@Coookie said in One Piece Live-Adaptation Drama Announced:
The question is whether Krieg and Gin retain their roles/purposes during Baratie or whether they're reduced to cameos at best.
Two outcomes I'm guessing?
or
It would be a miss to not have Gin somewhere, since Sanji feeding him is one of his defining character scenes.
here's some nostalgia
@Nami
Benn Beckman hadn't been announced either
I don't think Netflix can skip Benn Beckman
If they've casted Lucky Roux, I'm 99% sure they've casted Beckman.
@MetaMario said in One Piece Live-Adaptation Drama Announced:
here's some nostalgia
This is most excellent.
Imo Don Krieg is going to get fodderized by mihawk, Zoro fights him and then Arlong shows up
@Johnny-B-Decent said in One Piece Live-Adaptation Drama Announced:
If they've casted Lucky Roux, I'm 99% sure they've casted Beckman.
Yeah, if you got Lucky Roux and Yasopp it would be weird not to get the first mate in there too. I imagine not announcing the actor yet has more to do with some contractual crap/nda or so, Dragon was also only announced recently, after the all the shooting took place.
I don't have much hope for the rest of the Red Haired officers though, besides maybe some background extras kinda dressed like them.
But the casting announcements do have me wondering something.
We've seen no mention of Smoker and Tashigi, and from the few shots we've seen of Garp's ship chasing the Merry and him on Roger's execution, we're kinda assuming that Garp's role is expanded and that he's going to take the role of "Big Time Marine that keeps trying to capture/chase Luffy" but... this series is supervised by Oda, that man who's known for liking surprises and hiding stuff on purpose.
He hid Garp's face with a dog mask so that fans who had read Romance Dawn v2 one-shot wouldn't recognize him as Luffy's grandpa right away, and he used Garp on Romance Dawn v2 because he wanted to surprise fans with Shanks when OP and Romance Dawn v3 actually premiered on Jump.
I think there is a tiny possibility that Smoker is in the series but they've been hiding it because he played by a more recognizable face and they want to catch the audience by surprise.
@FatDogForMidTerms if we are being really honest here, manga as a medium is still relatively small (and I would even go as far as say niche) as compared to TV, especially western TV. Most of the people here, and I know this is generalization because it is meant to be, only touch the medium of manga for One piece and maybe a selected few top hitters. They might find the exceptional niche manga that they love but that's about it. Rarely does anyone else bother to dive deeper into the scene, there is a lot of really great manga series out there that just isn't talked about until they are 1) adapted into an anime AND made accessible to the general populace 2) runs in JUMP.
The western market and the countries that have been largely influenced by western culture, subculture and media make up a significant amount of the overall population. Avengers won't do so well otherwise, 9 out of 10 people you picked out from rural villages as a sample size will know who is Batman, Taylor Swift music is still playing on loop at malls all across Asia, you get my drift. The reach is insane because western media have that powerful reach. It is "normal" and anything such as manga, or let's say a literature piece that might as well be the greatest piece of work ever but is translated from a period in India history will be left unknown, untouched and uncared for simply because a) people can't access it for convenience and it is b) not normal and a more specific, narrow area you have to actually work to consume. People simply aren't as individualistic as they like to believe they are.
Books, as an industry, is another perfect example for this. There are comparatively more well-crafted stories, interesting worlds and character plots in novels but wanting to be able to consume that quality requires actual effort and time from the readers. Written works and picture books might have had mass appeal back then when entertainment was sparse before media took the world by storm but with so many alternatives, why bother? Manga has more general appeal than books because the effort required is lesser and even then people find that a hurdle.
And if we look at the One Piece animation, the dated animation and the sheer amount of episodes turn people off from getting into it in the first place. Sure, why not do One Piece Kai? But that's like two decades down the road and by then, the OP Wave might have died down. This is putting aside the obvious fact that even anime as an industry pales in comparison to TV and Film.
Accessibility always translates to more interest and in turn more money and that really is the name of the game. How many people genuinely cared about Harry Potter before the movies? Most people didn't even care about fantasy world settings before LOTR. And people discriminated against and alienated Anime and people who enjoyed them a little more than 10 years ago.
@zeltrax225 said in One Piece Live-Adaptation Drama Announced:
How many people genuinely cared about Harry Potter before the movies?
How old are you? They are the biggest books of all time and were a legitimate global phenomena before the first movie released. You knew about them whether you read them or not around 2000. I was told not to read them at my bible study by a 60-something older black woman.
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There are more "westerners" reading One Piece than Batman and the Avengers.
I've seen so many comments on costumes and wigs that my brain/eyes just don't seem to connect with. Now I admit I don't have good eyes for aesthetics, but everyone looks like their characters and everything looks fine to me. Newest trailer looks best so far to me, and while it opens up room for fun speculations for changes and stuff, I'd rather just sit back and wait right now.
@Marcotty said in One Piece Live-Adaptation Drama Announced:
I've seen so many comments on costumes and wigs that my brain/eyes just don't seem to connect with. Now I admit I don't have good eyes for aesthetics, but everyone looks like their characters and everything looks fine to me.
Most of them look perfectly fine. For example, I don't think I have seen people having a problem with Zoro. Granted, I have not looked around much. But it seems everybody has a slightly different tolerance for the weird uncanny valley of putting One Piece outfits into the "real" world.
Like, I personally have a hard time believing anyone would look at Luffy's vest and not see it as comically short. But I guess the entire production team didn't mind. 
@andre oh for sure it was big but nothing compared to when the movies hit. The sales for the first book was around 30ish million which was a huge number but the year after the movie? It shot up to around 100 million and this carried over to the other books too. The same goes for manga with a good anime adaptation. You get my point. It also led to a theme park and a franchise that rivaled Disney at one point. The books were big but not big to the point of being general knowledge.
@Kaiolino you are comparing apples to oranges. You obviously know the state of the western comic book industry and how much of a mess continuity is for superhero comics as compared to One Piece. Are there more westerners who have watched or read One Piece over the Avengers movies and the Batman movies?
@Greg said in One Piece Live-Adaptation Drama Announced:
Krieg was revealed in costume via their online campaign.
music
Was already revealed that teaser music was made specifically for the teaser and isn't part of the series.
Speculate what that means for the trailer as you will.
DAMMIT! I really liked the music.
Maybe they'll do a good version of the "Drunken Sailor" shanty.
@zeltrax225 said in One Piece Live-Adaptation Drama Announced:
The sales for the first book was around 30ish million which was a huge number but the year after the movie? It shot up to around 100 million and this carried over to the other books too.
2000 was the year that the sales started shooting up because the infrastructure for it had started to catch up to the demand. The movie releases always led to a nice sales spike, but the idea that people didn't care about Harry Potter before the movies is not correct. The books had already broke every record possible before the movie released.
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@andre And I am saying that the movies were the ones that pushed the franchise to have theme parks and an entire franchise conglomerate that the popularity of the books alone would not have made possible. Through the very medium of live action that One Piece is now taking an approach on. The jump from 90s to the year 2000 is still nothing compared to after the movie release. I get what you are saying, that the books were a big deal and I can correct my statement that yes people did care. But that is still relatively a lesser amount of people that cared compared to the numbers we are seeing today. I thought that context was clear. There's also people who cared about LOTR, about the Avengers comics, obviously Marvel had a huge fanbase. But none of those numbers came close to the ones today. So it's not literally no one cared but was obviously used contextually.
"Who is this live action for?"
Everyone that dismisses comic books and cartoons no matter what. Everyone here is already a convert, we know how good cartoons can be. But outside of anomolies like Frozen, animation just is NOT as wide stream as anything live action. Like the new Spiderverse movie has made like 600 million! Fantastic, huge improvement over the first!
The most recent live action Spider man almost 2 billion. Nearly 3 times as much. Even the lowest grossing live action Spidey, Amazing 2, made 800 mill.
Look at the top 200 highest grossing movies of all time. 26 of those movies are animated and they're almost all sequels. The other 174 slots are live action. (And in the top 50 its like, 7 films, none in the top ten.)
WE all know animation is great, we don't have to be convinced. But the general public its always just kids stuff and they'll never give it a chance.
If you want to reach a NEW audience, you need to do live action. Same with Last Airbender.
Yeah, it's near perfect in its animated form and live action won't improve it. But there's millions and millions of people that might be willng to watch it and get the same story we already love, that have ignored the animated one for 15 years... just because its animated and "for kids".
Just how it is.
Also, One Piece is currently a 1088 chapter, 102 volume, 1070 episode anime with 14 movies that's been running for 26 years and has AT LEAST 4 years to go if not another 10. . You can't convince anyone to start that at this point. I used to introduce friends to the series and I don't anymore, it's too much a commitment.
But an 8 episode mini-series? That will get to what most people consider THE high point hooking moment in that time? I might be able to finally convince some of my friends to give it a shot just so they finally understand where I've been coming from all this time.
The live action isn't for the pople who already know the property. They're along for the ride ANYWAY. Its for the people who would never have touched it otherwise.
"But it's already a best seller and perfect in its medium".
So was Lord of the Rings. So was Super Mario. Sometimes it doesn't matter if its already the most popular influential thing, it can still reach a new audience. And, as someone who has read LotR 4 different times in my life, about once a decade, and grew up on the animated versions... I love the movies way way more, for a wide variety of reasons.
This show looks awesome can’t wait
This looks so much better than the original trailer/teaser let on! Let's go!
@Robby said in One Piece Live-Adaptation Drama Announced:
"Who is this live action for?"
Everyone that dismisses comic books and cartoons no matter what. Everyone here is already a convert, we know how good cartoons can be. But outside of anomolies like Frozen, animation just is NOT as wide stream as anything live action. Like the new Spiderverse movie has made like 600 million! Fantastic, huge improvement over the first!
The most recent live action Spider man almost 2 billion. Nearly 3 times as much. Even the lowest grossing live action Spidey, Amazing 2, made 800 mill.
Look at the top 200 highest grossing movies of all time. 26 of those movies are animated and they're almost all sequels. The other 174 slots are live action. (And in the top 50 its like, 7 films, none in the top ten.)
WE all know animation is great, we don't have to be convinced. But the general public its always just kids stuff and they'll never give it a chance.
If you want to reach a NEW audience, you need to do live action. Same with Last Airbender.
Yeah, it's near perfect in its animated form and live action won't improve it. But there's millions and millions of people that might be willng to watch it and get the same story we already love, that have ignored the animated one for 15 years... just because its animated and "for kids".
Just how it is.
Also, One Piece is currently a 1088 chapter, 102 volume, 1070 episode anime with 14 movies that's been running for 26 years and has AT LEAST 4 years to go if not another 10. . You can't convince anyone to start that at this point. I used to introduce friends to the series and I don't anymore, it's too much a commitment.
But an 8 episode mini-series? That will get to what most people consider THE high point hooking moment in that time? I might be able to finally convince some of my friends to give it a shot just so they finally understand where I've been coming from all this time.
The live action isn't for the pople who already know the property. They're along for the ride ANYWAY. Its for the people who would never have touched it otherwise.
"But it's already a best seller and perfect in its medium".
So was Lord of the Rings. So was Super Mario. Sometimes it doesn't matter if its already the most popular influential thing, it can still reach a new audience. And, as someone who has read LotR 4 different times in my life, about once a decade, and grew up on the animated versions... I love the movies way way more, for a wide variety of reasons.
So, and I swear to God I'm not trying to be glib here, you made a good & thoughtful post, it's for the franchise to make more money?
Not the best adaptation ever but in context of what Netflix usually does, it looks surpisingly decent.
@FatDogForMidTerms said in One Piece Live-Adaptation Drama Announced:
So, and I swear to God I'm not trying to be glib here, you made a good & thoughtful post, it's for the franchise to make more money?
All art is about making money in the end, sure.
But Oda's got more money than he could ever spend, and already has the legacy of volume sales records wise, and he still slaves away at his chapters when he could have sped up and wrapped the story up years ago.
It's not about the money for him, its about the story and he wants to share it with as many people as possible..
@Robby said in One Piece Live-Adaptation Drama Announced:
@FatDogForMidTerms said in One Piece Live-Adaptation Drama Announced:
So, and I swear to God I'm not trying to be glib here, you made a good & thoughtful post, it's for the franchise to make more money?
All art is about making money in the end, sure.
But Oda's got more money than he could ever spend, and already has the legacy of volume sales records wise, and he still slaves away at his chapters when he could have sped up and wrapped the story up years ago.
It's not about the money for him, its about the story and he wants to share it with as many people as possible..
I really don't want to believe all is about making money in the end, that's kinda dark.
But I'm not naive either, of course huge franchises are there to make money to their creators. It's dumb to expect something like live action One Piece to be pure and made for just because the this story needed to be told lol
But why i'm bringing the age old and boring MONEY VS ART thing into this is that I would argue that this thing was made to make a franchice (OP) more profitable and that motive is a bummer.
Of course if I would like what I was seeing in the trailers I would probably sing a different tune.
If the masses do in fact fall in love with this show what they get is an inferior version. Which is a bit of an elitist take, i know.
@FatDogForMidTerms said in One Piece Live-Adaptation Drama Announced:
If the masses do in fact fall in love with this show what they get is an inferior version. Which is a bit of an elitist take, i know.
If the masses fall in love with it, they go "huh, I wonder what the original source material is like". and they look it up.
Happens with books ALL THE TIME when filmed adaptations come out. Wheel of Time, Foundation, and the Expanse all exploded their sales when their tv series came out... and some of those are decades old.
And in this case, there happens to be quite a lot they can plunge into.
But getting someone to try an 8 episode miniseries is way, way, way easier than saying "Hey, try this aniem out, you only need to get 40 episodes in before you know for sure if it's for you, and then there's another 1000 episodes after that."
One Piece is INTIMIDATING at this point, its scary to new people, even if they're introduced. Having a shorter, more aainstream version is a great way to show it off as long as the tie in isn't a soul-less cash grab... and all signs point to that not being the case here.
@Robby said in One Piece Live-Adaptation Drama Announced:
@FatDogForMidTerms said in One Piece Live-Adaptation Drama Announced:
If the masses do in fact fall in love with this show what they get is an inferior version. Which is a bit of an elitist take, i know.
If the masses fall in love with it, they go "huh, I wonder what the original source material is like". an d they look it up.
Happens with books ALL THE TIME when filmed adaptations come out.
Ehh, I'd like it more if they used that money to make new original stories and not ads for the comic. Oda and Shuesha aren't hurting for more money.
Edit:
And just to assure everyone what a huge hypocrite I am, when this thing comes out of course I'm going to check it out.
I think Oda is doing it for a legacy thing, that he wants One Piece to be as big as Harry Potter, Disney, or any of the more prominent media franchises. Yet the workload for him is incomparable to the others because he does like 90% of the heavy lifting for the franchise for a way more extended period of time. And while he owns owns One Piece, keep in mind that JUMP holds a fair share of that pie and to a certain extent Toei too. So if we are going to talk money then I am almost certain that other people involved would be more invested in the monetary rewards than he does.
If the live-action does succeed and the consistent quality remains for the subsequent seasons, this will definitely be bigger than him and the source material. And that might lead to something as big as GoT was, provided that showrunners don't drop the ball. And considering how much he enjoyed GoT and how he has been influenced by western media, influential figures, and other cultures, I do think that he would want to push One Piece to the very top. It's really more of how a media CAN become an entire culture kind of thing. I don't think it is as, for the lack of a better term, simple as reaching more people and generating more volume sales (although definitely a reason) but there's a bigger, more lofty vision involved.
For what it is worth, I do want the live action to succeed because personally I'll hate it if Oda gets disappointed for something he is so involved and has a dream for.
Makes sense, there's definitely some ambition there.
It would be wild (and weird) to see a niche comic that I started to read like 19 years ago to become the next huge cultural behemoth.
From what I've seen it doesn't seem likely but who knows
Just from watching the trailer, whoever is saying this is an unfaithful adaption is being completely dishonest.
@hideoushorrendous said in One Piece Live-Adaptation Drama Announced:
to be frank i can already smell the disappointment, the failure of following the source material just like in the Witcher series. Fuck Netflix.
The show isn't for you mate. You're best just sticking to the source material.
@dropper I thought we eradicated this kind of discourse. Let people rant and vent their frustrations.
It looks like it's going to be fun at least, best not to expect too much.
Don't like Roger's appearance, or the way he delivers the speech. Don't like how Arlong looks, but mostly because I feel he should be more buff. God knows that wide angle close ups don't make his shoulders any wider, lol.
But yeah, think it will be fun, and if we even get that much, we can all feel blessed.
@Robby said in One Piece Live-Adaptation Drama Announced:
"Who is this live action for?"
Everyone that dismisses comic books and cartoons no matter what. Everyone here is already a convert, we know how good cartoons can be. But outside of anomolies like Frozen, animation just is NOT as wide stream as anything live action. Like the new Spiderverse movie has made like 600 million! Fantastic, huge improvement over the first!
The most recent live action Spider man almost 2 billion. Nearly 3 times as much. Even the lowest grossing live action Spidey, Amazing 2, made 800 mill.
Look at the top 200 highest grossing movies of all time. 26 of those movies are animated and they're almost all sequels. The other 174 slots are live action. (And in the top 50 its like, 7 films, none in the top ten.)
WE all know animation is great, we don't have to be convinced. But the general public its always just kids stuff and they'll never give it a chance.
If you want to reach a NEW audience, you need to do live action. Same with Last Airbender.
Yeah, it's near perfect in its animated form and live action won't improve it. But there's millions and millions of people that might be willng to watch it and get the same story we already love, that have ignored the animated one for 15 years... just because its animated and "for kids".
Not to mention that there is also a subset of people who may even be fine with watching cartoons but never got into anime, for whatever reasons. I know plenty of people, especially in my age group (i. e. late twenties, early thirties) who just aren't interested in manga and anime, it's just completely foreign to them. Meanwhile, the same people would definitely watch this trailer and then get interested in the show, as it's not too different from mixing a series about pirates with superhero-stuff, which are both super popular with most people.
That's why I also get slightly annoyed by people who complain the trailer felt too much like Pirates of the Caribbean or the humor to MCU-ish. Guys, these are mega popular huge franchises, it's a good thing if the trailer manages to get fans of these franchises interested in checking out One Piece. Doesn't mean that they should turn the LA series into a cheap carbon copy of those IPs, but it doesn't hurt if the show has some aspects (like the music, for example) that feel a little reminiscent in parts.
Pirate music is, well, sailor music. Music of ships in the sea. It might just have a harder edge since it's not ships just for fishing/whaling or merchants.
Johnathan Young has like the best Heavy Metal shanties:
@Satsuki Let's not forget Running Wild, either:
@MetaMario I'm pretty sure Krige's role has been reduced since Oda skipped him in the colored spread and then Arlong shows up in Baratie.
I think it was too expensive for them to create an accurate Don Krige, the man is a walking arsenal with a unique gear full of versatile advanced weaponry,
The versatility of arms Krige had was impressively vast and i see it being costy that's why they reduced him and brought Arlong instead
I'm ready to bet that his fight against Luffy will be shortened and half his weapons will be removed.
Mihawk withdraws and retreats after Krieg confronts him in a gutsy way, yeah that scene is 100% deleted. unless they fooled me.
I can't believe they cutt out hatchan
@hideoushorrendous Krieg IS in that spread, he's just mostly covered by Sanji.
EDIT: okay now people are saying morgan so ???
although I definitely agree they'd have to shave off some of his weapons (maybe just pistols, the gas bombs, and the net to trap Luffy??)
22 year old Barto at Luffy's execution would be fun, if Logue Town arc is in this.
They could totally include him as an easter egg. Whether we get him is another question.
I felt the trailer was perfect i didn't cringe and everything flowed can't wait to see how it all plays out, I wonder if they're gonna save Smoker for season 2
If there is a season two, I wonder how they will portray Dorry and Brogy?
@Satsuki said in One Piece Live-Adaptation Drama Announced:
They could totally include him as an easter egg. Whether we get him is another question.
I'm kinda confident in plenty of easter eggs, judging by both the wanted posters we saw on the trailer and other little details like Dragon with his green cape watching Roger's execution.
Like, I'm not expecting to get the same level of cameos at Roger's execution as we got in Chapter 0, but seeing someone in the crowd with Doffy's feather jacket and Mihawk too, since he does appear on the first season.
I'm also hopping they set up Bink's Sake right from the start and we see Shank's crew singing it, or part of it, as a chanty or something.
I think the guy playing Dragon isn't a long-term cast based on the trailer. All you need is a silhouetted face and someone to fit in the cloak AT MOST. If he wasn't added until reshoots then it would make sense to just find a model that fits the mold and film them. Just a baseless guess, of course.
The trailer shows us a glimpse of Dragon because they re promoting the show to both existing fans and new audiences.
They were never going to show much of a character that will only appear on the final episode of the season on the promotional material.
They announced Dragon s actor a couple weeks ago. And we know nothing about what kind of re shoots took place.
No reason to think Dragon s actor is just a fill in when Dragon actually talks and holds a small conversation at Loguetown.
@Sun-D Are we sure they did? I know we didn't see him in the trailer and I was wondering if they did too, but it would be a bold choice to make since he's the only Arlong pirate who becomes very important later.
I'm also curious about Smoker too. They haven't hinted at his appearance or announced any actor that we know of
Setting aside the question of whether or not there will be more seasons, the fact remains that Hatchi would be the most CGI intensive fishman by quite a bit unless you modify his design by a lot. Better to reduce his role and hey, if this gets another season, you can always give his later story to a different Arlong pirate that needs less CGI.
@Bugs Maybe they could change Hatchi from being an octopus to something else? Or just have him with only two arms.
That's what I mean by "unless you modify his design by a lot." Of course reducing his arm count kind of defeats the point of his fight with Zoro. I be a would sad if Hatchi story was cut because hey, he's really the only former bad guy that's earned his redemption, but that's a way to go and it wouldn't be terrible if Chew got that story instead.
@Bugs I mean, yeah, I get what you mean about the fight, but well, it wasn't even Zoro's toughest fight in the first part of the series, so I think it can be forgiven.
Johnny and Yosaku are nowhere to be seen in the trailer.
If they’re not in the show then Zoro won’t get his two swords from them in Arlong Park to fight Hachi.
Hachi is nowhere to be seen in the trailer also.
I hope this doesn’t mean Hachi will get cut and that Zoro doesn’t fight anyone in Arlong Park. Would be a bummer if his last 1v1 in the season is against Mihawk where he loses. As great as the dramatic moment and what it adds to Zoro as a character that fight is, even when it ends in his defeat, I think it is preferable to have his last dedicated fight in the season to end in triumph.
