I think the 17 year old thread is the best possible outcome.
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RE: Naruto Thread XII: This really has to be the final Naruto thread, right?
FOURTEEN YEARS AGO this forum did a thing to close out Naruto thread 7. That thread is apparently mallwared at the moment so I can't click on it, and a lot of the images have fallen away due to the death of photobucket and imageshack... but we as a community got together to create a song, taking turns one line at a time to pick an appropriate image to a lyric to hit the final words on the last post of the thread.
And then I made an AMV throwing together all those into a video and stoile footage from some existing videos to make this overnight.
Most of the people that were here then aren't here anymore, but those were the days.
I've always associated this song with this place since, any time, any place I hear it, I think of Arlong Park.
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RE: Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !
The big difference with Jimbro is that he had multiple arcs (Impel, War, Fishman, WCI) and cover story before joining. It took him a damn decade but he had exposure along the way, and there was still TIME in the series .
Anyone that's still left there's just... no more time if Oda is to be believed at all about his timetable. (Yeah, he's not going to make it in three years and we all know that but...) Anyone not travelling with the crew right now isn't getting the bonding or the antics or the color spreads or the real life giant bronze statue... whatever their official classification they're just going to be one of dozens of old recurring characters returning for the final war.
The surprise twist (off camera) turn just doesn't sit well with me. It's absolutely Oda's job to surprise and go directions we don't expect... and I'm even okay with Yamato deciding to stay after all that in concept... but the actual execution was really really botched. That major character shift was NOT a moment that should have been off camera.
This is the first time I feel kinda straight up lied to rather than carefully misled.
Combine this with the clumsiness of the Gear 5 Nika exposition dump, and how much Oda whiffed the Kaidou finale... it's just been a really awkward dozen chapters.
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RE: Season 1 General Discussion
OPLA reactions by non-One Piece fans are SO entertaining.
I love seeing people fall in love with the world of One Piece. And so many times already "Luffy has POWERS?"
Also, it made me way more appreciate and understand the purpose of the Garp storyline. Yeah its weird for us vets to get all that so early, but it grounded the world and allowed for a lot of exposition, and a big plot twist cliffhanger 4 episodes in.
Also the reactions to the snails.
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RE: Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !
@Shiebs said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:
Greg is Oda alright?
I just saw this
His idol and friend just died. Maybe that's got him thinking and he's taking a week off to do a final chapter now just in case. There's also live action, new anime, and probably an upcoming movie to deal with. And the man is almost 50, doing weekly comics is a game for folks in their 20's. And he's plotting out the big finale for his 30 year series. ANd he's got a family. And...
There's a million reasons for the man to be taking longer breaks, there's no reason to worry unless there's a reason given to worry.
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RE: Chapter 1088: Final Lesson
When Oda kills a character, especially a main one, he makes you feel it and know.
Outside of maybe Pedro, who I still don't believe, it's usually obvious.
Garp is fine.
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RE: One Piece Live-Adaptation Drama Announced
@andre said in One Piece Live-Adaptation Drama Announced:
I think they're going to lose people every day as out of context images leak until they put out a trailer. I really don't get the Netflix strategy of waiting just a few months before a show comes out to release a trailer.
Because Netflix has 78 bazillion shows and they can't show love to any of them as a result.
They really need to drop their method of dropping whole seasons at once and go to weekly for new projects. Give it time for people to pick up on it and develop watercooler conversation. Have a show be a topic for 2 months instead of two days. And then they won't have to cram out so many shows.
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RE: Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World)
So... two years of this nonsense.
Everyone was right.
And everyone was wrong.
And everyone is disappointed.What the hell was that, Oda?
Already gone on at length about... that... in the spoiler thread and the discord so I won't repeat myself.
I'm not against Yaamto sticking around Wano, that makes some sense, but give more than a one panel mention of an off-camera discussion with Luffy if you're going to have a major swerve like that. Carrot's farewell was equally a non-thing with no follow up (Unless she shows up stowing away next chapter.)
Also I guess I should apologize to any Hancock/Perona/Rebecca/Carrot/etc supporters I might have been rude or dismissive to over the years, regardless of what happens next. If I was mean or rude or an awful person, I wasn't insulting you, I was insulting your stupid full of holes theory.
And now it was my stupid full of holes theory too.
Whatever your feelings on Yamato, that was EXTREMELY sloppy and rushed. Is this a film red thing? A last minute decision to cut one more person to speed things along? Just always a red herring to make a Wano character fans actually liked? Any way you slice it that was handled badly.
If Oda's THAT willing to change course just a chapter after the characters make it clear they're doing one thing, and they change their mind the next... there's no point in debating this stuff or trying to prove anything or debunk or argue if Oda is willing to completely throw things to the wind on a whim. So i think, barring Carrot stowing away next chapter, or responded to people mentioning this exact post....
This is going to be the last time I post in this thread. Because while this has always been a dumb pointless thread... now really what's the point?
So long Nakama thread. You were a waste of everyone's time.
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RE: Chapter 1121: The Upheaval of the Era
It's always been pretty clear to me that Baratie is the arc where Oda got comfortable and knew the series was going to be a long runner. The previous arcs all had REALLY SHORT flashbacks of just a few pages, while Sanji's is full blown multiple chapters and really nails it. The world is expanded immensely with the intro of Mihawk, (and ZOro's long term goal tangibly introduced at the same time) and the fight with Krieg goes on for a while.
Arlong Park is the arc most people feel it really hit on all cylinders, and that's true... but Baratie is definitely the point it started breaking out of the five year plan that would have had the entire crew assembled within a year or two. If Oda hadn't started getting comfortable in Baratie, Arlong wouldn't have been as epic and as many chapters as it was.
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RE: One Piece Live-Adaptation Drama Announced
"Who is this live action for?"
Everyone that dismisses comic books and cartoons no matter what. Everyone here is already a convert, we know how good cartoons can be. But outside of anomolies like Frozen, animation just is NOT as wide stream as anything live action. Like the new Spiderverse movie has made like 600 million! Fantastic, huge improvement over the first!
The most recent live action Spider man almost 2 billion. Nearly 3 times as much. Even the lowest grossing live action Spidey, Amazing 2, made 800 mill.
Look at the top 200 highest grossing movies of all time. 26 of those movies are animated and they're almost all sequels. The other 174 slots are live action. (And in the top 50 its like, 7 films, none in the top ten.)
WE all know animation is great, we don't have to be convinced. But the general public its always just kids stuff and they'll never give it a chance.
If you want to reach a NEW audience, you need to do live action. Same with Last Airbender.
Yeah, it's near perfect in its animated form and live action won't improve it. But there's millions and millions of people that might be willng to watch it and get the same story we already love, that have ignored the animated one for 15 years... just because its animated and "for kids".
Just how it is.
Also, One Piece is currently a 1088 chapter, 102 volume, 1070 episode anime with 14 movies that's been running for 26 years and has AT LEAST 4 years to go if not another 10. . You can't convince anyone to start that at this point. I used to introduce friends to the series and I don't anymore, it's too much a commitment.
But an 8 episode mini-series? That will get to what most people consider THE high point hooking moment in that time? I might be able to finally convince some of my friends to give it a shot just so they finally understand where I've been coming from all this time.
The live action isn't for the pople who already know the property. They're along for the ride ANYWAY. Its for the people who would never have touched it otherwise.
"But it's already a best seller and perfect in its medium".
So was Lord of the Rings. So was Super Mario. Sometimes it doesn't matter if its already the most popular influential thing, it can still reach a new audience. And, as someone who has read LotR 4 different times in my life, about once a decade, and grew up on the animated versions... I love the movies way way more, for a wide variety of reasons.
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RE: Dandadan
The scene royally skeeved out my wife, and made me personally uncomfortable, which is the only barometer I need for this sort of thing.
If not for everyone's assurances that it's the ONLY time the series does anything like that, we probably would have dropped it. We'd be missing out and we're both digging it now. But you don't generally start a series with a near-rape if you're not going to escalate from there, so there's plenty of reason to be offput and concerned, and it's a REALLY bad starting impression.
I'm never pro-censorship, but I am pro adjusting things with hindsight. It might have in fact been a good idea to change that up just a bit in some way, Take out the phallus, or give her a little more control, take away the fact that they're giving her mental roofies, keep her dressed initially and then lose her clothes in combat or when her powers trigger instead of when she's just helpless. Any one of those minor tweaks could have helped without really changing anything. Make it like 20% less assault-ey in some way.
Especially if the author changed their style immediately after and that's NOT the ongoing tone or style of the series.
Just because you're not personally offended or bothered by it doesn't mean it's not offensive.
I can bring up extreme examples of the Berserk eclipse, or Ranma's nipples in the new remake as two extremes in different directions. Sometimes something is supposed to hurt and you can't censor or change it without losing something important. But sometimes it's just a throwaway nothing, and nothing is fundamentally hurt of changed by doing a tweak to let it appeal to a bigger audience.
You can't really censor Berserk and have it work on the level it does, it HAS to be brutal and heartbreaking and horrific and wrong. But censoring Ranma a little doesn't really change anything because it was never a porno and barely visible pink dots don't make or break the series, and it's all silly fun.... and the nudity tones way way down later on anyway.
Context and theme and overall series tone matter a lot when making decisions on the sort of things you should or shouldn't change for an adaptation.
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RE: Dandadan
@zeltrax225 said in Dandadan:
Dude, why didn't anyone bring up the fact that the old granny is eating up cock and balls? That should warrant a discussion if we are going that route, aren't we?
When I asked if the entire series was that rapey. I was in fact talking about both encounters. But since it's come up and been discussed more since then...
Ken's situation happens off camera, is implied to be through magic, and not rape or surgical mutilation. It can be undone with no long term harm to him. He still even has all his clothes on afterward and we don't really know what's happened to him.
Meanwhile, Momo has all her clothes stripped off, the aliens talk explicitly about reproducing with her, that her virginity is going to be taken,she is forcibly held down, has her head drugged to force her to be aroused, and then this happens.
The situations are not treated the same. One is a magical monster attack, (that she's going to take his balls is yikes, but it could just as easily have been his liver or something for how it's treated). The otheris prolonged attempted rape. They're both assault and violations, but that ARE treated different.
Even outside of how this series handled it, it's just naturally treated different historically and in fiction. Men are bigger and stronger and can force themselves more easily, and it is almost always a man forcing it. (Yes it can go the other way but statistically less common.) Doubled up with the fact that women can have permanent consequences from it while men just get their couple minutes of action with no long term loss to them, and it means that yes, assault IS unbalanced and its generally much worse towards women.
There's exceptions and nuance there, but that's generally the case.
In Futurama there's famously an episode where a bunch of amazons take the men captive and are going to forcibly Snu Snu them. It's treated as a joke because the guys are all for it, even if it IS going to crush their pelvises and kill them. But it's still a joke because they're okay with it. Reverse that with a bunch of men forcing themselves on to women and, no matter how receptive they act, it quickly becomes horrifying. It's a violation either way, but society treats the two differently, and there's a reason for it.
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RE: Dandadan
Fourth episode was pretty rad. Great color choices, mood setting, and music score (they used a particular classical piece that I was NOT expecting that worked amazingly) and it's knocking it out of the park.
The characters are fun and I like their interactions, they;ve had mega chemistry from the getgo and that's working pretty well. The afterparty was nice and the "was that goodbye or, goodbye" was pretty touching.
I think I'm in for the long haul on this one.
Blue Box on the other hand has yet to impress me.
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RE: Blue Box (Ao no Hako)
Watched the first four episodes, after hearing many many places that this is one of the best romantic stories we've seen in a while. Anyone that's read the manga, how true does that hold? So far it's okay but it's not really grabbing me.
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RE: Ranma 1/2 (2024 revival)
New one is solid, but it is the exact same story and exact same jokes. I haven't watched the original in literally decades and I don't intend to, so I can't make a direct comparison, but I don't feel like anything is missing or worse... particularly since the entire Japanese VA cast came back.
The action is way better and the animation and backgrounds are naturally better overall since animation has come a long way over the decades. Music isn't quite as good. We haven't even gotten to Ryoga yet so there's not much to judge.
The real tell will be after we get past the first season because that's when the original anime's budget dropped and fell off a cliff. The first 18 or so episodes were all pretty good in the old one and then it was mostly only okay because we didn't know any better.
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RE: Disney animation thread
30 years ago today Gargoyles premiered on television, arguably the greatest American animated tv series, and certainly my personal favorite.
Dark, funny, romantic, adventurous, Shakespearean, world hopping, educational, well-acted and animated with a great soundtrack, it's one of a kind. I've made lifelong friends from this series, written fanfic, gone to the convention, and even worked on the actual authorized comic book with the creator!
I actually didn't realize that today was the anniversary until the last minute (since the series premiered on a monday) so this pic is a little rushed, but I had to do something! Timedance Brooklyn, and his mate Katana, who I designed!
It's been far, far too long since I last watched the show... I think I'm due for a rewatch!
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RE: Think elbaf
I feel like you're completely misunderstanding the point being made and I don't know how to clarify it.
It's not about recognition, or which adventures have been missed, because obviously the later members will always have missed some earlier milestone. (Otherwise Zoro missed out on Gaimon's Island but Usopp didn't, but only in the anime.)
Everyone accepts that Brook, Jinbei, and yes Vivi, are part of the crew.
The problem is we haven't seen them DO anything with the crew. Yamato only spent 2? chapters with them, (when he could have been interacting with them the entire battle) and Vivi's never even met half of them. We haven't spent time with them, we haven't seen them having downtime with the crew or their gimmicks or power sets playing off one another. We haven't seen them eating together or playing jokes or doing laundry or working on the ship or making art projects or doing battle team ups, and that's the stuff that was super endearing about the crew originally that Oda's largely sidelined since the timeskip.
And the longer they're separated, the less time we have.
(To say nothing of the fact that a huge huge chunk of Brook's backstory is still missing 17 years later! And we still don't know where Jinbe got his unique lighting scar or when and why he mellowed out.)
If someone joins the crew, and we never see anything from it, what does it matter? There's an entire strawhat fleet that any side character we want can be included in, and will likely cause them to show up in the final battle. We don't care about their official designation in the wiki, we want more of the character, with the other characters.
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RE: Dragonball Discussion Kai: Broly but this time it's not Broly
For all that GT is very, very clearly not canon anymore, and most of the movies never were, (especially the original DB movies with kid Goku that were all clearly a separate thing) they're still going out of their way to not overlap it and officially obliterate it. Timeline absolutely refuses to move past where the manga ended no matter how much that cramps things more and more with unseen adventures and powerups.
So at this point you just have to run with inconsistencies being part of it.
Things got a little weird when you get to Kalifa and Broly because those are just outright over-riding the older movies.
At some point they're either going to have to actually re-animate the series from scratch, or actually move forward a little and age up the kids because they're really running out of space to play in.
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RE: Think elbaf
@electricmastro said in Think elbaf:
So can we assume Vivi won’t come back until Laugh take then?
Well that's pretty set in stone now, isn't it? She's clearly not going to show up in Elbaf since they need time to decipher the message.
So, barring any more surprise islands or maybe a "meet the revolutionaries interlude"...
At best they'll meet up right before Laugh Tale, but "during the mess of the final war" seems more likely, however that craziness shakes out.
So basically, what I’m saying is, if people are allowed
To hold out on the hope of Vivi reuniting for further Straw Hat adventures, then others can be allowed to do the same for Yamato. One cannot criticize the circumstances of one without criticizing the other even if both have some differences, as both got left behind by Luffy at the end of the day, and knowing Oda, he’s for sure not done with them.
"More adventures" doesn't mean squat if we the audience don't get to see them and they're just big war stuff and post-series epilogue with a dozen other characters.
We want time to see the bonding and jokes and interacting with the entire crew, Get that official number, appear in all future color spreads, merchandise, movies and spinoffs, and a bronze statue set up in a park in Japan somewhere.
Every arc they don't rejoin is another year we don't get to spend with them. And as far into the endgame as we are, there aren't a lot left.
Even Jinbe barely feels like a real crew member since he just joined for the faighto-faighto portion of Wano and didn't do a whole lot during Egghead. He had some time to interact during the big mom arc but I don't think he's really had alone time with anyone in the crew except sort of with Zoro while dealing with Lucchi?
The difference with Vivi is she's had 24 years in the background reminding us she exists. We've gotten time with her even if not fully with the crew.
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RE: It's the TeamFourStar Thread with DBZ Abridged and Pokemon things
This is NOT T4S, but another group (or I guess just one guy and a couple extra VAs to do the female parts) has taken up abridging Super. Usually the imitators are pretty terrible, but this one is actually pretty decent. I really like their Goten, for all that he's going to have no role in the future, and their Beerus is pretty spot on.
THey also "abridged" the Broly movie but as its nearly as long as the actual film I'm not sure the term really applies.