I just don't see Vivi as a possible crewmate. It's like calling a sibling you share blood with, "half brother/sister".

She went through multiple arcs with them and they view just her, not some collective, a nakama. She is clearly a SH.

@Kaiolino This

@Deicide From what i've seen, I see the Science and Underworld aspects almost being in concert.

There's Caesar's inventions and works being shopped around. The services and man power that comes from Germa's science.

I think the crew had to deal with those like the Beast Pirates first before possibly going against some Underworld entities and Royals that use these advancements and services.

Look at Momo's fruit helping him last for some seconds against an Admiral, Jack using Koro, Queen using Ice Oni or Mummy.

Feels like Oda has been giving away small doses before unloading the whole thing.

There's Garp's interpretation of how more powerful Royals use smaller nations to fight their battles as well as the mystery behind the iron ore Dragon mentioned. Not to mention a few missing from the Underworld silhouette as Jinbe spoke.

This will pull Usopp, Franky, and Chopper's importance a little higher than it already is. Sanji to another extent due to being a science project himself.

I am aware that some are sold on Oda's message that this is it. I'm just not buying the same exact message. I think we're clearly close to the end. Just not as close as most might believe.

The crew is just not ready. To add on to all of that, they don't only have to reach Laugh Tale, they have to do something after that tops whatever the Roger Pirates couldn't do.

Then there's the fact that post the fall of BM and Kaido, so many newer entities are getting more of a role and older characters are being repurposed like Cross Guild, while SSG is taking it's place.

Wouldn't put Paulie or Gaimon in the same category. Whether there was a vocal sentiment from the character or Luffy wanting them, that differs from fans that are building a case or preferring that character joining.

I don't remember Luffy wanting Rebecca, Kyros, or Paulie. Same as anyone of them being vocal about going on a journey or something up that alley. They were mostly about their group and/or home.

Gaimon got an actual invite. That puts him up there with Momo, Yamato, and Kin.

Imagine surviving death just to hear Koby was kidnapped. I would quit the Marines for real. The WG couldn't send help, but Cipher Pol can come around messing with me. They knew I was on the WG's side and still thought I should die. I had to fight Pacifista in Sabaody. Is this SWORD gig worth it? Not to mention there's bounties on Marines now and big mouth Apoo know i'm a Marine.

Are Mythical Zoan users the only Zoans that can utilize their DF abilities w/o transforming their body. Kaido lifted Onigashima while in his base form (997). Orochi head was chopped in base form (985). Luffy is always rubber (87).

To me, this might be a basis that Luffy was always a Mythical Zoan user if true. For that, it shifts to Paramecia. Are there Paramecia that don't really require some trigger? Brook had to die. Maybe Bellamy, but I haven't seen it tested out enough on his part. Maybe i'm missing a Paramecia. Please help.

@Deicide Thanks, I initially discounted Buggy because he can't control the body part at a certain distance, but the part being away from his body in the 1st place makes that irrelevant anyway.

@danie I will be honest, barrelgate has entertained me. Less than traitorgate, but more than Nami face.

There was Caribou talk throughout the arc, but mostly from me thinking there can possibly be some hate/love relationship with him and Kid. It went no where.

This can possibly be a way to reunite Caribou with his brother and Gaburu's grandmother. Would be some wholesome content.

What i'm looking forward to in this arc is what some have already pondered. Not only can "science" cancel out Haki and DF, but also is there a science to DF and Haki? Well, of course there is, but is there an even more thought out way of viewing them than already explained.

For example, something i've thought about concerning Poneglyphs had escaped me for a while. Then, Oda had Tamago hit me with "there's 30 Poneglyphs" and i'm like oh wow I forgot that was something I cared for at some point.

I never really invested in the Oda quote about VP revealing things concerning DFs. Since the Koby conversation i've been sold on meeting him and exploring his findings. Lineage factor, who was in MADS, why is tampering with behavior common among some of MADS work, motivations and origins.

Reminds me of my Red Hair Pirates thread on a certain deceased forum. BB Pirates = rare DF, Beast Pirates = zoans, BM Pirates = food theme, so what might Shanks crew be themed with? I thought they would be a non DF crew with interesting weapons and abilities. I remember some brought up bio-feedback for Lucky and sea stone bullets.

There was this 1 user that stated that DF were the end all be all.

Many disagreed with him and went back and forth. I always think of that thread when some get worked up over "special Haki" and "Nika Fruit". Even if Franky and Nami never come across Haki or DF in the future, I see them as formidable. Zeus-tact being a product of DF possibilities is a cool mixture. Sanji combining science with Haki was cool to watch too.

As tough as Zoro is, there is a limit to his speed and breathing underwater. Or even dealing with Sea Stone for anyone. I really liked when Robin used FM Karate. Kinda unfair to go against Haki and DF with a blanket term like science to cover everything from natural abilities like Electro, FM jujutsu/karate, ignite to cyborgs, plant life, etc but idc. You can't spend forever on top. Science will prevail.

Gryphon, formerly named "kanabo- sama" by me - Hassaikai, the Homies, Murakumogiri, Muggy balls, and Nika man is too lame to have a weapon. I want to know the name of Teach's weapon. I hope Oda didn't get rid of them because he has 2 DF. Those claws look like they can be vicious in battle.

The Stark Wars story is one of the first arcs I tried out as far as Marvel is concerned. To add to all that, Cheadle to me, was the most equipped performer to lead a series after Black Monday and House of Lies. For them to format it as a film says that they are obviously invested in a theatrical franchise as opposed to series.

Most of the series are 4 hours and some change and might not get a sequel season. They are purposely left open to service the films that are prioritized. The films are slowly conditioning the audience for 3 hour films. So, 3 films of Rhodey over 4-6 years would be about 6 hours as opposed to getting a 4 hour series and possibly not getting a 2nd season.

It's extremely difficult to deliver a Disney+ series the following year. Example with Loki not getting a season 2 til 2023 and it's the only live action 1 with that treatment. It's showrunner had to deal with MoM and now both head writer and directors are being replaced by in house creatives.

WV is perfect as a segue to MoM for Wanda and Agatha gets the CoC series. Many of the series don't have clearly defined functions after completing like that.

The one i've been wanting to watch the most got flipped into a film

Marvel Shakes Up ‘Armor Wars’: Don Cheadle Series Now Being Developed As a Movie

source - https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/marvels-iron-wars-to-be-movie-don-cheadle-1235230012/

Director Angel Manuel Soto on the fate of Blue Beetle
"I'm not going to lie. There was concern, anger, fear at first. They told me not to worry, the film has their full support."

https://www.npr.org/2022/09/27/1124084114/latino-superheroes-are-saving-the-day-in-hollywood

@Deicide Yeah, he could fit anything. To entertain the meme, I would say Yamato would be in there, but he has already stated his place is in Wano.

If Carrot is around somewhere, this doesn't seem like the place to mess around. Vegapunk's experiments are out here slicing up Amazon Lily and almost swallowing up Yonko crews.

Actually this adds to her case, now that I think about it. Totland and Egghead are fully enemy territory. Her fate would end up like that.

I can't tell whether Caribou is inside the barrel or not. Unlike traitorgate and barrelgate, I have yet to see Carrot being in Caribou travel outside of this forum. The other 2 had more fans having fun or taking it seriously. Probably because it's more unique due to being able to hide people. I'd have to go back, but I think he took in Raizo and attempted with Shirahoshi.

I thought spirits would talk him out of it. I like that it was Mirio. He threw a tantrum and the chapter ended. This feels shorter than those final Bleach chapters.

I'd prefer if they switch to the other situations within the next 2 chapters.

@King-Cannon I disagree. Vivi is already a SH.

As far as Carrot, I don't see that as over. I'm aware of some setting up deadlines, then changing back and forth over Yamato.

First it was said and done while he fought Kaido, then when he didn't join, that whole deadline blew up.

I will not be taking recommendations from that choice of logic. Will just stick to my own.