I've gone around a bit and see some have interpret the desire/wish as only - "I wish to be string".
I don't think the possible desire/wish is limited to that. I think "I wish there was infinite string" or something like that can work too.
I've gone around a bit and see some have interpret the desire/wish as only - "I wish to be string".
I don't think the possible desire/wish is limited to that. I think "I wish there was infinite string" or something like that can work too.
Yeah, i don't think anyone ever thought: "I wish i could turn into a jacket".
More like: "I wish i could fuse/take control of someone else's body". That simply took on the shape of turning into a jacket because One Piece.
My interpretation of DFs is this.
Humans "desire" certain powers, and thus the scientists of that era try to bring them to fruition. It's less magic, and still more science.
@danie Man, just imagine the backstory of this power. A mother or father, unable to provide enough warmth for their children, developing the deep desire to be able to keep them warm.
Now I want to see DF backstories...
@Darkestsith6 said in Chapter 1069: All Things Are Brought Into This World With Hope:
My interpretation of DFs is this.
Humans "desire" certain powers, and thus the scientists of that era try to bring them to fruition. It's less magic, and still more science.
Exactly! Finally someone said it…
It’s the same as every other dream… everybody fights for their dreams they do their best to achieve it. Vegapunk’s dream to create unlimited energy is no different, he does everything he can to find a way.
@Zhenja said in Chapter 1069: All Things Are Brought Into This World With Hope:
@Darkestsith6 said in Chapter 1069: All Things Are Brought Into This World With Hope:
My interpretation of DFs is this.
Humans "desire" certain powers, and thus the scientists of that era try to bring them to fruition. It's less magic, and still more science.
Exactly! Finally someone said it…
It’s the same as every other dream… everybody fights for their dreams they do their best to achieve it. Vegapunk’s dream to create unlimited energy is no different, he does everything he can to find a way.
That doesn't explain why Devil Fruit abilities are unique (well, "unique" *looks at Kilo Kilo/Ton Ton and Snow Snow/Ice Ice*) or why you can't have multiple ones though. Whatever science-y part is included, Vegapunk managed to replicate invisibility and warping for himself, so purely from the science perspective one person can have multiple powers and the same power can exist several times at any given time, yet Devil Fruits don't seem to follow the same rules.
So none wished for some water ( logia/paramecia) not even the guys from alabasta?
@zorosempai Mother Nature would never agree with that.
Water is kind of an asshole. We need to drink it everyday in order to survive like we are hostages.
Save us Nika.
@King-Cannon said in Chapter 1069: All Things Are Brought Into This World With Hope:
@zorosempai Mother Nature would never agree with that.
Water is kind of an asshole. We need to drink it everyday in order to survive like we are hostages.
Save us Nika.
I know you're joking but still:
I wouldn't count out a Water logia
@zorosempai said in Chapter 1069: All Things Are Brought Into This World With Hope:
So none wished for some water ( logia/paramecia) not even the guys from alabasta?
Imu / Umi
Would be cool if Rob Lucci actually died in this arc.
Kizaru has more than enough reason. It could be his Garp moment with no Sengoku/Akainu to hold him back.
The KKL movement starts now!
they desire it and thus it's brought to their world
question is who grant all these wishes ?
the one truly responsible is the generator behind this unnatural power not the plebs who beg for such abilities.
in other words, the source of the DF shouldn't be human beings, it's just a stupid answer like woah it came outta nowhere just for our sake yay
i'm glad it's stated as theory because i hope it's not it or at least incomplete.
The question is what Oda is going for here and is he gonna Bobbin’d Luffy?.
What is he gonna do with Luffy really?.
Is he gonna nerfed him now, make him look stronger later, is it gonna be a stupid unbalanced portrayal of strength and capabilities situation from situation?
@Robby Go back a few years and I would have agreed wholeheartedly about Imu coming too late, but these days I'm pretty used his presence in my perception of the series. A shadowy string-puller at the top of the World Government fits easily into the worldbuilding and is a classic trope and it's become totally natural to keep him in mind when considering the WG. It's not like he's shown up and dominated the story overnight. He's actually had the time a shadow villain needs to build that sense of mystery. Despite only appearing in volume 90 he's been left to sit in the background long enough that I was actually anticipating and hoping for the Imu reaction by the end of Wano, not dreading the return of some Poochy villain. Having nearly five years and 2,800 pages (and counting) to settle in is good for that.
I'll have things to say if he ends up being the final final boss instead of Blackbeard, but as just a factor in the World Government's end battle, I'm pretty cool with him.
Sticking the landing is important. Journey before destination and all that, but you still want a good destination. I don't know that Naruto and Bleach are the best comparisons though. Those were series with not just bad endings but bad whole second halves. Depending on where exactly you think each series peaks, it could be barely more than a third of their actual runtime (I think Naruto started getting hit and miss after the Chunin Exams and could never get into Bleach to begin with). Of course you wouldn't want to go back to that. You can talk about Game of Thrones for a series completely wiped off the map by its ending, but even that had seen declining reception from hardcore fans and book purists since around season 5.
Even if One Piece totally flops from here on out (and I've been really enjoying Egghead so far so that's one arc closer to the final chapter before the decline begins) the series will have still spent less time in its dark slide to the end than any of the above examples. For such a long series, so far it's been remarkably consistent in its quality over the years. Oda's storytelling has changed in that time, in some ways for the better (I love how all the post-timeskip islands run together as a single larger saga, feeding into each other far more directly than the standalone pre-timeskip arcs) and in some ways for the worse, but it's always evened out enough to still be enjoyable and keep me feeling passionate about it for all this time. Bad endings are bad, but there's no comparison between the series that starts spiraling before it's 50% done and the one that only starts showing problems at 90%.
It's reasonable to be concerned after Wano stumbled over the finish line and yes, after Oda's comments about rushing forward from here. Personally, I stopped putting any real stock in Oda's completion estimates years ago, and the recent chapters have felt like a breath of fresh air after Wano collapsed after its own weight. I suppose the climax of Egghead will be the first real test of what Oda learned from the last arc, but when those chapters come I'll call 'em as I see 'em.
Dislike the fact Luffy just started the fight with the ultimate form. Like, why?
Well I know why. It's an exposition tool, so Vega can fill the rest of the SH in. It's an awkward placement, though, not very well planned. Because there's no reason at all why Luffy would need Nika form against Lucci after surviving multiple rounds against Kaido without it.
I like how it was confirmed that zoans tend to take control of their users with Awakening. Feel like the change in behavior should be more drastic for animal zoan users, as opposed to users like Luffy, with his human zoan.
Oh and why does Lucci's awakened form have that floating flame scarf thing, whatsitcalled? It's just a leopard fruit, not a mythical magical leopard fruit.
It probably was underlined before. But how did Lucci awaken his moan form while Kaido didn't ? But to be honest, I may have missed the awakening of Kaido somehow...
@Razh said in Chapter 1069: All Things Are Brought Into This World With Hope:
Dislike the fact Luffy just started the fight with the ultimate form. Like, why?
Because he’s smarter than his enemies in that regard. He knows Lucci is strong, so why would he give him any chance? He doesn’t underestimate him. And it’s good training, why not use this chance…
Is the manga on break this week?
@undeniable02 said in Chapter 1069: All Things Are Brought Into This World With Hope:
Is the manga on break this week?
Yes, it is.
@Razh said in Chapter 1069: All Things Are Brought Into This World With Hope:
Because there's no reason at all why Luffy would need Nika form against Lucci after surviving multiple rounds against Kaido without it.
Luffy survived some of those rounds by sheer luck, one of those rounds he actually didn't survive (well, depending on who you ask). And during those rounds he didn't have the option to tap Nika in.
That's like saying "Why should I follow traffic rules or use airbags and seatbelts? I've survived every car crash I've been in"
Frankly, you guys sound like apologists for bad writing.
Luffy uses Gear 5 because it's so much fun. He feels free and always has a great time in that form. See how happy he looks when Bonney asks him about Gear 5? Also, he acknowledges Lucci as a strong opponent. That's all there is to it.
@Razh said in Chapter 1069: All Things Are Brought Into This World With Hope:
Frankly, you guys sound like apologists for bad writing.
I've been complaining about Oda's writing since Nika. "Luffy survived Kaido without Gear 5 so him using it now makes no sense" is just a bad argument.
@Razh Wow, that came off as really rude.
Still, he has a point: Luffy fought Kaido for hours before going Gear 5 and, awakening or not, I honestly don't have it in me to treat Lucci as a foe more dangerous than Kaido was.
Plus, I very much liked the way Gear 2-4 Luffy was fighting until Wano. If every serious fight from now on opens right away with the Looney Tunes popping eyes, I will be a little disappointed.
Unrelated, I would have appreciated a bit more struggle when it comes to Gear 5.
The previous gears took 2 years to master, whereas with awakening it just went "you dead > poof > full power". No getting familiar with new abilities, no training, no hesitation where Luffy would want to switch back to Gear 5 but doesn't know how it's done (since, you know, he was dead the first time). Kinda feels too easy.
Anyway, I'm going to put all of it on the "Oda is rushing" pile. There was a time when the events of 1069 could have been split over a couple chapters, with maybe some classic fighting before Lucci awakened. But it's all in the past now
@Seafarer33 said in Chapter 1069: All Things Are Brought Into This World With Hope:
Still, he has a point: Luffy fought Kaido for hours before going Gear 5 and, awakening or not, I honestly don't have it in me to treat Lucci as a foe more dangerous than Kaido was.
The difference is that during those hours Luffy was absolutely unaware of the existence of Gear 5. Do you think he would keep Gear 5 up his sleeve until everything else failed, should Luffy and Kaido fight one more time, or would Luffy immediately go for it? Because I'd bet it's the latter.
Plus, I very much liked the way Gear 2-4 Luffy was fighting until Wano. If every serious fight from now on opens right away with the Looney Tunes popping eyes, I will be a little disappointed.
Also, I would have appreciated a bit more struggle when it comes to Gear 5.
The previous gears took 2 years to master, whereas with awakening it just went "you dead > poof > full power". No getting familiar with new abilities, no training, no hesitation where Luffy would want to switch back to Gear 5 but doesn't know how it's done (since, you know, he was dead the first time). Kinda feels too easy.
Completely agree here. Gear 5 sucks and apparently will continue to taint most of Luffy's fight for the rest of the series. I really hope Blackbeard beats the shit out of Nika.
@Coookie it's not, because Luffy fought Kaido a while using everything he had at his disposal, and even held on pretty damn well. He fought Kaido, mind you, who by all accounts should be pretty well above Lucci in fighting ability.
Just miss all that Luffy's hard earned arsenal and seeing Nika as a go to move kinda cheapens it. Next decent fight after beating Emperor and he jumps straight to Super Saiyan God. Might as well pull out all the stops against the first foe. Yeah, it's Luffy, and he likes to have fun but it's a damn shame.
@Johnny-B-Decent rude, a stretched maybe. Really rude, though?
Is calling people apologists that much of an insult?
@Razh said in Chapter 1069: All Things Are Brought Into This World With Hope:
@Coookie it's not, because Luffy fought Kaido a while using everything he had at his disposal, and even held on pretty damn well. He fought Kaido, mind you, who by all accounts should be pretty well above Lucci in fighting ability.
Just miss all that Luffy's hard earned arsenal and seeing Nika as a go to move kinda cheapens it. Next decent fight after beating Emperor and he jumps straight to Super Saiyan God. Might as well pull out all the stops against the first foe. Yeah, it's Luffy, and he likes to have fun but it's a damn shame.
Luffy held on pretty well? From what I remember Luffy got defeated by Kaido several times, most of which during one night, and should have died at two separate instances. Even with Gear 5 he barely managed to win, and all of that after a good dozen of other characters have had their go at Kaido.
Gear 5 is not the super powerup that exponentially raises Luffy's doriki you imply it is. Luffy knows that he struggled against Lucci back in the day, and just like he immediately went Gear 2 + water against Crocodile during Marineford, he didn't half-ass his reaction to Lucci.
Btw, powerscaling isn't linear.
You guys are complaining about Luffy using Gear 5 straight away for his next battle right after Kaidou, but I bet when you leveled up a pokemon and he learned HyperBeam the first thing you did was vaporizing the next Rattata you saw, instead of "saving" it for the Elite 4.
@Razh Well, you asked people for their opinions, and then were like "Yeah, whatever, your opinions sucks", so yeah, a smidge.
@Barkworm said in Chapter 1069: All Things Are Brought Into This World With Hope:
Luffy uses Gear 5 because it's so much fun. He feels free and always has a great time in that form. See how happy he looks when Bonney asks him about Gear 5? Also, he acknowledges Lucci as a strong opponent. That's all there is to it.
And that there might be a drawback to Gear 5th, in that he was too distracted to have future sight let him know that Sentomaru would get hit.
The best thing this arc could do imo is flesh out Gear 5 and highlight it's limits and weaknesses to the point that even Luffy has to admit there are drawbacks that he should cut back on the mode over. Compared to Luffy's other modes, this one seems to actively mess with his personality and attitude.
Luffy should screw up more because of the playfulness and carelessness he's been showing in this mode. He should be creeped out by Vegapunk's almost creepy admiration of it and being treated like a God now.
Feels like it could be a decent path of growth for an MC for this final series Saga. Or maybe I could be too optimistic and it's nothing and we now have our finished MC version of LUffy for the rest of it all.
Quite wild to me that people care more about "power scaling" than seeing more of Luffy's new toy. If you don't simply dislike gear 5 period, why wouldn't you want Luffy to use it against every single opponent? We've gone over 1000 chapters without it, and we probably have less than 500 chapters of one piece left. I want to see it as much as possible!
I like haki but it is super boring to me compared to gear 5.
For a while now we have seen Luffy using Gear 4th (his strongest Gear then) to fight even nameless grunts.
So, no, I see nothing weird about him going right to Gear 5th against Lucci, who despite how much the fanbase desperately wants to, is not a weakling.
What will be weird is if he struggles to overpower Lucci and so far what we saw was the opposite of that: we saw Luffy basically treating the fight as a joke and Lucci being pissed in almost every panel because he couldn't land a single attack.
Now that Luffy's playfulness backfired and might (not) cost someone's life, let's see how the fight goes. Judging anything powerscale related before that just sounds like doom-saying.
I'm pretty sure most of what is discussed here never passed Oda's mind lol.
He just wants to draw Gear 5 more so that readers get used to it (and used to Luffy using it) and that he can keep showing it because he likes drawing it.
That and he does it all the time with new forms, it's always Luffy's next go-to on the next island.
It really is that simple and Lucci's awakening is just along the lines of "he's pretty popular so it'll be lame if he didn't do something new, this will work for merch and MORE popularity too" so let's slot the design in.
Is it bad writing/inconsistent or a damper, probably yes. But I don't think any of that matters anymore because he is willing to do that in order to dump exposition on Nika again, this time to the straw hats who didn't know, in exchange for sacrificing what should have logically happened in this instance.
It looks cool too, I guess. Kids love that.
@Marcotty said in Chapter 1069: All Things Are Brought Into This World With Hope:
The best thing this arc could do imo is flesh out Gear 5 and highlight it's limits and weaknesses to the point that even Luffy has to admit there are drawbacks that he should cut back on the mode over. Compared to Luffy's other modes, this one seems to actively mess with his personality and attitude.
Luffy should screw up more because of the playfulness and carelessness he's been showing in this mode. He should be creeped out by Vegapunk's almost creepy admiration of it and being treated like a God now.
Feels like it could be a decent path of growth for an MC for this final series Saga. Or maybe I could be too optimistic and it's nothing and we now have our finished MC version of LUffy for the rest of it all.
If people Luffy cares about keep getting knocked down by an attack that he could have stopped had the sensations of Gear 5th not distracted him, then shouldn’t he change his approach?
Lucci getting shitstomped with Gear 5 is what it was made for.
I wonder how well Doflamingo would stand up to gear 5? He got absolutely annihilated by gear 4 so probably not good
The problem is that G5 is not just the strongest gear, but also the only one that apparently has no drawback whatsoever. The fact that it can also be tappet in any time no problem makes it excessively broken.
Well, maybe there are drawbacks and this showing serves to present them to us, because last time went unnoticed among the regular Kaido bruises.
@Coookie said in Chapter 1069: All Things Are Brought Into This World With Hope:
The difference is that during those hours Luffy was absolutely unaware of the existence of Gear 5. Do you think he would keep Gear 5 up his sleeve until everything else failed, should Luffy and Kaido fight one more time, or would Luffy immediately go for it? Because I'd bet it's the latter.
Oh, I have no problem admitting: it's a purely subjective thing, I just loathe Lucci and dislike that we have to put up with him as an opposing force. No doubt a Kaido rematch would be Gear 5 from the start, but I don't want Lucci to be that kind of foe. He doesn't deserve it and I would have loved nothing more than to see him get the Bellamy treatment. Or, at a push, be annihilated by a single Kong Gun like Doflamingo was.
Beyond this I still hope gear 5 won't become the go-to move from now on, but what's been said about powerscaling at large and Oda wanting to draw his latest toy makes sense, I reckon.
I would be surprised if Luffy uses any of the previous gears again
Neat.
Though in 409 those shots, and the explosion panel that followed were an entire page by themselves, and here its wedged in between 7 other panels and is much harder to follow as a result.
@Alfiere Perhaps so, but I mean look at some of the big villain's powers. Like Kizaru has no weaknesses at all, and can use his powers freely. And Kaido can turn into a flying kaiju whenever. Luffy getting Gear 5 is like him finally getting on that level.
Luffy had gear 4 since rayleigh training yet only used it 200 chapters into the new world. Then he used it very often in the next arc up until gear 5 got revealed at end of wano.
Luffy does have the only will that has a time limit in OP so maybe that is why he waited so long for gear 4, this new gear doesn't seem to have any limit.
@Robby said in Chapter 1069: All Things Are Brought Into This World With Hope:
Though in 409 those shots, and the explosion panel that followed were an entire page by themselves, and here its wedged in between 7 other panels and is much harder to follow as a result.
And?
The focus of this are the information and not the fight itself... it's just a nice little throwback to the past... why waste space just for that...
Besides, the main fight at the end of an arc, a chapter, and a Volume if I'm not mistaken versus a small encounter at the beginning (or maybe the middle) of an arc...
@Zhenja
I suppose Robby is nostalgic of the time when Oda was not forced to cluster his chapters with tiny panels...
I miss that time a bit too
Do you guys even realize that Gear 5 is not the same as the previous ones? G2-G4 were created by Luffy, G5 is awakaning... the power of the fruit itself... and has less drawbacks, probably only the stamina.
G2 - Luffy pumped up his blood flow
G3 - Luffy pumped up his bones
G4 - Luffy pumped up his muscles and used Haki to use it as precise as possible
All ideas of Luffy. G5 not so much... even if he calls it Gear 5, we know it's not something he came up with.
If your strongest form has almost no drawbacks... why the f*ck not use it...
I mean it is his super saiyan. It'll slowly overshadow all others abilities and become the new default. Barring any super saiyan 2 forms around the corner
We all know Haki tops fruits, so who cares...