@access-timeco said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

I don't know what it is worse, a character that had no development or attention during 4 years and was completely neglected being suddenly meant to be part of the main cast, or that scene being supposed to be Carrot's real end.
People were going nuts over how Yamato giving up his dream was against OP's message, but in absolutely EVERY. SINGLE. SENSE that Carrot scene shits on OP's usual message a hundred times more.
Despite any complaints people might have, Yamato still made his decision of his own free will and was shown legitimately happy and optimistic; meanwhile Carrot was shown distraught and powerless, about a decision imposed on her that she kept denying at every moment only to see more and more people coercing her into it until she had no way out.

My honest favorite outcome would be if in the next cover story we saw Carrot jumping out of a barrel and finding out she boarded on Kid's ship by mistake. This way she would be able to keep sailing and having her adventures before she could go back to Zou an become a duchess when she felt ready for it - and could even rejoin the story once Kid comes back, but without feeling like an outsider as it would be in the main cast.
Wait I don’t see the comparison or parallel to Yamato’s situation.

When did Carrot express any dream in the story? When did Carrot express the desire to keep sailing the seas or going adventures or being a pirate or indicate she wanted to do something other than return to Zou after she got her revenge?

Also the scenes you’re describing from the manga sure do seem to have a lot of your own interpretation baked in to it leading to that conclusion. The role being constantly foisted upon her? She kept denying a decision imposed on her? Shown to be distraught and powerless? Gotta disagree with all that.

Technically as king/duke she can do w/e she wants and call it protecting Zou the new generation way. I don’t see Oda just throwing away the role when a character can get creative with it. Zou’s a moving island after all.

However, I will admit Carrot joining the Kidd pirates would be funny as fuck and a nice twist.

@Galleon-Panthera said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

I just realized. Maybe there won't be a tenth crewmate after all, because I forgot that Luffy considers his ship, the Thousand Sunny to be a crewmate too. If so, then the chances of a actual tenth crewmate drops extremely low.

If that were the case Jimbe would be the 10th crew mate cuz Merry was the actual 4th

But we know that’s not the case cuz of Franky joining and the number used for him and none for the Sunny.

As a lover of all things Star Trek this is a pretty interesting idea.

Naturally all of the strawhats would have black goatees.

Luffy would be a ruthless genius that didn't give one shit about his "nakama". They all would've joined him for selfish reasons or forced to be in his crew. I'm not even sure the crew would consist of the same members and probably wouldn't join in the same order. If not a pirate, then a marine like Garp intended by a much more ruthless grandpa. Same fate for an evil Ace. The two "brothers" probably wouldn't even consider each other as such. Sabo would've stayed royalty in the Goa Kingdom and probably plot to kill his way to becoming king. If the same fate befalls him as far as amnesia and being taken in by Dragon he'd aim to overthrow and takeover peaceful and less corrupt kingdoms like Alabasta. He'd most likely run in to conflict with Crocodile long before Luffy. Although I guess in this universe Crocodile would be a good pirate or warlord trying to help the ppl of Alabasta against a corrupt king Cobra and pretty rotten princess Vivi.

Back to the strawhats in no specific order; Franky would've betrayed Tom ( this version being a bit a-hole) with Iceberg. Took over Water 7 and secretly built several Plutons. The construction of the sea train would've been a cover for their expanding underworld. Most likely upsetting the balance of power in the OP world. Keeping stuff in mind like Gol D. Roger would be evil as well as Shanks and Whitebeard. Kaido and Big Mom would've been oddly good. Most of the warlords would be nice like Croc, Moria, Doffy, Hancock being more naive and welcoming, I guess Mihawk would lean a bit more evil yet still being neutral, can't call it with Kuma (honestly depends how mirror reverse we're gonna get. Are Akainu and Kizaru gonna be pirates? Or are they just gonna be good marines. Cuz then the warlords would consist of a different group as well as the emperors and admirals. In DS9, Kira was a freedom fighter and her mirror counterpart was basically an oppressor but OG Kirk and Spock were bad guys but still a part of their version of Starfleet compared to Sisko's counterpart who before dying was fighting for freedom for humans under that Bajoran alliance's rule).

Anyway, I'll stick to most characters still keeping their professions just personality switches minus a few exceptions.

Robin would've been behind the destruction of Ohara. Being a real demon child who basically sacrificed her ppl in order to pursue the truth of the void century. She would've been secretly behind the drought in Alabasta. Using Crocodile to take down King Cobra in order to get access to the poneglyphs.

Chopper would've gotten his revenge on the reindeer that abandoned him cuz of his nose color and massacred the ppl of the Drum kingdom. Evil Dr. Hiriluk would've saw Chopper as an interesting experiment on how human (human being defined as the worst traits of mankind) a reindeer who ate the human human DF could be. Teaching him all that medical knowledge so he could go out in to the world and do his own experiments (torture) on mankind. Chopper basically becomes Kabuto from Naruto, Herr Doktor from Hellsing, that creepy mad scientist caption from Bleach, Hugo Strange, and well Queen. He'd probably sneakily become the physician in the kingdom serving under an evil king Dalton until he decides to just branch out and go do experiments throughout the grandline.

Nami's just really fucked up. Shes probably raised by good guy Arlong as her stepdad who escapes Fishman island from the evil super racist Jimbe and gets with Bellmere. Naturally she hates them and her town and oranges. Still loves money and navigation. She is just wickedly cruel the way she manipulates town's ppl for her enjoyment which leads to their deaths. Jumps at the chance to join Luffy after he shows up and kills Arlong and his crew.

I like the idea of Usopp being a despicable coward like Orochi. I just feels like he'd do much worse things as that type of coward. Like on Doflamingo's level. Do untold things to Kaya. Blackmail a good guy Kuro and set him up to be killed, etc.

Zoro is an ambition-less murderer. He is the one that pushed Kuina to her death after her father and his master told him Kuina would succeed him as head of the dojo and he can never become the world's greatest swordsman. This Zoro is a bit more lime that dark universe Zoro Oda described in one of his SBS. Zoro pirate hunts just to make enough money for booze so he can pass out and sleep days away. He's a vicious swordsman and killer but not much else. He'll follow anyone that can provide him with enough alcohol which leads him to accepting membership to Nico Robin's Baroque Works.

Brook's story is completely different, at least from what we know, in the mirror universe he tried to mutiny on Yorki's ship which successfully splintered the pirate crew during their time in the Florian Triangle. Brook naturally felt he was the superior musician and a jealous Yorki tried to kill him. Also earlier the crew tried to kill and eat Laboon. Now captain of the crew the same pretty much happens to them until Brook dies. All those decades of loneliness really made Brook insane and not in the playful way Oda depicts it. Now skeleton Brook pretty much joins Mora's crew while secretly plotting to kill him as he basically sails the Florian Triangle as an enforcer taking out any passing ships. Sort of like Mihawk's introduction but with more music.

Just like how regular Sand's story could be its own manga, same for mirror Sanji. In this version he and bis mother Sora are the bad ones. His siblings and Judge try to be good rulers and aspiring superheroes in the Germa kingdom and all of North Blue. Sora and Sanji aim to be dictators and feels it is their right to rule so they start wars and conquer most of North Blue. Even a young evil Sanji is pretty adept at it. Dora uses her scientific mind to experi ent on her children and succeeds the most with Sanji. Judge is pretty much a beta taking the backseat to his wife's and tries to be a caring father. Sora eventually kills him. Sanji's dream at the time is to basically become Soba Mask and conquer all of North Blue then take on the world government.

Now I could just keep going down that route but to fall in line with fate lets say Sanji still somehow ends up on a ship leading him to East Blue and with Zeff. Maybe Sora feels threatened by her twisted son's ambitions and sets him up to be killed on some ship but instead ends up in East Blue. The twist here with Zeff being a greedy ruthless pirate is that he really was hogging all that food as the two were stranded on that island. Sanji's uses his abilities and while all the food is gone he does cut off Zeff's leg. Yup Sanji's so hungry he has to commit a little cannibalism to survive and that's where he gains a better appreciation of food and dabbles in cooking. Still a pretty ruthless kid and totally not humbled by the experience Sanji opts to start over and conquer East Blue as a pirate and eventually take back the Germa Kingdom which is his birthright. Successful as a pirate from a young age Sanji then is gone of the top pirates in east blue and has had several bounties. Then he has his inevitable encounter with Luffy.

Also for another curveball I feel like Smoker as a pretty bad marine even with a logia (bad as in not even a captain, Tashigi is) would be drastically changed when he meets Luffy at Loguetown and this version would betray the marines and become a pirate, joining the strawhats.

Jimbe would basically be fishman Hitler. He doesn't join the crew. Too hateful. Killed too many humans. Basically like Arlong joining.

The protagonist in this world would be Teach. He'd be more like the Luffy we know. Just older and fatter.

Buggy would basically be Shanks, conqueror's haki and everything.

Sure why not.

Shanks can be a surprise D. Clan member and why not really mess with Luffy’s heritage.

Dragon being Rocks son is a much better argument for him changing his last name to Monkey and Garp just going with the idea that they’re related based on a mutual agreement to continue covering up Xebec’s existence. Also Dragon being a revolutionary kinda falls more in line with Xebec’s goals.

Crazy how a post about Vegapunk was somehow changed to be about Yamato with no connection at all given he’s not present, mentioned or in the arc in any other way.

Wano is like if you combined Alabasta and Drum in to one saga. Make Croc the big name behind the evil leader of the country, Wapol.

Oda did this cuz he wanted his own separate Japanese story focusing on the scabbards, Oden, and a direct villain for them. You change Kaido a lot if you give him Orochi's motivations and any of those slimy personality traits.

Wano was pretty fucked up on its own with this blood feud with the Kurozumis and everybody else led by the Kozukis. That story had to play out. If not this would just be another repeat of Alabasta and Dressrosa just with an emperor this time. I feel it worked out.

@Shin10-Bukuro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 10 - Egghead):

@Zik said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 10 - Egghead):

So then what you just made up absolutely does not apply to whoever joins next.

Let's revisit my post:

"If a character is joining, you can bet Oda would be:

1. Introducing them sooner rather than later.
2. Wasting no time getting them into panels with the rest of the crew.
3. Tying them directly into a central plot thread."

What about bothers you? Why exactly are you getting triggered?

I guess you’re not understanding what you’re reading.

You said these ideas don't apply to former crewmates, which I agreed with; Concerns regarding "is there enough time left" obviously weren't a problem 10-20 years ago when those other crewmates were implemented.

If they do not apply to current crew mates (there are no former crewmates) then there is no reason to think any of that will apply to future crewmates.

The entire thing is baseless.

I can't even imagine why you would disagree with my post.

Cuz it’s wrong.

@Shin10-Bukuro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 10 - Egghead):

@Zik said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 10 - Egghead):

Totally made up guidelines that do not apply to other strawhats.

Jimbe and Robin come to mind immediately.

Yes, exactly. You're basically helping to make my point for me.

A character joining so late in the series means they will have noticeably different circumstances than characters who have managed to get panel time for decades.

So then what you just made up absolutely does not apply to whoever joins next.

@desa said in The ways Orochi's existence wrecks the manga. (SPOILERS):

I like Orochi a lot. I just do not think it was a good idea to have him there if Kaido was going to be the main villain. Sometimes you have to choose between 2 good things rather then try to force them together.

Oda probably should’ve handled things in stages instead of side by side with Orochi and Kaido.

Have the scabbards face off with Kanjuro and Orochi first, have some sort of struggle, think they killed him then move on to Kaido. Other strawhat fights begin. Kanjuro dies and makes Kurozumi fire monster. Then have the supernovas against the emperors, have Luffy take his first L, Kaido goes to kill Momo, kills Orochi and proclaims his win and that Yamato is the new shogun. Big Mom vs. Law and Kidd. Then have the scabbards take their L to Kaido, Yamato vs Kaido, Luffy returns and everything is pretty much the same.

I think Oda thought he could pull this off the same way he handled Rob Lucci and Spandam but underestimated how big he made Orochi and Kaido story wise.

@desa said in The ways Orochi's existence wrecks the manga. (SPOILERS):

@Zik said in The ways Orochi's existence wrecks the manga. (SPOILERS):

Wano is like if you combined Alabasta and Drum in to one saga. Make Croc the big name behind the evil leader of the country, Wapol.

Oda did this cuz he wanted his own separate Japanese story focusing on the scabbards, Oden, and a direct villain for them. You change Kaido a lot if you give him Orochi's motivations and any of those slimy personality traits.

Wano was pretty fucked up on its own with this blood feud with the Kurozumis and everybody else led by the Kozukis. That story had to play out. If not this woyld just be another repeat of Alabasta and Dressrosa just with a emperor this time. I feel it worked out.

Crocodile being a financier of Wapol is a good analogy. And I think it weakens both characters by not giving Wapol the focus for being the direct cause of Chopper suffering while making Crocodile feel too detach from the root of the conflict by not being the instigating force.

As far as the story playing out. If both Kurozumi and Kozuki died from Kaido and we see the new generation of both family working together to restore the country I think it does a better job of showing blood feuds and being divided is bad but working together and not holding people responsible for familial mistake is good.

I feel like Oda had two stories on mind that he ran side by side. One was Luffy’s continuing rise and finally taking down an emperor with a good enough investment in Wano and the other was basically the scabbards and Momo liberating the Wano ppl from Orochi. I think he did a good enough job.

That’s one way it could’ve went between the two families but then it leaves out twists like Kanjuro’s betrayal (unless you make that whole thing Kaido’s idea which again isn’t much like him).

As for that angle, I would’ve much preferred it if Orochi just had a son that hated him (same as Yamato with Kaido or simply add more reasons I mean Sanji ended up being the black sheep the same way). Have him be against him and Kaido, have a little town where the ppl were actually fed and he tried to treat well before Beast pirates fuck it up, gives Yamato a “brother” to get through over a decade of struggle, eventually have him try to kill Orochi and get banished or try to beat Kaido with Yamato and lose.

Then by the time of the raid he can team up with the strawhats and scabbards and really settle this vendetta the Kurozumis had. I mean Orochi died a bunch of times during the raid why not one more time against his son. Also it’ll better unify things for any Wanonese that were still on Orochi’s side (not many but I assume any of the higher class rich ppl who helped oppress others would not want to change).

Wano is like if you combined Alabasta and Drum in to one saga. Make Croc the big name behind the evil leader of the country, Wapol.

Oda did this cuz he wanted his own separate Japanese story focusing on the scabbards, Oden, and a direct villain for them. You change Kaido a lot if you give him Orochi's motivations and any of those slimy personality traits.

Wano was pretty fucked up on its own with this blood feud with the Kurozumis and everybody else led by the Kozukis. That story had to play out. If not this would just be another repeat of Alabasta and Dressrosa just with an emperor this time. I feel it worked out.

@Shin10-Bukuro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 10 - Egghead):

If a character is joining, you can bet Oda would be:

1. Introducing them sooner rather than later.
2. Wasting no time getting them into panels with the rest of the crew.
3. Tying them directly into a central plot thread.

I don't think Yamato or Carrot are candidates any longer for these reasons. Oda is at least intending to speed through the remainder of the manga, so if we're expecting another Nakama it should be someone central to an important plot thread.

Totally made up guidelines that do not apply to other strawhats.

Jimbe and Robin come to mind immediately.

A stag beetle isn’t joining the crew lol

@Shiebs said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 10 - Egghead):

@Shin10-Bukuro maybe they can take away her powers and give her Kuma’s paw paw fruit

I don’t know man I’m just winging it

She’d be even more powerful lol.

Unless Oda nerfs it and/or has haki be the reason why she can’t do a bunch of stuff like send enemies flying for 3 days or repel the pain away from all of her allies and give it to her enemies.

And that’s just what we know the ability can do. Theoretically it could do a lot more

@Ivotas said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 10 - Egghead):

@Zik
Please don't tell me this was a spoiler.

Given what was posted? No.

You might be able to understand the question later though.

@Ivotas said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 10 - Egghead):

@Zik said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 10 - Egghead):

I guess Kyka's body cant just send himself flying with the paw paw fruit?

Who is Kyka? First time I hear that name.

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