Vegapunk said the same thing that physicist said.
The very same thing as that physicist!
Vegapunk said the same thing that physicist said.
The very same thing as that physicist!
@Captain-M said in Chapter 1116: Inner conflict:
But we know some things that he doesn't, as did the Roger Pirates. Remember this interesting little bit from Rayleigh in chapter 967?
"It's not the weapon we're after ... it's the people who called it a weapon." What this says is that the Ancient Weapons predated the name we know them by, and likely had a different purpose before they were weaponised for the ancient war. I think it's pretty likely that the intent of Joyboy wanting the weapons and their will to be inherited was to restore them to their original purpose, whatever that was. And, of course, it's pretty obvious that Vegapunk's info doesn't include the parts that made Roger decide he was "too soon" to fulfill the One Piece's intended purpose. Maybe if Vegapunk knew these things he'd have firmer judgements to make on right and wrong.
Yep, and this combined with Tom's philosophy about how ships aren't built as weapons, but just ships, could lend to the outside of the box idea that Shirahoshi and Pluton aren't inherently weapons, but all depends on how who you ask and what you use them for.
@Marcotty said in Official Egghead Thread:
I think, regardless of wins or losses here, the bigger issue is that circumstances really need to get bad enough to force the strawhats to flee against their usual will. I can't imagine the strawhats getting an unquestionable win and just sailing off of egghead with their heads held high like a boss crew with nothing left to stop them. Oda's built up a show of force that's too big to let the strawhats get the big win here. It's too early in the final arc for that. York should be stopped, we should see the Seraphim stopped but not destroyed, and maybe we can have Kizaru take a beating if he hops over ahead of the fleet, but after all that, they really need to flee rather than face the fleet and Saturn. It'd be a horrible start to the final saga to have that much of a win happen.
Straw Hats easily defeating Seraphim + Saturn + Kizaru + all of Kizaru’s back-up ships in less than one hour would prob do more to make the final bosses of this series look more underwhelming and make Emperor Luffy’s fights look worse because of how boring they’d become.
Yeah, I don’t think Saul being alive ruins Robin’s story, like how some say Pell ruined Vivi’s story. Clover was pretty much Robin’s “Shanks figure” that she bonded with enough to realize a common interest/dream and be her catalyst to sail after they died and tried carrying on their will. Saul’s fate, although also meaningful, doesn’t really change that either way.
@Captain-M said in Chapter 1113: Stalemate:
@electricmastro Totally agreed; weaklings is only a realtive term only at this point. (And even in the heyday of the crew having a 'weakling squad' most wouldn't have included Robin and Brook among them anyway)
Yeah, it really did kinda frustrate me how much Chopper and the others would get downplayed as fighters given how they all promised to get stronger for Luffy and are facing gradually more dangerous foes especially in light of attaining an Emperor's crew status.
This of course isn't to say that cremates like Chopper have to be the same as Zoro, but given how Zoro himself wasn't there to hold off Saturn right at the moment Robin was in danger in this chapter, it makes the most sense to me that they all step up.
So, I'm quite excited to see what Oda does to have all them to step up, since as crazy as this might sound to some, I'm def ready to see more fighting from the crew beyond Zoro, Sanji, and Luffy. lol
@StrawHatJedi said in [Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World)]
I don't have any doubt that over the past few weeks in story the Straw Hats have connected with Yamato, but the question is why Oda didn't show us more of these scenes. It just strikes me as an odd choice in storytelling if, at least right now, that was meant to be Yamato's primary bond.
What I've really been trying to say is that 'being like Oden' is a thin motivation for Yamato sailing with the Straw Hats. I said this in 1050 / 1051 when Momo decided to close the borders, that maybe Yamato's way of building on Oden's legacy by sailing with the crew would mean searching for the answers about opening the borders. But then, Oda chose not to include her in the scenes where Pluton and the borders were discussed.
That might be what is is all about: that Momo is meant to be the one to give Yamato purpose for leaving that isn't just sailing out to be free. If Oden could never give it to her, then Momo would, because he's the shogun now and is interested in knowing some things Yamato surely also wants to know about, which may be why Oda had Yamato talk about the journal info and had a bond with Momo to begin with.
I think that would make the most sense, since Yamato's dream to sail out and see the world is pretty nebulous compared to having a dream to open Wano's borders and accomplish Oden's overall purpose for Wano in relation to Joy Boy.
@Captain-M said in Chapter 1064: Egghead Labophase:
Is it just me, or has Oda been leaning hard on the fanservice lately? Black Maria fighting topless, Robin's ultimate move coming out naked despite her other full body clones having clothes, the post-battle bathhouse scene, Bonney wringing out her shirt, and now her, Robin and Nami all set up to spend the coming arc casually pantsless. The ass-emphasising camera angle in Bonney's last panel this chapter also stands out. Oda's never skimped on drawing female characters in a way that appeals to him and playing with suggestive outfits. We've had one-off bath scenes in a couple of past arcs too. But I can't recall him using this much nudity over so many characters in such a short amount of time. I don't want to sound like some horrible puritan who thinks artists shouldn't draw things they're attracted to just to enjoy looking at them, or that they shouldn't write societies with looser nudity taboos than the real world, or that readers can't enjoy it when they do or anything dumb like that - all those things can work or fall flat based on execution and consistency of tone - I'm just making an observation that things seem a little hornier around here than they used to be.
I suspect it’s partially resulted from his way of dealing with not drawing Yamato as of now while we wait for Momo become her catalyst to sail and fully realize her greater purpose. Yamato is prob the most expressively beautiful female character he ever drew, so I’d understand why he’d miss drawing her. lol
@Galleon-Panthera said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
Really awesome to know you spend two years struggling against the idea of Yamato joining and ending up winning the argument. That takes a lot of gusto to maintain. I'm not sure I could have done the same.
Not that I think anything of value was really won here, but I'm curious. How many people were struggling against the idea of Jinbe joining after the repeatedly left Luffy to go and do other things anyway?
@cavendishsama said in Chapter 1066: The Will of Ohara:
I don't think Saul being alive ruins Robin's story, still not sure if I like it, though. Depends how his story goes I guess, if he is the man with the burn scar that's already intriguing.
I'm also a little biased regarding his survival cause I really disliked the theory about him being alive cause it was mainly based on something that's just not true. ("Ice Time Capsule" is the attack Kuzan uses to immobilize Saul (chapter 397, p 13), the attack he uses to 'kill' him is "Ice Time" (page 15). He uses that attack vs Luffy for example. Of course Luffy survived it as well, and the Island being literally on fire makes it entirely possible that the ice melted and he survived. But I don't like that the Ice Time Capsule people turned out to be right about his survival.Other than that, 10/10 chapter.
I suppose issue could be taken with the idea of “Well if Saul could survive, then why not Olvia and Clover? Why couldn’t Saul just pick them up and run out of there?” But I guess that will be answered too.
@danie said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 10 - Egghead):
Vivi or no one. I'm not even sure though when Vivi will come back into the story again, so that's a bummer. Maybe the next arc.
Ay, seeing as how Bonney is a first person witness, it would prob be inevitable that she tells her side as to what happened and could even clue into what happened to Vivi too. Would be rather surprising if Bonney didn’t know anything at all.
@RomanceDawn said in Official Wano Thread:
Question about Kaido’s motives! So do we know why he wanted to die so much and was waiting around for Joy Boy?
I have this idea in my head that Oda deliberately showed us 2 Zoan awakenings with the clouds but nothing of the sort with Kaido because he wasn’t awakened.
Am I reading too much into it that Kaidou wanted one of those near death(or actual death) battles to awaken his fruit? I haven’t reread Wano yet and it just dawned on me I still don’t know exactly why he was so interested in Joy Boy or dying.
Any thoughts would be appreciated.
I’m predicting that Yamato will stumble across Kaidou on her journey. He’d be broken and still recovering but awakened. Luffy helped him accomplish his dream of “dying”.
As I recall, we don’t know. We don’t even know when he first found out about Joy Boy. My suspicion is that he might have found it out from either Rocks or King.
Not sure how Yamato would stumble across Kaido after Kaido got fisted into fish volcano soup though. Unless there would be more elaboration on their family history and dynamic, I imagine Oda would rather focus on Yamato dealing with the racism of being Kaido’s child.
@zeltrax225 said in Chapter 1121: The Upheaval of the Era:
I was re-watching parts of Skypiea last night while drunk and I was thinking to myself, isn't the Giant electrical sphere from Enel kind of OP?
Come to think of it, the Goro Goro no mi is pretty broken. I mean, that sphere nuked an entire city in a span of a few minutes.So I thought to myself, what if Uranus is Enel's DF? What if to complete Uranus, you need Enel's DF + A certain machine?
And then I thought to myself, since I think we won't have One Piece: Space Pirates spin off and Enel needs to be relevant again, what if his relevancy was staring at our face the whole time? And the whole reason the WG can't get their hands of Uranus is because its in the sky and is constantly roaming around. Keep in mind that we have no idea about Enel's backstory.Why did Oda showed Vivi(Pluton, Alabasta), Shirahoshi(Poseidon) and then Skypiea? Because he can't show Enel as that'll outright tell you what uranus is.
It also makes sense that Uranus=electricity=infinite energy. Like, that's pretty fucking op.
So here's my theory, either Uranus is Goro goro mi awakened or it is a combination of a device + Goro goro mi. And I think the fact that he can throw a sphere and nuke an entire town/village is similar to the WG's mother flame weapon nuking an entire island. Except that Enel doesn't need the Mother flame to do so.
Yep, Oda def setting up for when we revisit sky lore, with Urouge, Lunarians, and Uranus.
@Seafarer33 said in Chapter 1121: The Upheaval of the Era:
@electricmastro said in Chapter 1121: The Upheaval of the Era:
I think it ultimately depends on what Bonney wants.
If Bonney just wants to be at home kissy having pizza parties with Kuma, I’ll respect thatAs much as I enjoyed the Kuma flashback and the dynamic with Saturn, having one Nika in the story is already becoming one too much. So two ? No thanks. I loved her powers when it was about aging and comical different futures, but with recent developments I really, really, really hope Bonney takes the family option. Or at least, goes on to do story-relevant Nika-esque stuff in off-panel land.
Looks like she'll have a whole arc to be considering Nika stuff more considering how Nika is a central figure of Elbaf, so I'm looking forward to it.
@Captain-M said in Chapter 1121: The Upheaval of the Era:
@electricmastro The hero's journey has to end somewhere.
And while they're both high-value targets, we also have Elbaf coming up, both the biggest hotbed of Nika worship we know of and one most secure and lasting holdouts to World Government control.
If there's anywhere for an at-risk family of true believers to settle down, it's there.
I think it ultimately depends on what Bonney wants.
If Bonney just wants to be at home having pizza parties with Kuma, I’ll respect that.
If Bonney grows to have another dream of wanting to take down the Celestial Dragons which ruined her family and Kuma’s family, which I’m suspecting, I’ll also respect that.
In any case, the journey to Elbaf and her time on Elbaf will def give Bonney plenty of time to reflect and plan out her next moves going forward. The next one or two dozen chapters might give us that answer after the dust settles and Bonney has reflected.
@Captain-Krupp said in Official Egghead Thread:
I always wanted to see ELBAF but now I am dreading it, I have loved EVERYTHING Oda has done recently but Elbaf has more than two decades of fans wanting to see it. I am REALLY fearing a repeat of Fishman Island.
The Nika lore and Loki’s personality will def help make it interesting I imagine, as well as developments happening with the Emperors and Imu elsewhere.
@Surskit said in Official Egghead Thread:
@electricmastro I'd say the next chapter is the last one we actually see Egghead. After that, maybe one or two transitional chapters where different factions start moving around the world while the Straw Hats make their way to Elbaph
Looks like we’ll be saying goodbye to this thread in August then, which is when we’ll start the Elbaf thread.
Well, it was fun while it lasted. Looking forward to all the developments that will happen during Elbaf.
@Captain-M said in Chapter 1121: The Upheaval of the Era:
Finally moving onto the chapter proper, the first thing that stands out is Luffy's choice to elevate Bonney. He's winding up his own attack when he notices her feelings, and, even without knowing the backstory himself, encourages her to participate in the final blow. This shows both an emotional perceptiveness and a willingness to share the spotlight that might scan as uncharacteristic of Luffy. But it feels like character growth to me. We saw this behaviour develop through his relationship with Momo, and it seems to have stuck. And boy does that final punch feel good. Bonney's bit about her loneliness and the family she wanted to have is tragic and moving. Saturn well and truly earned that hit, even if he's almost definitely not dead yet.
But I can't help thinking this might have had more impact if this had been the first time Bonney achieved the Nika transformation. Let it be the giants and/or Strawhats who team up with Luffy to throw Mars away and save Bonney for the battle that's personal to her. But whatever. Maybe the mood would have been wrong to achieve a Nika transformation if Saturn was already on deck. He's not exactly a figure who inspires joy.
It might also have been cool to see Kuma contribute, but that tiny little smile he offers after it's done speaks volumes. His survival, combined with Bonney's little fantasy spot of living with him and Ginny, feels like death for Bonney's odds of joining the crew. She's got a home to return to that she's been missing. Her happiest ending is getting it.
See, it really doesn't make sense me to Oda would be building up Bonney's devotion to Nika and having a fondness of Kuma and Nika being heroes just to return to home.
This combined with Bonney now basically being one of the most targeted individuals by the Elders now really doesn't make me think she's just going to go back home having pizza parties with Kuma right after this.
Basically, any happy ending Oda has in store for Bonney might be coming much later rather than much sooner, based on what he has shown.
@Shiebs said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 10 - Egghead):
@Deicide I’m still hoping Kuma gets a new body and a happy ending
I mean, again, if it was just a matter of transferring bodies, then why didn’t Vegapunk bring this up before?
That’s a valid question to ask, no?
We’ll have to see how Oda handles Kuma’s situation from here on out then, whether just being content being with a veggie Kuma or finding more content times with the Straw Hats.
@Johnny-B-Decent said in Chapter 1121: The Upheaval of the Era:
@MetaMario I would love if the Cross Guild actually knows Buggy isn't really that strong, but they still follow him just because they like him better as a leader then Crocodile.
Buggy also has more knowledge of the Road Poneglyph, so they def see his value in that.