Plus, superfans are more likely by nature to become yes-men and thus less likely to challenge Oda's own ideas, which is the whole point of an editor.
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RE: Oda's Interviews
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RE: Chapter 1090: Kizaru
@Alfiere said in Chapter 1090: Kizaru:
The Water7/Enies Lobby saga was first and foremost about Robin's tragedy, establishing the world government as the big evil villain, the greatest obstacle on our heroes' path, and introducing the massive lore connected to all that.
And yet there was plenty of time to devote to Usopp's personal drama about being robbed first and losing the merry immediately after. It was a highly irrational and childish reaction on his part, and it threw a big wrench in the gears of the crew, complicating things for them, but an extremely believable and moving one for sure and it just kept going on along to the main plot bringing about a fundamental growth for the character Usopp and highlighting all the other crew members' feelings about his action. Meanwhile we also got the Franky storyline and even a bit of Chopper's.
So there isn't really any reason for not devoting not one chapter, but an entire subplot to Sanji dealing with the hunger in Wano because that's what I'm expecting from Sanji on a famined island after 20+ years of following his adventures. İf it's missing, anyone who cares about the character is bound to be disappointed.
Same goes with Jimbe, who is a very bland and overall badly written character, but at least always made clear one thing and that is disliking slavery, so i would expect there being a giant note in front of Oda's desk saying "chubby fish is not cool with there being a child soldier clone of him, or of anyone for that matter". İt clearly isn't there and that denotes nothing but lack of a care that was once there.The Water7-Enies Lobby saga is also one of the longest stories in the series, with nearly 130 chapters of content. Now imagine doing that when you have several more characters, primary and secondary. Corners have to be cut.
Never mind that according to Oda, Water 7 was originally about Merry/Usopp and Franky. Robin's subplot was entirely non-planned (or at least was not planned to be tackled there) and even Lucci wasn't meant to be an antagonist until he suddenly was.
Essentially, by doing exactly what you suggested, we ended up with a massive story that rivals Wano in lenght, but with 1/5 of the characters.
And you still have people clamoring for an 11th Strawhat.
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RE: Chapter 1107: I've Been Looking For You!!
@The-Light-of-Shandora said in Chapter 1107: I've Been Looking For You!!:
I am still hoping for Teach being somehow related to the Buccaneers. Maybe the secret to them will be explored not with Kuma but with Teach, also with Vegapunk close to his death, I belief he won't be able to tell us what's special about them. Either Kuma will be able to talk and answer questions like he was prior to his "death".
That doesn't make sense since Saturn appears to know what Blackbeard is, and he still refers to Kuma as the last buccaneer.
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RE: Chapter 1107: I've Been Looking For You!!
@Razh said in Chapter 1107: I've Been Looking For You!!:
@King-Cannon That's borderline victim blaming. Aren't Oda and his paid editors the ones who decide what gets in?
You don't just decide to make one of main characters Wanoan, and then go so far to make his family a big deal and then just fail to do anything meaningful for the character with it.
But that's hardly the only thing that got inexplicably skipped over in Wano arc.
Oda has to read every fan letter I believe, so if people kept writing about it, he likely felt forced to clarify it. In the end, he is the one who has to dedicate the little time he has reading dozens of letters and then choosing what gets published.
And again, Zoro is not Wanoan. He merely has some Wanoan ancestry, which by itself is not special since everybody in his village does.
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Wano Country Arc by Panel Time
Now that Wano has ended and many people have voiced their pros and cons about the arc, I thought this would be an interesting thing to post here, because it gives an idea about where Oda concentrated his writing and drawing efforts while he developed this particular storyline.
THE TOP 50 CHARACTERS IN ALL OF WANO WITH THE MOST APPEARANCES
Monkey D. Luffy - 1689 Kaido - 989 Roronoa Zoro - 922 Kin'emon - 684 Kozuki Momonosuke - 674 Sanji - 573 O-Kiku - 484 Yamato - 479 Charlotte Linlin (Big Mom) - 471 Kozuki Oden - 458 Nami - 453 Kawamatsu - 431 Queen - 421 Trafalgar D. Water Law - 407 O-Tama - 400 Kozuki Hiyori - 357 Raizo - 353 Nico Robin - 345 Eustass Kid - 340 Kurozumi Orochi - 339 Usopp - 330 Denjiro - 320 Tony Tony Chopper - 319 Shinobu - 306 Franky - 305 Inuarashi - 302 Hyogoro - 285 Nekomamushi - 271 Ashura Doji - 270 King - 268 Kurozumi Kanjuro - 258 Napoleon - 253 Brook - 223 Komachiyo - 190 Jinbe - 188 Basil Hawkins - 187 Killer - 185 Marco - 169 Ulti - 149 Izo - 145 O-Toko - 144 X Drake - 142 Shimotsuki Yasuie - 141 Kozuki Sukiyaki - 131 Black Maria - 119 Thousand Sunny - 118 Sasaki - 118 Scratchmen Apoo - 117 Page One - 116 Zeus - 112 ***RUNNER-UPS:*** Onimaru - 107 Who's Who - 105 Carrot - 104 Kozuki Toki - 103 Gol D. Roger - 96 Jack - 95 Prometheus - 82 Gama Pyonnosuke - 82 Aramaki (Ryokugyu) - 80 O-Tsuru - 79 Fukurokuju - 78 (Eye-Scar CP0 Member) - 76 Speed - 74 Edward Newgate (Whitebeard) - 74 Babanuki - 66
The methodology is all explained in the reddit thread. Credit to Chris_Mic: https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/wvkjan/a_comprehensive_breakdown_of_wanos_panels/
Personally, I was surprised about how well Kiku ranked, and that Aramaki managed to get that high despite being in just 3 or so chapters, to the point of surpassing Fukurokuju.
UPDATE:
I also found this quite old list from the now defunct Oro Jackson that includes panel time from chapters 1 to 908. If anyone wants to do the math with how it adds up with the above, be my guest.
Monkey D. Luffy - 15147 Nami - 7302 Sanji - 6636 Usopp - 6552 Roronoa Zoro - 6307 Tony Tony Chopper - 4638 Nico Robin - 3566 Franky - 2966 Brook - 1968 Nefertari Vivi - 1588 Trafalgar Law - 1476 Jinbe - 1084 Donquixote Doflamingo - 1031 Portgas D. Ace - 856 Crocodile - 830 Rob Lucci - 795 Buggy - 772 Charlotte Linlin - 660 Bentham - 656 Caesar Clown - 646 Kin'emon - 625 Kyros - 607 Enel - 600 Kaku - 589 Rebecca - 550 Carrot - 549 Smoker - 529 Arlong - 527 Charlotte Katakuri - 517 Hatchan/Iceburg - 508 Tashigi - 493 Kalifa - 483 Paulie - 468 Sabo - 425 Wiper - 422 Oars - 406 Galdino - 405 Hody Jones - 403 Shirahoshi - 400 Capone Bege - 394 Blueno - 385 Edward Newgate - 384 Charlotte Pudding - 376 Keimi - 373 Spandam - 369 Emporio Ivankov - 360 Pedro - 357 Don Krieg - 354 Gan Fall - 348 Boa Hancock/ Bartolomeo - 347
From here: https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/ae53et/top_50_characters_with_most_manga_panels_time/
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RE: Chapter 1079: The Emperor's Crew, the Red-Haired Pirates
@Robby said in Chapter 1079: The Emperor's Crew, the Red-Haired Pirates:
You can say the same for Buggy, blower-upper of cities. Or Crocodile, genocider of kingdoms. And Ceaser Clown, poisoner of children. Wapol became a man that gets peed on by dogs. Enel started playing with robot teddy bears. And now n this very arc, murder machine Lucchi is being pulled into face faults.
All the bad people get toned down in Luffy's presence after they stop being a threat and made into jokes that ignore the horrible things they done.
Doesn't mean Kidd is "not actually that bad". It just means that Luffy is on camera and nothing truly bad can happen while the audience is watching.
Bege has stabbed a subordinate in the eye, almost killed Pekoms and attempted to assassinate someone with deadly poison, even roping the SH into it, yet he gets off mostly scot-free.
Honestly, I don't think Oda cares if Kid has done bad things or whatever. Bartolomeo was going around making barbecue out of people, yet he's not particularly treated badly for it.
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RE: Chapter 1090: Kizaru
@Alfiere said in Chapter 1090: Kizaru:
If I had to pick only one major criticism to the writing of post timeskip One Piece that rises above all the others, I think it would be characters almost never acting coherently with their previously established characterization, always following instead the path of less resistance for the plot to stay on tracks and the planned events to happen.
So before this we had for example Luffy declaring he wanted to take the emperors down and taking territories while pre-time skip he made a big declaration in front of an approving Rayleigh that he didn't want to dominate on anybody and just wanted the most freedom, or the crew accepting and going along the Big mom assassination plan, or the famine in Wano never being a major point for Sanji, only because he already had his spotlight, or Kid and Law, who had dick measuring consests with Luffy on stuff like dodging fire blasts or jumping from waterfalls, just willingly step aside for Luffy to fight the big boss all on his own, and now all this we just discussed.
It makes incredibly hard to care for any of these characters because it breaks the illusion of them being actual people.one can relate to and exposes them as simply plot devices for the intended thing to happen.
Those are pretty minor points, and in somecases don't contradict prior charcterization. Sure Luffy wants to have the most freedom, but turns out that when the Emperors restrain freedom, you have to take them down and protect your territories so they also don't get freedom-restricted. If anything, pre-timeskip Luffy was rather naive as he didn't know how the New World functioned, but his desire for ultimate freedom is still there, Nika being the culmination of it.
And it's not like any of the things you mentioned weren't acknowledged at all. Sanji DID get angry after learning about the SMILE, but it's not like you can dedicate a whole chapter about his reactions since there are many other characters that have their own thoughts about it as well. Sanji for example did step up when Page One started rampaging on food stands because he felt responsible for it, so that's enough of a moment for him.
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RE: Chapter 1109: Interception
@Captain-M said in Chapter 1109: Interception:
Unfortunately, no, we cannot. If it's morning on Egghead it can be dawn on Dressrosa, just before dawn at Marie Geoise and late at night in the second half of Paradise for Water Seven and Kamabakka, there's no way it makes sense for it to be day in the East Blue and night in the West Blue. Oof, we were so close. But Oda's time zones are busted.
If you put the sunlines just a few milimeters to the right, it could make sense. We could assume Foosha and that West Blue Nation are closer to the Red Line and the sun is just a bit past Reverse Mountain to get both Foosha (at late noon) and Dressrosa (at early dawn).
Oda has made some maps of the East Blue before but it's obvious they've never been to scale. And we can assume that the first 5 Straw Hats just sailed through a tiny portion of their sea.
One possible evidence that Goa is not close to the Mary Geoise portion of the Red Line is that Sterry went to Loguetown pre-Reverie, so it must have been close enough to his kingdom to make the detour worth it. I doubt his escort would allow him to use the Reverse Mountain route.
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RE: The next arc: what will it be?
@Captain-M You forgot a small panel of the island right next to Vergo using Geppou.
It's very clearly a flat island, even though the finalized Dressrosa has large rocky borders that hide the island's interior.
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RE: Chapter 1110: Starfall
@Deicide said in Chapter 1110: Starfall:
@The-Light-of-Shandora
Flashbacks in coverstories:- As @Captain-M pointed out, Germa’s cover story had the MADS segment.
- Hachi’s had one cover of him remembering his child years with Chew and Kuroobi.
- Enel’s had the little robots’ remembering their origin
- If I’m not mistaken, Jinbe’s cover had the sea beasts remembering the incident that caused their rampage
There are probably others, I pulled these from memory.
Even then, Zoro visiting Ryuma's grave feels like something Zoro should record about himself instead of a third-party.
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RE: Dragonball Discussion Kai: Broly but this time it's not Broly
Oh wow, RIP to a massive legend.
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RE: Chapter 1109: Interception
Nika is more of a classic Daffy Duck to be honest.
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RE: Chapter 1109: Interception
@Deicide said in Chapter 1109: Interception:
He can have an awakened Devil Fruit AND some other new power system on top of it. I don't see how that's far-fetched. He has shown a lot of psychic-like abilities that seem divorced from his zoan form.
This is like when we were pre-timeskip and haki was introduced. Devil Fruits aren't the only possible explanation for weird phenomena, and it's not like we haven't seen some sort of psychic powers or magic before, they just weren't as powerful.
Oda has already gone on record in discarding magic existing, as he wants DFs to remain the closest thing to it.
That said, the Elders' abilities could very well be just technological in nature. We know Vegapunk can teleport too, and rather casually, so a form of warp tech exists. And the regeneration could be an application of the organoid tech Vegapunk has stored in his lab.
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RE: Chapter 1109: Interception
Yeah, Oda usually doesn't name the first installment nowadays, likely to keep us guessing who's gonna star in it (although in Bege and Germa's case, it was obvious).
In this case, there are many characters that have an association with Onigashima, including Momo just dropping it from above.
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RE: Chapter 1109: Interception
@black-leg-jex said in Chapter 1109: Interception:
@Deicide said in Chapter 1109: Interception:
@Cockycent my guess is that the Blackbeard Pirates gave abducted the Seraphim by now. They could even have abducted York as well, but I feel Stussy is guarding her in the control room, while waiting for comms to take down the barrier so the crew escapes.
I don't think they did. How would they have even snuck them out? I think the Seraphim are just in the basement still, and York is still with kaku in the Labophase.
Stussy is a weird one though. Lucci took her out. We saw her collapse. I originally thought that Nami et al had taken her with them because of a panel in 1094, but actually that's Robin they took and Oda just forgot to colour her hair in (middle panel here: https://www.viz.com/shonenjump/one-piece-chapter-1094/chapter/40395?action=read).So did they just abandon Stussy in the lab? That doesn't seem like something Vegapunk or the crew would do. But it would be weird if she was up and find, given the last thing we saw from her was that she got stabbed in the gut by Lucci, who was going in for a killing blow. And I can't imagine Oda would've actually killed her off then and there. It would feel like a waste of a character.
I think Augur could have warped them out, but that would also require them knowing about the secret underground lab somehow. Not many people know about it and there was no way for someone on the outside to know the Seraphim were there to begin with.
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RE: Chapter 1109: Interception
@Captain-M said in Chapter 1109: Interception:
@King-Cannon That's true. And it's definitely possible Egghead is closer still to the end of the first half, right next to where it curves around and starts going south. That would allow a little more room for a corner of the west to be in darkness and a section of the east illuminated. It's tight, but it could work. Maybe I need to revise the verdict to plausible.
I'm not sure whether tilt and curvature would help or hinder this thinking. I've basically done a 50/50, 12 hour split of day and night in my super rough, not-to-scale format but in the real world those factors can result in days or nights up to 18 hours depending on the time of year, and at the poles, nonstop periods of one or the other. A more advanced model of the globe could probably finagle it, but I threw this together in a couple of hours with Photoshop.
Don't worry about it. Scale is always a bitch to deal with, and writers without a good sense of math like Oda tend to struggle more than others, let alone with other astronomical intricacies included. And your model is very useful as well, since we had a similar talk in the spoiler thread.
We also don't know how much ground the SH tend to clear in their voyages. I can believe they only scoured a fragment of the East Blue because the Going Merry is not a big ship. There's also stuff like the SH taking weeks to reach Zou from Dressrosa, but for all we know, they could have gone in circles because of either Zunesha also going in circles or the Barto Club's incompetency, meaning Dressrosa could very well be a few days from where they are.
At the very least, there is a way for your model to make sense, with a few assumptions so Oda probably thought this over more than we give him credit for.
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RE: Chapter 1109: Interception
@Captain-M said in Chapter 1109: Interception:
Unfortunately, no, we cannot. If it's morning on Egghead it can be dawn on Dressrosa, just before dawn at Marie Geoise and late at night in the second half of Paradise for Water Seven and Kamabakka, there's no way it makes sense for it to be day in the East Blue and night in the West Blue. Oof, we were so close. But Oda's time zones are busted.
If you put the sunlines just a few milimeters to the right, it could make sense. We could assume Foosha and that West Blue Nation are closer to the Red Line and the sun is just a bit past Reverse Mountain to get both Foosha (at late noon) and Dressrosa (at early dawn).
Oda has made some maps of the East Blue before but it's obvious they've never been to scale. And we can assume that the first 5 Straw Hats just sailed through a tiny portion of their sea.
One possible evidence that Goa is not close to the Mary Geoise portion of the Red Line is that Sterry went to Loguetown pre-Reverie, so it must have been close enough to his kingdom to make the detour worth it. I doubt his escort would allow him to use the Reverse Mountain route.
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RE: Chapter 1109: Interception
@Deicide said in Chapter 1109: Interception:
Mind you, we've seen magic in One Piece before. Hawkins' powers can't be explained by his DF alone. Think about how he can seal others' lives into his straw puppets to ward off damage from himself. Or how his wickerman gains new powers as he draws cards.
For Hawkins, the damage redirection just seems like a general property of his straws. All his moves have it, like when Zoro cut the Straw Man demon and that caused damaged to Hawkins. It's all based on the hour of the ox ritual.
The card powers are probably just coincidences of fate (like how he predicted someone assisting Luffy, which turned out be just Tsuru) or stuff Hawkins does in accordance, although it's intriguing that he can make them float.
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RE: Chapter 1109: Interception
@Deicide said in Chapter 1109: Interception:
I made this calculation in Twitter to show how absurd would be Dragon coming: Let's pretend OP world has Earth's circunference (40,075 km). Suppose Egghead is near the mid point of New World, so from Mary Geoise to there you travel 1/4 of the circunference (10,018.75 km). To reach there in 10 min, you need to move at 60,112.5 km/h, or 37,352.18 miles/h.
That's over Mach 48! Since people expect Dragon to have wind powers: the fastest recorded wind on Earth reached just 253 miles/h. In the whole solar system, the fastest estimated wind was in Neptune, reaching 1,600 miles/h.
This goes without saying and I don't expect Dragon to show up anyway, but Oda is not beholden to normal physics, otherwise Kizaru would be impossible to react to.
He could definitely make Dragon move at absurdly fast speeds if he so wanted. If anything, it would be the impressive feat that Dragon could use at some point