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Chapter 1079: The Emperor's Crew, the Red-Haired Pirates
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@Deicide said in Chapter 1079: The Emperor's Crew, the Red-Haired Pirates:
Í agree, because I feel cheated that York was shown during the sabotage, making her an unlikely culprit. I'd like to have some answers about that.
It's possible the shields went down because of Caribou, who was trying to get out of the dome.
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@Robby said in Chapter 1079: The Emperor's Crew, the Red-Haired Pirates:
@Riddler said in Chapter 1079: The Emperor's Crew, the Red-Haired Pirates:
While Kidd has never been portrayed as the most likable character in the story, he was also never exactly depicted as someone we are supposed to hate
He crucified civilians and got a high bounty for hurting people.
He's always been an unlikeable ass. Oda just dediced back on Sabondy that he liked the design and he'd be a good rival... not anticipating how much Law was going to take the fandom.
I'm not conflicted at all, I hope Kidd is dead. I wish he'd died against Big Mom or Kaidou to raise the stakes. But OP is OP so he's fine.
That's absolutely true, I'm not denying that he was portrayed as an ass for the most part. What I was trying to say is that Oda never put Kidd in the position of a straight-up villain, which he could have. Kidd was always the most brutal and seemingly evil of the Supernovas from the start, but whenever he and Luffy collided, both in Sabaody and in Wano, he was instead always pushed into the role of hesitant ally to the main character instead of villainous force.
And despite your own feelings for the character - and on a sidenote, I don't particularly care for Kidd either, though I always liked Killer - he is pretty popular. I was more commenting on what the I feel the general reaction in the fandom to this chapter is supposed to be, and I think that is supposed to be conflicted. And look at the discussions here and in the spoiler thread - people are conflicted about the chapter! Some people think Shanks and the Giants were in the right and Kidd got what he deserved, some feel like Shanks was unneccesarily cruel and a bully and that it would have been enough to beat up Kidd and then let him and his crew leave, and others can see both sides.
People in the spoiler thread at parts implied that this was due to bad writing on Oda's part, i. e. that the Giants' and Shanks' actions should have been either made more understandable or less severe, but as I said, I think the situation is supposed to be morally ambigious by design.
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How is there any discussion about Kidd's role in the story? What's it supposed to be? He doesn't have a ship, his Road Ponegliffs are gone, his crew went swimming, the narrator's box said they're destroyed. The end.
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I don't think it's morally ambiguous at all. Shanks is depicted as a superhero saving his buddies from a ruthless villain who doesn't hesitate to mercilessly kill them despite acknowledging that they're just a bunch of losers.I simply don't enjoy the writing here. If a character has had such a big role in the previous arc, he shouldn't be taken out like a complete rookie. It feels like a slap in the face to anyone who felt invested in Kid and Killer's development in Wano.
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@Barkworm This is completely ignoring Kidd's and Killer's characterization in the last arc as semi-allies who would die for each other and have a deep bond and friendship. Readers aren't that forgetful and as I said, the character has his fair share of fans (also, seriously, am I the only one here who likes Killer and wouldn't want him to die? Maybe it's because I've just reread the chapter where he defeats Hawkins, that was a pretty awesome moment for him).
If this wasn't meant to be seen as morally ambiguous, then why end with Kidd's crew begging Shanks to spare their captain's life, invoking sympathy for them, instead of, you know, portraying them as murderous assholes that need to be put down?
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@Barkworm said in Chapter 1079: The Emperor's Crew, the Red-Haired Pirates:
How is there any discussion about Kidd's role in the story? What's it supposed to be? He doesn't have a ship, his Road Ponegliffs are gone, his crew went swimming, the narrator's box said they're destroyed. The end.
I simply don't enjoy the writing here. If a character has had such a big role in the previous arc, he shouldn't be taken out like a complete rookie. It feels like a slap in the face to anyone who felt invested in Kid and Killer's development in Wano.
I mean, those two paragraphs more or less answer each other.
If Oda was planning for this to be the end of Kid's role, it's unlikely he would've made him as important during Wano. Kid could've just gone away after being freed by Luffy at Udon in that case.
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In the same theoretical bar situation with jerks laughing and spitting on you:
Luffy takes after his idol and takes it like a bitch cause "It's not that big a deal" even when they start actively beating you.
Law is the guy that would just leave, cause it's not worth his time or energy.
Kidd is the guy that would be a man and beat the shit out of the jerks at the first laugh.
I like their dynamic and I find it way more enjoyable than getting invested in Shanks or Blackbeard, who should both be retired or dead by the end of the series. I personally would've already had Shanks dead by now, but I guess we had to wait so Film Red could get so much circulation.
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Not that bounties matter plot-wise but this chapter is another reminder for me that Luffy not having a much higher bounty than Kid and Law is ridiculous.
His mastery of the 3 colors of Haki is on a complete other level. Kid had no shot against someone with an advanced CoO that made his best attack explode right in his face.
And that's not even taking into consideration him having the biggest achievement in Wano, the crew/allies he commands and his fruit being feared by the WG.
For his fighting skills alone, he should be worth more than the other 2 and CP0 witnessed the Wano fights. And I doubt there will be another update to correct that before the final update in the end.
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Big Mom + Kaido = 8,999 billion
Luffy + Law + Kid = (8,999 + 1) / 3.The logic the WG deployed was clearly that. They won't go around analyzing footage to determine who is stronger, feats, etc. etc. before issuing a bounty. A bounty raise is not an award that has to be rightfully earned.
All the WG care is the three of them took the 2 Emperors out, so they equally share a bounty that is immediately above the 2 Emperors combined.This is not even the first time. Both Luffy and Law left Dressrosa with the same bounty - 500 billion - even though Luffy was the one to take Doffy out (because all the WG care about is that their alliance defeated Doflamingo, not who did 70% of the work and who did 30%).
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@access-timeco said in Chapter 1079: The Emperor's Crew, the Red-Haired Pirates:
Big Mom + Kaido = 8,999 billion
Luffy + Law + Kid = (8,999 + 1) / 3.The logic the WG deployed was clearly that. They won't go around analyzing footage to determine who is stronger, feats, etc. etc. before issuing a bounty. A bounty raise is not an award that has to be rightfully earned.
All the WG care is the three of them took the 2 Emperors out, so they equally share a bounty that is immediately above the 2 Emperors combined.This is not even the first time. Both Luffy and Law left Dressrosa with the same bounty - 500 billion - even though Luffy was the one to take Doffy out (because all the WG care about is that their alliance defeated Doflamingo, not who did 70% of the work and who did 30%).
Oh, this is a good take. It's easy to forget that the reader's perspective and a characters perspective might not be the same.
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Yeah. The WG is not sending men with saiyan scouters to gauge power levels. They all just base themselves on rumors or whatever Apoo made up.
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@Marcotty I still like Blackbeard, though my faith in Oda has been wavering, which if you had told me that just 30 chapters ago I wouldn't have believed it. Admittedly, I've been on some copium for a while before that, but yeah Blackbeard remains on my nice list.
I don't know if this chapter's scene made the Ryokugyu one look less like Film Red wanking and "obnoxiously cool" is just how Oda writes Shanks, or if this is just more Film Red wanking.
Either way, I would have been fine with this being Kid's last dance if he got at least a fight, like Law got vs Blackbeard. Make Shanks look cool, but make Kid look cool too. How hard can that be?
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@Riddler said in Chapter 1079: The Emperor's Crew, the Red-Haired Pirates:
@Robby said in Chapter 1079: The Emperor's Crew, the Red-Haired Pirates:
@Riddler said in Chapter 1079: The Emperor's Crew, the Red-Haired Pirates:
While Kidd has never been portrayed as the most likable character in the story, he was also never exactly depicted as someone we are supposed to hate
He crucified civilians and got a high bounty for hurting people.
He's always been an unlikeable ass. Oda just dediced back on Sabondy that he liked the design and he'd be a good rival... not anticipating how much Law was going to take the fandom.
I'm not conflicted at all, I hope Kidd is dead. I wish he'd died against Big Mom or Kaidou to raise the stakes. But OP is OP so he's fine.
That's absolutely true, I'm not denying that he was portrayed as an ass for the most part. What I was trying to say is that Oda never put Kidd in the position of a straight-up villain, which he could have. Kidd was always the most brutal and seemingly evil of the Supernovas from the start, but whenever he and Luffy collided,
You can say the same for Buggy, blower-upper of cities. Or Crocodile, genocider of kingdoms. And Ceaser Clown, poisoner of children. Wapol became a man that gets peed on by dogs. Enel started playing with robot teddy bears. And now n this very arc, murder machine Lucchi is being pulled into face faults.
All the bad people get toned down in Luffy's presence after they stop being a threat and made into jokes that ignore the horrible things they done.
Doesn't mean Kidd is "not actually that bad". It just means that Luffy is on camera and nothing truly bad can happen while the audience is watching.
ome people think Shanks and the Giants were in the right and Kidd got what he deserved, some feel like Shanks was unneccesarily cruel and a bully and that it would have been enough to beat up Kidd and then let him and his crew leave, and others can see both sides.
Kidd was literally seconds away from murdering a bunch of defenseless people that did nothing to him. In a fight HE started. Its WHY Shanks 1-shot him.
There's no sympathy to be found here. Kidd 100% deserved to be wrecked and was completely in the wrong.
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@fana said in [Chapter 1079:
For his fighting skills alone, he should be worth more than the other 2 and CP0 witnessed the Wano fights. And I doubt there will be another update to correct that before the final update in the end.
Government doesn't have 100% intel on who did what (note that Chopper's bounty is still pocket change).
But even if Luffy's specific bounty isn't sky high, the combined crew IS. Most of the other supernova crews have had a captain and maybe a vice captain with a bounty, and that's it. Luffy's entire crew has one, and it includes a former warlord and a ponegylph reader.
The entire crew (except Chopper) got 300 million raises after Wano. Zoro, Sanji and Jinbe are all in the billlon club now,a number we hadn't even seen in the series two arcs ago. And Robin is just shy of that with her 800 million increase.
The 8 billon total is certainly worth something,
Especially since, given what Roger's bounty is, and the gomu pun, Luffy's final bounty will doubtless be 5.6 billion.
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Man I loved this chapter! I loved the way Shanks manhandled Kidd and I like how the giants just decimated the crew and ship. Good riddance to bad rubbish I say. The only thing I didn't particularly like was Shanks checking in to see if Kidd's crew was recovered from Wano. Yeah yeah "honorable warrior" and all that.
Kidd didn't get a chance to fire his weapon but he had it loaded and ready to go. With or without future sight that was enough to justify Shanks' actions as well as Dorry and Broggy in my book. The Kidd pirates love to bully when they can and when the tables get turned hard they want to hold up the white flag. F and U Kidd. This isn't the first time the Red Hairs crossed with the Kidds. Do the Red Hairs just allow them to leave and regroup later? The Kidd's have already proven to be the types that'll do it. The Kidd pirates played a game that I see up and down the street all the time. This time wasn't no body playing back. They eF'd around and found out.
I don't particularly care for too many groups or individual characters in the way that I do the Straw Hats but I understand how some would hate this outcome for Kidd. However with One Piece being One Piece I can't imagine Kidd or Killer actually dying. Maybe the others actually do but I don't see it. This looks to me like Kidd getting set up for another role within the story at an island we are near certain to visit relatively soon. Kidd is humbled, out of the pirate king running but gets involved in a new direction.
I really didn't expect this though. Since Kidd and Killer were given a decent amount of development just last arc I thought they were sailing with at least the breast plate of the Straw Hat's plot armor. To see that ship split in half coupled with the narrators box is a scene with some weight. Surprised the ship out of me.
Now with all that said I can't wait for Black Beard to put Shanks and the gang down. They've had it too good for too long!
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What are the chances we'll actually get to see Black Beard and Shanks crews go toe to toe? I mean I know we'll get to see what Black Beards Ten Titanic Captains are capable of once they fight the Straw Hats but it would be nice to see Shanks crew members get at least one fight in even if they lose
not putting much hope in it though
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I think at some point we'll get a satisfying fight between the crews. Not in the vein of the Straw Hat's multi-chapter fights but I think we'll get something pretty decent to set the Black Beards up as the ultimate obstacle some day. Enough to keep us happy but also guessing and discussing. Happy lol
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I hope your right, it would be a shame if we never got to see them in action
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@Robby said in Chapter 1079: The Emperor's Crew, the Red-Haired Pirates:
You can say the same for Buggy, blower-upper of cities. Or Crocodile, genocider of kingdoms. And Ceaser Clown, poisoner of children. Wapol became a man that gets peed on by dogs. Enel started playing with robot teddy bears. And now n this very arc, murder machine Lucchi is being pulled into face faults.
All the bad people get toned down in Luffy's presence after they stop being a threat and made into jokes that ignore the horrible things they done.
Doesn't mean Kidd is "not actually that bad". It just means that Luffy is on camera and nothing truly bad can happen while the audience is watching.
Bege has stabbed a subordinate in the eye, almost killed Pekoms and attempted to assassinate someone with deadly poison, even roping the SH into it, yet he gets off mostly scot-free.
Honestly, I don't think Oda cares if Kid has done bad things or whatever. Bartolomeo was going around making barbecue out of people, yet he's not particularly treated badly for it.
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But those were enemies at the time. Its okay to do bad things to enemies.
Attacking helpless sideliners is not cool and is a badguy move.
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Imagine being in Kid's crew.
You have sick Alice Cooper aesthetic. You spent god knows how many hours jury rigging a dinosaur skeleton into a boat. You completely fuck up anyone who looks at your captain wrong.
You arrive at Sabaody easily the most valuable crew among the Supernovas. You survive an attack from multiple Pacifistas and goddamn Kizaru. You get to be the peanut gallery for Marineford.
You storm the New World, crucifying everyone in your way.
Life is grand.
And then your fucking captain points a gun at someone under the direct protection of a walking warzone.
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There's actually two parallels to Luffy in this chapter.
Kidd's crew getting annihilated has a very similar narration box to the one when the Straw Hats got annihilated, and the scene with Shanks staring down at an unconscious Kidd that he just one-shotted looks very similar to when Kaido did it to Luffy. Maybe Kidd's glaring too.I don't think Kidd is supposed to be a particularly despiceable character. All the Supernovas are edgelords and characters like Bartolomeo aren't really any better than him. What matters more to me is that he's never had a villainous role. In fact, in one way or another he's always been an ally, and in Wano we were clearly supposed to care/cheer for him and Killer.
There are some hints that this might lead to something, but as of now I still think it's more likely that Kidd's out of the running and that's it.
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@Robby said in Chapter 1079: The Emperor's Crew, the Red-Haired Pirates:
But those were enemies at the time. Its okay to do bad things to enemies.
Attacking helpless sideliners is not cool and is a badguy move.
We have literally seen Luffy do the same thing re:Charlos and Hatchan!
Like, the internal morality of One Piece has always had an undercurrent of "don't fuck around and you won't have to find out." Kid fucked around, Kid found out.
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Kidd will be back, I just hope he won't be messing with the grand scheme of things, looking for revenge on Shanks, but instead rather help out Luffy if anything. I have to say that I never really liked the guy.
However, considering we are told over and over again how this is the new generation and shown that Kidd doesn't give up. I think it is safe to say he hasn't given up on becoming a pirate king. That is why I preferred the first spoilers that said something along lines of "This is the day that ended Kidds race for the Pirate King". That would be way better and more dramatic.
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@Robby said in Chapter 1079: The Emperor's Crew, the Red-Haired Pirates:
@Riddler said in Chapter 1079: The Emperor's Crew, the Red-Haired Pirates:
@Robby said in Chapter 1079: The Emperor's Crew, the Red-Haired Pirates:
@Riddler said in Chapter 1079: The Emperor's Crew, the Red-Haired Pirates:
While Kidd has never been portrayed as the most likable character in the story, he was also never exactly depicted as someone we are supposed to hate
He crucified civilians and got a high bounty for hurting people.
He's always been an unlikeable ass. Oda just dediced back on Sabondy that he liked the design and he'd be a good rival... not anticipating how much Law was going to take the fandom.
I'm not conflicted at all, I hope Kidd is dead. I wish he'd died against Big Mom or Kaidou to raise the stakes. But OP is OP so he's fine.
That's absolutely true, I'm not denying that he was portrayed as an ass for the most part. What I was trying to say is that Oda never put Kidd in the position of a straight-up villain, which he could have. Kidd was always the most brutal and seemingly evil of the Supernovas from the start, but whenever he and Luffy collided,
You can say the same for Buggy, blower-upper of cities. Or Crocodile, genocider of kingdoms. And Ceaser Clown, poisoner of children. Wapol became a man that gets peed on by dogs. Enel started playing with robot teddy bears. And now n this very arc, murder machine Lucchi is being pulled into face faults.
All the bad people get toned down in Luffy's presence after they stop being a threat and made into jokes that ignore the horrible things they done.
Doesn't mean Kidd is "not actually that bad". It just means that Luffy is on camera and nothing truly bad can happen while the audience is watching.
ome people think Shanks and the Giants were in the right and Kidd got what he deserved, some feel like Shanks was unneccesarily cruel and a bully and that it would have been enough to beat up Kidd and then let him and his crew leave, and others can see both sides.
Kidd was literally seconds away from murdering a bunch of defenseless people that did nothing to him. In a fight HE started. Its WHY Shanks 1-shot him.
There's no sympathy to be found here. Kidd 100% deserved to be wrecked and was completely in the wrong.
Thank you. I feel like I was going crazy.
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@Riddler said in Chapter 1079: The Emperor's Crew, the Red-Haired Pirates:
@Barkworm This is completely ignoring Kidd's and Killer's characterization in the last arc as semi-allies who would die for each other and have a deep bond and friendship. Readers aren't that forgetful and as I said, the character has his fair share of fans (also, seriously, am I the only one here who likes Killer and wouldn't want him to die? Maybe it's because I've just reread the chapter where he defeats Hawkins, that was a pretty awesome moment for him).
If this wasn't meant to be seen as morally ambiguous, then why end with Kidd's crew begging Shanks to spare their captain's life, invoking sympathy for them, instead of, you know, portraying them as murderous assholes that need to be put down?
Maybe we're talking past each other but that's basically my complaint: I really liked the Kid Pirates! That's why I didn't want them to go out this way.
You're right, the end is debatable. Giving them the finishing blow after they have already forfeited makes Shanks look unnecessarily cruel. But before that there were at least five different lines and panels that were supposed to make him seem like a complete saint. As I said, I didn't enjoy the writing here.
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@Robby said in Chapter 1079: The Emperor's Crew, the Red-Haired Pirates:
@Riddler said in Chapter 1079: The Emperor's Crew, the Red-Haired Pirates:
@Robby said in Chapter 1079: The Emperor's Crew, the Red-Haired Pirates:
@Riddler said in Chapter 1079: The Emperor's Crew, the Red-Haired Pirates:
While Kidd has never been portrayed as the most likable character in the story, he was also never exactly depicted as someone we are supposed to hate
He crucified civilians and got a high bounty for hurting people.
He's always been an unlikeable ass. Oda just dediced back on Sabondy that he liked the design and he'd be a good rival... not anticipating how much Law was going to take the fandom.
I'm not conflicted at all, I hope Kidd is dead. I wish he'd died against Big Mom or Kaidou to raise the stakes. But OP is OP so he's fine.
That's absolutely true, I'm not denying that he was portrayed as an ass for the most part. What I was trying to say is that Oda never put Kidd in the position of a straight-up villain, which he could have. Kidd was always the most brutal and seemingly evil of the Supernovas from the start, but whenever he and Luffy collided,
You can say the same for Buggy, blower-upper of cities. Or Crocodile, genocider of kingdoms. And Ceaser Clown, poisoner of children. Wapol became a man that gets peed on by dogs. Enel started playing with robot teddy bears. And now n this very arc, murder machine Lucchi is being pulled into face faults.
All the bad people get toned down in Luffy's presence after they stop being a threat and made into jokes that ignore the horrible things they done.
Doesn't mean Kidd is "not actually that bad". It just means that Luffy is on camera and nothing truly bad can happen while the audience is watching.
What's the major difference between all of the characters you just mentioned and Kidd though? They all acted as the main big bad of an arc, they were all villains to the Strawhats that had to be defeated. If you asked any One Piece fan what kind of role Crocodile or Caesar or Enel has in the story of One Piece, most would answer "Oh, he was the main big bad of the Alabasta/Punk Hazard/Skypiea arc". Nobody would say the same about Kidd because even though he did some dastardly things on- and offscreen, he was never put into the role of a villain in the story. That's what I've been going on about, framing and portrayal. Those things are absolutely important in storytelling to manipulate how we feel about a character (and I don't mean that negatively - storytelling is all about manipulating how we feel about a situation or character). Despite his assholish behaviour, Kidd will be most remembered for his role as an ally during Wano, his at times touching relationship to his crew, particularly Killer, and his funny interactions with Luffy and Law. He's also brutal and merciless, as was shown in this very chapter, but he's also not exactly been depicted in the past as a character we are 100% meant to hate and want to see go down.
As for your second part about characters getting toned down in Luffys presence, I don't see how that's true at all. Luffy was present during all of the arcs in which these characters were the main villain, and they certainly weren't toned down in the slightest. I don't think Luffy's presence has anything to do with it, it has more to do with the fact that once their main role as arc villain was over, Oda did something different with them later on. That's different from Kidd though, who as I said never was an actual villain at any point in the story - though he certainly had the potential to be one, just like Bege had.
Also, I don't actually agree that most of these former villains have been softened up once they reappeared. Despite his pitiful cover story, Wapol was still a complete ass when he showed up again during the Reverie, as if he had learned absolutely nothing from his experience. Caesar, though he was forced to become an unwilling ally to the Strawhats and mostly turned into a comic relief character, never actually bonded with the Strawhats or became someone they cared about in any way. Just because we laugh at his misfortunes doesn't mean he has been softened up. The Strawhats have never forgotten the horrible things he did to those kids on Punk Hazard (thank you, Nami!) and he's always been portrayed as a selfish creep. He's definitely a love-to-hate type of character, but I can't think of a single scene where he actually displayed some decent behaviour or characteristics. The only major exception to this rule is Buggy, who I agree has been softened up consideringly after East Blue and who's villainous days feel long forgotten at this point.
ome people think Shanks and the Giants were in the right and Kidd got what he deserved, some feel like Shanks was unneccesarily cruel and a bully and that it would have been enough to beat up Kidd and then let him and his crew leave, and others can see both sides.
Kidd was literally seconds away from murdering a bunch of defenseless people that did nothing to him. In a fight HE started. Its WHY Shanks 1-shot him.
There's no sympathy to be found here. Kidd 100% deserved to be wrecked and was completely in the wrong.
Look, I'm not even disagreeing with that. This debate for me was never about questioning the morals of Shanks and the Giants actions - as I said in my first post on the topic, I think that debate is silly. My feelings on the topic are that what Shanks and the Giants did was completely fair game in the Pirate game, especially considering the situation and Kidd's personality and reputation. And in a way, this was absolutely a karmic retribution for the things Kidd and his crew have done in the past. Yes, I think I would agree that Kidd to some extent deserved what he got.
But I couldn't help but nevertheless feel some pity for his crew when reading the chapter. What can I say? Even if on some logical level I can argue "Well, seeing as how they did things A and B in the past, this seems like a fair handling of the situation", they were still begging for mercy and then seconds later they got coldly obliterated. I just felt kinda sorry for them and I didn't exactly feel like cheering for their demise here. If you did, that's cool, I'm not trying to say such a reaction would be wrong or whatever. But you can't just say "that's the only possible way to react to and feel about this chapter" when there have been plenty of posters here and in the spoiler thread who reacted very differently to the chapter then you - heck, in the post above me for example, Barkworm said that he liked the Kidd pirates and didn't want to see them go down like this. I was just saying the chapter was deliberately designed in a way as to allow both reactions, or even have some readers (like myself) feel conflicted about it.
Or are you saying that everybody who has voiced sympathy for the Kidd pirates has just been arguing in bad faith? (And btw, since everybody keeps talking only about what Kidd deserves, I want to stress that Kidd is actually the person I felt the least sorry for on that ship, personally)
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It's not hard to see why one could end up feeling conflicted. I mean reading manga in general programs you to assume that shounen heroes will act by certain heroic standards, among those holding themselves to a higher standard of conduct than the bad guy. So it is just weird to see a guy you are supposed to see as at least slightly better than the rest of the cutthroats out there repaying evil with evil. It has little if anything to do with Kidd and his dick-etry, and a lot to do with how weird it feels when the mostly good guys mirror the bad guys in their behaviour.
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To which of course the standing reply is well they aren't saints. Which is fair. But not being saints never mentally clicked as a carte blanche for being needlessly cruel for me.
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@Captain-M Once again, video time. Break week eases some of the time pressure.
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@Robby said in Chapter 1079: The Emperor's Crew, the Red-Haired Pirates:
But even if Luffy's specific bounty isn't sky high, the combined crew IS. Most of the other supernova crews have had a captain and maybe a vice captain with a bounty, and that's it. Luffy's entire crew has one, and it includes a former warlord and a ponegylph reader.
That's precisely why Luffy's threat level is greater than the other two's and thus he should have a higher bounty.
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There is no question at all that Luffy's bounty should be way higher than Law's and Kidd's. Anything beyond 2 bills for each of them is excessive and anything below 4 bills is too low for Luffy at that point.
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now that i look back at it
it's kinda disappointing that luffy vs kidd is outta the window especially that they had a build up to it from way back
and it's also a bad look on shanks who didn't had the guts to hunt for the treasure until his main rivals got dethroned
he waited several years challenging neither of them then he demanded the copies from someone who had the guts and actually earned them
we deserved to see shanks versus a real yonko cuz all is left is an old enemy of his, old friend and another old friend
the standard to test his strength is gone, bullying a supernova ain't nothing new .
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You will get the long-awaited Shanks vs Buggy for Roger's legacy and you will love it !
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In the end, I think this chapter was also intended to show how much Shanks is like Roger: Super nice, fun-loving guy, but if you threaten his allies, you'll be completely destroyed. Remember that flashback where Garp reminisces how Roger once destroyed a country's army for insulting his crewmate? That's probably why Shanks uses an attack similar to Roger's here.
And of course, it's been pointed out before that the Redhair Pirates were just like that in the very first chapter. When their friends are in danger, they are demons. This is all consistent.
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@blue-san said in Chapter 1079: The Emperor's Crew, the Red-Haired Pirates:
There is no question at all that Luffy's bounty should be way higher than Law's and Kidd's. Anything beyond 2 bills for each of them is excessive and anything below 4 bills is too low for Luffy at that point.
Kaidou and Big Mom were in the 4 billion range. They had decades of reputation and controlled kingdoms.
Luffy can hang with those guys in a fight but can't decisively easily beat them. And even though we readers know he has allied kingdoms, the government doesn't yet.
When Fishman Island and Alabasta and Drum and Wano and Dresserossa all declare for Luffy, sure.
Also not counting the two year timeskip Luffy's been a pirate for like eight months. Luffy ain't there yet.
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@hideoushorrendous said in Chapter 1079: The Emperor's Crew, the Red-Haired Pirates:
and it's also a bad look on shanks who didn't had the guts to hunt for the treasure until his main rivals got dethroned
he waited several years challenging neither of them then he demanded the copies from someone who had the guts and actually earned themI'm actually glad to see my earlier take on Shanks confirmed:
@Seafarer33 said in Spoilers 1,076:
Shanks in chapter 1: I'll bet my arm the new generation can do all the hard work while I drink myself stupid on some island.
Shanks 1000 chapters later: time to reap.Which he just did. It doesn't disturb me, to be honest. The emperors seem to have been locked in a stalemate for over a decade, with each securing poneglyphs in their home turf where even another emperor would suffer substantial losses to reach. Then the fall of Whitebeard and the rise of the Supernova generation disturbed the balance of power, so it stands to reason that Shanks would seize the opportunity they created.
Besides, if one emperor could have been crazy enough to try a direct attack on another in order to steal their poneglyphs, it should have been Kaido. He's the one who is all about war. -
Just BTW, my argument earlier wasn't that Luffy's bounty should be higher than 3B but that Kidd and Law's should be lower. 3B is fine considering the other higher bounties.
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@fana Eh, Luffy is stronger than them, but the government doesn't want people to know how high he's risen. They didn't want anyone to see the Nika picture and they don't want his antics to spread. I get it.
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I believe why all three got the same amount js adding them up is 9 billion, like how Kaido and Big Mom would be 8 billion.
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I thought the point of giving them the same bounties as Luffy was to show that Black Beard and Shanks we’re still big threats once they beat them, so we didn’t think beating two villains with bigger bounties than them made them somehow less of a threat
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@FatDogForMidTerms said in Chapter 1079: The Emperor's Crew, the Red-Haired Pirates:
Thank you. I feel like I was going crazy.
Geez man, are you that insecure about your opinion? You keep seeking validation through this and the spoiler thread. You're not a lunatic for thinking Shanks was in the right.
You can just vote up a post you agree with too.
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Are we on break? I was hoping to get a sneak peek into spoilers for the next chapter.
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Barkworm
That's your taste
I would've much preferred Kamusari to be exclusive to Roger
Give Shanks his own identity, they already share a ton in common prior to this and now their abilities are the same too ?!
That's not how you handle a popular character, For that you go the extra mile every time. definitely not the case here.
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Since Roger is dead, it's inevitable Shanks will have his own exclusive moves.
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I doubt Shanks abilities will THAT developed. Maybe a few (very few) named attacks.
He's unlikely to get a "real" multi-chapter fight. He's going to fall to some major villain in order to hype/confirm the later's strength.
Think back on how little someone as big as Whitebeard got. Not even a single named attack. And he even got a whole arc to show off.
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@Deicide That's more because Whitebeard was not the kind to call out attacks.
Which Shanks isn't going by this chapter.
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@hideoushorrendous said in Chapter 1079: The Emperor's Crew, the Red-Haired Pirates:
Barkworm
That's your taste
I would've much preferred Kamusari to be exclusive to Roger
Give Shanks his own identity, they already share a ton in common prior to this and now their abilities are the same too ?!
That's not how you handle a popular character, For that you go the extra mile every time. definitely not the case here.
I guess here it was just done to make a point (Roger and Shanks having similar morals). Shanks has been shown to be similar to Rayleigh as well (similar outfit, demeanor, lines) so it's nothing new.
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@King-Cannon said in Chapter 1079: The Emperor's Crew, the Red-Haired Pirates:
@FatDogForMidTerms said in Chapter 1079: The Emperor's Crew, the Red-Haired Pirates:
Thank you. I feel like I was going crazy.
Geez man, are you that insecure about your opinion? You keep seeking validation through this and the spoiler thread. You're not a lunatic for thinking Shanks was in the right.
You can just vote up a post you agree with too.
Calm down. Sometimes it's OK to appreciate someone's post with words. Hmm, almost like having a conversation!