Oh god i have been dreading a time travel plot since forever…
Chapter 919: The Ruins of Oden Castle
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I dn't think Oden's wife saw the future and making a real prophecy. She was talking about the people she sent to the future. So she coudn't plan the strawhats or anyone else.
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Is that teacher a 3rd Snake fruit user? Doesn't seem like a Smile.
She's a Rokurokubi, another Yokai.
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At first I read Oden's wife's words as a "prophecy", but now it sounds to me like part of the "sorcery" that sent the Nine Scabbards to the future.
I'm considering both JB's and Mangastream's translations.
It's still a prophecy, how else she knew that Orochi would be beaten in a 'moonlit night'?
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Yea the only thing I'm rethinking is that it may not have been a DF power since both Oden and his wife confirmed died. But I'm almost 100% they were put into some sort of stasis and i HIGHLY doubt there will be any past time travel involved.
Like you said, it's pretty much the equivalent of the characters being frozen.
I think akin to Urashima Taro story, they were put in some room where few days/months sums up to 20 years in real world.But the room was perhaps made by a devil fruit user.
There was such a 'training' room in DBZ too where spending one year is equivalent to one day in outside.“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it–always.”
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I think some of you guys are being a bit harsh on the chapter, and that feels wild coming from me. This was frankly the first chapter with a Wano character whose design I genuinely liked. The time travel bit is also the only thing that has genuinely interested me since the Reverie. It doesn't seem far fetched at all that a devil fruit might give someone time manipulation at a seriously great cost. Let's not forget that Law can die to make a person dead ass immortal. I don't expect that Oda will get deeply into the time travel mechanics and luckily will keep it simple enough to avoid spoilers. All the same, when you look at One Piece as a whole, I think it's pretty cool that we encountered something this bizarre.
Basically, I don't have great expectations for how it works in the arc itself, but I do like that One Piece's world is still growing in every which way it wants. That's just neat to me.
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One thing confusing… Do the Shogun or Kaidou know about the time travel?
Dofla searched for Momonosuke. Jack for Raizou.
And why didn't they hunt O-Kiku?
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One thing confusing… Do the Shogun or Kaidou know about the time travel?
Dofla searched for Momonosuke. Jack for Raizou.
And why didn't they hunt O-Kiku?
Considering how he is scared shitless I think he definetely expect their return wether they aged or not.
As for Kaido I believe they cooperate 20 years ago to get information from Oden. Then the kid disapeared but Oden told him there was a chance he would be back in 20 years and that why this last year Kaido came back to try to get Momo to read the rock.
So I don''t know if they belive in time travel but they believe their enemies will return in 20 years.
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So yea some people have pointed out here that in Chapter 819 Pedro mentions that one day Neko and Inu came back from a very long voyage near death, at each other's throats. Apparently they fought so hard they almost killed each other.
Then Wanda mentions she and Pedro were kids at the time. Pretty obvious that this was 20 years ago, and the catalyst for them hating each other and reduced to a state where they were barely clinging onto their lives is obviously Oden castle burning and Oden himself dying.
When we see that flashback properly, I'm sure we'll also see what caused Neko and Inu to hate each other. My guess is that they both blame the other for somehow not protecting Oden or something to that effect.
Speaking of, Inu said he would bring Momo to Wano so he's probably here somewhere. I wouldn't be surprised if Neko showed up, possibly with Marco or not, because he's due his revenge on Kaidou just as much as any of the other retainers.
BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE MY MAIN MAN JINBE IS JOINING THIS ARC. YOU'VE ALL BEEN WAITING SINCE FISHMAN ISLAND BUT IT'S FINALLY TIME. AFTER GIVING US JINBE JOINING BLUE BALLS ON NOT ONE BUT TWO OCCASIONS ODA IS FINALLY GOING TO MAKE HIM JOIN THIS ARC (probably)
H-H-HUH JINBE
JINBE, SON
HE'S THE HELMSMAN OF THE BUNCH, YOU KNOW HIM WELL
HE'S FINALLY BACK, THAT BIG SHARK WHALE
HIS MURASAME, CAN FIRE IN SPURTS
IF HE SHOOTS YA IT'S GONNA HURT
HE'S BIGGER, FATTER, AND STRONGER TOO
HE'S THE TENTH MEMBER OF THE STRAW HAT CREW
HUHJINBE
JINBE, SON
JINBE
JINBE, SON, IS HERETHIS SHARK'S ON FIRE, SO THANKS AKAINU
THERE'S A HOLE IN HIS CHEST, BUT HE'S GOTTA MOVE
HE'S LAUNCHED IN THE AIR, OH SHIT IT'S BUGGY
WE GOTTA GET OUT OF HERE, WITH LAW'S SUBMARINE
HE CANNOT REST, SO SORRY LAW
AFTER LOSING ACE, HE'S JUST THAT RAW
HUHJINBE
JINBE, SONWELP LUFFY IS DYING, NO TIME TO WASTE
G-G-GAVE HIS BLOOD OF THE FISHMAN RACE
OOPS HE CAN'T JOIN, THOUGH HE MEANS TO
GOTTA DEAL WITH BIG MOM, AND HIS FORMER CREW
NOT JOINING NOW, SO SAD BUT IT'S TRUE
I'M BEGGING YA ODA, JUST LET IT BE SOON
HUHJINBE
JINBE, SON
JINBE
JINBE, SON, IS HERETRY TO LEAVE MOM, LOSE A LIFE OR TWO
BUT THIS GUY, HE'S A DEVIOUS DUDE
HE TAKES IT BACK, STRAIGHT UP LIES TO MOM
WITH HIS SAKE CUP OUT, HE'S FINNA GET GONE
GUESS NOW IT'S TIME, FOR HIM TO JOIN THE CREW
OH WAIT IT'S NOT YET, WHAT CAN YOU DO
HUHJINBE
JINBE, SON
HUHFINALLY, LET'S PRAY IT'S TRUE
TO GET THE TENTH MEMBER OF THE STRAW HAT CREW
IT'S TAKEN SO LONG, I CAN BET MONEY
I'LL BE CRYING SO HARD, MY NOSE GETS RUNNY
HAD TO WAIT TWO WHOLE ARCS, ODA WHAT A TEASE
HE'LL STEER THAT SHIP, WITH SOME ELBOW GREASE
HE'LL GET TO WANO, HE DIDN'T LIE
FIRST HIS OLD CREW, GOTTA TELL THEM GOODBYE
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IT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE MY MAIN MAN JINBE IS JOINING THIS ARC. YOU'VE ALL BEEN WAITING SINCE FISHMAN ISLAND BUT IT'S FINALLY TIME. AFTER GIVING US JINBE JOINING BLUE BALLS ON NOT ONE BUT TWO OCCASIONS ODA IS FINALLY GOING TO MAKE HIM JOIN THIS ARC (probably)
H-H-HUH JINBE
JINBE, SON
HE'S THE HELMSMAN OF THE BUNCH, YOU KNOW HIM WELL
HE'S FINALLY BACK, THAT BIG SHARK WHALE
HIS MURASAME, CAN FIRE IN SPURTS
IF HE SHOOTS YA IT'S GONNA HURT
HE'S BIGGER, FATTER, AND STRONGER TOO
HE'S THE TENTH MEMBER OF THE STRAW HAT CREW
HUHJINBE
JINBE, SON
JINBE
JINBE, SON, IS HERETHIS SHARK'S ON FIRE, SO THANKS AKAINU
THERE'S A HOLE IN HIS CHEST, BUT HE'S GOTTA MOVE
HE'S LAUNCHED IN THE AIR, OH SHIT IT'S BUGGY
WE GOTTA GET OUT OF HERE, WITH LAW'S SUBMARINE
HE CANNOT REST, SO SORRY LAW
AFTER LOSING ACE, HE'S JUST THAT RAW
HUHJINBE
JINBE, SONWELP LUFFY IS DYING, NO TIME TO WASTE
G-G-GAVE HIS BLOOD OF THE FISHMAN RACE
OOPS HE CAN'T JOIN, THOUGH HE MEANS TO
GOTTA DEAL WITH BIG MOM, AND HIS FORMER CREW
NOT JOINING NOW, SO SAD BUT IT'S TRUE
I'M BEGGING YA ODA, JUST LET IT BE SOON
HUHJINBE
JINBE, SON
JINBE
JINBE, SON, IS HERETRY TO LEAVE MOM, LOSE A LIFE OR TWO
BUT THIS GUY, HE'S A DEVIOUS DUDE
HE TAKES IT BACK, STRAIGHT UP LIES TO MOM
WITH HIS SAKE CUP OUT, HE'S FINNA GET GONE
GUESS NOW IT'S TIME, FOR HIM TO JOIN THE CREW
OH WAIT IT'S NOT YET, WHAT CAN YOU DO
HUHJINBE
JINBE, SON
HUHFINALLY, LET'S PRAY IT'S TRUE
TO GET THE TENTH MEMBER OF THE STRAW HAT CREW
IT'S TAKEN SO LONG, I CAN BET MONEY
I'LL BE CRYING SO HARD, MY NOSE GETS RUNNY
HAD TO WAIT TWO WHOLE ARCS, ODA WHAT A TEASE
HE'LL STEER THAT SHIP, WITH SOME ELBOW GREASE
HE'LL GET TO WANO, HE DIDN'T LIE
FIRST HIS OLD CREW, GOTTA TELL THEM GOODBYE
HUH16 chars of sick
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Wasn't Noseguy with Tama 4 years ago during the famine? Kinemon, Kiku & company seem to have arrived in this time period like a month ago.
Definitely. I do not think Noseguy came to the future like Kin & co, but rather that he is/was a follower/retainer of the Kozuki clan, who lived on in secrecy and waited 20 years for their return just like Inu & Neko did.
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O'Kiko could be Kin'mon's wife. He didn't lust over her at all and she is tall just like him. Lol Momo is also not that interested in her like say Nami or Robin hehe probably because the way they dress, in comparison to conservative Wano.
Looking forward to the disguises Kin'mon will make for Sanji and the rest of the Sunny's team. I wonder what Brook will look like.
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Let me get this straight: The time-traveling dudes are from 20 years ago and are sent to 'now', most probably before their shogun dies ( as we know he does ). Meh, why not, we've seen devil fruits that are more hax than that ( Ope Ope basically makes you an invincible god if we're honest ). So now my first question is: In contrast to most time travel stories in media, how could you send someone forward in time to change anything about your situation in the past? Or did they just send Momo and his bodyguards to a point in time when they felt the commotions of what was essentially a civil war would have died down, so Momo would have a fighting chance at reclaiming the shogun title? Or does that devil fruit simply do 20 years forward and nothing else?
But the one question that gets me hyped beyond belief is: Seeing that now we could see Roger in his prime 20 years ago, be it in a kind of flash-sideway (flashback feels wrong as both time zones are essentially next to each other on the timeline, now - directly connected ) or through the time travelers being able to get back to 20 years ago and meet up with Roger again, the question that hurts my brain the longer I think about it, yet I feel it touches on what is basically greatness created by Oda:
Will Roger's capture, his death or his quest to find One Piece have been directly influenced by what stories and facts about 'Luffy / Strawhats' the time travelers bring back to Roger 20 years ago?
In other terms, will Luffy directly influence Roger to do some of the things that inspired Luffy in the first place? Is that why Roger arranged his execution to be in East Blue, with the help of his marine friends? Will Luffy's actions on Wano today convince Roger 20 years ago he has to turn himself in and start the Age of Pirates, so that everything can lead up to this very spot in time just like it basically already did?
If so, I feel Oda had this time travel thing under wraps for 20 years now, as it is so essential to the whole plot that it had to have been there as an idea right from the very beginning of One Piece - and that level of story crafting would basically leave me in awe and wonder.
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Let me get this straight: The time-traveling dudes are from 20 years ago and are sent to 'now', most probably before their shogun dies ( as we know he does ). Meh, why not, we've seen devil fruits that are more hax than that ( Ope Ope basically makes you an invincible god if we're honest ). So now my first question is: In contrast to most time travel stories in media, how could you send someone forward in time to change anything about your situation in the past? Or did they just send Momo and his bodyguards to a point in time when they felt the commotions of what was essentially a civil war would have died down, so Momo would have a fighting chance at reclaiming the shogun title? Or does that devil fruit simply do 20 years forward and nothing else?
But the one question that gets me hyped beyond belief is: Seeing that now we could see Roger in his prime 20 years ago, be it in a kind of flash-sideway (flashback feels wrong as both time zones are essentially next to each other on the timeline, now - directly connected ) or through the time travelers being able to get back to 20 years ago and meet up with Roger again, the question that hurts my brain the longer I think about it, yet I feel it touches on what is basically greatness created by Oda:
Will Roger's capture, his death or his quest to find One Piece have been directly influenced by what stories and facts about 'Luffy / Strawhats' the time travelers bring back to Roger 20 years ago?
In other terms, will Luffy directly influence Roger to do some of the things that inspired Luffy in the first place? Is that why Roger arranged his execution to be in East Blue, with the help of his marine friends? Will Luffy's actions on Wano today convince Roger 20 years ago he has to turn himself in and start the Age of Pirates, so that everything can lead up to this very spot in time just like it basically already did?
If so, I feel Oda had this time travel thing under wraps for 20 years now, as it is so essential to the whole plot that it had to have been there as an idea right from the very beginning of One Piece - and that level of story crafting would basically leave me in awe and wonder.
You're overthinking it. Regardless of how the powers work or the reasoning for it being 20 years, they're not fighting to save their past, but the present and future instead. Nothing that happens in this arc would have an effect on their past, much less the actions of Roger himself.
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You're overthinking it.
You think so? It was the very first thought popping into my head, so I can't be blamed for overthinking it
Maybe for putting out something stupid, but definitely not for overthinking it. Underthinking, if anything.The idea only grew stronger in my mind, seeing we have this 'circle of life' thing with Roger and Luffy hinted at multiple times by now, plus the very simple reasoning that in every time travel media I ever consumed it was always the present that, by trying to fix something in the past, creates the very thing they were trying to save the present from. And even if that won't happen as predicted, I really do expect the time traveler's to get back to their time - with Luffy, after they got back to 20 years ago, looking at a picture displaying the faces of Kinemon, Momo etc while they are smiling - a 20 year old photograph, as we readers will then see. Something along those lines.
I don't have any ties to my theory at all, and it could be so wrong that it's laughable - but what if not? Imagine the closure you'd get by finding out Luffy is the 'real' hero, towering over Roger, right from what is now 20 years ago. I'd find that an interesting option to explore, and the craftiest way I can think of to establish Luffy as 'above' Roger, which translates to being the true savior of the world. I feel by the end of the manga Luffy will have to have eclipsed Roger through some way or another, or he can't be the protagonist in a shonen.
And if it's all bull, meh, so be it.
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You think so?
Yup.
I really do expect the time traveler's to get back to their time - with Luffy, after they got back to 20 years ago, looking at a picture displaying the faces of Kinemon, Momo etc while they are smiling - a 20 year old photograph, as we readers will then see. Something along those lines.
Again, they're fighting for the present-day, not the past. I keep seeing people bring this up, especially out of fear that Oda's dealing with time travel at all. But what apparently many fail to realize is that the whole point of them being in the future is to give them an advantage in their fight against Kaido and Orochi. If they go back to their own time… nothing changes for them. Their lord would still be dead, and they'd be on their own against the might of their enemies. It would make the entirety of the Wano arc utterly pointless. To say that that wouldn't be much of an happy ending is a massive understatement.
They're here to stay.
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I get what you are saying and if / when it comes like you predicted, I won't have any problem with that. Again, not sold on my own theory, not promoting it, just saying 'I had a thought and it goes a little sum' like this'.
One last thing - should they manage to get back to where they came from ( through whatever reason ), of course something would change. They could tell the then-shogun that in 20 years his country will be free again if he dies now - as the time traveler's can report to have set all the wheels in motion to end the reign of the new shogun. And we readers could see the shogun go out with a smile on his face knowing that the whole ordeal would just be an intermezzo of 20 years. Who knows how often that time fruit may have sent Kinemon 20 years in the future already, having him try to get Wano back for Momo and coming back to 20 years ago if the plan does not work, only to get send again? I certainly do not.
And yeah, that 20 year old picture I spoke of would mean that they are, after seeing the timeline where it all works out for Wano, delivering themselves to their enemy - and they would now be dead. Prototypical Oda writing style - life goal achieved, die with smile.
The ending would still be 'happy' as Wano will be free, but it will not be costless / cheap - victories should and do demand sacrifices, as has been established in the context of the series many times by now. On the other hand, Momo would have to stay in the future no matter what, wouldn't he? So that Wano has a shogun after the Wano arc. Let me think about all of that some more
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Sigh* Finally finished it. More than 6 hrs of Hard Work. I hope you like it. Enjoy!!
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Visit Dawn of One PieceMy thoughts are that you should stopw ith the idiotic perv comments. Jesus.
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I get what you are saying and if / when it comes like you predicted, I won't have any problem with that. Again, not sold on my own theory, not promoting it, just saying 'I had a thought and it goes a little sum' like this'. One last thing - should they manage to get back to where they came from ( through whatever reason ), of course something would change. They could tell the then-shogun that in 20 years his country will be free again if he dies now - as the time traveler's can report to have set all the wheels in motion to end the reign of the new shogun. And we readers could see the shogun go out with a smile on his face knowing that the whole ordeal would just be an intermezzo of 20 years. Who knows how often that time fruit may have sent Kinemon 20 years in the future already, having him try to get Wano back for Momo and coming back to 20 years ago if the plan does not work, only to get send again? I certainly do not.And yeah, that 20 year old picture I spoke of would mean that they are, after seeing the timeline where it all works out for Wano, delivering themselves to their enemy - and they would now be dead. Prototypical Oda writing style - life goal achieved, die with smile.The ending would still be 'happy' as Wano will be free, but it will not be costless / cheap - victories should and do demand sacrifices, as has been established in the context of the series many times by now. On the other hand, Momo would have to stay in the future no matter what, wouldn't he? So that Wano has a shogun after the Wano arc. Let me think about all of that some more
Who knows. It could be whatever Oda wants, but it would feel quite strange to me that he plays the two ways time travel card.I think that the time travel fruit just sends you to the future. Maybe based on your needs, as Kuma sent the Strawhats to the place they needed to be, the best place for them, some fixed years, some stated years…. And as we have seen Kuma sending people away but never bringing anybody from a far away place (it repels things, doesn’t it), it don’t think anybody is traveling back in time.But again, who knows.
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My thoughts are that you should stopw ith the idiotic perv comments. Jesus.
They are perv, as many Oda’s jokes, but I don’t think they are idiotic.
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one thing i don't get is that doflamingo recognized momonosuke and wasn't even slightly freaked out by the obviously time traveling kid…because with adults you can end up thinking they just faked their death..but momonosuke being still a kid can pretty much only mean he time traveled from the past.
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one thing i don't get is that doflamingo recognized momonosuke and wasn't even slightly freaked out by the obviously time traveling kid…because with adults you can end up thinking they just faked their death..but momonosuke being still a kid can pretty much only mean he time traveled from the past.
If he knew about the fruit, why would he be suprised?
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I do wonder if there is a traitor along the Samurai.:wassat:
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My thoughts are that you should stopw ith the idiotic perv comments. Jesus.
Which one?? It might have slipped of my mouth you see I am a pervert but I try not to include that in my reviews… I'll keep it in my mind the next time to be completely clean.
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if he knew, kaido knew
if kaido knew, orochi knew
if orochi nkew, why would he be scared about ghosts coming back when he knows there areactually very living people coming for him through the ages?
Why?
Luffy is a total ignorant and some people on his crew aren’t . Was Doflamingo on Kaido’s crew? He wasn’t! They made deals and I’m pretty sure that he would had backstabbed Kaido if he could. Why would he share information?
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if he knew, kaido knew
if kaido knew, orochi knew
if orochi nkew, why would he be scared about ghosts coming back when he knows there areactually very living people coming for him through the ages?
Because the ghosts are the living people. Orochi is probably afraid of a coup 20 years on the making, not of ghosts.
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I wonder if the ''mink traitor'' is behind kaidou and co finding out about samurais from the past, since minks are close to samurais of momo, could know about whatever samurais used to travel. If there is mink traitor and it's not one of those deceiving hints, unlike the momonosuke knows roger from zou hint for time travel.
Btw there seems to be 4 graves with hats, so there is another konzuki family member, not retainer, oden's bro/sister/son that has yet to show up.
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one thing i don't get is that doflamingo recognized momonosuke and wasn't even slightly freaked out by the obviously time traveling kid…because with adults you can end up thinking they just faked their death..but momonosuke being still a kid can pretty much only mean he time traveled from the past.
Devil fruits are a thing. He probably rolled with the situation. He himself is seeking immortality from a fruit. I'm sure he is fairly open-minded. Or maybe they gave him the appeareance from 20 years ago without telling him it's an old picture.
Also he has a girl in his crew that doesn't age either.
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I don't know if someone say it before but Orochi to style sword is based on this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miyamoto_Musashi
So Zoro will fight Orochi and Luffy Kaidou.
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I don't know if someone say it before but Orochi to style sword is based on this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miyamoto_Musashi
So Zoro will fight Orochi and Luffy Kaidou.
Pretty sure Zoro is based off Miyamoto Musashi already (as well as, well, Zorro).
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In the One Piece world, a Katana and Wakizashi style doesn't quite seem as impressive.
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It's still a prophecy, how else she knew that Orochi would be beaten in a 'moonlit night'?
Even more, how did she know it would take 20 years to get free of Orochi and not say 10? So it's a prophecy… At least that, a time travel user can see all the moments of time in his/her present time; then it's a prophecy for us, but also, for her, a sorcery thrown in the middle of something she was/is witnessing... time travel fiction is tricky
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Cool chapter. I wonder why 20 years exactly.
Coincidentally it was 20 years ago that Luffy's mother got pregnant.
Another coincidence with numbers is 9 straw hats and 9 avenging samurais.
Also, possibly 11 straw hats by the end of the arc and 11 graves at the top of the mountain. -
Stupid question and I haven't done my research. Do we know why the characters are only being told about the full truth now and not on Zou? I mean did it make sense/was it natural for those characters to withhold information from the straw-hats, or was it solely because Oda wanted to surprise the audience?
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I have a question as well. In chapter 817 Nekomamushi says that it's been a month, few months since then, depending on the translation. Assuming that he means the death of Oden, isn't this a contradiction with the current timeline?
Or perhaps he meant another incident?
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Stupid question and I haven't done my research. Do we know why the characters are only being told about the full truth now and not on Zou? I mean did it make sense/was it natural for those characters to withhold information from the straw-hats, or was it solely because Oda wanted to surprise the audience?
Well, Kinemon does make a good point in that it's pretty hard to believe. But yes, the real reason is that it's just better to reveal this info now as it makes for an effective revelation all on its own, as opposed to saying it in Zou, only for us to wait two years before we get to the arc that actually makes that information relevant.
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I have a question as well. In chapter 817 Nekomamushi says that it's been a month, few months since then, depending on the translation. Assuming that he means the death of Oden, isn't this a contradiction with the current timeline?
Or perhaps he meant another incident?
Any thoughts?The assumption is that for Kinemon's group specifically, a few months have passed since they had travelled through time. For everyone else, Oden died twenty years, but it is still very much fresh in their minds.
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Because the ghosts are the living people. Orochi is probably afraid of a coup 20 years on the making, not of ghosts.
he swiftly defeated those "ghosts" 20 years before..and now half of them are dead
there is not much he has to fear that much really
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Stupid question and I haven't done my research. Do we know why the characters are only being told about the full truth now and not on Zou? I mean did it make sense/was it natural for those characters to withhold information from the straw-hats, or was it solely because Oda wanted to surprise the audience?
Supposedely it is such a crazy story they wanted to wait to be in the ruins with the grave to convince them.
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he swiftly defeated those "ghosts" 20 years before..and now half of them are dead
there is not much he has to fear that much really
He hears people are coming for him in 20 years so he gets paranoid about it. I mean Kyros was delat with quickly but was still a pain in the ass when he return.
With a predicted return 20 years I supposed the length of time makes it more ominous.
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The SH's are prophesied to set this country free and Oda uses Time travel, lol.
Looks like Oda is trying to take shots at Trump's border walls with the isolationist theme, lolol
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one thing i don't get is that doflamingo recognized momonosuke and wasn't even slightly freaked out by the obviously time traveling kid…because with adults you can end up thinking they just faked their death..but momonosuke being still a kid can pretty much only mean he time traveled from the past.
Do we know if Doflamingo even knew that they came from the past or who they actually are aside from their names and appearances?
@Maju:he swiftly defeated those "ghosts" 20 years before..and now half of them are dead
there is not much he has to fear that much really
Maybe Kaido and Orochi thought that they all died back then and when they suddenly appeared again 20 years later Orochi started to freak out and realized that the prophecy might actually become true.
What confuses me a bit is that Kyoshiro apparently doesn't know that Momo and the retainers are still alive. I guess only a few of Orochi's retainers know?
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About Powermanga/JB scans, what is wrong is being called Cautious?
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he swiftly defeated those "ghosts" 20 years before..and now half of them are dead
there is not much he has to fear that much really
We have no idea how the confront actually went and we also don't know if half of them are dead. As far as we know, the ones who didn't traveled in time may have not done so to prepare for the conflict, not because they are dead. We know Nekomamushi and Inuarashi were Oden retainers, they didn't traveled in time, they aren't dead. No reason to be sure the others died.
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he swiftly defeated those "ghosts" 20 years before..and now half of them are dead
there is not much he has to fear that much really
We've had alot of villains with weird personalities and flaws, even powerful ones. It wouldn't surprise me if Orochi is just mega superstitious as his "main quirk".
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Wano's been a great arc so far, and this chapter was no exception. The time travel reveal makes Momonosuke's line about knowing Roger make sense. It's not the type of line Oda would put in for just a joke, but I never would have guessed the explanation. The questions I have now are the how/why of the time travel by the group. I also wonder exactly what was meant by "ghosts" in the previous chapter. The samurai as we have known them certainly aren't ghosts, at least not in the conventional sense.
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Oda has done too much right with his story that he deserves a chance to do this. I'll hear him out and without any judgment, until he has said his piece.
But if he fucks this up, it'll split the One Piece fandom in half.
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Stupid question and I haven't done my research. Do we know why the characters are only being told about the full truth now and not on Zou? I mean did it make sense/was it natural for those characters to withhold information from the straw-hats, or was it solely because Oda wanted to surprise the audience?
Probably for the same reason he didn’t reveal momo was not his son or why he ended the end of Zou arc to explain what we thought was everything
Don’t be surprise if he still has some hidden stuff in his pocket–- Update From New Post Merge ---
It's still a prophecy, how else she knew that Orochi would be beaten in a 'moonlit night'?
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Apparently moonlight and kozuki are written with the same kanjis
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When Wano first started, i wasn't too blown away by it, probably at the prospect of Luffy being on his own again, but once Zoro joined him, I was starting to enjoy things. Still I was waiting for the chapter to really hook me on the story, and finally, this one was it. Now everything so far seems like a little prologue to get Luffy a bit acquainted with some of the secondary characters like Tama and Kiku and with the situation the country is in, before now beginning the actual plot. I can't even put my finger on what made this chapter so satisfying to read….a part of it is Oda's amazing long-term plotting shining through, definitely. But the chapter somehow also made me really aware that this arc truly will be the climax of everything since the start of Punk Hazard: the samurai, the minks, the alliance with Law, everything will come to a head now and culminate here. This is how people must have felt way back reading One Piece weekly, when the Strawhats finally arrived at Alabasta with Vivi, only that this is on a much larger scale. There will be so many awesome characters colliding here, and I truly hope Oda'll give each of the Strawhats time to shine, too. I can't wait for next week and everything this arc has to offer!
Also, someone earlier asked the question why Sanjis group was separated from Luffy in the first place, if they would reunite nonchalantly now. It's pretty much for plotting reasons - if Sanji, Nami, Brook, Chopper and Carrot would all have been with Luffy this whole time, things would probably have played out quite differently, since Oda couldn't have just have the characters stand around in the background for the last 9 chapters. Luffy needed to build a close personal relationship with Tama, for example. That alone would have gone quite differently with Nami and Chopper around. Heck, how would Chopper have reacted once Tama got sick? How would Sanji have reacted to people starving? How would Zoro have reacted at seeing Sanji? Oda removed these characters from the plot for a while because he wanted things to happen the way they did with Luffy, Tama, Zoro and Kiku.
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My money is on Kaido transforming into a dragon and burn down the castle and is the reason kenimon hates dragons
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he swiftly defeated those "ghosts" 20 years before..and now half of them are dead
there is not much he has to fear that much really
Or they dissapeares from that time and were presumed dead thus you can see the graves 20 years later
