If you have a df power to send other people to the future, why not just send all the bad guys then? You get rid of them instantly and you have 20 years to think how to deal with them and set all kinds of traps in the exact place where you know they will pop out.
Of course, this assuming your power doesn't require other people's consent in order to send them through time (i'm thinking it works like Kuma's power).
If you have a df power to send other people to the future, why not just send all the bad guys then? You get rid of them instantly and you have 20 years to think how to deal with them and set all kinds of traps in the exact place where you know they will pop out.
Of course, this assuming your power doesn't require other people's consent in order to send them through time (i'm thinking it works like Kuma's power).
The wife could be a shitty fighter and she would simply have sent maybe 1-2 person in the future before being cut down and not changing anything.
The wife could be a shitty fighter and she would simply have sent maybe 1-2 person in the future before being cut down and not changing anything.
Just the Shogun and Kaido matter. Without them their respective organizations fall apart.
It's harder if you aren't a fighter but as long as they don't know about your ability you can still set a trap or make a distraction a la Bege with Big Mom.
Just the Shogun and Kaido matter. Without them their respective organizations fall apart.
It's harder if you aren't a fighter but as long as they don't know about your ability you can still set a trap or make a distraction a la Bege with Big Mom.
I imagine Jack fgoing rampant regardless of if Kaido is there and the Whitebeard stayed together a while before disbanning. but let's admit so…
It doesn't seem like it was a planned thing. They got burned alive in their castle one night.You can set trap when you are on the attack but they were the ones in power and that got attacked.
That and the wife was probably already known as a witch(I doubt she ate a fruit 2 days before). And people actually let their leader be touched by random people that are your enemies.
I would say wait ad see before we say it's weird.
An idea I've had for a while: Could it be that Kaido target's other persons from Gol D. Roger's crew? He likely wants to get to know some secrets of the Roger Pirates by force.
Carrot's still never gonna join the crew. 
Anyway, this confirms that the guy in cover page with Crocus was not Oden, but Scooper gaban.
@uniaka:
Anyway, this confirms that the guy in cover page with Crocus was not Oden, but Scooper gaban.
Confirms the first part maybe. That's about it.
There is no proof Brook was planed to be tied with Laboon from the start.
so the prophecy speaks of 9 samouries but we know only 5 so they are 4 missing. Kinemon is still hiding things
But you know Oda’s original concept art of the crew from before the series started had Brook in it… So what do you think Oda’s story for that was?
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Why wouldn't he? If you came to a place where you've never been to, and some guys start blabbering about your dead brother and how they loved him, you'd probably keep your mouth shut?
All it takes is one good look at a hilt ffs. And it's not like there's much of a discipline between ranks on Sunny, is there? And Luffy has no reason not to show it, really.
I don't. It's just not that funny.
No, that last thing is just dumb. Especially considering Law wants to keep their heads low. Letting off a dude who already became infamous throught the island wander off while they have serious matter to discuss with after being apart for a while… Nope.
You're happy with it? That's cool.
Zoro already knows the Plan as Law has stated many times… So no, he doesn’t HAVE to be there
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@uniaka:
Zoro cuts random fodder, fans : OMG ZORO SEMPAI
Sanji goes to the bottom of the ocean to search for luffy, fans like meh, what else is in this chapter.
Zoro was eating Poisoned food for days on end… What do you want a meddle for it?... Men talk with their fists, swimming and eating poison are nothing
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Guys, Kinemon doesn't even understand the source of his own powers and thinks Nami is a Ninja. This isn't time-travelling, the Samurai group just went into some sort of stasis for 20 years. Probably the work of the DF power from Oden's wife, so they aren't burnt alive.
Oda does to us what Law was doing to Luffy - setting up ridiculous expectations.
Yeah you’re probably right… But it would be Oda trolling even way more than he usually does
If you have a df power to send other people to the future, why not just send all the bad guys then? You get rid of them instantly and you have 20 years to think how to deal with them and set all kinds of traps in the exact place where you know they will pop out.
Of course, this assuming your power doesn't require other people's consent in order to send them through time (i'm thinking it works like Kuma's power).
Why we don’t really know how they time travelled, i think it is hard to really say if it’s good or bad or if they should have done otherwise.
Zoro already knows the Plan as Law has stated many times… So no, he doesn’t HAVE to be there
Don't they need to REVISE that plan a little, now that Zoro and Luffy have caused a commotion and made things harder?
I just want for any of the characters to acknowledge Zoro isn't there with them when they're about to start a meeting, seeing how they're in enemy territory and Zoro gets lost easily and is a walking disaster and an important part of the plan. Don't think my complaint should be hard to understand for anyone who cares about details even a little.
Yeah pretty much everything from Punk Hazard to now is coming to a climax with this arc. Then everything else that has accumulated from the past and present is coming to a climax in the background (Mariejois) which will set up the next arc, or what I think will be the final long stretch.
The time travel won't be any big deal. Any type of outlandish events always comes from a Devil fruit or a constructed device.
Oda writing it won't hurt or propel his story. It's just a bland mechanic used for certain story purposes.
Screwtape actually wrote a somewhat serious comment I can mostly agree with. What dimension am I living in? 
my guess is Kaido is NOT going to be beaten this arc. It's i think 1-2 arcs too soon for him to fully beat someone like that. I assume Luffy will beat Orochi who is more powerful than kaido's big 3s. Those big 3s will be beaten by Sanji, Zoro, and JINBE!!!!!!!
Also forgot we already had a space power in doa doa fruit. Time isn't too crazy of a thought.
I assume Luffy will beat Orochi who is more powerful than kaido's big 3s.
kyoshiro just mention in this chapter that orochi is a coward, well, ms done it though
my guess is Kaido is NOT going to be beaten this arc. It's i think 1-2 arcs too soon for him to fully beat someone like that. I assume Luffy will beat Orochi who is more powerful than kaido's big 3s. Those big 3s will be beaten by Sanji, Zoro, and JINBE!!!!!!!
Also forgot we already had a space power in doa doa fruit. Time isn't too crazy of a thought.
The whole point of this arc to defeat Kaido. You can't liberate Wano otherwise.
I'm expecting Orochi to be the one with a dragon df
Don't they need to REVISE that plan a little, now that Zoro and Luffy have caused a commotion and made things harder?
I just want for any of the characters to acknowledge Zoro isn't there with them when they're about to start a meeting, seeing how they're in enemy territory and Zoro gets lost easily and is a walking disaster and an important part of the plan. Don't think my complaint should be hard to understand for anyone who cares about details even a little.
Robin, Franky and Ussop aren’t there either… So whatever revisions Law makes to the plan definitely can’t be that Drastic so again it won’t matter... I’m not sure where your grievance with this is stemming from so I’ll give you the benefit of a doubt. I for one only have a problem with it because it’s a pure Oda mechanic and sometimes those look like lazy writing but it’s an Oda mechanic so you can’t read one piece and get pissed at it. It’s obvious from Robin’s appearance in this Chapter that the Wano side Strawhats we’re already supposed to have moving plots by the time this story started. So it was actually very weird how Zoro’s Sword and him being a murderer(allegedly) was a plot that was sidelined entirely to have him and Luffy get into Shenanigans. And so Oda being Oda pulls out his most basic Oda mechanic to have Zoro just wander off back into the plot he was already set up in once the shenanigans are over because if he stays with the rest of the Strawhats, he’ll end up getting caught up in their plot as a group such as listening to Kin’emon’s exposition when he even already freakin knows it. Anyway my benefit of a doubt stretched as far as that’s an Oda mechanic but if you want to talk about relevance in the story then nope, Zoro definitely should be doing other things since a lot of shit was already set up so he doesn’t have to be there just Like Ussop Franky and Robin have other things setup so they don’t have to be there
everybody called it- time travel. I REAAALY dont feel comfortable about this.
everybody called it- time travel. I REAAALY dont feel comfortable about this.
Let's call it time-skip then…
Well, we need to first see if Kinemon & Co where somewhat trapped in time and reappeard in the same universe 20y after or it happend simultaneously and they appear in a universe 20y apart where they met Luffy & co. My guess is that they were transported 20 in the same universe, hence they were "frozen" for 20 y according to the profecy and i hope this is the situation where Oda won't involve multiple universe, etc.
I don't think this was mentioned yet, but in the official translation of chapter 820 Inu says that Oden was around Shanks' and Buggy's age when he rode with Roger:
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But then he would have been too young to be the father of eight year old Momonosuke 20 years ago. Any explanation beside potential mistranslation or mistake from Oda?
I don't think this was mentioned yet, but in the official translation of chapter 820 Inu says that Oden was around Shanks' and Buggy's age when he rode with Roger:
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But then he would have been too young to be the father of eight year old Momonosuke 20 years ago. Can this be explained somehow or is it a mistranslation?
Roger was like 50 during his big voyage. So Oden being in his mid 20's would still count as being part of the next generation.
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my guess is Kaido is NOT going to be beaten this arc. It's i think 1-2 arcs too soon for him to fully beat someone like that. I assume Luffy will beat Orochi who is more powerful than kaido's big 3s. Those big 3s will be beaten by Sanji, Zoro, and JINBE!!!!!!!
Also forgot we already had a space power in doa doa fruit. Time isn't too crazy of a thought.
People thought the same thing about Doflamingo during Dressrosa and look how that ended up. Luffy already confronted a Yonkou last arc and beat her top commander, beating an actual Yonkou is the logical next step in the story, especially since this arc is going to be a huge climax in the series - the main villain actually not being beaten would be a huge letdown. Kaido is going down this arc, no doubt about it. It's the whole point of the huge alliance with Law, the Samurai and the Mink, too, after all.
As much as I'm excited for this arc now, I'm also really excited for whatever will come afterwards. Kaido will be gone from the picture and who knows what will be going on with Big Mom, too, so the whole world balance will be shifted more than ever before. In addition, it will also be the first time in years that the Strawhats will go on their journey again without a pre-planned goal or anything, making things even more unpredictable.
I'm expecting Orochi to be the one with a dragon df
If so, my theory that the Yonkou crews will have representations of the Four Beasts (Genbu, Byakko, Seiryuu and Suzaku) will be 3/4 of the way complete instead of just 50%.
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Roger was like 50 during his big voyage. So Oden being in his mid 20's would still count as being part of the next generation.
That makes sense, but the way it's phrased makes it sound like he was closer to Shanks's and Buggy's age.
Would need to check the raw, but I remember the unofficial translations mentioned Nekomamushi and Inuarashi being close to Buggy and Shanks age, not Oden. Oden being as old as Shanks would definitely be weird, he would have been a father when he was 11.
I believe Stephen done goofed up.
'kid' could be not literal, and not refer to age but to skill… like when a skilled older warrior talks about young generations. Oden being 25 and still having to learn as an apprentice makes sense as a father of a time traveling 8 y-o Momo.
What if Oden had the fruit that let you travel into the future and also probably brings you back. Which is why he wanted to open the borders of Wano because of the benefits.
Also, maybe that’s how Roger knew what could happen in the future and that he was the person that could change the world. hmmm
@Buggy:
What if Oden had the fruit that let you travel into the future and also probably brings you back. Which is why he wanted to open the borders of Wano because of the benefits.
Also, maybe that’s how Roger knew what could happen in the future and that he was the person that could change the world. hmmm
It does make one wonder, if DFs have tiers of power, if there's one that lets you just send people and objects into the future, or to the past, in one-way trips or back-and-forth. But if it's a question of prophecies, there are folk like Madam Shyarly who can do it without a DF ability, so it's probably not needed for that.
That makes sense, but the way it's phrased makes it sound like he was closer to Shanks's and Buggy's age.
Well that would be true relatively speaking, wouldn't it? There's a smaller difference in number of years between ~25 year old and a teenager like Shanks than a 50+ year old granpda.
The text is sort of small and my eyes are bad, but I think it says "In terms of generation, we were youngsters who were closer to apprentices like Shanks or Buggy"
man I really hope they explain it next chapter…not something we have to wait until we see the shogun
Come to think of it, even Rick and Morty doesn't mess with time travel either. I hope there's no paradoxes that get left unexplained.
Screwtape actually wrote a somewhat serious comment I can mostly agree with. What dimension am I living in?
Yeah I checked the username and avatar twice to make sure
Another cool thing I just discovered from this chapter is that the kids are talking about the Shogun's 2 sword style and then we see Momo using 2 swords. Some nice foreshadowing by Oda!
Actually, it doesn't say 2-sword style. Stephen/VIZ translated it as "Orochi, the Two-Sided" and MS, similarly, translated as "Two-Place style". The original says 二辺流 (literally Two-Sided style).
Although Oda probably made some visual pun (?) in there with what would be Two-sword style given the similarity between 刀 (sword) and 辺 (side).
@Buggy:
Another cool thing I just discovered from this chapter is that the kids are talking about the Shogun's 2 sword style and then we see Momo using 2 swords. Some nice foreshadowing by Oda!
he's not… Its just 1 sword. Its like animation where he swings the sword over his head downwards... Look closely
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Actually, it doesn't say 2-sword style. Stephen/VIZ translated it as "Orochi, the Two-Sided" and MS, similarly, translated as "Two-Place style". The original says 二辺流 (literally Two-Sided style).
Although Oda probably made some visual pun (?) in there with what would be Two-sword style given the similarity between 刀 (sword) and 辺 (side).
Hmm…..maybe he has a Darth Maul-like katana?
It's very very likely that Orochi uses two-sword style considering the little kid was using two sticks to mimic his style.
Okay, time for this week's comparisons. Many, many today.
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Hmm…..maybe he has a Darth Maul-like katana?
I like this idea a lot
Thanks for the comparisons faith.
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Some weeks I just think it's neat that we get these comparisons, other weeks I truly appreciate being able to see the differences side by side. This is one of those weeks. Thanks for taking the time to type it up!
Read the official translation. Still a great chapter. I'm still thinking Shutenmaru is a new character.
Snake woman I love. Haha
Here’s how Naruto should end: Last panel is Naruto standing proudly over Konohagakure. Slowly zoom out to reveal Luffy staring into a snowglobe with a miniature Konoha inside it. Usopp asks him what he’s doing. Luffy replies “Thinkin’ bout ninjas! Ninjas are cool!” and then chucks it off the ship
@.access:
Would need to check the raw, but I remember the unofficial translations mentioned Nekomamushi and Inuarashi being close to Buggy and Shanks age, not Oden. Oden being as old as Shanks would definitely be weird, he would have been a father when he was 11.
Momo traveled in time 20 years ago. Roger died 24 years ago, after 1 year Retired? We don’t know exactly when did Oden travel with Roger. Maybe 26 years ago? 25? Momo was 2 or 3 years old, so Oden could be perfectly in his early 20’s when he fathered Momo
That's why I specifically said "Oden being as old as Shanks" when I mention the scenario being weird…
Shanks is 39 now -> 19 when Oden died -> 11 when Momo was born
This was posted in the wano thread. If you haven't seen this yet, its amazing lol Tama will defeat Kaidou
One Piece ,\/,,
Speed looks…interesting lol
