@King-Cannon said in Chapter 1090: Kizaru:

@Jabra said in Chapter 1090: Kizaru:

I'm honestly not sure if I should expect anything from Oda on the matter. There is already such a massive contrast in how he portrays this specifc moral question, and I'm not sure if it he does it intentionally, changed his view over the decades or simply does whatever sounds cool to him in any given week.

Just compare Tom & Franky crafting weapons of war vs. how they viewed Caesar doing the same thing.

spoiler

And it's not about whether toxic gas is worse than crafting a warship - it's strictly about how responsibility is shared and the Straw Hat's take on the matter.

In a better timeline we could get a chapter at least partially dedicated to the issue, with each (or at least some) of the Straw Hats sharing their stance on it. Franky, Chopper, Sanji & Jinbe would really lend themselves to that.

But yeah, we don't live in the best timeline and this manga has to end, so I expect nothing but would welcome everything. Anything. It's not too late for that, even if it's already super jarring.

There's an inherent difference between a warship and toxic gas. The former can actually have purpose besides killing hundreds, depending on who uses it.

A gas weapon is a gas weapon. Even modern war standards acknowledge this by being ok with vehicles, but going absolutely no with chemical weapons.

I added that line for a reason, but I will highlight it again because otherwise it drags the discussion to a level I did not intend (yet):

[...]"it's not about whether toxic gas is worse than crafting a warship - it's strictly about how responsibility is shared and the Straw Hat's take on the matter."

We can have that discussion of course, it's important, but my first issue is that the topic is glossed over and not addressed at all in the manga itself.

See, if it were a different manga I would really expect nothing to begin with. Like I don't expect Tite Kubo to tackle any remotely difficult topic because he's an embarrassing edgelord and his work reflects that on every level.

But the moral dilemma was brought up in One Piece already, in different scenarios even. It's not weird to expect our crew to react to Vegapunk's actions, half of them have very good reason to:

1. Sanji himself is the victim of genetic engineering and witnessed firsthand how his father created literal human cannonfodder.
2. Franky's entire backstory is about the potential conflict between creator & the use of their creation, by all means this could have been Franky's arc entirely if we wouldn't be in the endgame already.
3. Like Daz & others posted earlier, Jinbe is currently facing a black slave clone of himself and the only thing Oda has in store for him is a chuckle at Chibi-Hancock's antics.
4. Nami had an arc dedicated to her that established how hard she can get triggered when children are involved. In her case we can even remove all the moral issues that come with clone soldiers and simply reduce it to the fact that they're facing child soldiers. Period.
5. Chopper had an arc dedicated to him where he saved an entire country from chemical weapons and even confronted Caesar about the moral aspects of using said weapon. It wasn't much, 2-3 panels, but hey it was something.

Look, I'm not even asking for much at this point. I don't expect a "Usopp leaves the Straw Hats!!" chapter where each member shares their piece of mind why he should or should not be welcomed back. But when half of the crew has a distinct connection with the issue at hand, one way or another, I think it's really terrible to gloss over it completely?
Sorry, but I'm out of sugar to coat that one.

I'm honestly not sure if I should expect anything from Oda on the matter. There is already such a massive contrast in how he portrays this specifc moral question, and I'm not sure if it he does it intentionally, changed his view over the decades or simply does whatever sounds cool to him in any given week.

Just compare Tom & Franky crafting weapons of war vs. how they viewed Caesar doing the same thing.

And it's not about whether toxic gas is worse than crafting a warship - it's strictly about how responsibility is shared and the Straw Hat's take on the matter.

In a better timeline we could get a chapter at least partially dedicated to the issue, with each (or at least some) of the Straw Hats sharing their stance on it. Franky, Chopper, Sanji & Jinbe would really lend themselves to that.

But yeah, we don't live in the best timeline and this manga has to end, so I expect nothing but would welcome everything. Anything. It's not too late for that, even if it's already super jarring.

@access-timeco said in Chapter 1080: The Hero of Legend:

Does Garp really need a redeeming arc, though?

I don't know if he needs one, personally I'm fine with him being haunted by his decision to let Ace die simply because he was Roger's son.

I'm just saying that saving Koby, who's the hero of the Marines and probably everything Garp wanted Luffy and Ace to become, does nothing to address the guilt he feels for what happened during Marineford. It just doubles down on it, Koby chose the "correct" path and thus deserves his sacrifice.

I would accept it, but I don't know if that's a very satisfying conclusion (but at least it would be consequent)

Wohooo!
I can't believe you actually got it up and running again. I thought this time it would be it for sure! Thanks for the effort and Bellisario for fixing my login issues!

Everything runs super smooth so far, even though I will miss Purple Ubiq and his animated Blackbeard Pirates Avatar.

Still undecided whether to watch this. The series might not have the same place in my heart as it once had, but inviting a total cringefest to my Once Piece memories is probably not something I need right now.
Mind that this is the trailer, material they deem to be A++.

Lord of the Coast does look pretty great, though. Also digging Buggy and Usopp.

Nami / Usopp:
Are they really trying to kill you? You have the greatest brain in the world, right? That's a huge loss to the government!!

Vegapunk:
And what if you thought the greatest brain in the world was about to oppose you?

Vegapunk:
Not that I intend such a thing.

Just to be clear, he refers to the Government here that he doesn't want to oppose, not the Straw Hats (hypothetical scenario).
Because he is already opposing the Government by simply digging up Lost History stuff?

@Daz said in Welcome Back! (2022 Edition):

Aaaaand I'm back!

There we go, welcome back!

Now, to try and restrain myself so that I won't spend too much time on pent-up critical analysis.

Please don't! In fact you should post even more, now that we have these useful upvote buttons. Now I can just upvote your stuff and call it a day instead of being grumpy myself!

@IAmTheMilkman said in Chapter 1072: The Weight of Memory:

@Captain-M said in Chapter 1072: The Weight of Memory:

The amount of people still tying Bakkin in comment sections across the internet when the context here makes it crystal clear that the name was meant to be Buckin all along (with the official release even getting it right from the start) is a show that most fans care more about which translation they saw first than they actually do about accuracy. I think if there'd been even one early scan that went with Zolo over Zoro we wouldn't be able to get people to stop saying it today.

Similarly, many fans still say Green Bull since it was translated that way by scans at first (I believe), even though they wouldn't be caught dead referring to any of the other admirals by their English-translated codenames (even though they probably should be translated, but I digress). Is that because it's what they read first? Or because Ryokugyu is a bit of a mouthful for English speakers? Or is it because they'll just go with whatever sounds cooler to them 9 times out of 10, accuracy be damned?

There's also another group of people, those who adapt to whatever the majority is using. I used to refer to Kuzan as Aokiji, but unconsciously swapped to Kuzan over the years because when I share my thoughts, I would like people to be on the same page.
It's less of a problem with Aokiji/Kuzan because he's a well-known character, but the same can't really be said for Ryokugyu. Sticking to Green Bull is just the path of least possible confusion at this point, so I'm going with that.

@Alfiere said in Chapter 1079: The Emperor's Crew, the Red-Haired Pirates:

So Shanks takes it upon himself to protect weak pirates so that even them can freely roam the open sea of the new world, and is so successful that these pirates can't freely roam the New World because the instant they leave Shanks ' side they get brutally murdered and have to just go wherever he goes, am I reading this right?

I assume they don't stumble upon 3 billion pseudo-yonkou on a regular basis, especially one who's known for being an asshole in mad dog-mode 24/7.
What's important is that they're not being touched by the other Yonkou crews, at least not openly.
It will be interesting how they handle Bartolomeo, he's their next / original target after all.

Talking about Yonkou protection, looking back it's kinda funny

"Why is Whitebeard not invading Wano to avenge Oden? Why is he not quakepunching the entire fucking island and all the civilians on it? Why do they get to >LIVE< ??
Whitebeard? I say Rationalbeard! He's only your daddy when it's convenient, eh~~??"

"Shanks took Kidd's Ponegylphs and destroyed his ship! His SHIP!

If I could send one message to my past self it would be:

"Wapol will end up eloping with Vivi. He's going to carry her around in his mouth with Jabra narrating the entire scene - tell everyone!"

@King-Cannon said in Chapter 1090: Kizaru:

@Jabra said in Chapter 1090: Kizaru:

I'm honestly not sure if I should expect anything from Oda on the matter. There is already such a massive contrast in how he portrays this specifc moral question, and I'm not sure if it he does it intentionally, changed his view over the decades or simply does whatever sounds cool to him in any given week.

Just compare Tom & Franky crafting weapons of war vs. how they viewed Caesar doing the same thing.

spoiler

And it's not about whether toxic gas is worse than crafting a warship - it's strictly about how responsibility is shared and the Straw Hat's take on the matter.

In a better timeline we could get a chapter at least partially dedicated to the issue, with each (or at least some) of the Straw Hats sharing their stance on it. Franky, Chopper, Sanji & Jinbe would really lend themselves to that.

But yeah, we don't live in the best timeline and this manga has to end, so I expect nothing but would welcome everything. Anything. It's not too late for that, even if it's already super jarring.

There's an inherent difference between a warship and toxic gas. The former can actually have purpose besides killing hundreds, depending on who uses it.

A gas weapon is a gas weapon. Even modern war standards acknowledge this by being ok with vehicles, but going absolutely no with chemical weapons.

I added that line for a reason, but I will highlight it again because otherwise it drags the discussion to a level I did not intend (yet):

[...]"it's not about whether toxic gas is worse than crafting a warship - it's strictly about how responsibility is shared and the Straw Hat's take on the matter."

We can have that discussion of course, it's important, but my first issue is that the topic is glossed over and not addressed at all in the manga itself.

See, if it were a different manga I would really expect nothing to begin with. Like I don't expect Tite Kubo to tackle any remotely difficult topic because he's an embarrassing edgelord and his work reflects that on every level.

But the moral dilemma was brought up in One Piece already, in different scenarios even. It's not weird to expect our crew to react to Vegapunk's actions, half of them have very good reason to:

1. Sanji himself is the victim of genetic engineering and witnessed firsthand how his father created literal human cannonfodder.
2. Franky's entire backstory is about the potential conflict between creator & the use of their creation, by all means this could have been Franky's arc entirely if we wouldn't be in the endgame already.
3. Like Daz & others posted earlier, Jinbe is currently facing a black slave clone of himself and the only thing Oda has in store for him is a chuckle at Chibi-Hancock's antics.
4. Nami had an arc dedicated to her that established how hard she can get triggered when children are involved. In her case we can even remove all the moral issues that come with clone soldiers and simply reduce it to the fact that they're facing child soldiers. Period.
5. Chopper had an arc dedicated to him where he saved an entire country from chemical weapons and even confronted Caesar about the moral aspects of using said weapon. It wasn't much, 2-3 panels, but hey it was something.

Look, I'm not even asking for much at this point. I don't expect a "Usopp leaves the Straw Hats!!" chapter where each member shares their piece of mind why he should or should not be welcomed back. But when half of the crew has a distinct connection with the issue at hand, one way or another, I think it's really terrible to gloss over it completely?
Sorry, but I'm out of sugar to coat that one.

I'm honestly not sure if I should expect anything from Oda on the matter. There is already such a massive contrast in how he portrays this specifc moral question, and I'm not sure if it he does it intentionally, changed his view over the decades or simply does whatever sounds cool to him in any given week.

Just compare Tom & Franky crafting weapons of war vs. how they viewed Caesar doing the same thing.

And it's not about whether toxic gas is worse than crafting a warship - it's strictly about how responsibility is shared and the Straw Hat's take on the matter.

In a better timeline we could get a chapter at least partially dedicated to the issue, with each (or at least some) of the Straw Hats sharing their stance on it. Franky, Chopper, Sanji & Jinbe would really lend themselves to that.

But yeah, we don't live in the best timeline and this manga has to end, so I expect nothing but would welcome everything. Anything. It's not too late for that, even if it's already super jarring.

@The-Light-of-Shandora said in One Piece Live-Adaptation Drama Announced:

Found the German version of the trailer, they decided to go with the anime voice actors, works better for me than the English trailer.
Might even watch the German dub. Gosh maybe we get the iconic first opening again. That would be fantastic.
I wonder if every Dub will try to recruit their anime voice actors or go with new ones.

Wow, what a huge difference!

Typical german dub lifting everything to another level. It really cannot be understated how hard a professional voice actor can salvage mediocre or downright poor acting, and this adaptation needs all the help it can get.
Huge news for me, will definitely watch it now.

Still undecided whether to watch this. The series might not have the same place in my heart as it once had, but inviting a total cringefest to my Once Piece memories is probably not something I need right now.
Mind that this is the trailer, material they deem to be A++.

Lord of the Coast does look pretty great, though. Also digging Buggy and Usopp.

@Richel said in Chapter 1086: The Five Elders:

On another note can be debunk the Crocodile was a woman theory before Ivankov turned him into a man.

Vegapunk didn't use a time machine though, he cloned what was already there - a male subject. And even if the cloning process could go either way, Vegapunk is a perfectionist who had a mental breakdown because his fully functional artificial Devil Fruit had the wrong color - I doubt he would accept a different gender if the task was a Warlord copy + black super skin.
I mean he even copied the scar...

Oh yikes, so Myosgard was executed already?

If I could send one message to my past self it would be:

"Wapol will end up eloping with Vivi. He's going to carry her around in his mouth with Jabra narrating the entire scene - tell everyone!"

Checked out Poor Unfortunate Souls and then decided to skip the entire thing. Zero power, terrible visuals for such a huge budget, the actress doesn't capture her vibe at all. You really need an explosive, no punches pulling-drag queen for this, or at least someone who can get into it.
It's probably unfair to disregard the entire film because of a 5 minute sequence, but it's hard to get motivated to watch it all when they butcher one of the few things you liked in the original.
I don't even treasure Arielle like I'm some kind of purist or something. I think it's easily one the weakest Disney Movies - and honestly it didn't age well at all. But a live-action Ursula killing it would have caught my interest. Maybe even a movie focused around her (like those Maleficient movies).

I successfully managed to avoid the Switch (and Breath of the Wild with it), but I don't think I can resist this one. Buying a console for one game seems really bad, but that Ganondorf...

@access-timeco said in Chapter 1080: The Hero of Legend:

Does Garp really need a redeeming arc, though?

I don't know if he needs one, personally I'm fine with him being haunted by his decision to let Ace die simply because he was Roger's son.

I'm just saying that saving Koby, who's the hero of the Marines and probably everything Garp wanted Luffy and Ace to become, does nothing to address the guilt he feels for what happened during Marineford. It just doubles down on it, Koby chose the "correct" path and thus deserves his sacrifice.

I would accept it, but I don't know if that's a very satisfying conclusion (but at least it would be consequent)