@Onepieceanimefan23 said in Season 2 (and Beyond?) Speculation Thread (Spoilers):
I disagree with this. I wanna see a middle Eastern actress for Vivi. As for the blue hair they can do a homage to it. Like have the actress wear a blue wig while she's Miss Wednesday then when her identity is revealed have the actress use her natural hair
Of course, my point was that since blue hair fits anyone, there's no reason NOT to make her Middle Eastern (or at least very tan).
That's not a bad idea, though.
@Kaiolino said in Season 2 (and Beyond?) Speculation Thread (Spoilers):
Chris Pratt.
Don't even joke about that.
Brina Palencia is right there. But there's always Tara Strong.
Which is harder, LA Chopper or LA Brook?
How would s2 play in my mind
Episode 2 for this post
EP 2. They enter the GL
@Cockycent Chopper. At least Brook doesn’t transform.
@Cockycent said in Season 2 (and Beyond?) Speculation Thread (Spoilers):
Which is harder, LA Chopper or LA Brook?
Chopper, by far. Gotta get an animal guy emoting and keep the fur looking nice. Especially with the transformations. They presummably won't be doing a 1-1 translation for him and go for a more realistic kid actor sort of thing, but...
Brookis human shape so you can have someone in full costume for 98% of it and then just do trickery on the face. You can just do a fancier version of this and get away with it.
And bones aside Brook is the shape of a man. See any of Guillermo del Toro's movies to see how a good costumer designer/make-up artist can create a humanoid being.
Like obviously, ideally, you just go "real CGI budget, do it like Rocket Racoon" and call it a day... But Rocket and Groot were only actually onscreen for about 10-15 minutes of any given movie until Guardians 3... and those were movies that had 200 million budgets for 2 hours of film.
They're gonna have to do SOMETHING practical. If that means radically changing his design or calling on the Jim Henson shop I dunno.
@Robby When I seen that 2nd picture on Twitter, it made me ask that question.
I'm skeptical about Brook. Like is it 1 of those all black costumes with the skeleton parts attached.
I'm a bit lenient when it comes to whatever they decide with Chopper because its not easy at all.
Just that Brook seems so simple that it can possibly become complicated if some weird Party City costume is used.
I went and watched Sonic 2 recently and the first thing that came to mind was how I could see Chopper working... not sure about the 
here though.
@Robby said in Season 2 (and Beyond?) Speculation Thread (Spoilers):
They're gonna have to do SOMETHING practical. If that means radically changing his design or calling on the Jim Henson shop I dunno.
I don't know how much Henson charges, but it can't be higher than what high-quality CGI goes for now.
I'm sure figuring out Chopper will be the first thing they solve. Heck, they're probably looking at it right now while the strike is happening because they can't do anything else.
https://deadline.com/2023/09/one-piece-producers-manga-luffy-interview-1235544012/
Interview with the producers of the show.
They talk about multiple subjects, but these are the bits related to the future of the show:
12 seasons seems like a lot. I'd expect like 10 at worst. The grandlines sagas are mostly stand alone that you kinda have to make season out of them and end up with 5 seasons to tell it. But once you get to the new world it feels interconnected enough that I doubt the likeliness of needing another 6 seasons to tell it too.
@desa said in Season 2 (and Beyond?) Speculation Thread (Spoilers):
12 seasons seems like a lot. I'd expect like 10 at worst.
At best*
My english has failed again.
I wonder how long the show will realistically go. I have a hard seeing past 4 seasons before Neflix number arent strong enough to promote a new show instead of continuing it. But then I wonder if a different service or network would be allowed to take it and continue.
It's ok, I interpreted it about you not wanting the show to last so I made an ironic stab at that.
Hopefully next season the writers lesson to Oda more
Guys considering how hard it will be to avoid the potential pitfalls of Season 2. If they make it to the level of season 1, they have outdone themselves.
The good thing they have is basically them seeing what people liked and didnt like in season 1, so they now can upgrade certain things.
My take for Season 2.
Ep.3
@Robby said in Season 2 (and Beyond?) Speculation Thread (Spoilers):
@Cockycent said in Season 2 (and Beyond?) Speculation Thread (Spoilers):
Which is harder, LA Chopper or LA Brook?
Chopper, by far. Gotta get an animal guy emoting and keep the fur looking nice. Especially with the transformations. They presummably won't be doing a 1-1 translation for him and go for a more realistic kid actor sort of thing, but...
Brookis human shape so you can have someone in full costume for 98% of it and then just do trickery on the face. You can just do a fancier version of this and get away with it.
Seeing that second image, which I assume is AI generated, makes me think they could absolutely pull off Brook and have him be cool. My bet would be a person with an animatronic mask that is manipulated with some CGI to make his eye sockets emote a bit.
Of course we still have to deal with Franky...I'm less concerned about his physique and more concerned about the fact that he walks around in his underwear 24/7 
Saw online a reminder Bartolomeo was actually in Loguetown when Luffy was about to be executed. Wonder if we’ll get an early cameo if Loguetown’s adapted?
@Satsuki the one issue with Henson stuff is it looks amazing with reptiles, turtles, dinosaurs, Yoda, but always looks off with mammals.
Something about the hair/fur always looks weird.
Even Dark Crystal the Skeski look fantastic but the gelflings hav serious uncanny Valley. But I guess given the task they might work it out.
They could do a combination of puppetry and CGI. Or yes, they could take this as the challenge.
Just get a real raccoon dog. None can tell the difference anyway. You save all the CGI money. And do a reverse fake straw hats have the CGI reindeer thing in sabaody arc.
Do it like sweet tooth.
An animatronic puppet Baby Yoda-like would be the right choice (cute and perfect for merchandise). When he fights obviously the use the CGI.
Baby Yoda works because he floats in a chair all day and barely moves. Chopper needs to actually move around, converse normally, and interact with the crew. And he should be doing that most of the time.
calling it now that the forms will be only 2-3 instead of the usual 6.
budget and stuff.
@zeltrax225 said in Season 2 (and Beyond?) Speculation Thread (Spoilers):
calling it now that the forms will be only 2-3 instead of the usual 6.
budget and stuff.
They can show off all six forms once with CG aid, and throw the budget at it once, no problem. And then never use them again.
Just like manga Chopper who never uses any of his other forms.
@Robby I mean I thought of that.
But I also thought yeah, they can also choose not to. A few fans will be angry but the louder, more positive noise will prevail if they get the default form right. The only one that really matters is Monster Point anyway and every other forms...exist, I guess. No reason to dump budget into that unless it's for fanservice. Cool but not a huge deal.
Monster Point, Reindeer Point, and his Human Point so he can walk around as a "human" when needed, and to pull the sled around Drum Island or run really fast. But yeah, I can't think of the last time Chopper went through all his points since . . . . Alabasta?
Seriously though, I feel like everything Season 2 hangs on the challenge of making a good Chopper.
And getting Jamie Lee Curtis to play Dr. Kureha.
Brain point was something I thought he would be using constantly and trying to find weaknesses in his opponents.
It was a bit silly if you really think about it. But if he has it. It is equally silly that he doesnt use it. Considering the guy is ZoAN + has rumble balls and is a doctor you would expect him to be crazy strong.
Plus no way is his model a generic homo sapiens fruit
It would be like Lucci having a cat one or Arabasta guard = having a dog one instead of Jackal
@Satsuki said in Season 2 (and Beyond?) Speculation Thread (Spoilers):
Monster Point, Reindeer Point, and his Human Point so he can walk around as a "human" when needed, and to pull the sled around Drum Island or run really fast. But yeah, I can't think of the last time Chopper went through all his points since . . . . Alabasta?
He showed off all his new stuff right after the timeskip.
But since then he's mostly used chibi mode and monster mode and not much else. Kung Fu a couple times.
Same way Usopp hasn't used dials in forever. Yeah in theory they're in his slingshot and thats how he makes fire, but...
In general I expected so much morevflashbacks from Strawhats from their time skip moments. We still know jack about what Robin learned how Zoro got his eye messed up and so on.... falbergassed about it really
I was wondering why no one brought up Ewoks as a reference point for Chopper but I had forgotten that those guys basically had no facial expressions.
@Barkworm said in Season 2 (and Beyond?) Speculation Thread (Spoilers):
I was wondering why no one brought up Ewoks as a reference point for Chopper but I had forgotten that those guys basically had no facial expressions.
Because Jim Henson's creature shop does that same sort of thing but better.
I suppose if they do something like Sir Didymous with modern tech that can work. He looks like an old puppet but some more animatronics in the facial features and he might be okay.
YES! My Queen!!!!
They'd be absolutely insane to not get the actual big name award winning actress that WANTS to be involved in the show. And wanted to be even before it came out!
Dear god in heaven give me Jamie Lee Curtis arguing with a Chopper muppet.
Here's a taste:
@Robby said in Season 2 (and Beyond?) Speculation Thread (Spoilers):
They'd be absolutely insane to not get the actual big name award winning actress that WANTS to be involved in the show. And wanted to be even before it came out!
And since she wants to be in it so badly, she probably won't ask for much money, so budget won't be a problem.
That's apparently the showrunner, Matt Owens? I can't seem to get any confirmaton on that though, just people retweeting it. The only account I can find with that name hasn't posted anything in a decade so I dunno. grain of salt.
honestly would be so sick to have her in the show, i'd take the ugliest looking chopper for her
I saw an interview where the creators were saying the example they actually liked that used a combination of practical and CGI effects was Pogo from Umbrella Academy. They had a real person acting with the cast and doing mo-cap, and then a second actor in the studio for the voice.
I figure the best option for Chopper would probably be a small person in costume...could probably even use a practical mask with the hat, ears, and antlers, but his face would need to be animated, Handling his legs would also be tricky. Probably would need to be CGI for action shots.
@Robby said in Season 2 (and Beyond?) Speculation Thread (Spoilers):
That's apparently the showrunner, Matt Owens? I can't seem to get any confirmaton on that though, just people retweeting it. The only account I can find with that name hasn't posted anything in a decade so I dunno. grain of salt.
That's cause these are instagram accounts, not twitter accounts. https://www.instagram.com/cinemattic1/ (Also, on Insta, the verified checkmarks still mean something)
This is very very good news.
Jamie was just in the Bear season I watched and she killed it.
I've been thinking about how season 3 could play out and got inspired by a Reddit post on the matter and took it one step further. It of course depends on how season 2 shakes out.
It's a bit wild and messy and I'm sure better writers could create a better trajectory with better thematic connections between the events in the sky and those on the ground, but this is what I've got.
The most controversial take is almost certainly skipping the Straw Hats entirely for an episode with all of LLRL crammed into episode 8 but I think having Skypiea resolve in episode 7 is better than having LLRL take two episodes. Plus the levity of the games in the A plot of the finale would contrast the serious sequences going on in the B C and D plots (and of course Aokiji's eventual involvement in the A plot)
Instead of skipping an episode of Skypea entirely, maybe instead Aokiji's interrogation of Cricket weaves into the flashback as its own episode that ends with Luffy declaring that he's going to ring the bell or something, idk. The little semantic pieces can be argued ad infinitum, the main ideas are the weaving of the plotlines.
I have serious doubts about them spending any episodes on Foxy, easter egg poster or not.
Matt Owens loves both Skypiea and Davy Back, but doing a whole season on those controversial arcs is way too dicey (co-producer Shueisha must be aware that even Japanese volume sales went down during this period).
Like LLRL is a good cool down arc after a long arc, and it helps set up Usopp feeling worthless and that they need a shipwright. It absolutely has a purpose, and if done as a episode I could see it happening maybe? But its generally not popular with fans and treated like canon filler (people would much prefer G8 be real) and the anime didn't help by doubling the davy backs. But I could see it as a episode.
But as a season finale? Zero chance.
And as a season premiere, coming back in on a weird goofy ass thing? That's also pretty rough, and would require the entire third season be SKypeia which... I also don't see happening.
So you'd have to do it in the middle of a season. So the only way to make that work would be a super short skypeia, then LLRL, and then, what... half of Water 7? Or a super condensed Water 7?
They already put in the Noland story, and Skypeia is a visually unique place and if done in 3 or 4 episodes instead of 2 years I can see it working as side trip. But I can't imagine any scenario where they make it an entire season. And spending half a season on it, to then do a half of water 7? Unless they're renewed for seasons 3 and 4 at the same time guaranteed, or get longer seasons, it just doesn't work.
Maybe, maybe if they do Skypeia as a special event movie, to help lessen the gap between seasons, rather than as part of a season?
It'll be easier to judge after we see how they handle season 2. If that cuts Little Garden and how it trims down WHisky Peak and Laboon. How well does Alabasta condense to 4 or 5 episodes, does the farewell to Vivi even work if you've only known her for 6 episodes instead of 2 years, etc. Really hard to judge how the rest will function without seeing that.
