@FolhaS Not necessarily. In fact Drum is not even part of that "magnetic route", it was a detour to find Nami a doctor. And everything after Little Garden was changed because they didn't wait the 100 years for the log pose and took and eternal pose to Alabasta. So we don't know the complete route from start to finish.
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I don't remember that line. If it was said, probably early in the series, but it's hard to see Oda writing himself into such a corner.
I think Shanks has been to Sabaody at least 4 times. As a Roger Pirate, possibly twice. He went to the New World before meeting Luffy, so while that's not a guarantee, it most likely happened. He went there after meeting Luffy and met Rayleigh to talk about Nika Man.
So he's been up and down the GL a bit.
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@Chams-0 said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:
@FolhaS Not necessarily. In fact Drum is not even part of that "magnetic route", it was a detour to find Nami a doctor. And everything after Little Garden was changed because they didn't wait the 100 years for the log pose and took and eternal pose to Alabasta. So we don't know the complete route from start to finish.
I recalled that Drum was a sort of detour as well. But maybe it was considered a “detour” because they were following the Eternal Pose pointing to Arabasta, not the ordinary Log Pose.
In chapter 130 it is also said to head “towards the south” (in search for a doctor), which would make Drum likely to be the third island in the central route (highlighted in the map of chapter 105).
( this however would be inconsistent with the rule, which Oda almost never respected, according to which islands should be ordered in a seasonal fashion, so that Little Garden should have been an autumn island)
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I don't remember that line. If it was said, probably early in the series, but it's hard to see Oda writing himself into such a corner.
I think Shanks has been to Sabaody at least 4 times. As a Roger Pirate, possibly twice. He went to the New World before meeting Luffy, so while that's not a guarantee, it most likely happened. He went there after meeting Luffy and met Rayleigh to talk about Nika Man.
So he's been up and down the GL a bit.
Yeah, I remember it as part of the Gold Roger myth, before he was Gol D. Roger, he conquered the grand line and sailed to every island, he was the pirate King.
But it may have been a translation choice to phrase it like that.
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There's a bit of mystery about the 'old friend(s)' statement.
Namely, while it may refer to D&B, is it possible (given the lack of a specific subject) that they're talking about Saul?
While I think it's safe to assume they're talking about each other and, thematically with the chap title it fits, there's still room for an eyebrow raise.
Re: Roger and every island.
I'd suggest it's more a case of Oda not being entirely clear.
I vaguely recall the line and if it's what I remember it as, it's not expressing that he stopped at each and every island that exists, it's saying that he visited every island 'along the route' to the end.
I could easily be wrong! But just thinking about that line and what Oda wanted to express to the readers at the time ('every' = accomplishing a goal/task) I think that's probably what was intended.
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So although the "Kurozumi Tama" detail was revealed in SBS instead of in the manga itself, I suspect this will play a bigger role in the future of Wano in light of Oda emphasizing on how discrimination persists in society even to this day. How would you guys think this would affect Tama and those around her?
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In Chapter 117, Dorry seems to imply that every human who has reached Little Garden is dead, but maybe another translator could read it as “most humans died”, which would leave room for the red hair pirates to having been there and having survived
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@crlsdc I mean, there's Louis Arnote who wrote Brag Men and named the island, so we know that's already one person who made it off.
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@electricmastro said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:
So although the "Kurozumi Tama" detail was revealed in SBS instead of in the manga itself, I suspect this will play a bigger role in the future of Wano in light of Oda emphasizing on how discrimination persists in society even to this day. How would you guys think this would affect Tama and those around her?
Personally, I don't think this point will be important in the story. I assume that the next time we see Wano, it will be attacked by someone who's after Pluton. So I don't think Tama's true name will matter if it's a war context.
By the way, I don't think the heroes will blame Tama for being a Kurozumi, even though Hiyori said hm..what she said. The Kurozumi clan used to support the Kozuki clan for centuries until one of them decided to betray them. Orochi, Kanjuro...they all turned totally evil because of that, but now this is history, and I'm pretty sure Kin and the others will never blame Tama for what happened in the past.
To me, it seems like everything is back to order.
The fact that Tama is a Kurozumi or not doesn't matter, and I think it may be why Oda decided to reveal that detail in the SBS instead of the main story. It's a way of telling us : "look, Tama might be a Kurozumi but she suffered like all the other people. Her parents died not because of the Kozuki, but because of Kaido and Orochi's tyranny. Whatever her name is, she had all the reasons to hate Orochi for what she had to live, so the fact that she's a Kurozumi is a detail now, and she's free to live her life without having to carry the weight of the past".
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Hey Greg. Having one of those insomnia nights so thought I’d ask about this (and if you answered this in your column before sorry).
Who do you think healed the Scabbards when they left the roof after their battle with Kaidou? Do you think it was intentionally not addressed and something that will be addressed down the line? I’ve seen speculation it was Hiyori in places but usually Oda makes things clear when something like that happens and I don’t recall it ever being stated or hinted at in a way for young readers to catch on. At this point I’d accept the Zou medicine just to wrap it up in a neat bow but then there’s still the question of who fed it to them?
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@Gizmo said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:
Hey Greg. Having one of those insomnia nights so thought I’d ask about this (and if you answered this in your column before sorry).
Who do you think healed the Scabbards when they left the roof after their battle with Kaidou? Do you think it was intentionally not addressed and something that will be addressed down the line? I’ve seen speculation it was Hiyori in places but usually Oda makes things clear when something like that happens and I don’t recall it ever being stated or hinted at in a way for young readers to catch on. At this point I’d accept the Zou medicine just to wrap it up in a neat bow but then there’s still the question of who fed it to them?
I'm not Greg but I'd say there is no doubt it was Hiyori. First of all silhouette matches Hiyoris and later we see her on Onigashima. For me it's just putting 2 and 2 together, no real mystery there.
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@Gizmo said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:
Hey Greg. Having one of those insomnia nights so thought I’d ask about this (and if you answered this in your column before sorry).
Who do you think healed the Scabbards when they left the roof after their battle with Kaidou? Do you think it was intentionally not addressed and something that will be addressed down the line? I’ve seen speculation it was Hiyori in places but usually Oda makes things clear when something like that happens and I don’t recall it ever being stated or hinted at in a way for young readers to catch on. At this point I’d accept the Zou medicine just to wrap it up in a neat bow but then there’s still the question of who fed it to them?
I'm not Greg but I'd say there is no doubt it was Hiyori. First of all silhouette matches Hiyoris and later we see her on Onigashima. For me it's just putting 2 and 2 together, no real mystery there.
What bugs me about that is while she was shown treating wounds from Zoro earlier in the arc, I don’t think she’s shown to have doctor like abilities that could revive fallen allies like that. This could go back to Oda’s waiting for a reveal for some reason about Hiyori having some abilities for a future reference, though after rereading the chapters maybe I’m just overestimating how injured they were and general bandaging is all they needed for their “recovery”.
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@Gizmo said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:
@statu-variabilis said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:
@Gizmo said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:
Hey Greg. Having one of those insomnia nights so thought I’d ask about this (and if you answered this in your column before sorry).
Who do you think healed the Scabbards when they left the roof after their battle with Kaidou? Do you think it was intentionally not addressed and something that will be addressed down the line? I’ve seen speculation it was Hiyori in places but usually Oda makes things clear when something like that happens and I don’t recall it ever being stated or hinted at in a way for young readers to catch on. At this point I’d accept the Zou medicine just to wrap it up in a neat bow but then there’s still the question of who fed it to them?
I'm not Greg but I'd say there is no doubt it was Hiyori. First of all silhouette matches Hiyoris and later we see her on Onigashima. For me it's just putting 2 and 2 together, no real mystery there.
What bugs me about that is while she was shown treating wounds from Zoro earlier in the arc, I don’t think she’s shown to have doctor like abilities that could revive fallen allies like that. This could go back to Oda’s waiting for a reveal for some reason about Hiyori having some abilities for a future reference, though after rereading the chapters maybe I’m just overestimating how injured they were and general bandaging is all they needed for their “recovery”.
I mean you have a point about her doctor abilities and that is an inconsistency buuut.... I dunno... The whole thing is iffy IMO in general. If you ask me they never should've been able to come back into combat no matter the level of care given to them, even if it was Chopper or Law . (with the exception of zou senzu bean which by itself is a whole other can of worms)
But this is the same manga where Law got brutalized by Doflamingo and was still able to recover from that just as easily so.... IMO better to just accept it for what it is.
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@electricmastro said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:
So although the "Kurozumi Tama" detail was revealed in SBS instead of in the manga itself, I suspect this will play a bigger role in the future of Wano in light of Oda emphasizing on how discrimination persists in society even to this day. How would you guys think this would affect Tama and those around her?
Personally, I don't think this point will be important in the story. I assume that the next time we see Wano, it will be attacked by someone who's after Pluton. So I don't think Tama's true name will matter if it's a war context.
By the way, I don't think the heroes will blame Tama for being a Kurozumi, even though Hiyori said hm..what she said. The Kurozumi clan used to support the Kozuki clan for centuries until one of them decided to betray them. Orochi, Kanjuro...they all turned totally evil because of that, but now this is history, and I'm pretty sure Kin and the others will never blame Tama for what happened in the past.
To me, it seems like everything is back to order.
The fact that Tama is a Kurozumi or not doesn't matter, and I think it may be why Oda decided to reveal that detail in the SBS instead of the main story. It's a way of telling us : "look, Tama might be a Kurozumi but she suffered like all the other people. Her parents died not because of the Kozuki, but because of Kaido and Orochi's tyranny. Whatever her name is, she had all the reasons to hate Orochi for what she had to live, so the fact that she's a Kurozumi is a detail now, and she's free to live her life without having to carry the weight of the past".
I’m not necessarily saying Denjiro or the close affiliates of the Scabbards will go off the walls, but that many of the citizens may treat Tama negatively or even hunt her down since 25 years of tyranny could have made them that angry against heritage and bloodline. I also don’t think discrimination will stop being an important topic in action because someone attacks Fish-Man Island for Poseidon for example. So if it can happen there, it can happen at Wano.
I mean, the fact that Oda emphasized on the idea of discrimination persisting even to this day could be telling that Tama could be entering another hell depending on how things play out, since discrimination can be a cruel part of reality after all. We’ll have to see.
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Greg and Stephen, great first episode of the SGS, it’s all up to us, though I favor the first one:
Special Guest Segment, Segment (with) Greg (and) Stephen or Stephen’s (and) Greg’s Segment.
Hope to get some more insights of your involvement with OnePiece!https://www.onepiecepodcast.com/podcast/episode-759-lets-start-the-sgs
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@Greg We got Bandai even saying One Piece products/services have been doing better overseas!
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Regarding the "Mystery healer" at Onagashima, I always assumed it was Fake!Oden aka Kanjuro, which yes would mean that Kanjuro revived the Scabbards solely so that he could do the fake!Oden shtick. It just feels like it fits the flow of the Fake!Oden reveal scene best, and the alternative is that Hiyori or whomever healed the scabbards (though exactly whom is never clarified), left them lying around, and then Kanjuro happened upon them and decided to might as well wait for them to recover so he could prank them which feels like an unnecessary extra step.
I mean, either way you have Kanjuro waiting for the Scabbards to recover rather than murdering them in their sleep, might as well go the whole way. -
This is more of a question for anyone to answer just then for Greg alone, but there was a game or some media that had Teach labeled "King of Destruction". Does anyone know where that came from? I'm guessing it's non-canon, but that does sound like a cool epithet for him.
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Latest episode of the OP Podcast has some big Greg takes about Wano, Yamato, Shanks' cameo near Red, and all types of stuff. I definitely recommend it. Greg and Stephen also plan to start taking questions from listeners on a regular basis.
I love what Greg said about Kaido and Big Mom. He says that at this point their power is blocked. They're Luffy stuck between 2 buildings.
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Do Inazuma and Hack have the same rank in the revolutionary army?
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@Shiebs I believe Inazuma is Vice-Commander of the Grand Line Army under Ivankov.
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@Johnny-B-Decent do we know what Hack’s rank is? Is he just an ordinary member? Not commander or vice commander?
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@Shiebs As far as I know, he has no official rank besides Fishman Karate Instructor. Neither does Koala, I think.
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So, Gods valley got Illusia’d right? The way that sentomaru talked about ohara seemed to imply that it was also a secret, but I thought it was general knowledge that they got busterd because they were looking into the ancient weapons?
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Maybe the world knows that the evil archaeologists of Ohara were trying to destroy the world, but not the specifics of how the government stopped them. It's a bit weird what people know or don't know in One Piece universe. Despite having an actual newspaper going around the globe people in the East Blue still think Devil Fruits are a legend, and that Germa was just a comic book villain and not an actual kingdom which would attend the Reverie and be photographed like the kings were in the last one. In W7 arc no one in the crew reacted to the name Buster Call, which maybe shows that even more knowledgeable strawhats like Nami never heard of it. But Nami knew what Impel Down was, and that Robin was being taken there. So people should know that the marines "saved" them from Ohara, but not how.
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@maxterdexter I don't think God Valley is destroyed, but it's been deliberately isolated from everything to keep the WG secrets and prevent another Rocks from attacking.
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Re: It being 'weird' what people know/don't know, it's really not all that weird.
Just think about our own world for a second.
Forget newspapers, we have the 'internet' and the gift of science yet still the debate for/against something as rudimentary as evolution rages on.
You can tell ppl DFs exist, but unless they see it for themselves they may never believe it. Sometimes not even then.
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Feels like one of those lore vs story disconnects. Like in the lore devil fruits are supposed to be rare to the point of a normal person never seeing one in their lifetime, but in story every jackass and their grandma has two DFs so it just makes it seem weird to have people oh and ah over them
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@wolfwood said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:
Feels like one of those lore vs story disconnects. Like in the lore devil fruits are supposed to be rare to the point of a normal person never seeing one in their lifetime, but in story every jackass and their grandma has two DFs so it just makes it seem weird to have people oh and ah over them
It is suspect though how Bartolomeo and Bon Clay managed to get devil fruits that were in Wano though, because I don't get the feeling they ever went there.
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@wolfwood again, makes perfect sense from the perspective of people living in that world.
It's why Oda displayed (and even got called out for) only two Devil Fruits in the first two years. When things got to GL that all changed.
I get the feeling readers are viewing every culture and location in the series with glasses that detail everything they know or experienced but are forgetting that entire populations are born, live, and die in rural locations.
As for DF users having been at Wano whose powers ended up elsewhere, that's not even remotely odd. It was two decades ago. For all we know the Bari Bari and Mane Mane had multiple different users. Easiest explanation is they were sold to help make riches for Orochi.
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Or that while we saw how devil fruit transfer happens, we don’t know the specifics, apples for the axotol fruit, but who knows what the barrier or the copy fruit are, and wano IS isolated and in the middle of an Industrial Revolution that destroyed the environment, it is perfectly possible that the kinds of fruit needed weren’t even in the island.
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I'm not even sure if it had to be an apple for the axolotl fruit. With the recent devil fruit reveals of some devil fruit designs, I kinda got the feeling that it just has to be a random fruit.
Though maybe I'm not familiar enough with some exotic fruits native to other parts of the world. -
When do you think the next cover story will start?
One way to look at time between cover stories:
Caribou's Kehihihihi in the New World (Chapter 674, 2012) - Follow-up to Fish-Man Island
Solo Journey of Jinbe, Knight of the Sea (Chapter 751, 2014) - Follow-up to Fish-Man Island
From the Decks of the World: The 500,000,000 Man Arc (Chapter 805, 2015) - Follow-up to Dressrosa
The Stories of the Self-Proclaimed Straw Hat Grand Fleet (Chapter 864, 2017) - Follow-up to Dressrosa
"Gang" Bege's Oh My Family (Chapter 948, 2019) - Follow-up to Whole Cake Island
Germa 66's Ahh... An Emotionless Excursion (Chapter 1035, 2021) - Follow-up to Whole Cake Island
Seems that no more than 100 chapters pass between the start of cover stories, so going by that, I'd say we're likely to see the start of the next one some time before Chapter 1135. I suppose it might be by Fall 2023 too, given how cover stories start up every one or two years.
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Greg does Bonney’s distorted future power mean that One Piece has a giant multiverse?
I mean it seems she taps into the potential of a parallel universe where she has a complete different physique than the one she normally does
Does this mean she can tap into infinite realities? Or that there are infinite realities? Or have I just been watching to much Marvel movies lately?
I would love a movie where Straw Hats fight evil counterpart of themselves! You can’t tell me that wouldn’t be cool
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Cover story:
While there's definitely a pattern, it almost always depends on what story Oda feels he needs to tell and the timeframe for it. I think more than the cover stories being a pattern, it's the big arcs being a pattern and his feeling of how to pad them out. Since he also has wildly different 'down time' these days for cover arcs, it's tough to say but I do agree that he's like to stick to pattern.
As for Bonney and multiverse, yikes, I certainly hope not!
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If it is any fruit or apples, then the devil fruit transfer process should be widely known.
Of course this is my interpretation, but it doesn’t make sense for me that if it was that easy, then it should been found by any old pirate at any time after killing devil fruit users.
Like, I’d bet Blackbeard went to the bottom of impel down not only for crew members, but for what fruit the quake fruit was supposed to be.
Besides didn’t burges had one knife and one fruit when trying to stab sabo?
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@maxterdexter I don't think many devil fruit users have been killed near a fruit market, with plenty of witnesses to notice something happened to one of the fruits. Devil fruits are supposed to be rare after all, and I bet plenty of users die at sea. Far away from nearest fruit type/shape/size or whatever.
As far as Blackbeard is concerned, he could have had access to Rock's secrets. Knowing exactly what Quake fruit and Fire fruit looked like would help a great deal.
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@Shiebs said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:
Greg does Bonney’s distorted future power mean that One Piece has a giant multiverse?
I mean it seems she taps into the potential of a parallel universe where she has a complete different physique than the one she normally does
Does this mean she can tap into infinite realities? Or that there are infinite realities? Or have I just been watching to much Marvel movies lately?
I would love a movie where Straw Hats fight evil counterpart of themselves! You can’t tell me that wouldn’t be cool
Not sure if we'll ever get an official explanation, but my take on it is that Distorted Future is the Awakened version of Bonneys powers, instead of just ageing people up, she can now choose how they grow up but it still has to be fairly generic.
For example, if she used it on Momo she could potentially turn him into a (temporary) adult who had spent 20 years training to be a Samurai, but she couldn't specifically turn him into a version of himself that had spent years being trained in secret by a crippled Oden, who had survived his boiling, to become a Kaido-slaying machine. -
Yep, I wrote an article about that a few months ago.
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I like to post this every once in a while for fans who might not know it exists.
https://www.thegrandline.com/odatocLIVE.htm
Here's a ridiculously detailed and thorough look at every single comment from Oda, his editors, and about Oda from other authors on the authors' comments page of various comic publications from 1993-2013 after which they were regularly made available in English. Enjoy!
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I still really love the Pandaman sightings page. Particularly the back cover stuff since that didn't make it to the English editions.
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Yeah I should really make an infogram or something about what free work I made that's just...out there ^o^
Also, wish me luck today. No pressure.
BTW, I haven't mentioned it elsewhere yet but my column (the one this thread is titled after) will be returning to a bimonthly (2x per month) format for the first time in years! Sorry to keep you waiting.
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Good luck, Greg!
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@Greg said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:
BTW, I haven't mentioned it elsewhere yet but my column (the one this thread is titled after) will be returning to a bimonthly (2x per month) format for the first time in years!
YAY! Thanks!
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@Greg said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:
Yeah I should really make an infogram or something about what free work I made that's just...out there ^o^
Also, wish me luck today. No pressure.
BTW, I haven't mentioned it elsewhere yet but my column (the one this thread is titled after) will be returning to a bimonthly (2x per month) format for the first time in years! Sorry to keep you waiting.
Great news for us, and good luck for you, Greg!
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Nothing to do with anything really but I think I finally get how Sanderson was able to organize his thoughts to create the Cosmere.
Each and every planet of the Cosmere is SO expansive and SO mind-numbingly detailed that I couldn't figure out how Sanderson even organized his thoughts, esp. when considering that baskets of hints from stuff happening TODAY were planted in novels from over 20 years ago.
Yes, OP does the same, no doubt. But Sanderson's hints are so numerous, that Oda's sprinklings seem downright tame compared to what Sanderson put in motion. OP is understandable because he follows a core cast performing core actions. Sanderson is essentially dealing with MULTIPLE CORE CASTS TELLING THEIR OWN LORE-LADEN TALES THAT WILL EVENTUALLY BECOME A MEGA-TALE.
It's f***ing insane and I had no idea how he could balance it all, even considering the fellow is a brilliant world-builder.
Until now.
I think I finally realized that every planet is (in essence) a 'super hero' and that Sanderson basically constructed an ideal superhero based on a set of abilities, then worked from there.
It's essentially like having a Wolverine Planet, a Storm Planet, a Rogue Planet, and Magneto Planet, etc. etc. Then, he considered how all of those powers could come together. Basically Space-Justic League or Space-Avengers.
The scale is WILDLY different. It's incomparable even, considering some planets have multiple 'powers'. But the idea is, breaking it up like that, "Gee would be cool if this planet had people who could utilize metal as a power." or "Would be cool if people on this planet were super-powered Power Rangers." and with that as a base, considered how to weave them together.
The fellow speaks at length about his process so maybe I've been proven wrong already but it just seemed to me that packaging his universe that way would have made planning, sculpting, and building much easier.
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Never read a word of Brandon Sanderson (not big on “traditional” fantasy), but the douchy Wired article made me want to start.
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@Kaiolino it's one of those 'I can't say anything to convince you without ruining it for you so you'll just have to trust me' but ho-ly frigidy-fuq, is Sanderson's work anything other than traditional fantasy.
Yes, it starts out appearing that way but there's a moment where it begins to sneak up on you and then suddenly you realize what you're reading is a unique fusion of genre. Most noticeably in Stormlight Archives but certainly in Mistborn as well.
Elantris and Warbreaker? Mmmm, yeah, maybe guilty as charged but doesn't matter by that point if Stormlight broke you in (^○^)
