Vegapunk said the same thing that physicist said.
The very same thing as that physicist!
Vegapunk said the same thing that physicist said.
The very same thing as that physicist!
@Marcotty said in Official Egghead Thread:
I think, regardless of wins or losses here, the bigger issue is that circumstances really need to get bad enough to force the strawhats to flee against their usual will. I can't imagine the strawhats getting an unquestionable win and just sailing off of egghead with their heads held high like a boss crew with nothing left to stop them. Oda's built up a show of force that's too big to let the strawhats get the big win here. It's too early in the final arc for that. York should be stopped, we should see the Seraphim stopped but not destroyed, and maybe we can have Kizaru take a beating if he hops over ahead of the fleet, but after all that, they really need to flee rather than face the fleet and Saturn. It'd be a horrible start to the final saga to have that much of a win happen.
Straw Hats easily defeating Seraphim + Saturn + Kizaru + all of Kizaru’s back-up ships in less than one hour would prob do more to make the final bosses of this series look more underwhelming and make Emperor Luffy’s fights look worse because of how boring they’d become.
Yeah, I don’t think Saul being alive ruins Robin’s story, like how some say Pell ruined Vivi’s story. Clover was pretty much Robin’s “Shanks figure” that she bonded with enough to realize a common interest/dream and be her catalyst to sail after they died and tried carrying on their will. Saul’s fate, although also meaningful, doesn’t really change that either way.
@StrawHatJedi said in [Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World)]
I don't have any doubt that over the past few weeks in story the Straw Hats have connected with Yamato, but the question is why Oda didn't show us more of these scenes. It just strikes me as an odd choice in storytelling if, at least right now, that was meant to be Yamato's primary bond.
What I've really been trying to say is that 'being like Oden' is a thin motivation for Yamato sailing with the Straw Hats. I said this in 1050 / 1051 when Momo decided to close the borders, that maybe Yamato's way of building on Oden's legacy by sailing with the crew would mean searching for the answers about opening the borders. But then, Oda chose not to include her in the scenes where Pluton and the borders were discussed.
That might be what is is all about: that Momo is meant to be the one to give Yamato purpose for leaving that isn't just sailing out to be free. If Oden could never give it to her, then Momo would, because he's the shogun now and is interested in knowing some things Yamato surely also wants to know about, which may be why Oda had Yamato talk about the journal info and had a bond with Momo to begin with.
I think that would make the most sense, since Yamato's dream to sail out and see the world is pretty nebulous compared to having a dream to open Wano's borders and accomplish Oden's overall purpose for Wano in relation to Joy Boy.
@Captain-M said in Chapter 1064: Egghead Labophase:
Is it just me, or has Oda been leaning hard on the fanservice lately? Black Maria fighting topless, Robin's ultimate move coming out naked despite her other full body clones having clothes, the post-battle bathhouse scene, Bonney wringing out her shirt, and now her, Robin and Nami all set up to spend the coming arc casually pantsless. The ass-emphasising camera angle in Bonney's last panel this chapter also stands out. Oda's never skimped on drawing female characters in a way that appeals to him and playing with suggestive outfits. We've had one-off bath scenes in a couple of past arcs too. But I can't recall him using this much nudity over so many characters in such a short amount of time. I don't want to sound like some horrible puritan who thinks artists shouldn't draw things they're attracted to just to enjoy looking at them, or that they shouldn't write societies with looser nudity taboos than the real world, or that readers can't enjoy it when they do or anything dumb like that - all those things can work or fall flat based on execution and consistency of tone - I'm just making an observation that things seem a little hornier around here than they used to be.
I suspect it’s partially resulted from his way of dealing with not drawing Yamato as of now while we wait for Momo become her catalyst to sail and fully realize her greater purpose. Yamato is prob the most expressively beautiful female character he ever drew, so I’d understand why he’d miss drawing her. lol
@Galleon-Panthera said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
Really awesome to know you spend two years struggling against the idea of Yamato joining and ending up winning the argument. That takes a lot of gusto to maintain. I'm not sure I could have done the same.
Not that I think anything of value was really won here, but I'm curious. How many people were struggling against the idea of Jinbe joining after the repeatedly left Luffy to go and do other things anyway?
@cavendishsama said in Chapter 1066: The Will of Ohara:
I don't think Saul being alive ruins Robin's story, still not sure if I like it, though. Depends how his story goes I guess, if he is the man with the burn scar that's already intriguing.
I'm also a little biased regarding his survival cause I really disliked the theory about him being alive cause it was mainly based on something that's just not true. ("Ice Time Capsule" is the attack Kuzan uses to immobilize Saul (chapter 397, p 13), the attack he uses to 'kill' him is "Ice Time" (page 15). He uses that attack vs Luffy for example. Of course Luffy survived it as well, and the Island being literally on fire makes it entirely possible that the ice melted and he survived. But I don't like that the Ice Time Capsule people turned out to be right about his survival.Other than that, 10/10 chapter.
I suppose issue could be taken with the idea of “Well if Saul could survive, then why not Olvia and Clover? Why couldn’t Saul just pick them up and run out of there?” But I guess that will be answered too.
@danie said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 10 - Egghead):
Vivi or no one. I'm not even sure though when Vivi will come back into the story again, so that's a bummer. Maybe the next arc.
Ay, seeing as how Bonney is a first person witness, it would prob be inevitable that she tells her side as to what happened and could even clue into what happened to Vivi too. Would be rather surprising if Bonney didn’t know anything at all.
@hideoushorrendous said in Chapter 1076: Old Friends:
Such a shame that Elbuff of all places needs a yonko protection
They shouldn't !!
Oda Fucked all its hype with this dumb reveal.
events in Egghead is more interesting than spike head dummy
one thing that makes zero sense is why would the government spy who informed on Vegapunk would trap and imprison cipher pol agents who are supposed to be on his side ? only a rebel would do that! but a rebel wouldn't inform the five elders about punk trespassing a prohibited matter so what the fuck is going on ?
also oda dropped many hints that the culprit is a vegapunk clone and 90% of readers bought that but not me
because that would make vegapunk the dumbest scientist without a question like how could you make something that suppose to serve you to kill you ? we're talking about a serious humongous mistake that simply doesn't fit punk's reputation as the most genius.
I recall that Elbaf was described at Whole Cake as one of the strongest countries, and that was besides Kaido's territory of Wano at the time.
@black-leg-jex said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 10 - Egghead):
My big question for Oda here is how much of Oden's story does he want to parallel with Yamato?
I think Yamato Takeru’s story might play into it, like how Onigashima paralleled Momotaro. There’s one part of it where Takeru actually encounters a large white boat deity, prob similar to the mountain god Oden encountered all those years ago.
@Zin-Magala said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 10 - Egghead):
I imagine it will be Oda touching base with all the major Wano characters through Yamato. I said this is the spoiler thread and I will repeat it here: I expect the cover story to end with the BB Pirates being outside of Wano. Oda will leave it on a cliffhanger and will give us all the details after the SHs find out what happened.
If there is any SH level character development to be had, it will be saved for that future chapter and not covered in the cover story. At that point it will be either retainer or final crew member for Yamato. If that is Oda's plans, hopefully it's addressed before Elbaf, or at least before we get too deep in that arc.
It’s interesting to me, because I’m thinking back to Nami and Robin were with the Straw Hats for a little bit before they separated themselves due to outside circumstances. Only to later get into trouble which compelled the Straw Hats to go to where Nami and Robin were to help them out.
So if Yamato gets into trouble with Blackbeard, then I could then see Oda using that as a way to bring Luffy and Yamato together again.
@realtenchu said in Chapter 1110: Starfall:
@electricmastro said in Chapter 1110: Starfall:
@Captain-M said in Chapter 1110: Starfall:
@Deicide Good point, that explosion is at minimum ambiguously inside. That's a big escalation if the Sunny and the weaker members of the crew are being threatened by one of these guys.
@electricmastro said in Chapter 1110: Starfall:
Yamato's return is one of the most interesting for me
But yeah, I've been of the opinion that some (certainly not all) of the most complained about parts of Wano's ending were just part of the series being ongoing and leaving threads to circle back to later. I'm curious to see how many of them get touched on here.
Wano's ending is prob the worst ending, not just because of Yamato either, but how messy it felt and all the attention given to Momo who's honestly not that interesting of a personality despite how I respect his role.
For reference, I think it spits on Alabasta's ending, which handled Vivi's character very well, including the scene Luffy leaves her behind. Wano's ending feels like a pale imitation, as if it disrespects it. I know it wasn't Oda's intention, but it still comes across to me as that regardless.
So yeah, I'm def glad Oda's finally taking the opportunity to potentially follow-up on Wano plot lines Oda didn't address back then. I can see some of the characters going through so much needed growth, so I'm looking forward to what Oda comes up with.
Wano’s ending was indeed convoluted but the arc itself I prefer it a thousand times over alabasta. I don’t remember the last time I went back to a scene in Alabasta, I keep going back to wano’s scenes, I keep going back for their characters. I don’t remember any alabasta character. Old man Hyogoro has become one of my favorite characters. I hated the fact that they didn’t give him almost any scene after the battle. He should have been one of the ones Luffy said goodbye to.
And that’s totally fair. Overall, I think Wano is a decent arc, and I’d hope that the cover story only helps elevate Wano rather than make it go further downhill.
@Captain-M said in Chapter 1110: Starfall:
@Deicide Good point, that explosion is at minimum ambiguously inside. That's a big escalation if the Sunny and the weaker members of the crew are being threatened by one of these guys.
@electricmastro said in Chapter 1110: Starfall:
Yamato's return is one of the most interesting for me
But yeah, I've been of the opinion that some (certainly not all) of the most complained about parts of Wano's ending were just part of the series being ongoing and leaving threads to circle back to later. I'm curious to see how many of them get touched on here.
Wano's ending is prob the worst ending, not just because of Yamato either, but how messy it felt and all the attention given to Momo who's honestly not that interesting of a personality despite how I respect his role.
For reference, I think it spits on Alabasta's ending, which handled Vivi's character very well, including the scene Luffy leaves her behind. Wano's ending feels like a pale imitation, as if it disrespects it. I know it wasn't Oda's intention, but it still comes across to me as that regardless.
So yeah, I'm def glad Oda's finally taking the opportunity to potentially follow-up on Wano plot lines Oda didn't address back then. I can see some of the characters going through so much needed growth, so I'm looking forward to what Oda comes up with.
@Captain-M said in Chapter 1110: Starfall:
This is a chapter that doesn't disappoint. Things are really heating up as we hit the tenth chapter of volume 109 with Egghead's likely final end-of-volume cliffhanger to come in the next chapter or two.
But we start out with a new cover story, and yeah, it's Yamato following Oden's tour of Wano, which is probably the least exciting thing going on this week. However with the last cover story having such a large and immediate connection to the current story, I'm going in with an open mind and considering my hopes. Seeing some of the stuff that got shortchanged in Wano's clipped epilogue would be cool, like Ryuma's grave for example, or passing by Izo's tomb and seeing Kiku visiting. Perhaps a more direct confonrtation of the public's feelings about Tama's Kurozumi heritage. That one might be hard in the pantomime format of a cover story, but you never know. It's going to be a few installments before there's enough info to make any real prediction about the story's trajectory though, we know they never quite stay the course they seem to start on.
Interesting, because Yamato's return is one of the most interesting for me, lol. But yeah, I'm def looking forward to Wano more during downtime without Kaido getting in the way. Tama being treated with hostility for being Kurozumi would def be an interesting social aspect to tackle for Momo in this brand new era for Wano. Same goes for Yamato for being Kaido's child too.
@Logia said in Chapter 1110: Starfall:
I'm going to laugh if Yamato's journey makes her want to stay on Wano even more.
Interesting how only Saturn showed up in a hybrid-looking form compared to the others. V. Nusjuro possibly showing it later in the chapter.
possible Brook matchup with V. Nusjuro, or an excuse for Zoro to fight Not-Brook?
Was that Zoro's reaction towards hearing Sanji, lmao.
Chapter sure ends in a happy note.
@Jabra said in Chapter 1110: Starfall:
It would be so sad if Yamato's Devil Fruit nudged them into staying on Wano. Going by the hybrid form they are awakened after all.
Not talking about the fruit mindcontrolling Yamato or anything like that, just giving him a small mood swing whenever doubts about leaving the island crept up. Similiar to Luffy spacing out in the middle of the fight.
Oda having Yamato's dreams to sail die so as to be Momo's guard dog slave for the rest of her life is a terrible idea, especially in a manga where you're encouraged to fight for your dreams to the end.
“This pilgrimage provides the an opportunity to reflect on one's life and to change for the better. People's motives for making this pilgrimage are varied. For example, some come for religious reasons, some to pray for healing or safety in the home, or some in memory of those who have passed away. In addition, some come just to get away from regular life, some for recreation, or some to spend time alone in reflection and to find oneself. For people today, it is being re-discovered as a healing journey.” - https://shikoku-tourism.com/en/shikoku-henro/shikoku-henro#:~:text=This pilgrimage provides the an,those who have passed away.
Hmm, interesting.
Going by this, Oda could use this as an opportunity for Yamato to change in a journey of self-discovery in the cover story.
So, is Luffy not going to be fighting all five Elders at the same time then?
@Captain-M said in The "Moon" arc?:
I think it's inevitable that we'll learn more about the moon, even if we don't spend a full arc there. Maybe a flashback, using its setting for some Void Century stuff.
For a moment, I theorised that blasting the Labophase up into space would be the way to escape the Egghead siege and advance the story toward the moon, but that no longer seems to be an option. On the other hand, what if the Yggdrasil-looking tree that's towered over the glimpses of Elbaf we've had so far was actually a leftover Void Century space elevator? I agree 100% that getting the Strawhats to space somehow would be an awesome final-stage escalation for the story.
Execution is the most important factor. A satisfying ending where the moon is only in flashbacks and exposition is better than a moon arc that feels like a sidequest or forces the crew up there with no good reason.
No doubt Oda has imagined up whole space societies after that Enel cover story though, and to him they may be too good to pass up.
Biggest reason I see the Straw Hats going to space would be to find out more of that Skypiean info on the moon. There could be a poneglyph up there for all we know too.
Seems that Yamato is getting her own cover story now. Will be interesting to see what becomes of her crewmate desire as her feelings progress while in Wano.