@Seafarer33 said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:
@Daz completely agreed. As many problems with Wano, it always comes to the same conclusion: the arc lacked an extra 5-10 chapters to expand Kaido's flashbacks (plural) and the epilogue. So many rushed plots, or threads that were left hanging, or ignored entirely, could have been settled in a more satisfying manner, it would have avoided the bitter aftertaste.
@TLC said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:
Yamato's character was a complete betrayal of everything the series once stood for and it's what finally broke me of any hope and optimism I once had for the story. It's what opened my eyes and made me see how burnt out Oda is and how incapable he has become of steering this massive ship he's created. This isn't me just being salty, regardless of how you feel about the character, whether you loved or hated him, it all comes down to a simple fact. A character gave up their dream to explore the world. Yamato spent a decade on that island, starving and freezing and being tortured. It is nothing but a stew of bad memories and trauma, people he cared about died trying to protect him. He was always trying to run away and explore the world so he could finally be free and emulate his idol. But when the time came to leave, Yamato was not allowed to by the flimsiest of writing excuses.
@zeltrax225 said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:
Why is people still defending Yamato NOT joining the straw hats? I thought it was clear that it was a very business-like reason and that Oda simply don't want more work.
And I thought there was this entire speculation that having another straw hat would mean a lot of cost for the merchandise side of things + the entire media monster that One Piece is.
No matter how you cut it, Yamato not joining is terrible writing and Oda has lost control and seemingly his love for good writing in the later half of Wano. I'll even add that he's more concerned about One Piece as a brand more than he cares about the quality of writing nowadays. The plot for OP is never going to be a classic to rely on for consistent good writing, not now and never in the future. Maybe in the past, yes. For worldbuilding and character writing how-to, probably. But give it enough years and even that excellent record is showing cracks.
Honestly, the last chapter of Wano was one of the worst and if that was not a foreshadow (heh) of how Oda is not going to deliver the final arc, I'm not sure what is.
Hey, I'm sure it will still be good because you'll get excited and in glee because X character shows up during X moment and he'll rinse that a few time along with some worldbuilding twists, but as a whole his track record of managing multiple plotlines suck ass.
Oh right, Yamato. Yeah, that was whatever. Honestly I don't even find the energy in me to care after that level of disappointment. I don't even make an attempt to be disinterested in the plot nowadays, I just am. Why do I have to bother about the characters when the author isn't even invested in them and make them either tropes, plot devices, or just another checklist to tick off. Did everyone forgot how Shanks and Green Bull encounter was actually stupid? Or how Carrot was handled, so, so terribly. Oh god, I'm getting flashbacks. I'll stop now.
@Shiebs said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:
We can at least hold on hope that Yamato will join the crew in the epilogue, or some sort of alternate universe take on what happens if the crew disbands since regardless of what Oda has in mind there’s no way Shonen Jump and Toei will actually let this series end forever, they’ll make movies and mini series and all sorts of adventures with the Straw Hats since One Piece is a money making machine
@Dragon-D-Luffy said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:
So my initial reaction of Yamato was thinking he was super cool, definitely a top candidate. Then the arc moved along and I keep waiting for that amazing character arc, and it never came. Instead, Momo was the one getting all the characterization. And people in the forum became more convinced Yamato was joinging, but meanwhile I was like "no, this doesn't make sense, where is the arc? where is the conflict? where is the emotion?" And when Yamato finally announced he was staying, I felt relieved. Not satisfied though, because I agree you the whole structure of Yamato's plot was just not great. Yamato was removed from the crew through a cop out. But he was never properly added to the crew either. He was never a protagonist of his own arc, someone really emotionally involved in it.
@andre said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:
I don't think Oda handled Yamato well, but the potential of The Oni Princess is obvious to me. I just don't think Oda hit the mark on his overall characterization and narrative goals with him. I can see what he was going for, but I don't think he nailed it. The only aspect he "seemingly" nailed was the desire to sail to sea, which I firmly believe was always a red herring of sorts (at least towards joining the crew after Wano), which the reveal of flattened the character. I wish Oda had leaned more into the idea of an Oni princess and actually revealed something about Oni at large instead of putting it off or never developing at all, which could also be the case.
If I'm allowed to talk about this on here. Thinking back to how character focus like Robin's were handled, it's notable how he didn't explain Ohara, Saul, and Robin's overall feelings at Alabasta, even though Oda easily could have when Robin joined in that arc.
I see Wano in a similar way. If one takes the view that Luffy's battle and Momo's position were the two main priorities, then it would make more sense why the arc turned out the way it did. Any plot point not directly relevant to those two priorities couldn't be given more focus at the risk of taking focus away from Luffy and Momo, so all of them are met with a teaser for later at best. For as much as I wish more things could receive focus, I still understand the rationale behind it.
That's probably how all the kinds of responses like the ones above can most satisfyingly be answered at this point:
"It wasn't relevant enough."