Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !

[Greg]

@Lord-Gaimon
The answer to your question is why this forum exists.

I don't necessarily disagree with you. I think a few years back I would've even enthusiastically agreed, but I'm at that point in life where time has granted me the ability to see the alchemic forumulae that make up human interactions and just letting it be has become somewhat easier than it was for me in the past.

What is the power rank of the Strawhat crew? Oda probably has an opinion but he'd not like to answer it anytime soon because he knows damn well that half the fans will argue with each other furiously over that aspect. That arguing stirs up more promotion for the series than any ad could ever hope to accomplish.

Same with the 'new crew member' discussion.

I actually typed out a response three separate times regarding Oda's policy and why what happened with Yamato happened; I deleted each of them before posting. It just seems like such a crappy thing to do to a conversation and even if I quote Oda, people are still going to feel how they want to feel because...that's how humans work ^o^

So no, you're not alone in feeling that way and if something is blatantly wrong or false according to public knowledge I'll still be super-quick to jump on it. Otherwise? Peace be with them.

With such little info on Fujitora, really seems that Oda might be saving him for a surprise.

Then again, Shanks does seem to be moving forward....

[andre]

@Greg said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

I actually typed out a response three separate times regarding Oda's policy and why what happened with Yamato happened; I deleted each of them before posting. It just seems like such a crappy thing to do to a conversation and even if I quote Oda, people are still going to feel how they want to feel because...that's how humans work ^o^

I'll be the first one to say that I think the conversation will be ok if you give us this particular tidbit of information.

[Shiebs]

We can at least hold on hope that Yamato will join the crew in the epilogue, or some sort of alternate universe take on what happens if the crew disbands since regardless of what Oda has in mind there’s no way Shonen Jump and Toei will actually let this series end forever, they’ll make movies and mini series and all sorts of adventures with the Straw Hats since One Piece is a money making machine

[Gizmo]

Sometimes I wonder if knowing the behind the scenes stuff “while” reading the story hurt my expectations more than it helped.

For example knowing the Supernova were made up on the spot in Sabaody and then seeing someone like Law getting a bunch of spotlight during the New World. I couldn’t help but focus on the idea that this was never part of the “original intent” and just see Law getting a boost because he was popular with the fans. Then we see Kidd being undercooked in Wano but still sticking around because he was envisioned having a rivalry that’s big against Luffy and then I wonder if his role should’ve been lessened or fleshed out more given the intent of the character.

There’s no doubt popularity plays some part in the story, but the speculation as to its impact definitely hurts my expectations when I think Marco was shoehorned in Wano because he’s popular and people like Kinemon got sidelined because he’s not.

Basically I’m saying seeing behind the curtains can be fun, but maybe not while the story is ongoing and if it’s impacting your story expectations as much as the story itself. But I think the idea that someone should have no expectations based on speculation or annticipation isn’t the right way to go about things either.

[Ghost of Laugh Tale]

I have to agree the part that has souring effects is mostly the expectations. Thoroughly analyzing a piece of art can just as well be done from the viewpoints of ignoring the the existence of the curtain in whole -from either side of it- or aknowledging it's inseperable place as part of the medium. Cancellations of magazines affecting the flow of the story and such are things that can answer questions lenses disregarding the authorial touch just cannot.

There is however a huge difference between what is and what ought be, and when we have a series like One Piece that in it's relatively early run set new standards for what ought be face real life hiccups such as a pandemic what is comes into real conflict with what ought be. And let's be honest, that ought is often very subjective and abstract for each viewer. Yet it's important enough that even when reconciling known factors it can leave a bad taste in the mouth of the reader. A taste so bad it can be even therapeutic to indulge in a bit of speculation and narrative building.

In the long term I think such behavior can only turn toxic in regards to one's ability to engage the final product that actually exists. A whole community can be swept in the tide of misguided oughts. But that's not AP forums, even if doomerism sets in every once in a while. I can't and don't want to speak for OP fandom on twitter or reddit, but this forum is usually pretty good at engaging with the work, with differing viewpoints of other forumers and keeping their speculation tied to understanding OP instead of raging at the heavens for it not being something entirely different they want it to be.

To really end this post that got away with as cheesy a note as possible I'd like to note that examining those expectations can and should also lead to healthy analysis of where they stem from. The fodder for it may come from statistics or interviews but the expectations come from within and something something OP is about accepting your true self. Sometimes that means blaming marketing trends for bad story choices, sometimes it means stepping away from the series for the duration of the current arc. Most times it means sorting out our feelings by having fun and/or heated conversations about a thing we love on this wack internet island.

[zeltrax225]

Understandably, it sounds like I was going off the rails but I agree that its was a mix of cynicism and how my own involvement in other things have made me, for a lack of a better term, jaded. Obviously, this would be annoying in a fan forum that enjoys the work. I don't necessarily think I am right or correct, because this was my own speculation. But I do want the consideration of One Piece as a series bigger than the author to be a valid one and it has been evident in numerous famous works that popularity(and what sells, what might cost a loss) does affect the direction of the story, whether for the good or for the bad of its writing. Ultimately, I do need to step away from One Piece for a while seeing how I feel extremely nonchalant with each release, ever since how disappointing Wano has been (less maybe the Blackbeard and Law encounter). But my cynicism and the cumulated ghost of all shounen manga endings that has ended badly (along with numerous popular titles that has their writing integrity destroyed by popularity) will remain at the back of my mind whispering that the outcome for the quality of the series is set into stone. But I'll be happier to be proven wrong seeing how the series hold a close place in my heart although there's a chance the final product will be more divisive than it is not.

[wolfwood]

@zeltrax225 said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

the cumulated ghost of all shounen manga endings that has ended badly (

This is one of the things were i end up wondering do they more often than not derail at the end third, because it sure feels like shounen is more prone to not sticking the landing, or am i just focusing on the times i personally got burned and not thinking about all the times it got to fold up neatly.

[Ghost of Laugh Tale]

I didn't even get personally burned by that many endings, yet the ghost still has it's claws on me. For me it was seeing the big three all cascade into war arcs to try to one up each other in real time that permanently reminded me that for all it's author driven freedom big serialized manga is still tied to it's own weight and that can absolutely pull any juggernaut pretty deep. OP made it out pretty ok out of Marineford but I know I'm not alone in thinking some choices made there have cascaded well beyond easy to disregard.

[Lord Gaimon]

just putting it out there, Naruto's ending was good

[wolfwood]

One thing you can give Oda for Marineford was that he kept i snappy and brisk, instead of running the war aspect into the ground like Kishi did. By the end of it you couldn't even remember when Naruto had some fun adventures in it.

[Lord Gaimon]

I don't remember Naruto having many adventures in the first place, it has always been a battle manga with characters runnig from fight set piece to fight set piece sprinkled with lore and character development.

[Shiebs]

@Lord-Gaimon they really should have though, 4 Villages outside of Konoha to explore and we only ever went to one, if it was Oda we would have ventured to all of them, given all of the kages epic entrances, built up the most powerful members and clans of each village and done a better job with “the next generation always surpasses the old” with some epic rookies like the Supernova, plus there was mention of tons of other villages that weren’t as powerful as the big 5 but also had an axe to grind with them, which could have set up cool characters and story arcs

In all I wish Oda had done Naruto and not Kishi

[Lord Gaimon]

@Shiebs said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

@Lord-Gaimon they really should have though

not really , Naruto at it's core is about two people and their relationship not the world, I think the structure Kishimoto chose fits better with that.

[wolfwood]

@Shiebs said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

I wish Oda had done Naruto and not Kishi

It would be so weird, i can't imagine it without remodeling the whole thing from the ground up.

[Ghost of Laugh Tale]

That almost sounds like the Naruto that got set up in the early chapters with inter village politics and taking on missions you might not agree with.

[Shiebs]

@wolfwood said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

@Shiebs said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

I wish Oda had done Naruto and not Kishi

It would be so weird, i can't imagine it without remodeling the whole thing from the ground up.

Tell me it wouldn’t be awesome though

[wolfwood]

Would be interesting. But i dunno if even Oda could salvage something useful from sasuke. Like could he pull Robin level emotions from a rock?

[SirCaesar]

@Shiebs 4 seas outside of East Blue and we only ever went to the Grand Line

[Shiebs]

Greg it was stated that pirate island was where Davy Back Fights were invented, which is now Black Beards territory

Is this Oda setting something up in the future or is it just a random tidbit of info

[Sun. D.]

After reading the latest chapter Oda keeps getting worse with his gags for Sanji.

[electricmastro]

@Seafarer33 said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

@Daz completely agreed. As many problems with Wano, it always comes to the same conclusion: the arc lacked an extra 5-10 chapters to expand Kaido's flashbacks (plural) and the epilogue. So many rushed plots, or threads that were left hanging, or ignored entirely, could have been settled in a more satisfying manner, it would have avoided the bitter aftertaste.

@TLC said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

Yamato's character was a complete betrayal of everything the series once stood for and it's what finally broke me of any hope and optimism I once had for the story. It's what opened my eyes and made me see how burnt out Oda is and how incapable he has become of steering this massive ship he's created. This isn't me just being salty, regardless of how you feel about the character, whether you loved or hated him, it all comes down to a simple fact. A character gave up their dream to explore the world. Yamato spent a decade on that island, starving and freezing and being tortured. It is nothing but a stew of bad memories and trauma, people he cared about died trying to protect him. He was always trying to run away and explore the world so he could finally be free and emulate his idol. But when the time came to leave, Yamato was not allowed to by the flimsiest of writing excuses.

@zeltrax225 said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

Why is people still defending Yamato NOT joining the straw hats? I thought it was clear that it was a very business-like reason and that Oda simply don't want more work.
And I thought there was this entire speculation that having another straw hat would mean a lot of cost for the merchandise side of things + the entire media monster that One Piece is.

No matter how you cut it, Yamato not joining is terrible writing and Oda has lost control and seemingly his love for good writing in the later half of Wano. I'll even add that he's more concerned about One Piece as a brand more than he cares about the quality of writing nowadays. The plot for OP is never going to be a classic to rely on for consistent good writing, not now and never in the future. Maybe in the past, yes. For worldbuilding and character writing how-to, probably. But give it enough years and even that excellent record is showing cracks.

Honestly, the last chapter of Wano was one of the worst and if that was not a foreshadow (heh) of how Oda is not going to deliver the final arc, I'm not sure what is.
Hey, I'm sure it will still be good because you'll get excited and in glee because X character shows up during X moment and he'll rinse that a few time along with some worldbuilding twists, but as a whole his track record of managing multiple plotlines suck ass.

Oh right, Yamato. Yeah, that was whatever. Honestly I don't even find the energy in me to care after that level of disappointment. I don't even make an attempt to be disinterested in the plot nowadays, I just am. Why do I have to bother about the characters when the author isn't even invested in them and make them either tropes, plot devices, or just another checklist to tick off. Did everyone forgot how Shanks and Green Bull encounter was actually stupid? Or how Carrot was handled, so, so terribly. Oh god, I'm getting flashbacks. I'll stop now.

@Shiebs said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

We can at least hold on hope that Yamato will join the crew in the epilogue, or some sort of alternate universe take on what happens if the crew disbands since regardless of what Oda has in mind there’s no way Shonen Jump and Toei will actually let this series end forever, they’ll make movies and mini series and all sorts of adventures with the Straw Hats since One Piece is a money making machine

@Dragon-D-Luffy said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

So my initial reaction of Yamato was thinking he was super cool, definitely a top candidate. Then the arc moved along and I keep waiting for that amazing character arc, and it never came. Instead, Momo was the one getting all the characterization. And people in the forum became more convinced Yamato was joinging, but meanwhile I was like "no, this doesn't make sense, where is the arc? where is the conflict? where is the emotion?" And when Yamato finally announced he was staying, I felt relieved. Not satisfied though, because I agree you the whole structure of Yamato's plot was just not great. Yamato was removed from the crew through a cop out. But he was never properly added to the crew either. He was never a protagonist of his own arc, someone really emotionally involved in it.

@andre said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

I don't think Oda handled Yamato well, but the potential of The Oni Princess is obvious to me. I just don't think Oda hit the mark on his overall characterization and narrative goals with him. I can see what he was going for, but I don't think he nailed it. The only aspect he "seemingly" nailed was the desire to sail to sea, which I firmly believe was always a red herring of sorts (at least towards joining the crew after Wano), which the reveal of flattened the character. I wish Oda had leaned more into the idea of an Oni princess and actually revealed something about Oni at large instead of putting it off or never developing at all, which could also be the case.

If I'm allowed to talk about this on here. Thinking back to how character focus like Robin's were handled, it's notable how he didn't explain Ohara, Saul, and Robin's overall feelings at Alabasta, even though Oda easily could have when Robin joined in that arc.

I see Wano in a similar way. If one takes the view that Luffy's battle and Momo's position were the two main priorities, then it would make more sense why the arc turned out the way it did. Any plot point not directly relevant to those two priorities couldn't be given more focus at the risk of taking focus away from Luffy and Momo, so all of them are met with a teaser for later at best. For as much as I wish more things could receive focus, I still understand the rationale behind it.

That's probably how all the kinds of responses like the ones above can most satisfyingly be answered at this point:

"It wasn't relevant enough."

[karubiDON]

@Shiebs said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

Greg it was stated that pirate island was where Davy Back Fights were invented, which is now Black Beards territory

Is this Oda setting something up in the future or is it just a random tidbit of info

Don’t you think it likely that once Luffy and Shanks reunite, Shanks will come for both the hat AND Luffy’s Jolly Roger? The “Straw Hat” Crew wouldn’t make much sense without it.

[Chams 0]

@electricmastro said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

If I'm allowed to talk about this on here. Thinking back to how character focus like Robin's were handled, it's notable how he didn't explain Ohara, Saul, and Robin's overall feelings at Alabasta, even though Oda easily could have when Robin joined in that arc.

The way Robin joined was specific to her and her character. She was supposed to be a misterious woman, with her own unknown agenda. We were supposed to thinks she was hiding something, and when Ao Kiji mentioned her past, we were meant to find her suspicious. When CP9 arc began that mistery was fully explored by the story, in a narrative sense: the fact that Robin was hiding things was a main theme of the conflict.

I don't think that same thing applies to Yamato and Carrot. But I agree that Yamato had lines at the epilogue that make me think she will come back to the story and be further explored. I will wait anxiously for that. But a character can have room for more development and backstory exploration in the future and still be a satisfying piece in a current story. Robin had a perfect role for her as an archaeologist in Skypiea, even if we knew there was more to her than what we knew.
For me, Yamato has room to grow as a character AND wasn't well developed for the arc they appeared in.

[electricmastro]

@Chams-0 said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

@electricmastro said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

If I'm allowed to talk about this on here. Thinking back to how character focus like Robin's were handled, it's notable how he didn't explain Ohara, Saul, and Robin's overall feelings at Alabasta, even though Oda easily could have when Robin joined in that arc.

The way Robin joined was specific to her and her character. She was supposed to be a misterious woman, with her own unknown agenda. We were supposed to thinks she was hiding something, and when Ao Kiji mentioned her past, we were meant to find her suspicious. When CP9 arc began that mistery was fully explored by the story, in a narrative sense: the fact that Robin was hiding things was a main theme of the conflict.

I don't think that same thing applies to Yamato and Carrot. But I agree that Yamato had lines at the epilogue that make me think she will come back to the story and be further explored. I will wait anxiously for that. But a character can have room for more development and backstory exploration in the future and still be a satisfying piece in a current story. Robin had a perfect role for her as an archaeologist in Skypiea, even if we knew there was more to her than what we knew.
For me, Yamato has room to grow as a character AND wasn't well developed for the arc they appeared in.

Nobody definitely has to be the same as Robin for things to get expanded on. There’s also Sanji’s case where we never even saw his mom, along with his dad, at Baratie, and it was only later Oda decided to expand on that. So going by Kaido talking about Oni heritage, Oda could have some story to tell with Yamato’s mom for all we know for example, who Kaido possibly could have even met when he was with Rocks.

Any idea Oda could have had though, once again, was most likely put in hold for now since Oda presumably accomplished his two main priorities with Wano and felt to move on for now. That’s all in addition to Yamato’s feelings on how she’ll come to terms with her own identity now that she has freedom like she wanted. So there’s definitely potential.

I suppose I just wish Yamato could have at least gotten to interact more characters with interesting personalities than Momo. Vivi got to interact with many interesting people all around her, so for as much as I understand Wano’s ending, I think it also really serves to make Alabasta’s ending look better. lol

[Shiebs]

@karubiDON never even thought of that to be honest

I assumed that if a Davy back fight happens again on Black Beards home turf, you know the place where Davy back fights were made it would be between Luffy and BB

I still think Shanks gets killed by Black Beard later on in the story

[electricmastro]

@Shiebs said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

@karubiDON never even thought of that to be honest

I assumed that if a Davy back fight happens again on Black Beards home turf, you know the place where Davy back fights were made it would be between Luffy and BB

I still think Shanks gets killed by Black Beard later on in the story

Only a matter of time before Blackbeard runs into more trouble even he can't handle if he's going to keep going around and poaching from anyone he comes across. I wonder how far that will go.

[Shiebs]

I would love to know where Greg thinks Jewelry Bonney’s story is going

[Johnny B. Decent]

So, about that whole thing about the art quality:

Poor guy.

[The Light of Shandora]

New Greg Column is up, it’s been a few days though.

https://one-piece.com/special/greg/detail/20230224_1311.html?l=en

[Cockycent]

As far as specialties, I think Gastino is about making anything. I'm using the synthetic diamonds as a reference. I think it's interesting that Nami was insulting his name, then she runs into that section with Edison and Brook. DF, diamonds, anything can be made from scratch. He wants money. It's been his thing post MADS anyway.

For Judge, it's weapons. Weaponizing anything to return to his ancestor homeland. His kids are no exception.

Queen seems like he gets a thrill pricking, poking, and looking at what people are capable of. How far can he take it. Mummy, Ice Oni, and dunking the Kid Pirates. The human condition appears to be his territory. Not just virus, but the organs that Chopper got excited over and Atlas said it's for the future of medicine. Possibly going from medicine to going to an extreme is why they are dub MADS.

A feasible fate for Chopper and Franky. Becoming monsters for their captain.

[.Nonsh.]

@The-Light-of-Shandora said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

New Greg Column is up, it’s been a few days though.
https://one-piece.com/special/greg/detail/20230224_1311.html?l=en

Thanks!!

Now I want one of them to be Jolenon Mars

[Shiebs]

I wonder if Greg will ever talk about Bonney’s distorted future ability she used it to make herself all buff and what’s that about, I know he mentioned it when talking about her making Luffy old in an alternate timeline version of him, but the ability to do it to herself and possibly use different variants of her from different realities is pretty crazy, I wonder if that’s how she fights regularly now

[Greg]

@Johnny-B-Decent I have some comments for after the volume is officially out. For the time being, if you have enough free time, sifting through some of my pasts comments on it may prove enlightening.

"I wonder if Greg will ever talk about Bonney’s distorted future ability she used it to make herself all buff and what’s that about,"

A case of me being right and them letting it through. Was super happy about that.

[Sun. D.]

@Greg do you think one piece will have become monthly? I feel like with Oda's current age the weekly grind is to much and it would benifit his art and possibly story telling.

[Shiebs]

@Greg I’m really looking forward to seeing the different ways she can use that ability

It should make for an insane and versatile fighting style

[Greg]

Daaaaaaaah ＦＩＮＡＬＬＹ ！！！！

Zoro is only 1/4 Wanoese.

So the 'Zoro has to be pure Wanoese!' BS Express can finally cease operations.

That was the bit of info I had years ago that made it clear how Zoro's lineage played out.

And yes, Oda's astigmatism is pretty nasty which contributes a great deal to artwork from recent years. When I found out I couldn't really critique the art the same way, nor could I just out and say that without him bringing it up. Health is health so, it is what it is. We're lucky we can still enjoy the manga!

[Seafarer33]

@Greg Please excuse my ignorance, but isn't astigmatism something that is easily compensated with glasses or contact lenses nowadays? I have a mild form of it and with the appropriate correction it has no consequence whatsoever on my daily life. Or am I thinking of a different eye problem here (not a native english speaker)?

Not that I claim to have a say in Oda's health. Being subject to the thing myself I had always thought it to be relatively benign, so I had no idea it could develop to the point of being a hindrance for someone who likely has access to good medical services.
Either way, it's definitely harder to criticize the scribbly art in light of this.

[Greg]

Corrective lenses can improve eyesight in many cases of astigmatism, not all of them.

[FolhaS]

I have astigmatism too, and I've used glasses since I was 2 years old and I also draw and work with art every day either on my personal life or work, so from my experience:

1- it gets worse with age
2- yeah glasses are a necessity for the daily life but with them navigating the world is as easy as it should be
3- complex pieces of art are not "daily life" its a very specific task and you do need good eye sight

If anyone here has read Uncle Scrooge and Donald Duck stories drawn by Don Rosa, with a great and very detailed art style, should also know that the reason he retired was because he couldnt see as good as he used to and didnt want to compromise the art.

Oda has said many years ago that he drew everything that moves, i.e. the characters, the animals, the clouds, so if he sticking to that method and not letting anyone help with smaller background characters or correct his art a bit, we gonna keep getting a few scribbles here and there.

It also doesnt help that Oda now draw pages with many more panels and stuff going around in the background than in the beggining of the series.

Btw, for anyone wondering whats astigmatism like, there was a portuguese artist, Luís Noronha da Costa, who painted things as he saw them for real, instead of the corrected version he saw through his glasses.

[Razh]

Yeah, Oda's workload would likely mess up someone with perfect eyesight, let alone a person with existing condition.

[Robby]

@FolhaS said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

Btw, for anyone wondering whats astigmatism like, there was a portuguese artist, Luís Noronha da Costa, who painted things as he saw them for real, instead of the corrected version he saw through his glasses.

Yeah that's a pretty accurate representation of when I take my glasses off.

[Zanze]

I have mild astigmatism (-3 degrees, though in only one eye) as well, in my case I'd say glasses mostly fix it but if I'm particularly tired or if I'm doing some activity that requires me to squint my eyes a lot, at one point my sight goes all blurry anyways. Like, lines and even colors blend with each other and "dance" a little and all that kind of stuff, even with glasses on. Then it's break time.
With Oda's schedule and his work requiring his eyes to always be focused on something I can see how that would be a problem for him. Plus every astigmatism is probably not the same.
In fact I'd say his astigmatism has gotten bad way later than it could have, given his lifestyle.

Although to be honest, I hadn't even noticed the art becoming more scribbly...

[Shiebs]

This is probably a really dumb question but…. Greg do you think the giant egg on Rogers Ship has anything to do with Egghead?

[JustaGuy]

There was a huge push on One Piece this year, and it seemed like a multicompany push. Bandai certainly was making a big splash at the summer shows with those huge figures. There was a takeover in Times Square during New York Comic Con. It's definitely finally breaking into mass consciousness a little bit. Where did that push originate? What were the companies involved? What are you seeing, in terms of the response?

It was Toei, the licenser and the company that made the movies and the anime, and then Bandai with all the consumer products, and then we have the manga. It all happened around volume 100, and then the movie, One Piece Film: Red came out and did quite well worldwide.

I did hear that worldwide, viewership is up on the anime. I'm seeing One Piece merchandise everywhere I go. Our sales have been incredibly increased since Vol. 100, and people are going back and starting the series. We've had to reprint all 104 volumes and all the three‑in‑one editions.

It is in the mass merchandisers now, and that contributes to the increase in sales. Even Indigo, and BAM!, and Barnes and Noble are all seeing increase in sales products. I don't know if it's generational, or if it's because of COVID people finally got into it, or all of that, but it's nice to see.

https://icv2.com/articles/news/view/53415/icv2-interview-viz-medias-kevin-hamric-manga-sales-trends-supply-chains-best-practices-more

Think it’s safe to assume increase is sales anything One Piece related has generally increased across the board all over the world.

[andre]

I think Red definitely helped.

[electricmastro]

@Greg said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

Daaaaaaaah ＦＩＮＡＬＬＹ ！！！！

Zoro is only 1/4 Wanoese.

So the 'Zoro has to be pure Wanoese!' BS Express can finally cease operations.

That was the bit of info I had years ago that made it clear how Zoro's lineage played out.

Yeah, it helped enhance the hype with Zoro's new sword Enma I guess, so that was nice.

[Kdom]

Greg how do you imagine Shanks met Dorry and Brogy ? People find that a bit weird in the spoiler thread discussion

[electricmastro]

@Kdom said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

Greg how do you imagine Shanks met Dorry and Brogy ? People find that a bit weird in the spoiler thread discussion

I think it comes from how Shanks would have had to have met them while they were dueling on Little Garden, since they dueled for 100 years and Shanks is 39. Yet I suppose it's his line of saying "suddenly" which may be taken as how he has just reunited with them after thinking they were dead, but didn't think to check on them this whole time.

[Johnny B. Decent]

Also, Giants live for really long, so their perception of time is probably different then humans.

[FolhaS]

This could be a Mandela effect but didn't characters in the series claim that the Pirate King was the only one to have seen every island of the Grand Line?

Now even if we take such a statement with a grain of salt we're left with the impression that Roger and his crew sailed most of the Grand Line and during their final couple of years they did go back to the entrance at Reverse Mountain to pick up Crocus and then went to Skypea, so unless eternal log poses where used he went the same route as Luffy:
Grand Line entrance -> Whiskey Peak -> Little Garden -> Drum -> Arabasta -> Jaya.

That's my bet on when they met.