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I'm still waiting for someone to present evidence of Yassop joining first.
We have no idea what context Shanks went to get him, his situation at the time of recruiting him, if he already had a ship etc.
24 years ago : Shanks begins his journey as a pirate captain.
22 years ago : Shanks first meets Yasopp while sailing near Gecko Island.
Thats all i know.
It doesn't matter if it's a bad guy being bad if it also makes the reader uncomfortable in a bad way.
just generally speaking, it does matter when the author is trying to convey the uncomfortableness of scene to the reader. Authors can't exempt material from their works just because it makes the reader uncomfortable, sometimes that's the point, they want you to feel uncomfortable.
it means: I'm not going to waste time to search for shit to prove shit. I can't tell ya where to find it, go to chapter 0 and the page before Shanks talked to Yassop you will see Shanks main ship.
Confirmed. You can go on now lol
-attempts to get the thread back to chapter discussion-
So, do you all think the next chapter will switch back to the other groups? Or primarily stick with the SOP group?
just generally speaking, it does matter when the author is trying to convey the uncomfortableness of scene to the reader. Authors can't exempt material from their works just because it makes the reader uncomfortable, sometimes that's the point, they want you to feel uncomfortable.
But it's not framed that way. It's framed as a cheap gag
@dwo:
Well, Senor is simply the anti-Franky. Compare how Franky treated his girls and how Senor does. So it is just good vs. evil, like always.
Oda is no sexist, the one who thinks Senor behaves great and right is one.
Nami hitting the SH in their face is just a persiflage of women's libber.
It is all fun and irony.
Often the flaw is in the eye of the beholder.
I agree with you, but there's still people going on through 173 pages of the "Women in OP" thread that doesn't understand the fun and irony and some "characters".
I'm glad they will have the next scapegoat to appoint with moralism 
I'm… a bit disappointed. But it's alright, I think.
Things DD expects: Them attacking the factory
Things DD didn't expect:
1.) Gnome army
2.) That they know about sugar and they're targetting her specifically
3.) Luffy escaping the coliseum (they probably still think Lucy is him)
4.) Obviously SABO!!!!!!!! (and koala, she's aiming for the underground and will probably find her henchmen Hack and Robin).
possible 5.) Big Mam (if she isn't chasing nami + co.)
Nice to see I was right about a lil detail= Franky's hairstyle was a canon/gun and not a log XD …yes sometimes the small stuff can really amuse me.
With the huge scene of Senor Pink ripping off the bikini top, I almost missed the other boob-grope in the story ... when they were carrying Robin & Usopp through the tunnel ... one dwarf was at Robin's boob.
She certainly is getting frisked by those lil guys in this arc.
Wonder if there is random dwarf/Robin fanart…
-attempts to get the thread back to chapter discussion-
So, do you all think the next chapter will switch back to the other groups? Or primarily stick with the SOP group?
I'm thinking since the last page of the chapter indicated the fighting will start next chapter we will have 1/2 on Franky fighting and the beginning of Robin/Ussop's movements and a panel or so with Zoro/Luffy/Kinemon getting near the palace.
I hope Franky wipes the floor with Senior Pink.
@The:
Oh god, here we go, people complaining and raging again; all the white knights, here we go. This is the reason I come to this forum after all.
Believe it or not, but it's possible to genuinely feel disgusted by the scene. Shocking, I know! The people who disagree with you aren't all playing at being "white knights"!!
She didn't show her body she was sexually assaulted. Very close to having her panties torn off. The bad part of the action was that the girl adored this action. Really doesn't look good.
I don't think you know the definition of sexual assault. The girl clearly was okay with Senor pulling off her bra, meaning it wasn't against her will.
@Devil:
Let's present and build up all these characters with varied personalities and unique designs through the entire arc, just to get them one-shotted! Sounds like a great idea.
what's wrong in wanting a guy who strips off a girl's bra to chew it getting one shoted..and i hope those bitches will get slap like this…:ninja:
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it–always.”
I don't think you know the definition of sexual assault. The girl clearly was okay with Senor pulling off her bra, meaning it wasn't against her will.
No, it's not like he gave her time to decide. He just did it on a whim. And because she's so in love with him as his groupie (GET IT!? HE'S GROSS!) she basically let it slide. It's just a fucking terrible scene.
I don't think you know the definition of sexual assault. The girl clearly was okay with Senor pulling off her bra, meaning it wasn't against her will.
In my country sexual assault is "is generally defined as a sexual activity that a person has not consented to, and it can refer to a broad range of sexual behaviours that make the victim feel uncomfortable, frightened or threatened. Sexual assault can include rape, incest, indecent assault, child sexual assault and sexual molestation."
So yeah it would come under the guise of sexual assault, perhaps not where you live.
Believe it or not, but it's possible to genuinely feel disgusted by the scene. Shocking, I know! The people who disagree with you aren't all playing at being "white knights"!!
I bet a majority are trying to be!!
You know, now, they are going to harp on just how sexist Oda is, because he a made a FICTIONAL VILLAIN (who is employed by one of the most sinister and cruel villains to date) who has a COCKY ROCK STAR PERSONA and a band of GROUPIES who don't care what he does/doesn't do because they WORSHIP HIM LIKE A GOD like most FICTIONAL GROUPIES do in works of FICTION. You know… Throwing their undergarments on the stages, wanting their tits or ass signed etc. Heck... Some of this stuff actually happens to actual groupies too, come to think of it.
Isn't there a seperate thread to keep this...stuff from seeping into every facet of this forum? Yeah. Just saying.
From what I understood from that, those women were like the groupies who follow rockstars around in the real world. So I guess the question is, would real life groupies react like that?
Any way the material offended you and you have a right to be offended. At least try and see all the sides before forming a complete judgement?
It's also the kind of character that is commonly constructed in pornography. Hence it's something that hits really hard.
I know that really shallow women can exist - although I've never personally met anyone that shallow, but's it's connotation with pornography, especially constructing women as "whores" (no link to actual prostitutes), who are eager to be mistreated makes me really uncomfortable. That was one thing I was always happy about to be absent from One Piece.
It seems like some people are really horrible lovers in here
@The:
I bet a majority are trying to be!! You know, now, they are going to harp on just how sexist Oda is, because he a made a FICTIONAL VILLAIN who has a COCKY ROCK STAR PERSONA and a band of GROUPIES who don't care what he does/doesn't do because they WORSHIP HIM LIKE A GOD like most FICTIONAL GROUPIES do in works of FICTION.
Yeah. Just saying.
I forgot Oda was a flawless being incapable of being criticized by people who genuinely have an issue with an aspect of his work. Yes, we dastardly feminists are harping on him for no reason whatsoever.
@The:
I bet a majority are trying to be!! You know, now, they are going to harp on just how sexist Oda is, because he a made a FICTIONAL VILLAIN who has a COCKY ROCK STAR PERSONA and a band of GROUPIES who don't care what he does/doesn't do because they WORSHIP HIM LIKE A GOD like most FICTIONAL GROUPIES do in works of FICTION.
Yeah. Just saying.
Well I don't post in the sexism threads this is the first thing I've spoken about but that particular page was ill placed by Oda. The scene does not translate to real life well. If you grab a girls breasts without consent you are committing sexual assault and will be jailed. The annoying part was the girl was happy about it, like it was glorifying this behaviour to women/groupies. Even though it was a Villain I don't like the scene.
No, it's not like he gave her time to decide. He just did it on a whim. And because she's so in love with him as his groupie (GET IT!? HE'S GROSS!) she basically let it slide. It's just a fucking terrible scene.
Yeah, FWIW, it made me feel uncomfortable too, and not in the "ooh, this villain is being villainous" way like with this arc's backstory. Just no need for it, not even to establish Pink's personality or that he has groupies.
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"whose that pervert!!?" Wahaha Franky kills me. Fun chapter, Senior Pink showing some interesting DF. I think it probably works similar to that revolutionary with the scissor fruit by changing the properties of an object so the user may interact with it or manipulate it in a particular way. Maybe in Seniors case, he transmutes objects by makeing them 'liquid-like' then swimming? Then fluctuating its viscosity, density etc..
How dare we say a thing that is bad about One Piece, the fans can't handle it. I'm so sorry
Senor Pink huh? Let's see… Oda modeled a character after a cocky rockstar with a bunch of groupies. That means he took a fairly common real life scene and made it part of his fictional story.
Clearly a shameless sexist. May he burn in Hell!
I was just about to check this week's spoilers out and I see the chapter already released. I'll be having good dreams tonight.
A good transitional chapter, this was. I'm hyped for the upcoming fights because it looks like we're getting very good and interesting ones.
Senor Pink huh? Let's see… Oda modeled a character after a cocky rockstar with a bunch of groupies. That means he took a fairly common real life scene and made it part of his fictional story.
Clearly a shameless sexist. May he burn in Hell!
Rape is also a common real life scene. I still don't want it in my One Piece.
Well I don't post in the sexism threads this is the first thing I've spoken about but that particular page was ill placed by Oda. The scene does not translate to real life well. If you grab a girls breasts without consent you are committing sexual assault and will be jailed. The annoying part was the girl was happy about it, like it was glorifying this behaviour to women/groupies. Even though it was a Villain I don't like the scene.
Yeah… This point would hold up if this was the real world and not a work of fiction, and if the person who did the grabbing wasn't already a part of a global, criminal organization, who obviously doesn't care about laws (and the laws in One Piece are probably different anyway, based on how the leaders of the WG act anyway) to begin with, because he's breaking them already by working for a man who bribed/over threw a kingdom, knew about the drugging and torture of children, and who works with probably one of the biggest criminals in the entire world, Kaido.
Senor Pink huh? Let's see… Oda modeled a character after a cocky rockstar with a bunch of groupies. That means he took a fairly common real life scene and made it part of his fictional story.
Clearly a shameless sexist. May he burn in Hell!
No one was saying that. No one called Oda a sexist people were expressing their opinions that they were not happy with the scene. A rockstar ripping off a girls bra is still sexual assault and if the girl told police there could be charges laid. Having the women adore being abused or treated like objects is not really flattering to me. I haven't seen much like this in One Piece before and it took me by surprise.
You know, if this is a place when you throw your hands up and scream "Oda, you stepped too far!" then you are really not reading the manga properly, or you have morals so twisted that I honestly feel disgusted.
That ground swimming ability of Senor Pink was totally a homage to one of Doraemon's gadgets.
Another horrible part of the arc is Bellamy, even after Doflamingo tried to have him killed he was still loyal to him, it was a total trivialization of domestic abuse in general and I got extremely offended by it.
@The:
Yeah… This point would hold up if this was the real world and not a work of fiction, and if the person who did the grabbing wasn't already a part of a global, criminal organization, who obviously doesn't care about laws (and the laws in One Piece are probably different anyway, based on how the leaders of the WG act anyway) to begin with, because he's breaking them already by working for a man who bribed/over threw a kingdom, knew about the drugging and torture of children, and who works with probably one of the biggest criminals in the entire world, Kaido.
Yeah that's fine. I'm not saying a message should be taken from it but if you were it would be that if you are adored by women you can treat them as objects and do whatever you want to them sexually.
@The:
Yeah… This point would hold up if this was the real world and not a work of fiction, and if the person who did the grabbing wasn't already a part of a global, criminal organization, who obviously doesn't care about laws (and the laws in One Piece are probably different anyway, based on how the leaders of the WG act anyway) to begin with, because he's breaking them already by working for a man who bribed/over threw a kingdom, knew about the drugging and torture of children, and who works with probably one of the biggest criminals in the entire world, Kaido.
Yes, it makes sense. That doesn't make it a good scene. It'd make in-world sense if Luffy died by now, but no one wants to see that.
Rape is also a common real life scene. I still don't want it in my One Piece.
Well some people do, like myself, because it makes the world feel more real, believable, especially when the world revolves around pirates and criminals. I don't want everything to be sparkles and sunshine like some people seemingly do, especially if it hampers the authors creative process by limiting the amount of personalities, actions etc. of characters and the like.
A good set up chapter. Franky vs. Senor Pink's swim-swim fruit is going to be interesting.
And it looks like Ussop & Robin will get to fight together, if they're not seperated. Whatever, as long as Robin gets a spotlight match. I wonder if Koala will catch up with her before then.
Interesting that the DF using dwarfs are with them but it could be they'll mop up the fodder.
Now I've got to admit I'm dizzy from the sheer number of characters so I'm trying to figure out the scorecard. Any corrections/ help welcome.
(At the Palace)
Doflamingo
Fujitora
Law
(Heading towards Palace)
Luffy
Zoro
Bellamy
Wicca
Kinemon
(Guarding under the Arena)
Diamante
Lao G
Machvice
Senor Pink
Dellinger
(Infiltrating under the Arena)
Franky
Robin
Ussop
Lightning Soldier
Leo, Bian, Kube & Dwarf army
(In the Arena)
Rebecca
Cavendish
D Block fighters
(At the Arena)
Lucy[Sabo?]
Koala
Bartolomeo
Jesus Burgess
At the Palace?)
Pica
Gladius
Buffalo
Baby 5
(Toyhouse under the Arena)
Trebol
Sugar
Toyified A, B & C block fighters
(At large in Dressrossa)
World Navy
CP0
Violet
Jola(?)
(Onboard Thousand Sunny)
Nami
Chopper
Sanji
Brook
Momonosuke
Caesar Clown
(Arrived Dressrossa)
Big Mom(?)
Pekoms
Baron Tamago
(Somewhere between death & Punk Hazard)
Monet
Vergo
Is this accurate/ comprehensive enough?
You know, if this is a place when you throw your hands up and scream "Oda, you stepped too far!" then you are really not reading the manga properly, or you have morals so twisted that I honestly feel disgusted.
I'm really so glad we have guys like you to police our discussion should it give you vibes about the manga that aren't 100% adulatory
I had no problem with it, except Doflamingo, i didn´t hate any of the DD Family members so far, that scene changed and i can root for Franky now
Another horrible part of the arc is Bellamy, even after Doflamingo tried to have him killed he was still loyal to him, it was a total trivialization of domestic abuse in general and I got extremely offended by it.
That's not spousal or domestic abuse. The fact you tried to turn it into an insulting joke is pretty lame. I'm the first one to say Nami shouldn't be randomly hitting the guys of the crew and Robin shouldn't have grabbed Franky's balls to force his decision.
Well I don't post in the sexism threads this is the first thing I've spoken about but that particular page was ill placed by Oda. The scene does not translate to real life well. If you grab a girls breasts without consent you are committing sexual assault and will be jailed. The annoying part was the girl was happy about it, like it was glorifying this behaviour to women/groupies. Even though it was a Villain I don't like the scene.
…..Playboy Mansion
@The:
Well some people do, like myself, because it makes the world feel more real, believable, especially when the world revolves around pirates and criminals. I don't want everything to be sparkles and sunshine like some people seemingly do, especially if it hampers the authors creative process by limiting the amount of personalities, actions etc. of characters and the like.
Okay, it'd be great if people like you who did like it, didn't try to shut down the opinions if those who didn't.
This a great time for Robin to have a fight, considering how varied and creative the antogonists in the arc are. However, as great it would be to see her go against a strong enemy, expecting Robin to face an opponent out of her league seems like setting yourself up for a disappointment.
Well you said it yourself, we can't give a solid estimate. It's been so long since she had a proper fight… but there was a time where she could handle "officer style" opponents.
Moreover, Franky has proved himself to be stronger than the officer executives of Doflamingo back at Punk Hazard, while Robin is a complete wild card who we can't give a solid estimate. Furthermore, Franky is going to the same place Usopp, Robin and the dwarves are, so why would he end up with Pica who is at the palace instead of Trebol who is at the factory
Franky just got intercepted by Senor Pink and backup is on the way. That's why I said that Franky is likely out of the picture, at least it seems that he won't enter the toyhouse anytime soon. No idea if he will clash with Pica, it was just an example that Oda can and will likely switch things around as usual and it wouldn't surprise me if Pica ends up being Franky's opponent. After all he is also a wildcard. We have no idea where he currently is, could be the palace, could be somewhere else. We only know that he just overheard how Franky messes up everything at the entrance of the toyhouse.
As for setting myself up for disappointment…don't worry, I'm used to that! 
Edit:
Hm, now that I read all the comments, Senor Pink does fit the disgusting male pattern...
Man, the weird DF's in the Donquixote family just keep on coming.
We've got string, spring, art, toy, weapon, rotor, sight, snow and now what appears to be the swim swim fruit. As well as previously having the operation fruit user.
Doffy really is a collector when it comes to this stuff. It makes the fact that he was able to lay his hands on the Mera Mera after it respawned much more likely. He's obviously put a lot of time into DF/DF user acquisition. Probably how he came across Caesar and his SMILEs in the first place.
Franky was pretty badass in this chapter, now that we've got Coup De Vent back I can also hope for the return of Fresh Fire to go along with it, while he stomps the 4 Diamond squad officers.
I think people are looking at the Senor Pink situation in a bit of a skewed manner.
There was nothing sexual in the way he took that girls top off, he used it to wipe his mouth, then proceeded to tell the girls to go after a younger man. There was no misogyny whatsoever on Senor Pink's part.
The girls going crazy for him plays into the lifestyle that Donquixote officers seem to lead, essentially chilling like rockstars with groups of adoring fans. Why would they not? They're essentially the biggest celebrities on Dressrosa, affiliated with the man who saved their country from their last evil monarch.
Also it looked like Franky blew away those fangirls along with the other guys in front of the toy house. No sexism there. Franky is an equal opportunity Coup De Vent-er apparently.
Rape is also a common real life scene. I still don't want it in my One Piece.
And since does Oda give a fuck about what you want?
@The:
Well some people do, like myself, because it makes the world feel more real, believable, especially when the world revolves around pirates and criminals. I don't want everything to be sparkles and sunshine like some people seemingly do, especially if it hampers the authors creative process by limiting the amount of personalities, actions etc. of characters and the like.
It's fine if he did the actions, the mistake from Oda was showing the females reveling in the assault and enjoying it. Showing they are nothing but worthless objects to be used by Senior Pink. If he ripped the Bra off and she was upset about it there would be no problem.
Senor Pink is meant to be a freak. And the girls with him, are meant to be freaks too. Is not as if this was a serious scene filled with Oda's ideology lol.
Okay, it'd be great if people like you who did like it, didn't try to shut down the opinions if those who didn't.
The thing is, there's a thread specifically for people like yourself to harp on how sexist you think Oda is. Why are you harping in there, and instead, are harping in here? lol
There's a reason that thread was created: so this type of talk doesn't seep into everything a part of this forum.
We thought a scene was bad, so of course we must want to cut off Oda's head like the banshee feminist praying mantises we are
Yeah the Pink scene was uncomfortable. I want to think that it was intentional, despite being framed as a gag, to setup Pink as someone the readers really want Franky to beat so Franky can quickly but satisfactorily beat him and move on. I get they're groupies so I'm not going to yell "omg sexism!" but it was really awkward, forced, and unecessary "fanservice" to characterize a bad guy as bad framed as a "gag" (that wasn't funny). Did we really need that to have reason to want Franky to kick his ass and get into the factory though? No. Could Oda have shown him as a disgusting rockstar w/ groupies in a more OP and less Fairy Tail style gag? I'd like to believe so.
