@EndGameRoach:
Your claim about Luffy (a Rubber-Man) recieving more damage then most is highly speculative and suspicious. Ace has been shown to be stronger then Luffy when they were young even tho he had no fruit but luffy did. The plot strongly suggests they was still a gap between them. We haven't seen enough of Ace 'physical fighting' to gauge how he measured up. Earler, P1nk pointed out that Van Auger stated that Ace was strong even with out his ability as expected of a whitebeard commander. Personally I don't know how a fruitless Ace would've compared to pre-TS Luffy, but I doubt luffy would've beaten him. We don't really know though, I'm speculating and so are you.
Luffy wasn't able to control his power at that time. It's ridiculous to actually believe a fruitless Ace could win pre-TS Luffy. I believe you are underestimating Luffy abilities.