I guess I just need more time than others to properly digest what just occured.
I just hope Brook doesnt turn into a Logia in the meantime.
I guess I just need more time than others to properly digest what just occured.
I just hope Brook doesnt turn into a Logia in the meantime.
So if Luffy's human fruit is Mythical Zoan, then could Chopper's human fruit be Mythical Zoan as well?
He must have some particular model, at this point I don't think his fruit will remain nameless whether it is mythical or not.
Hito Hito no mi model: Loony Tunes, lol.
He must have some particular model, at this point I don't think his fruit will remain nameless whether it is mythical or not.
I suggested Wendigo/Sasquatch, but I suppose Chopper could draw from a wide array of Canadian/Native American mythology now that I think about it.
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There is obviously something up with Choppers DF. Hes the only "regular" Zoan that we know of that cannot make a full on transformation into his supposed Zoan Animal. Every Zoan user has a hybrid form and a complete animal form, yet Choppers supposed "human form" looks like a yeti, not a human. So my bet is he actually ate some sort of yeti zoan
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The thing is Pell can turn into an actual, plain Falcon. Chopper cannot turn into an actual complete human
I guess that is peculiar now that I think about it too. If Chopper's human fruit really was a "regular" human fruit, then he'd look exactly like a genuine flesh and blood human being, no antlers attached, and yet he doesn't. I'm not even sure what the differences are for him between hybrid form and full transformation form.
And what was Chopper's last upgrade in Wano? Now he can stay on Monster Point for more time… eeh, not much creativity there..
Considering CHoppers reaction during that fight was "well nuts, extra time just isn't enough, I really need something else to compete at this level." we're… probably going to get something else next time he has a fight.
Considering CHoppers reaction during that fight was "well nuts, extra time just isn't enough, I really need something else to compete at this level." we're… probably going to get something else next time he has a fight.
Yeah, as much as I think it could have been handled differently, Chopper admitting that none of his attacks were working in light of his extended time limit left me reassured enough that a solid direction to him to go in moving forward would be rethinking his strategies and really take it up a notch, like with haki, if he really wants to support his crew beyond being a doctor. I guess if Chapter 1,044 did anything interesting, it's that Zoans can be flexible enough to stretch into other categories with all sorts of powers, even to an outerwordly level, and it at least excites me to consider if such ideas could be applied to Chopper as well.
I personally hope Oda doesnt turn Chopper into a mythical zoan user, at least not explicitly. That would make 3 mythical zoan strawhats (if Yamato joins) which is 3/5 of DF users in the crew lol.
Plus Chopper has too many transformations already so there really isnt a need for some extra mythical awakening form or anything.
As much as the lack of electro or Sulong more of less leaves the theory dead in the water, I always liked the idea of him having a mink-model fruit.
But I've made my peace with Chopper's fruit just being one of the weird ones if no other explanation comes up.
Hopefully X Drake will find out what is going on, and report back to Coby about Luffy’s new form.
I'm secretly rioting for Apoo to pull up a Yayirobe and cut Kaido's tail.
Not that it accomplishes anything, but it would go along with Apoo's opportunistic nature.
Luffy been a mythical zoan actually explains a lot rather than leave a bad taste. The guys stamina and endurance is ridiculous which is common to Zoan fruits users. Several comments have been made about how his body works. He turns to chibi when he started using G3 same way Chopper turned small after using Monster for 30mins. Luffy literally have different forms he called Gears lol. Other Paramecia users don’t have forms.
Luffy been a mythical zoan actually explains a lot rather than leave a bad taste. The guys stamina and endurance is ridiculous which is common to Zoan fruits users. Several comments have been made about how his body works. He turns to chibi when he started using G3 same way Chopper turned small after using Monster for 30mins. Luffy literally have different forms he called Gears lol. Other Paramecia users don’t have forms.
Of course they do, Gang Bege, Moria have special forms of the DF that change their appearence in a unique way, but Luffys forms/gears resemble Chopper Ball Point.
Not that it accomplishes anything, but it would go along with Apoo's opportunistic nature.
Apoo is definitely selling all this info to Blackbeard. It's heavily implied all the emperors have spies in each others camps and at this point I wouldn't be surprised if Apoo is actually the spy for every side lol.
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I'm glad Luffy finally came up with a new method after Rayleigh told him so over six months in-universe / 250 chapters ago.
I'm glad Luffy finally came up with a new method after Rayleigh told him so over six months in-universe / 250 chapters ago.
More like "was handed to" than "came up with", though.
Oh don't, mind me, just correcting out of boredom, lol
I'm glad Luffy finally came up with a new method after Rayleigh told him so over six months in-universe / 250 chapters ago.
Question is, what does Rayleigh know abut the fruit? Would it be possible, having been on laugh tale, he knew about the Nika fruit and it being the fruit Luffy ate?
If we assume Shanks knew which actual fruit it was, it would be strange if Rayleigh himself didn't know.
Question is, what does Rayleigh know abut the fruit? Would it be possible, having been on laugh tale, he knew about the Nika fruit and it being the fruit Luffy ate?
If we assume Shanks knew which actual fruit it was, it would be strange if Rayleigh himself didn't know.
"I'll just let him discover it on his own, lol"
"I'll just let him discover it on his own, lol"
To be fair Luffy was very adamant about not wanting to hear spoilers :ninja:
Rayleigh looks at a crumpled note Roger left him.
-Oh Nika! I thought Roger just got racist in his old age
Of course they do, Gang Bege, Moria have special forms of the DF that change their appearence in a unique way, but Luffys forms/gears resemble Chopper Ball Point.
Erm nope. Moria doesn’t change at all, he manipulates his own shadow but his base form always remain. No matter what Bege changes to, the actual Bege still exist. Even when he turned to the giant castle. Real Bege was still inside retaining his normal form.
This is all completely different to Luffy becoming something new in each Gears.
Erm nope. Moria doesn’t change at all, he manipulates his own shadow but his base form always remain. No matter what Bege changes to, the actual Bege still exist. Even when he turned to the giant castle. Real Bege was still inside retaining his normal form.
This is all completely different to Luffy becoming something new in each Gears.
I don't want to start an unending debate but we see things differently. Luffy is still Luffy in each gear, he only manipulates parts of him corresponding to his DF capacity. Same as Moria, same as Bege.
I don't see how this
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Luffy been a mythical zoan actually explains a lot rather than leave a bad taste. The guys stamina and endurance is ridiculous which is common to Zoan fruits users. Several comments have been made about how his body works. He turns to chibi when he started using G3 same way Chopper turned small after using Monster for 30mins. Luffy literally have different forms he called Gears lol. Other Paramecia users don’t have forms.
It kind of diminished the Katakuri's fight for me. Oh luffy won because he was capable of enduring hits, he's a tanker who got there by hard work. The deciding factor was his endurance! Oh wait, no ..that's part of his zoan ability…so uh, Katakuri would have won but lost because he unironically had the lesser fruit despite the entire fight framing it as if he had the better one.
It kind of diminished the Katakuri's fight for me. Oh luffy won because he was capable of enduring hits, he's a tanker who got there by hard work. The deciding factor was his endurance! Oh wait, no ..that's part of his zoan ability…so uh, Katakuri would have won but lost because he unironically had the lesser fruit despite the entire fight framing it as if he had the better one.
They're different fruits. The framing is that Katakuri's fruit allows him to not get hit and not fall down or else he would stick. Luffy's fruit allows him to bounce back even after falling to the ground. Nothing changes with the reveal. The new stuff we've learned is consistent with his rubber nature (that is retained with our new understanding). Plus, we don't really know that Hito Hito no Mi fruits provide the same raw strength upgrade that other zoan fruits do, or that all of them have an equal or similar kind of increase.
the entire fight started off with Katakuri acknowledging the similarities of their fruit and himself believing that he had the superior one. Yes, the stickiness factor is correct. Luffy got in lesser hits because of the mendable nature of Katakuri's fruits and Katakuri got more hits because well, rubber isn't mendable. But the impression was that even with lesser hits on Kata, luffy won because of his endurance factor. Now if the hito hito mi is proven to not have the endurance of a zoan (something I believe is unlikely) then yeah, it was luffy's own endurance that carried the fight but with the reveal that if the fruit plays a factor, the merit goes towards the fruit and less towards Luffy's own endurance. So Katakuri would have likely won if the fruit wasn't zoan. I'm not going down the power scale back and forth here but keep in mind that Kata also had awakening, stronger observational, was effectively using his mochi powers to whiplash luffy around and had severely more hits on him. The endurance did play a huge part and might as well be the only reason he won.
the entire fight started off with Katakuri acknowledging the similarities of their fruit and himself believing that he had the superior one. Yes, the stickiness factor is correct. Luffy got in lesser hits because of the mendable nature of Katakuri's fruits and Katakuri got more hits because well, rubber isn't mendable. But the impression was that even with lesser hits on Kata, luffy won because of his endurance factor. Now if the hito hito mi is proven to not have the endurance of a zoan (something I believe is unlikely) then yeah, it was luffy's own endurance that carried the fight but with the reveal that if the fruit plays a factor, the merit goes towards the fruit and less towards Luffy's own endurance. So Katakuri would have likely won if the fruit wasn't zoan. I'm not going down the power scale back and forth here but keep in mind that Kata also had awakening, stronger observational, was effectively using his mochi powers to whiplash luffy around and had severely more hits on him. The endurance did play a huge part and might as well be the only reason he won.
The fruit's power before awakening is that Luffy has the properties of rubber. I don't think Oda's intention is for us to view Luffy as having the properties of rubber (as the Elders said) as well as the properties of most zoans (increased strength, speed, stamina, whatever.) I think this is obvious because Luffy as a kid didn't have those properties. He was still very much a weakling after eating the fruit, as evidenced by his many losses to Ace and Sabo (evidence that he didn't have insane zoan type endurance) and the necessity that he work extremely hard to even be able to throw a good punch. That makes it very clear that at the least his initial strength was not enhanced like most zoans, and I would wager that his endurance, as well, was no more or less bolstered by having the properties of rubber than we've thought from the beginning.
The fruit's power before awakening is that Luffy has the properties of rubber. I don't think Oda's intention is for us to view Luffy as having the properties of rubber (as the Elders said) as well as the properties of most zoans (increased strength, speed, stamina, whatever.) I think this is obvious because Luffy as a kid didn't have those properties. He was still very much a weakling after eating the fruit, as evidenced by his many losses to Ace and Sabo (evidence that he didn't have insane zoan type endurance) and the necessity that he work extremely hard to even be able to throw a good punch. That makes it very clear that at the least his initial strength was not enhanced like most zoans, and I would wager that his endurance, as well, was no more or less bolstered by having the properties of rubber than we've thought from the beginning.
Personally I think people are really overthinking it. Nothing prior to Luffy's Awakening has changed. Dude has insane willpower and a DF that inherently gives him an advantage against blunt attacks. You really don't need to go all "Oh, he's actually a Zoan, that explains things" about it. You could already use the exact same reasoning for his endurance given that he was a man with a rubber body. The story only highlighted the endurance of Zoan users because of them not having normal human bodies while in hybrid form. Likewise, Luffy's body wasn't normal from the start, as some have noted it had more in common with a Zoan's hybrid form than most Paramecia users. The reclassification of his DF is not really relevant as far as his past feats go.
The only thing I would say however is that you could argue the reveal of him being a Zoan user mattered in this exact moment, in that it helps to better swallow him getting back up after seemingly being killed because the one thing we know about Zoan Awakenings is that the users recover quickly.
I'm glad Luffy finally came up with a new method after Rayleigh told him so over six months in-universe / 250 chapters ago.
Surprising your readers> Proper setup :ninja: Luffy getting Lucky> Luffy working for it :ninja:
It doesn't matter if Oda intented to give Luffy this power from the start or just recently, the story +20 years old and a lot of things would be changed for the best or worst.
What we need to ask is if this new power can be contected and linked to the story without having a plot hole or not. and what I think that yes we can.
Some people ask why this power just appeared now? Why WG let Luffy free all this time?
For the WG, this power is just a rumor even for the Five Elders. However, the 5Es they know that WG gave this fruit a new name, which might means that WG and the 5Es decided to declare the true power as a rumor and not real due their failure to capture the fruit for more than 800 years.
Probably, after Shanks stole this fruit they decided to not search for it again. And when Luffy appeared 10 years later they monitored it and saw that Luffy didn't awaken it or notice that it have Zoan properites so they confirmed it as rumor only.
Even if they decided to kill Luffy to prevent the worst possible scenario, they would never manage to do that. As they had tried to kill him for different reasons but failed every time. Adding new reason will not change the results.
Plus, WG they don't to kill any one whenever they want like they have the death note, they need to search, investigate, wait for the proper chance then they strike, otherwise they don't need to add bounties on pirates heads.
Its true that WG is a huge power and they can erase entire island from the map like what they did to Ohara, but Ohara is an island with fixed location can be reached anytime, they managed to erase Ohara but they didn't manage to catch Robin, same goes for Luffy or any other pirate they cannot just kill him whenever they decided to.
But the most important question, why they decided only now to kill Luffy to avoid the worst possible scenario?
Simply, Zunisha appearance, the ex-commarde of Joyboy 800 years ago suddenly appeared next to Wano. plus Luffy managed to stand toe-to-toe against the strongest creature on the world as Luffy did the impossbile on this battle.
Even if it was done with the best of intentions for Monster Trio fanfare, that scene of Sanji attacking Queen after Chopper failed to hold him off more kinda left a bad taste in mouth. It gave me the impression as if Chopper is a pathetic and worthless fighter for not being like Sanji, and while I realize that wasn't Oda's intention, that being followed up with Chopper turning into a baby gramps and standing on the sidelines as if he's better off being left back at the doctor's office didn't make it better for me either.
I suppose Chapter 1044's development in how Zoans have minds/wills of their own and how Zoans in general can be flexible enough to stretch into other categories makes me excited at Chopper's potential in the future, even if it's just speculatory, and perhaps further reinforce the entire crew's worth beyond Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji being the go-to guys for breaking things.
Literally 99% of the OP world at this point
Literally 99% of the OP world at this point
Oh please, Sanji isn't all that, and wait till Chopper awakens his fruit and it is also revealed to be mythological zoan.
Is that you, Nika?
Is that you, Nika?
That's Kuma, silly. It says right there in the intro box.
Oh god, bible. With possibly Nika on the cover. Oden's journal is Yamato's bible. Oden awaited the Messiah Joy Boy. Joy Boy, Nika and Luffy are probably the same. Kuma had the Nikyu Nikyu no Mi (2.9.). Yamato is Kuma's replacement as planned crew member.
It's all connected.
Is that you, Nika?
That angel dude Nika looks really smug.
…oh neat there's some wings in there also! ties nicely to all that bla bla lore stuff
Is that you, Nika?
Ok thats funny. I never realized a person was pictured on the front complete with what looks to be a rising sun. It's got some weird particle effect to it that seemed to be happening with Luffy at the start of his transformation too. Hey even if not intended that's pretty cool!
Ok I just looked at Luffy again from this chapters last page. We got the sun(I think a rising sun), the swirly clouds(in the background but featured around the neck of bible boy like Luffy), wings and funny particle effects on the cover of a bible.
That angel dude Nika looks really smug.
…oh neat there's some wings in there also! ties nicely to all that bla bla lore stuff
There's also some smoke.
I don't think the Gorosei would appreciate Nika being printed on a book like that lol.
Although it would be neat if that was someone from the Void century. Hito Hito no Mi Mythical Zoan Model: Angel
I don't know if it's Nika for real in the Bible, but Kuma's ambitions follow the ideal of liberation considering his role as a Revolutionary, so Joy Boy/Nika could be Kuma's "messiah". Kuma was also the King of the Sorbet Kingdom in the past, so maybe this kingdom was affiliated with the Ancient Kingdom during the Void Century, and they still believe in the return of Joy Boy.
Interestingly, Nika's semblance in the Bible looks very different from other images we have of Nika. It's worth noting that this picture was drawn in Jaya, the Skypiea saga, when Oda started to depict the Sun God more in line with the Shandian aesthetic… so why would it be drawn differently? Perhaps, each kingdom had a different view of Joy Boy, thus why the different aesthetics from one place to another. Or maybe it's not Nika in the Bible.
At last, the "wings" are an interesting detail, because most winged people seem to be part of the ancient lore of OP. That's why I believe Urouge will be quite important in future arcs, and he's a monk btw.
I don't know if it's Nika for real in the Bible, but Kuma's ambitions follow the ideal of liberation considering his role as a Revolutionary, so Joy Boy/Nika could be Kuma's "messiah". Kuma was also the King of the Sorbet Kingdom in the past, so maybe this kingdom was affiliated with the Ancient Kingdom during the Void Century, and they still believe in the return of Joy Boy.
Interestingly, Nika's semblance in the Bible looks very different from other images we have of Nika. It's worth noting that this picture was drawn in Jaya, the Skypiea saga, when Oda started to depict the Sun God more in line with the Shandian aesthetic… so why would it be drawn differently? Perhaps, each kingdom had a different view of Joy Boy, thus why the different aesthetics from one place to another. Or maybe it's not Nika in the Bible.
At last, the "wings" are an interesting detail, because most winged people seem to be part of the ancient lore of OP. That's why I believe Urouge will be quite important in future arcs, and he's a monk btw.
Yeah, Usopp speculated that Kuma saved Luffy from Kizaru and the others because Luffy is Dragon's son, but it's definitely possible that Kuma could have saved Luffy for another reason.
Oh please, Sanji isn't all that, and wait till Chopper awakens his fruit and it is also revealed to be mythological zoan.
I mean, a 1 billion bounty places you n the top 1% so…yeah
Now I'm wondering about Chapter 352:
Now I'm wondering about Chapter 352:
That one, I think, was just for the start of the Year of the Rooster. If the symbolism woks, it works, but I reckon he'd have ended up on that rooster no matter what other name his fruit had.
The spear, the sun, that tribal looking tattoo, the rooster, that thing tied around his neck. I've always loved that color spread and now I'll never look at it the same again. Thanks for bringing that to our attention.
That one, I think, was just for the start of the Year of the Rooster. If the symbolism woks, it works, but I reckon he'd have ended up on that rooster no matter what other name his fruit had.
There's also "Sun Peace" from Chapter 175:
There's also "Sun Peace" from Chapter 175:
Oh now that one, I'm willing to believe is intentional. It was right there, hanging just in front of his crotch the whole time and we never saw it!
And last, but not least, this one really makes me think:
Was listening to the one piece podcast and regarding the whole chosen one thing and I kinda drifted towards that it's a point where we can try and trust and see what Oda does with it. As mentioned in the podcast Oda has generally a good grasp on themes of his stories/arcs and so I'm sure when we know freedom is a part of it he does know too. So it's also very overt in how much some of these recent things do violate/encroach on that freedom theme.
I think chances are relative good that Oda has something of a subversion planned or something else to make it fit altogether cause for all its shortcomings one piece has always been decent about its usage of themes. Like the discussion kind of convinced me that while yeah we're entering dubious territory and all but I don't think Oda would go down this entire route of the conclusion of it all just being yep Luffy had destiny just work out every time. He's displayed enough strong story telling up to this point despite whatever other shortcomings there are that it makes me feel similar to how I knew that Oden wasn't really back and ruin an entire chunk of built up in this arc. So in the same vein it would be such a weird route to go down when I look at the rest of the story.
On a general level I think there is still a lot of room to put things into a context that wouldn't make readers go well Luffy was just the chosen one Zzzzzzz.
We could explore the general idea of what if some of the things that we see as special in Luffy actually didn't matter. Or things could be wrapped up in the context of what if everyone is actually special in a way but only Luffy had the will to grasp it.
And last but not least showing us the failures of past attempts(including joyboy himself) can also put things into a different context.
And last, but not least, this one really makes me think:
I saw another post about this one. Isn't the real clincher there not the namedrop (because in the scene it's just a number pun) but the volume cover, in which the girls are randomly out of order, with Nika in the middle over Luffy's head?
I saw another post about this one. Isn't the real clincher there not the namedrop (because in the scene it's just a number pun) but the volume cover, in which the girls are randomly out of order, with Nika in the middle over Luffy's head?
Yeah, funnily enough, Oda draws Nika in red and white stripped clothing right above Luffy on the first Fishman Island volume, and then proceeds to draw Luffy with red and white stripped clothing on the first Punk Hazard volume.
Literally 99% of the OP world at this point
gripes for 1/3 of this arc is that most of the SHs got the shaft. it's a pivotal fight with a yonko most didn't fight or showed that their growth in the 2 year time skip was lacking. Or their growth since fishman island was meh compared to the first half of grand line. Did Ussop even do anythign with his awakened haki yet?