@Deicide @King-Cannon apparently it was a mistake/typo in the japanese release, and Stephen's version is right: it's 1.111 billion.
@Deicide @King-Cannon apparently it was a mistake/typo in the japanese release, and Stephen's version is right: it's 1.111 billion.
I really don't get your attitude at all. It just seems like you don't get that folks on the other side of your opinion are not being forceful about Carrot or Yamato, just presenting some analysis, which are not meant to be absolute truths with inexorable outcomes, but simply valid readings of the story to substanciate a prediction, even if the outcome does not turn out to be true. But, in your need to "mock", you just mistake the nature of our argument and makes it the opposite of what it is. So you think that saying random shit like "Carrot is always with the minks and I can prove it" is somehow clever parody.
When folks point out that Yamato spent more time bonding with Momo than the SHs, that's just true, and you can check that. This doesn't mean that Yamato won't join the SHs, because that's not a definitive factor at all, since other stuff point towards Yamato joining. It's alright.
But when you try to mirror that by claiming that Carrot spent more time with the minks than with the SHs, that's just factually untrue. It's not even worth considering in the debate, because it's just invention. It just makes you look salty.
Sorry, but I can't waste my time with this discussion. I'll leave.
@Monquito said in Chapter 1059: The Matter Involving Captain Koby:
Amazonians seemed pretty man-hating, feminazi, incel-ish type, I'm impressed they're not questioning their lifestyle when their leaders are continuously falling in love with men.
wtf
About Yamato's reasons presented in this chapter, I think most people are missing out that Yamato didn't choose to stay in Wano only to travel around the country first... at least that's not what the dialogue with Kinnemon seems to point out (IMO). If we look at the timeline of Yamato's decision-making process, he made up his mind about travelling the land of Wano last chapter (1056), AFTER his talk with Luffy when he communicated his decision to stay to the crew, which is made very clear by the chapter since Kinnemon even highlights this detail. So it seems like there's something else omitted to the readers. How important it is, I don't know.
My theory is that Yamato is waiting to "open the borders of Wano", as was Oden's final wish. And, btw, the name Yamato is also a reference to a japanese battleship, and we know that opening Wano is releasing Pluton, a battleship, so...
@wolfwood said in Chapter 1057: The End:
Y'know what never really went anywhere? That swordstealing, shapeshifting fox.
It did serve its purpose in Act II itself. The SHs had three goals there: (a) find the blueprints of Kaido's mansion; (b) recruit enough warriors for the Fire Festival; (c) find weapons for the samurai to fight with.
The twist of Act II is that everything the SHs were looking for had already been achieved by the people Wano who were left behind for 20 years (so Ashura had the blueprints, for example). And it was Gyukimaru (the fox) who collected all the swords for the samurai to fight in the Fire Festival, following the inheritted will from Kawamatsu.
It was a cute sidestory about those two to accomplish a story goal.
@King-Cannon said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
@Deicide said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
@King-Cannon
One could say her defeat to Perospero could be a plot point to be explored in her character arc.Some people say Carrot's character is about freedom, but to me, it's very clearly about strenght. Like, it's the one reason she protests when appointed leader.
If she thinks she's not strong enough to be Zou's ruler, then why would she think she's strong enough to sail with Luffy's crew? The first time she did it, Pedro ended up dead. And like Perospero pointed it out, if you don't want to see your friends die, then don't go out.
And she didn't prove she could do it since Perospero just humiliated her right there.
To me, she needs to become way more capable before she even intends to set sail again.
I don't think Carrot' character is about either freedom or strength. It's more of a coming-to-age story which aimed to make her know herself and her goals by the end of it (the Will of Pedro being the best clue for the end of this development). In my opinion, Carrot becoming the Duchess of Zou is a very proper end to this journey here in Wano, except for the fact it was poorly executed and framed. I just have to accept the lazyness.
Anyway, about strength, I think Carrot is solidly above some of the SHs even in her base form, and her Sulong form is just as strong as Franky Shogun and Monster Chopper. So I cannot look at strength as a downside for her chances of joining. And in case her goal was to get stronger, the best decision she could take is to join the SHs, since that's the path for power growth.
@Shiebs this stowaway theory has been argued for YEARS in the nakama threads and outside this forum. You can scroll through this thread and the past nakama threads and find at least a dozen posts of Shift alone saying it, to not mention other Carrot supporters.
This stowaway idea was always a thing because that's what Carrot did the first time, and because it mirrors the story of the Dukes who did it twice in Oden's flashback. So when it looked like Carrot was unhappy to become the new duchess, this stowaway theory gained more traction, although I'm skeptical. But nobody is moving goalposts. This theory is old.
About Yamato's reasons presented in this chapter, I think most people are missing out that Yamato didn't choose to stay in Wano only to travel around the country first... at least that's not what the dialogue with Kinnemon seems to point out. If we look at the timeline of Yamato's decision-making process, he made up his mind about travelling the land of Wano last chapter (1056), AFTER his talk with Luffy when he communicated to the crew his decision of staying, which is made very clear in the chapter since Kinnemon even highlights this detail. So it seems like there's something else omitted to the readers. How important it is, I don't know. My theory is that Yamato is waiting to "open the borders of Wano", as was Oden's final wish.
As for the twist itself of Yamato staying, my opinion is that Oda did it too late. That's a terrible idea, especially when Oda didn't even properly showcase Yamato's change of mind onscreen. He shouldn't play with readers' expectations like he did throughout this arc about Yamato joining and then disappoint them. Unless Yamato plays a bigger role (as a SH) in the future.
I watched everything in one sitting with a friend yesterday.
We had fun and all that, but I was left more bored and bothered by the live action than genuinely satisfied. It's not bad, but not good either.
Tbh, I was more impressed at the start of the show, when the better aspects of it were already at display, giving me hope the live action could keep raising the bar as things went on. But I felt like it lost breath instead.
They missed the spot in most emotional beats, and sometimes outright avoided them as if disposable. Besides that, there was this unrelenting fast pacing with punchy action music playing on the background almost all the time which made me feel fatigued. One Piece needs time to breath and relax too.
Btw, the soundtrack in particular is super disappointing to me. It's made to sound very professional like a modern Hollywood cliche, but lacks imagination and variety. Most of it sounds samey, undistinguishable and unmemorable. Now think about how much better it would've been had them taken inspiration from the anime OST instead.
The settings were quite good, but something about the camerawork made many parts feel clautrophobic. Also I wish they had used more vibrant and saturated colors throughout the show instead of those darkish/grayish/yellowish filters they chose for some moments.
The casting is mostly good, the main crew in particular. Unfortunately though, Luffy was somewhat awkward. It's an impossible character to portray in live action, so I understand the immense task Inaki had in his hands... but Luffy is too essential for the show to feel right, and Luffy was not quite right enough.
Sanji, Nami and Zoro were all quite alright though. Usopp too, but the character itself was written like a glorified sidecharacter.
Overall, the show is okay. Not as bad as my biggest worries, but it could have been much much better. Somehow they managed to succeed the most where it was easier to fail, and failed where it was easier to succeed. Crazy.
My rating is 5/10.
@SeaOfHope said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
@danie said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
@SeaOfHope Uh, I think @Zik was talking about no Carrot fans arguing for or thinking about Carrot joining down the line.
Basically denying that no Carrot fan has argued for or thinks that.
Not from what was posted.
@theackwardstation argued that
People who root for Carrot have always set Wano as a deadline, ending at the stowaway theory.
which @Zik denied and continued asserting:
If you make a claim you should be able to prove it.
People were always debating that Carrot could stow away. Don't try and reinterpret the situation.
Actually, Zik was demanding a much more ridiculous proof from me. He was making fun that Carrot supporters were moving goalposts for the next arc, something that comes from the voices in his head, and wanted me to provide proof that nobody was saying that, as if that's possible.
@GuetaMinute I don't mean to be contrarian or a hater. I justified my opinion, and why I don't think it's good, although I said it's not bad either.
At the start of the series, I actually thought I'd rate it something like a 7 or an 8 (maybe more), but the show didn't elevate me as it went on. Especially because a lot of the key moments didn't hit as hard as they should, lacking build up or better writing/directing, and that includes the relationship of the main characters.
East Blue may be an underrated saga, but it's filled with brilliant emotional moments that can be tastefully adapted to live action because they're all about core human drama... but these were precisely the stuff which the live action didn't live up to the standard (of One Piece and of cinema), and that weakened the experience significantly. Weirdly enough, they even skipped some of these moments in favor or less interesting stuff.
Meanwhile, the live action succeed well enough in adapting the world of the series and some of the goofy stuff, which was the most unlikely thing to get right. Most of the characterization, comedy and action were good too. Unfortunately, Luffy could be better.
But by the end I just felt fatigued watching the show, especially because of factors I described before, like soundtrack and cinematography, so I can't say I liked it. And since I enjoyed Arlong Park the least of all the arcs, the series ended at its worst for me. It doesn't help that Garp's entire role in this season (which used more screentime than it should) led to a completely uninteresting conclusion that failed to imitate Smoker's catharsis in Loguetown when he saw Gold Roger in Luffy because of the laughing in front of doom.
So yes, I have too many issues with the writing of the show. 5/10 it is.
I watched everything in one sitting with a friend yesterday.
We had fun and all that, but I was left more bored and bothered by the live action than genuinely satisfied. It's not bad, but not good either.
Tbh, I was more impressed at the start of the show, when the better aspects of it were already at display, giving me hope the live action could keep raising the bar as things went on. But I felt like it lost breath instead.
They missed the spot in most emotional beats, and sometimes outright avoided them as if disposable. Besides that, there was this unrelenting fast pacing with punchy action music playing on the background almost all the time which made me feel fatigued. One Piece needs time to breath and relax too.
Btw, the soundtrack in particular is super disappointing to me. It's made to sound very professional like a modern Hollywood cliche, but lacks imagination and variety. Most of it sounds samey, undistinguishable and unmemorable. Now think about how much better it would've been had them taken inspiration from the anime OST instead.
The settings were quite good, but something about the camerawork made many parts feel clautrophobic. Also I wish they had used more vibrant and saturated colors throughout the show instead of those darkish/grayish/yellowish filters they chose for some moments.
The casting is mostly good, the main crew in particular. Unfortunately though, Luffy was somewhat awkward. It's an impossible character to portray in live action, so I understand the immense task Inaki had in his hands... but Luffy is too essential for the show to feel right, and Luffy was not quite right enough.
Sanji, Nami and Zoro were all quite alright though. Usopp too, but the character itself was written like a glorified sidecharacter.
Overall, the show is okay. Not as bad as my biggest worries, but it could have been much much better. Somehow they managed to succeed the most where it was easier to fail, and failed where it was easier to succeed. Crazy.
My rating is 5/10.
@access-timeco said in Volume 104 Predictions/Discussion:
Yeah, this is from chapter 1057 (the expression in 1044 is very different, she is very angry on that one). This is the exact same as 1057.
The thing is that this is not the face she makes on the main panel of the "Kurozumi are born to burn" scene (where she is not even crying and is brimming with confidence), but the one on the end of the page - making the choice for the cover even more awkward.
If Hyori were not crying, then she couldn't be seen as a damsel in distress. Oda couldn't let that fly. He chose the panel where she's crying, of course.
Well, it confirmed my bias indeed, but I thought it was super well written (and in style) to be a throwaway joke... unless it were an "elaborate prank". Count me impressed.
I usually don't follow the patterns of volume leaking, so I can trust anything once I know the volume has been pressed.
@Captain-M I think this is too competent to not be real. And the reason it leaked so early is the relevancy.
I think it's great that Oda has "fixed" the bad connotations from that Hiyori line.
I've been defending here that there's a "good faith" and a "bad faith" interpretation of that line when you take context into account, but I've always stressed that the bad connotation was so offensive that it needed a correction or better explanations from Oda. He couldn't just leave it like that. So I'm glad to see that Oda is acknowledging the problem and purposefully making his intentions clear.
So... Oda felt pressured to reply in an SBS the controversy of a chapter that has not been released in volume yet?
That's interesting.
This week's chapter was awesome! Likely my favorite of the new saga.
I'm happy that we got to see more of Teach vs Law. The battle was super well depicted showing the tactics of each side, and the drawings were on point. The first doublepage is a masterpiece, IMO. It may be an unpopular opinion, but I actually hope we get a team battle of the SHs vs BBP instead of the typical 1v1s. It's more refreshing and creative to me, and there's so much potential for synergies and combos. But of course it would eventually end in a more straightforward Luffy vs Teach.
All that Jimbe and Bonney told us about Kuma was more or less what I already expect, with the exception of the "special race" thing. Btw, in this regard, some people were speculating that Law would discover the secret of Teach's body during their fight, so what if Kuma and Teach are of the same race? It'd be a clever intersection of what they're discussing here in Egghead and the fight at Winner Island, so we could hear an explanation about Kuma from Vegapunk and then Oda cuts to Law getting defeated by Teach.
The SHs' outfits were great except for the bizarre fanservice. It could have been an iconic look for the crew, one of the best ever, but why so much random underwear? lol. It especially doesn't make any sense with what Robin's wearing.
Luckily, after that the chapter ends in a positive note with the revelation of Vegapunk's close connection with Dragon. Can't say it's surprising, but feels good to see it finally happening. But I wonder if it's only Shaka who's friends with Dragon, whereas Lilith is more pro-WG. Probably the original Vegapunk was more all over the place, full of inner conflict and undecisiveness, but his division into six people made each of them more inclined to one side than another.
@Cockycent said in Volume 104 Predictions/Discussion:
@theackwardstation It happened in the story. It's from 1057. The chapter that is supposedly not in this volume.
Yea, I realized that after my comment. It didn't remember it because that panel is right at the side of the much better panel of Hiyori doing that pose with the fan.