So in a scenario where she joins what would her emotional hook be? Like for instance how Luffy took Robins life in his hands when he forced her to live. Or is the scenario just that she kind of just goes with the flow into becoming a crew member? It could feel a little hollow without a lead up like for instance Franky or Robin
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So in a scenario where she joins what would her emotional hook be? Like for instance how Luffy took Robins life in his hands when he forced her to live. Or is the scenario just that she kind of just goes with the flow into becoming a crew member? It could feel a little hollow without a lead up like for instance Franky or Robin
Well, the things left to unpack with Carrot is obviously beating Perospero (in some fashion) to avenge Pedro's sacrifice, somehow understand why Luffy and the Straw Hats are so significant, as well as the Dawn of the World, which she has yet to talk about herself (as mentioned by Monquito many times). These all have the potential to link her to Luffy narratively one way or another. There's also the fact that the Mink Tribe and the Kozuki Clan both wait for the Dawn of the World, but for what reasons are still unknown. The extent and nature of the brotherhood between the Kozuki Clan and Minks don't make much sense but is accepted, if not overlooked since Oden was surprised that Inuarashi and Nekomamushi were valid in saying that their factions are connected. Momo's discussion with Zuneisha should come up as well as the Mink's situation with coming to the fact that they will one day no longer be able to live on top of its back.
The threads are there, but its unknown if or how they'll tie to Carrot and, more importantly, connect her to Luffy.
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Yeah I think it will have something to do with Pedro and what he said to her about the straw hats leading the world to the dawn. If this is so important that Pedro was willing to give his life for it then it may be something Carrot wants to see herself to understand that, and going with the Straw Hats will allow her to. Hopefully the Perospero fight will make that more clear and drive Carrot towards that resolve as the pieces are there, we as readers just need to see that extra push.
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Wano is a very close minded nation, foreign entities and races are not exactly something that have had a strong foothold of in place as we've seen in the Oden's flashback. The Kurozumi situation is a catalyst to what is happening now. Kanjuro himself never revealed he was a Kurozumi till the moment he outed himself as the traitor, despite being one of Oden's most trusted retainers. Speaks a lot of volume of the nature of the citizens of Wano. Yamato is explicitly known as the daughter of the man who killed their beloved leader, just like what happened with Kurozumis doing to the Kozukis in the past. So unless something changes or somehow its addressed, history will repeat.
This would ignore a theme of One Piece and well this arc in general change the World of One Piece is at the pinnacle of change soon as the war of the world will soon happen to change the structure of it, he’ll you could argue change is a big role in every arc.
Wano the guards of old/old ways are making there last stand as the new generation of pirates are here to make there impact and change Wano/World, Wano is going to change Oden pretty much said as much in his flashback that Wano must change to be ready for when the figure arrives, open its borders.
Hell Wano is pretty allegorical to old time Japan and he’ll even current Japan, Japan needs to change in order to be ready for the world it can’t be an isolationist country anymore, it can’t have the naked and abrasive anti Korean laws it/used to have, it needs to change to fix the problems it’s currently facing and opening to the world and being accepting of other cultures is a must, there still active people in its government denying and he’ll celebrating the awful people and crimes they committed during the early 1900s too the end of WW2 why
One Piece is a pretty left series when you look at it’s messages Wano is gonna change, I think trying to argue it’s not is not a good stance it needs to.I’ll stop with the meta commentary of this thread but people hey if your for Carrot all power to you as long as your not an ass no one be beefing, but when you go on for lengths about how and why’s and such go to all the details yet downplay Yamato by saying stuff like,Wanos not going to change, Tied to Momo and downplaying there own wishes and statements about wanting to leave there nuance, I’m sorry it’s aggravating and not helping this thread at all I know others feel the exact same way and not to say others didn’t do it to carrot they did but let’s not have this shit continue (this ins't just aimed at you)
Might as well call Yamato a she.
Bias was brought up earlier yes everyone has them, but that doesn’t mean one can’t set aside ones own biases or heck even acknowledge and confront them this shouldn’t even be hard for something as so non serious as this it’s not Racial bias that’s been ingrained in society.
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This would ignore a theme of One Piece and well this arc in general change the World of One Piece is at the pinnacle of change soon as the war of the world will soon happen to change the structure of it, he’ll you could argue change is a big role in every arc.
Wano the guards of old/old ways are making there last stand as the new generation of pirates are here to make there impact and change Wano/World, Wano is going to change Oden pretty much said as much in his flashback that Wano must change to be ready for when the figure arrives, open its borders.
Hell Wano is pretty allegorical to old time Japan and he’ll even current Japan, Japan needs to change in order to be ready for the world it can’t be an isolationist country anymore, it can’t have the naked and abrasive anti Korean laws it/used to have, it needs to change to fix the problems it’s currently facing and opening to the world and being accepting of other cultures is a must, there still active people in its government denying and he’ll celebrating the awful people and crimes they committed during the early 1900s too the end of WW2 why
One Piece is a pretty left series when you look at it’s messages Wano is gonna change, I think trying to argue it’s not is not a good stance it needs to.I’ll stop with the meta commentary of this thread but people hey if your for Carrot all power to you, but when you go on for lengths about how and why’s and such go to all the details yet downplay Yamato by saying stuff like,Wanos not going to change, Tied to Momo and downplaying there own wishes and statements about wanting to leave there nuance, I’m sorry it’s aggravating and not helping this thread at all I know others feel the exact same way and not to say others didn’t do it to carrot they did but let’s not have this shit continue.
Might as well call Yamato a she.
Bias was brought up earlier yes everyone has them, but that doesn’t mean one can’t set aside ones own biases or heck even acknowledge and confront them this shouldn’t even be hard for something as so non serious as this it’s not Racial bias that’s been ingrained in society.
I mainly say that because change in society, especially within Wano, is not something that is going to be changed immediately and its something I am acknowledging. For example, Fishman Island has a long history of racial discrimination and one of their resentments is against humankind. Not all Fishmen have this view, but its a prominent theme that continues to persist. When Sanji was losing blood from a stupid nosebleed, none of the officers present or mermaids offered. When it again happened to Luffy after saving their entire island from destruction, despite being their savior, they were still clinging on to the old laden law till Jinbe stepped in to share his blood with Luffy.
I can see the same thing in Wano because as the saying goes, "old habits die hard." Yes, this is a fictional story, but Oda has shown that, in his story, its going to take a while for points of views to change and I think no differently in Wano. The persecution of the Kurozumi Clan, no matter how non-threatening they were, from children to the elderly, is the best example of this. Imagine if Tama and/or Toko were revealed to be Kurozumi(s). I think those were theories in the past here, funnily enough, by Solid. Do you think, knowing Wano's past actions, they would treat those 2 girls amicably and hold no resentment from Orochi towards them? Now Kaido, the person who killed their beloved leader, rings a similar tone to what what Orochi's ancestor did in the past to one of the Kozuki showguns, and that's how the persecution started. It's going to be addressed, yes. It's going to be resolved somehow, but Oda never showed me it would be immediate. The only thing closest to that would be the Skypeians and the Shandians and that was because Gan Fall made the effort to make peace with them when he was "God" before the Birkans led by Enel showed up.
That's just how I see it. In terms of narrative significance, currently Yamato has Carrot beat. However, I see a lot grinding against her which is why I'm a skeptic heralding red herring.
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Wano is a very close minded nation, foreign entities and races are not exactly something that have had a strong foothold of in place as we've seen in the Oden's flashback. The Kurozumi situation is a catalyst to what is happening now. Kanjuro himself never revealed he was a Kurozumi till the moment he outed himself as the traitor, despite being one of Oden's most trusted retainers. Speaks a lot of volume of the nature of the citizens of Wano. Yamato is explicitly known as the daughter of the man who killed their beloved leader, just like what happened with Kurozumis doing to the Kozukis in the past. So unless something changes or somehow its addressed, history will repeat.
If Fishman Island can look past centuries of discrimination and celebrate the (mostly) human Straw Hats as their saviors then the close-minded Wano can surely do the same after witnessing Yamato's resolve. And Kaidou is conveniently bringing the fight to the flower capital.
Yamato is also the daughter of the guy who killed Momonosuke's parents, burned down their castle, basically enslaved their nation and made him travel 20 years into the future to be safe from him and his goonies. Momonosuke has as much a personal grudge against Kaidou as Wano's citizens, if not more, same for Shinobu. They got over that fun fact rather quickly. -
If Fishman Island can look past centuries of discrimination and celebrate the (mostly) human Straw Hats as their saviors then the close-minded Wano can surely do the same after witnessing Yamato's resolve. And Kaidou is conveniently bringing the fight to the flower capital.
Yamato is also the daughter of the guy who killed Momonosuke's parents, burned down their castle, basically enslaved their nation and made him travel 20 years into the future to be safe from him and his goonies. Momonosuke has as much a personal grudge against Kaidou as Wano's citizens, if not more, same for Shinobu. They got over that fun fact rather quickly.Don’t forget Slavery they endured
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If Fishman Island can look past centuries of discrimination and celebrate the (mostly) human Straw Hats as their saviors then the close-minded Wano can surely do the same after witnessing Yamato's resolve. And Kaidou is conveniently bringing the fight to the flower capital.
Yamato is also the daughter of the guy who killed Momonosuke's parents, burned down their castle, basically enslaved their nation and made him travel 20 years into the future to be safe from him and his goonies. Momonosuke has as much a personal grudge against Kaidou as Wano's citizens, if not more, same for Shinobu. They got over that fun fact rather quickly.The Fishmen also looked up to Whitebeard as their savior and protector as well. Roger and his crew have an amicable relationship with the Royal Family. That didn't change some of their views nor the decades of discrimination. True change is going to have to be made. Luffy making Fishman Island his territory and befriending the citizens is one thing, but like Fukaboshi put it, Fishman Island needed to be reset to zero.
Otohime's drunken speech.
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The persecution of the Kurozumis was ruthless and it was what had made Orochi's goal to just make everyone his target. The same person who was a target of the people now became the one with the power to make them his victims. The presecution was something Oden even was unaware about, meaning yeah, it'll more than likely be mentioned again. Just because Momo and Shinobu are accepting of Yamato doesn't mean everyone will be.
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There really shouldn't be any doubts that Wano would accept Yamato. Once Momo vouches for him, that's it. And it wouldn't just be Momo. Luffy (the eventual hero) would as well. Besides, there's no indication that anyone other than Kaido's crew even knows that Yamato exists. Momo and Shinobu sure didn't.
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We've seen some scenes showing Wano citzens being vile and resentful (against the Kurozumi, and also against Neko and Inu in the flashback), but I didn't see a lot of narrative focus on their mentality and prejudices, so I don't know if there's a theme going on about the "cycle of hatred" in Wano, even if that's implied by Orochi's story. Maybe Oda will make something about it at the end of the arc (with Yamato or a secret Kurozumi laying around), but it's not quite like Skypiea and Fishmen Island where the popular feeling was an important element to the narrative throughout the arc, so it could be resolved rather quickly.
On another note, I won't lose the opportunity to mention again that my pet theory that opening the borders of Wano will have an immigrational theme to it, with the fishmen people and even the minks moving to the island… so yes, I guess Wano citzens would have to learn to live with others in case the theory materializes, and it should be a slow process until completely peaceful coexistence.
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There really shouldn't be any doubts that Wano would accept Yamato. Once Momo vouches for him, that's it. And it wouldn't just be Momo. Luffy (the eventual hero) would as well. Besides, there's no indication that anyone other than Kaido's crew even knows that Yamato exists. Momo and Shinobu sure didn't.
It's not that I doubt it, just that its not like the citizens of Wano are going to just change immediately. One of the reasons why Wano needs to open the borders is because their views are outdated and exposing them to the outside world will help change their views. From the Minks to Fishmen, even Yamato isn't safe. She has horns on her head, that already exposes her.
I'm not saying they won't change, just that it won't be immediate or solved easily.
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When Pedro comes back they can both set out to sea together.
And Yams can go see all the floating upside down waterfalls of the OP world.And Tama can marry Momo and be his bewitching ninja girl 4 ever.
And the Strawhats can set out to outpace all of these non-hats once and for all.
When Pedro comes back he will be invited to the Strawhat crew. Dude sacrificed his life to save them. No other candidate, dead or alive, compares…except Bon Clay.:ninja:
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He and Pell can go chill on the reversed sacrifices island
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The Fishmen also looked up to Whitebeard as their savior and protector as well. Roger and his crew have an amicable relationship with the Royal Family. That didn't change some of their views nor the decades of discrimination. True change is going to have to be made. Luffy making Fishman Island his territory and befriending the citizens is one thing, but like Fukaboshi put it, Fishman Island needed to be reset to zero.
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The persecution of the Kurozumis was ruthless and it was what had made Orochi's goal to just make everyone his target. The same person who was a target of the people now became the one with the power to make them his victims. The presecution was something Oden even was unaware about, meaning yeah, it'll more than likely be mentioned again. Just because Momo and Shinobu are accepting of Yamato doesn't mean everyone will be.
I'm not saying everyone will be accepting. Again, I don't even think Yamato needs to be accepted by Wano's citizens "despite" being Kaidou's daughter. My point is that there has been enough precedent and similar situations that if Yamato needs to be admired by the citizens like Oden was, it would fit with what the story has established. It could even be the reason for Wano to break the cycle of hate when Momonosuke shows his gratitude and respect towards their country's oppressor's daughter, proving that bloodlines aren't inherently evil.
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I'm not saying everyone will be accepting. Again, I don't even think Yamato needs to be accepted by Wano's citizens "despite" being Kaidou's daughter. My point is that there has been enough precedent and similar situations that if Yamato needs to be admired by the citizens like Oden was, it would fit with what the story has established. It could even be the reason for Wano to break the cycle of hate when Momonosuke shows his gratitude and respect towards their country's oppressor's daughter, proving that bloodlines aren't inherently evil.
If Yamato is joining then he won't even stick around to be exposed to any potential hate.That's why I came to view Yamato as the answer to the question how will Oda show Wano's outdated view changes since Orochi is irredeemable and Kanjuro's treachery betrays every bit oh hope there was for representing a good Kurozumi unless what Solid theorized years ago is true and Tama herself is one. If that one comes true @__Solid__, I will personally congratulate you.
Regardless, Luffy told her if she wants to be like Oden, she would need to have everyone's admiration and support. She and Luffy can't know that if she leaves Wano without that ever being confirmed. Only time can tell at this point.
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I liked the balance of focus in FI arc for Jinbe and Shirahoshi. It edged a lil towards Shirahoshi because Jinbe's story had to continue immediately, while it was more to establish her as crucial for later.
Makes me think about the balance between Momo and Kinemon. Kinemon has clearly surpassed him in focus for all of this arc and way more than Shirahoshi did to Jinbe. It's telegraphing that while Kinemon is getting his closure here, Momo might not stay around. Luffy going up to Kinemon like Goku at the last minute added to my suspicion.
Might leave Wano with his sister who knows the people more and fits the changed mindset needed. He is not worthy. At every turn, that's all I saw from Momo. Looks like he might have to take the Oden route with 3 tag a longs like Izo, Inu and Neko to learn more.
Lot of ways Oda can go with this if Momo is not staying around and that might be why Kinemon is getting this treatment
- Momo, Shinobu, Tama, Carrot/ Yamato is main SH
- Momo, Shinobu, Yamato, Carrot/ Tama is main SH
- Momo, Shinobu, Yamato, Tama/ Carrot is the main SH
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That's why I came to view Yamato as the answer to the question how will Oda show Wano's outdated view changes since Orochi is irredeemable and Kanjuro's treachery betrays every bit oh hope there was for representing a good Kurozumi unless what Solid theorized years ago is true and Tama herself is one. If that one comes true @__Solid__, I will personally congratulate you.
Regardless, Luffy told her if she wants to be like Oden, she would need to have everyone's admiration and support. She and Luffy can't know that if she leaves Wano without that ever being confirmed. Only time can tell at this point.
You must have mixed me up with someone else, Im actually against Kurozomi Tama haha, and if she is one, I think it would go against her joining the crew…
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I liked the balance of focus in FI arc for Jinbe and Shirahoshi. It edged a lil towards Shirahoshi because Jinbe's story had to continue immediately, while it was more to establish her as crucial for later.
Makes me think about the balance between Momo and Kinemon. Kinemon has clearly surpassed him in focus for all of this arc and way more than Shirahoshi did to Jinbe. It's telegraphing that while Kinemon is getting his closure here, Momo might not stay around. Luffy going up to Kinemon like Goku at the last minute added to my suspicion.
Might leave Wano with his sister who knows the people more and fits the changed mindset needed. He is not worthy. At every turn, that's all I saw from Momo. Looks like he might have to take the Oden route with 3 tag a longs like Izo, Inu and Neko to learn more.
Lot of ways Oda can go with this if Momo is not staying around and that might be why Kinemon is getting this treatment
- Momo, Shinobu, Tama, Carrot/ Yamato is main SH
- Momo, Shinobu, Yamato, Carrot/ Tama is main SH
- Momo, Shinobu, Yamato, Tama/ Carrot is the main SH
I would have maybe followed this if Carrot was taking action to be around and protect Momonosuke like Tama, Shinobu, and recently Yamato have. One of the reasons Tama got captured when Luffy met her was that she protested that the Kozuki's would return and had been actively around Momonosuke's side for a majority of Act 2. It doesn't hurt that she's also the same age as him.
Carrot had a moment to potentially show that during Act 2 during the downtime prior to the raid or when she, Nami, and Shinobu went to rescue Momo from execution. But she and Nami acted as bait for Shinobu, re-aligned herself with the SH, and then flaked to go fight Perospero. Honestly typing this really makes me see how all over the place Oda is putting Carrot.
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You must have mixed me up with someone else, Im actually against Kurozomi Tama haha, and if she is one, I think it would go against her joining the crew…
Well damn son, sorry. Memory on that is faulty, but I do know that theory was brought up in one of these threads.
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Kurozomi Tama reminds me of Hiyori = Tama, people are just trying to find a reason for her panel time and can’t accept she is set up for something bigger
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I would have maybe followed this if Carrot was taking action to be around and protect Momonosuke like Tama, Shinobu, and recently Yamato have. One of the reasons Tama got captured when Luffy met her was that she protested that the Kozuki's would return and had been actively around Momonosuke's side for a majority of Act 2. It doesn't hurt that she's also the same age as him.
Carrot had a moment to potentially show that during Act 2 during the downtime prior to the raid or when she, Nami, and Shinobu went to rescue Momo from execution. But she and Nami acted as bait for Shinobu, re-aligned herself with the SH, and then flaked to go fight Perospero. Honestly typing this really makes me see how all over the place Oda is putting Carrot.
It makes me suspect if Carrot is anti Kozuki. Just kidding. As long as I wait for Carrot to be paired with Momo, like Tama, Yamato and Shinobu, it still hasn't happened. She could have been used like the 3 Musketeers to stand by the steps.
Instead, she gets Pero as Jinbe gets Who's Who, Franky/Sasaki, etc. I can see a situation where Carrot surpasses her teacher (Wanda) to defeat Pero and honors her other teacher (Pedro).
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Wano is a very close minded nation, foreign entities and races are not exactly something that have had a strong foothold of in place as we've seen in the Oden's flashback. The Kurozumi situation is a catalyst to what is happening now. Kanjuro himself never revealed he was a Kurozumi till the moment he outed himself as the traitor, despite being one of Oden's most trusted retainers. Speaks a lot of volume of the nature of the citizens of Wano. Yamato is explicitly known as the daughter of the man who killed their beloved leader, just like what happened with Kurozumis doing to the Kozukis in the past. So unless something changes or somehow its addressed, history will repeat.
The whole underarching theme of One Piece and of Wano is about change and understanding. Momo's entire journey is about learning about that directly from the Straw Hats, and not from keeping the traditions of the Wano citizens.
Luffy showing Momo he respects him as an equal and nothing more or less. Oden wanting to open the borders and change the face of Wano. All of the retainers learning about the world in their past multi-arc journey with the Straw Hats. The whole Ace connection and the 'sins of the father' themes pushed forward.
Wano is going to undergo a massive change by the end of this arc. There's really no reason to put any of these standards against Yamato when he's not actually done anything to the Wano people himself. And now he has a direct connection to saving and protecting Momonosuke, the future Shogun. It doesn't matter what the Wano people think; they will learn the truths and they will accept it; just as they learned the truth of Yasuie.
The Strawhat alliance is tearing down the current regime. The borders of Wano will be opened. The people will see Yamato as one of the good guys. It's not a matter of if something changes, only a matter of when.
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The whole underarching theme of One Piece and of Wano is about change and understanding. Momo's entire journey is about learning about that directly from the Straw Hats, and not from keeping the traditions of the Wano citizens.
Luffy showing Momo he respects him as an equal and nothing more or less. Oden wanting to open the borders and change the face of Wano. All of the retainers learning about the world in their past multi-arc journey with the Straw Hats. The whole Ace connection and the 'sins of the father' themes pushed forward.
Wano is going to undergo a massive change by the end of this arc. There's really no reason to put any of these standards against Yamato when he's not actually done anything to the Wano people himself. And now he has a direct connection to saving and protecting Momonosuke, the future Shogun. It doesn't matter what the Wano people think; they will learn the truths and they will accept it; just as they learned the truth of Yasuie.
The Strawhat alliance is tearing down the current regime. The borders of Wano will be opened. The people will see Yamato as one of the good guys. It's not a matter of if something changes, only a matter of when.
You are right, this was what I clarified later.
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Wait… Crocodile's are green right? Maybe Sir Crocdile's color can be lime green :ninja:
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No. He invited Chopper because he was a talking reindeer and he thought that was cool. When Luffy decided to invite Chopper he had only seen him transform once (from Brain to Muscle point) and that was it.
The only reason Luffy invited Brook was because he was a Skeleton. He literally knew nothing about him when he asked him to join. There's no definitive metric for why Luffy would ask someone.Either a character asks him and he says yes or he asks a character and they say yes. The crew get a bit of veto in the process and if someone says no, like Sanji originally did, Luffy won't force them to join him.
So it doesn't matter if Luffy hasn't seen Carrot's transformation, he was already her friend before that. The only thing stopping Carrot from joining the crew is if Carrot doesn't want to join the crew.
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Oden's role was to read poneglyphs, if he explained in the journal how to do it, yamato could know how to read it too. With Law, kidd, BB interested in OP, the only way to make the OP race fair is if the 3 get ways to read poneglyphs too. Law/Kidd could get yamato, BB could get 3 eyes tribe.
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Hi everyone, first time posting in the forum after my old account lost!
The new nakama discussion is always interesting to follow even if (from my time in AP back then) the only character the fandom nominated and succeed is Jinbe. I was a Jinbe supporter back then so I'm very happy he finally joined the crew!
Now in Wano, from all the candidates available, it seems the leading "horses" are Carrot, Tama and Yamato. Tbh all of them are very interesting and could provide the crew with many useful things… but I was stubbornly on the camp of "no new nakama after Jinbe".
I was, until ch 1000. Because Oda managed to sway my opinions to one character... which is Yamato (a rather mainstream choice, I know) :ninja:
The thing that managed to sway me is the fact that Yamato knew about Luffy's true dream (from Ace), even though as far as we know, no one else in the crew knows. But suddenly this outsider knew!
Yamato even cried upon hearing that, and vowed that she won't ever laugh at Luffy…
This, IMO, is the biggest moment for Yamato so far. Knowing about Luffy's true dream, who was then someone unknown to her. The dream that only known by Luffy's sworn brothers, not even Luffy's besties at the crew.
So far my opinion of "no new nakama" vs "Yamato" is kinda 70 - 30 so yeah, that was a big moment for me to decide.
Thanks for reading!
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Thank you for this, I remembered Luffy said that exactly, but I didn't feel like searching for it.
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Hi everyone, first time posting in the forum after my old account lost!
The new nakama discussion is always interesting to follow even if (from my time in AP back then) the only character the fandom nominated and succeed is Jinbe. I was a Jinbe supporter back then so I'm very happy he finally joined the crew!
Now in Wano, from all the candidates available, it seems the leading "horses" are Carrot, Tama and Yamato. Tbh all of them are very interesting and could provide the crew with many useful things… but I was stubbornly on the camp of "no new nakama after Jinbe".
I was, until ch 1000. Because Oda managed to sway my opinions to one character... which is Yamato (a rather mainstream choice, I know) :ninja:
The thing that managed to sway me is the fact that Yamato knew about Luffy's true dream (from Ace), even though as far as we know, no one else in the crew knows. But suddenly this outsider knew!
Yamato even cried upon hearing that, and vowed that she won't ever laugh at Luffy…
This, IMO, is the biggest moment for Yamato so far. Knowing about Luffy's true dream, who was then someone unknown to her. The dream that only known by Luffy's sworn brothers, not even Luffy's besties at the crew.
So far my opinion of "no new nakama" vs "Yamato" is kinda 70 - 30 so yeah, that was a big moment for me to decide.
Thanks for reading!
Welcome Back .
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I don't understand the big gripe y'all have against Carrot joining? She wouldn't be out of place on the crew and let's stop acting like SH's are a regular crew anyways
I'm not against Yamato at all if she joins but the amount of hate and downright dismissal of her relationship to the crew i see from some the posts are confusing to me but I'm team Carrot all the way but I won't be disappointed if Yamato makes the final cut either there's potential to expand and do more with both characters and I wanna see more of Yamato's personality outisde of this Oden thing, how they'll gel with everyone else,, what gag will they have etc
I do wish Kine'mon was in the top running he would be an awesome addition but they need another female on the crew
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That's not the moment Luffy chose to recruit him though. When he decided on it, he didn't know about the 7 transformations. This is just a fun extra that made Chopper more tantalising, but Luffy already wanted Chopper long before then.
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I don't understand the big gripe y'all have against Carrot joining?
If the series was going to last for literally forever and the crew could just keep expanding till it had 14 or 20 members or something, it'd be fine.
But it's nearing the end, most of the evidence points to there only being space for one more, Oda's already having trouble blancing the crew size he has, so whoever remains needs to be Oda delivering on all cylinders… not just "good enough." It feels like she comes up short compared to the rest of the crew in terms of development, backstory, ambition, emotional attachment, etc, and she's been around for 200 chapters.
She's fine as a secondary tagalong. No problem being a guest for a few years. No problems with her as a character. But if she's it for the remaining 5-8 years of the series, it feels like a bit of a stepdown from everyone that preceded her.
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I think a problem with that is how she has been introduced. Zou was super short and was more of a set-up arc for the next two which have been heavily focused on the villains and then Sanji and the Samurai respectively. Carrot has had little bits here and there in the former arc but she hasn't been as central to the plot as Franky, Chopper of Brook were in their arcs. But if she does join I'm sure the next arc, which should be more Straw Hat centric, would give her plenty more to be invested in.
It's like when Robin was introduced. The arc before she joined she had a few moments here and there but she arguably only had three scenes about her: vs Pell, vs Tashigi and vs Crocodile (and arguably that second one is more of a Tashigi scene than a Robin one). Then in Jaya and Skypeia she was just there. I wouldn't say she played a major role in either arc tbh. We had to wait until the end of the Davy Back Fight and Water 7 to finally start getting a bigger focus on Robin. The same thing could happen with Carrot where there wasn't much time or space for her to have a major emotional role in these last two arcs but once that story is out of the way things should open up for it.
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We will agree to disagree on the feasibility/actuality of that :P
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This is the greatest way to express the sentiment. Hope lives in AP. I'm so used to Twitter.
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I'd love to hear your thoughts about Tama and her joining the crew, although I suspect you will take similar stance as Robby and reference chapter 1, that meaning, no kids will join.
Some questions I still have about Tama,
The most obvious one, what the deal with the one year missing in her timeline?
How did she know the Kozuki will come back?
She said she came to Onigashima as a samurai, is that just her speaking as a wano-person or is there more to it? is she from a Samurai family?
What exactly has she been doing since Ace left Wano?
We got a few hints, Hitetsu said she weaved hats day in and day out.
she said "I finally tamed the vicious wild mountain baboon to be my on my side", meaning she tried to tame it before? And does she have a bunch of animals on her side we havn't seen yet?
When and how did she eat her devil fruit?
She said she has been working on to be a kunoichi, is her trying to tame Hihimaru before and recruiting him to her side a part of her kunoichi work?
Did she ever even feed Komachiyo a dango? Luffy said "I guess you didnt turn into a servant by dumpling, huh?" to Komachiyo, so how did Komachiyo end up being her companion and since when? The only other Samurai with an animal companion I can remember in Wano is Ushitora and Onimaru… Another connection to Ringo along with the apple connection I made before? hmmm. -
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Everyone will join as an official card-carrying member of the Strawhat Grandfleet, to be called upon when necessary. Not out of duty or any that, just when a friend needs help.
Tama and Momo will join on the core crew on the ship as apprentices. But only after fulfilling two "impossible" conditions Luffy will set at the current time, thinking himself so clever.
Tama - Only after she's become an enchanting Kunoichi. She "cheats" by having someone present at the time ( likely Bonny ) temp change her into an adult, but just for 1 day.
Momo - Only after he's become Shogun…which would effectively keep him stuck on Wano for some time, Luffy thinks. Nah, Momo freely gives up leadership. There'll be plenty of reasons why, and lots of new Shoguns waiting in the wings. Heh.
Inclusive as can be.
Edit: come to think of it...once every child character that appears throughout this mega arc appears, we'll end up with each Strawhat gaining at least two apprentices. To join them when they become Division Commanders with each their own ship in the Final War.
Toko - Can only join when she becomes a boy/man. Reminds Luffy that she should referred to as O-toko. Cue the gag. Joins Robin one day.
There'll be more from Wano and beyond.
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If you want to argue Zhenja that Luffy hasn't had a serious and narratively intensive conversation with Carrot that would constitute as substantial, that's one thing, but Luffy's had plenty of casual interactions with her by this point
Why are you changing the subject?
We were talking about substantial interactions, nothing else…Yamato has no due date.
Then why say she's reaching her "nakama expiration date"?
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Why are you changing the subject?
We were talking about substantial interactions, nothing else…You might want to clarify that in a better context, because her arrival on the Sunny when they departed from Zou can be considered substantial since her active participation is what contributed to the success of the retrieval mission.
You can say there's not that many and that it personally bears no weight naratively, but a lot of the arguments here make it come off like Luffy doesn't acknowledge her existence unless grouped with the rest, which is wrong.
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Why are you changing the subject?
We were talking about substantial interactions, nothing else…Then why say she's reaching her "nakama expiration date"?
Does every character besides Carrot has this date?Expiration date is flawed logic. Why not put a spotlight on flawed logic?
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You might want to clarify that in a better context, because her arrival on the Sunny when they departed from Zou can be considered substantial since her active participation is what contributed to the success of the retrieval mission.
You can say there's not that many and that it personally bears no weight naratively, but a lot of the arguments here make it come off like Luffy doesn't acknowledge her existence unless grouped with the rest, which is wrong.
Collectively losing Pedro is only unsubstantial in this thread. As if Franky had a moment before joining that is equal to losing a friend in the immediate story.
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Collectively losing Pedro is only unsubstantial in this thread. As if Franky had a moment before joining that is equal to losing a friend in the immediate story.
What? I feel like you couldn't have chosen a worse character to make that argument with. Franky has so many substantial moments before joining, even if you don't add his flashback and the fact that he was taught by Tom, who created the Oro Jackson. Carrot losing Pedro is a substantial thing, but the fact that there is so much argument and debate EVERYWHERE about whether she's a crewmate is because it's not as substantial as everything we learned about Franky and saw him do during Water 7/Enies Lobby.
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What? I feel like you couldn't have chosen a worse character to make that argument with. Franky has so many substantial moments before joining, even if you don't add his flashback and the fact that he was taught by Tom, who created the Oro Jackson. Carrot losing Pedro is a substantial thing, but the fact that there is so much argument and debate EVERYWHERE about whether she's a crewmate is because it's not as substantial as everything we learned about Franky and saw him do during Water 7/Enies Lobby.
Who said Franky has no substantial moments? Saying that he has nothing compared to losing a friend in the immediate story is factual. He has nothing to equal that. Hence why nothing can be brought up to counter that statement.
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they all collectively lost Pell, I see no Vivi around.
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Outside of Luffy and Vivi, none of them knew Pell afaik
Point is, collectively losing whoever, is never lead anyone into joining the crew.
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I don't believe that was the initial point
In this thread? it always is.
but you didn't use a good character example.
Oh I did. you're just viewing things as the omniscient reader that knows things that the SH's don't.
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Oh I did. you're just viewing things as the omniscient reader that knows things that the SH's don't.
Only 2 of the Straw Hats even know of Pell's existence. Pedro was at least known by them all, only better acquainted with the Sanji Retrieval Group. Nami, Chopper, Brook were mourning alongside Carrot, Luffy was spurred further into action from his sacrifice, Jinbe was being resolute, and Sanji was feeling guilty before Carrot attempted to comfort him. Compared to Vivi, who was the only one to mourn his sacrifice and it was short lived anyways. That's no omniscience, that's just fact.
