After 2 years of debating, it's really nice to just say "I told you so."
Granted, the reason for why Yamato decided to stay behind is completely inane and dissolves her off any chance of developing as a character, but the simple notion that she was a red herring all along and that I and many others were right in being skeptical makes this kinda worth it.
@Zik said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
@theackwardstation said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
@Zik said in [Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World)
When you say literally nobody said that do you mean just in this thread or at all?
Cuz there have been Carrot and next nakama thread discussions going on in spoiler threads, chapter threads, and wherever else on this forum.
Nobody said that at all in this forum. People who root for Carrot have always set Wano as a deadline, ending at the stowaway theory.
LOL
You really can’t back that up with any proof but okay. All of the Carrot for nakama posters are all on the same page about when they’ll stop carrying on their Carrot for nakama talk.
January 7th, 2021
...Therefore, if Carrot wants to join and tag along again, there's no reason that I see why Luffy would turn her down. He's familiar enough with her, more familiar than he initially was with Robin when they met outside of curiosity, and they are perfectly fine friends as it is. If Carrot invites herself, like when she stows away again, Luffy is gonna roll with it and let her. If anything of her character stirs up, then so be it. There's plausibility here, that's all I'm reinforcing. The only thing stopping Carrot is herself.
EDIT: Found another.
January 4th, 2021
...Contrary to what Shift believes, I'm of the belief that Carrot doesn't officially join the crew when Wano concludes, but will stowaway (again), follow them to the next island which hopefully will be Elbaf so that her interest in giants might be shown, and by then we'll have more insight into her end goal as well as purpose. She needs time to develop, maybe she'll grow more than we hypothesize in this arc, but I fail to understand how she won't continue being around the Straw Hats when Pedro's last words were to know their significance and then peeps are saying she simply goes away thereafter.
EDIT: Another one.
November 15th, 2020
She has shown many times that she can do whatever she wants with no one's approval. She has a a responsibility to her people? Where was that ever shown? The moment her status as a Kingsbird became null and void, she yeeted herself off Zou to help out the crew on her own volition and continues to do whatever she wants on her own volition. She's a complete independent variable. So if she wants to stow away again to seek her adventure or further her goals, she's gonna do it.
From @AvocadoInTheRain
March 8th, 2018
This is only a problem if Luffy's actively recruiting. I think she'll either stow away again or, if that's too similar to Robin, straight up ask to join. That's a dynamic we haven't seen yet in the series. Brook was already asked and the grand fleet thing was extremely official and ritualized, but a character asking to join the crew with the same level of emotion and determination that Luffy usually asks people to join would be interesting.
I've said this many times, this is just the most recent I could find and I know I'm not the only one who has said something along this ballpark.
I don't know why you guys like acting rude towards people who support Carrot as the next nakama and have had their reasons all these years. It's been a fact, in all the years I've spent in this thread, the goalposts have consistently moved against Carrot to promote other people's agendas.
Carrot appearing on Volume 88 alongside the Straw Hats don't mean anything, but Yamato appearing on Volume 100 in a side by side view by Ace does.
Carrot being on merchandise labeled as "The Straw Hat Crew" doesn't mean anything and it was rationalized as the only panel they could get with Jinbe despite the double spread panel on Chapter 989 of the Straw Hats. But Yamato being on a towel line alongside the Straw Hats? Complete confirmation. (I'll find pictures later).
Like these arguments are exhausting. If you're going to debate, then debate, but some of you guys, you especially, should have learned by now not to count your chickens before they hatch. If people want to debate that Carrot is going to be the last nakama, we can. If Deicide wants to argue that its going to be Hancock, he has every right to. This is a thread to debate such things. Show some respect.
I just find it strange that somehow in this conversation, the narrative changed to Jinbe being the last Straw Hat and people should forfeit discussing possible candidates. Whether we believe the next/potentially last Straw Hat is Carrot, Vivi, Hancock, Yamato (again), Smoker, Drake, etc., it's borderline guaranteed we will get a 10th member following Jinbe.
Outside narratively matching the parallels of the Straw Hat Pirates against the Blackbeard Pirates, I remember reading the tweet from YonkouProductions and later sandman that was discussed here 2 years ago in the One Piece magazine translated and posted that Luffy's statement on having "about 10 crewmembers" did not account for Luffy. This was during the peak of the whole Yamato debate against Carrot and it only got stronger since before...y'know...
This is reflected in literally the chapter titles when characters join the Straw Hat Crew. Zoro being called "Number One" or " The First" in the title of Chapter 6 when he joins and subsequently other members of the crew get the same treatment. The only ones I can think of off the top of my head who haven't gotten this are Robin and recently Jinbe. It's also why I think Jinbe will get his toast on screen since it was postponed by Luffy in Chapter 977. In Chapter 1053, we don't see Luffy toast to Jinbe, he toasts to the efforts of the Alliance, the Red Scabbards, and the Wano citizens. Not Jinbe, who coincidentally wasn't present that day at the festival.
So I don't think it's wrong we have certain expectations of these events, for both a new nakama candidate and Jinbe's toast.
@danie That's not what was stated.
All of the Carrot for nakama posters are all on the same page about when they’ll stop carrying on their Carrot for nakama talk.
There are already some that have given up, others that haven't. Don't lump everyone together like we're a collective. People have their own opinions.
@King-Cannon said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
Oda could have simply forgot, like the myriad of things he didn't address post-raid.
The fact is, Luffy did postpone the toast, but also said the newer toast would involve all of Wano in it. So the toast he promised DID happen, regardless if Jinbe was seen toasting or not.
That toast was to the accomplishment of the raid and party. That happens virtually every arc. Nakama toasts are more intimate and isolated, so I'm not exactly sold on that reasoning.
@Hakase said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
Maybe we'll still get it but my hope for the toast is rock bottom not going to lie. Like clearly some time passed on the ship when we see them getting the bounties and it's like a very weird jump to hey let's induct jinbe now. To me it feels like last chapter was the one it had to happen tbh. So I'm kind just accepting that Oda probably flubbed,
Sucks cause it's the type of thing you wanna believe in Oda on paying off but hey we're in the flub oda era now were bad storytelling is a legit explanation for some stuff.
The way I'm rationalizing it is that Ch. 1057 was dedicated to leaving Wano and concluding, Ch. 1058 was to show the aftermath of Luffy's decision to jump off the waterfall and to finally give the Straw Hats their updated bounties that we didn't get to see as well as info about the Cross Guild. We literally only got 4 pages dedicated to the Straw Hats last chapter, so I can hope that we'll refocus to get something on Jinbe getting a formal induction toast. Straw Hats didn't celebrate Usopp and Robin rejoining and Franky joining till they escaped Garp's onslaught and Brook's celebration to the crew was postponed till they left the Florian Triangle and Thriller Bark behind. The main difference between those examples and with Jinbe is that they occurred to conclude the arc rather than at the beginning of a new one.
I really can't imagine Oda not showing a Straw Hat toast dedicated to a new nakama, especially one as anticipated as Jinbe. They were literally going to do it Chapter 977, so I'm reserving my skepticism till later. I could be wrong, but I am just putting that out there.
@Deicide said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
I think we are meant to take the toast as something that happened off-screen during the big celebration, unfortunately.
The toasts are a tradition, but Oda has broken tradition in the past ("The Nth" chapter titles, for instance). We know that Luffy stated they'd give Jinbe his toast during the big celebration. And nothing in the event that we saw could have changed those plans. From the SH's perspective, they had the whole night to get together and celebrate Jinbe's joining.
It would be strange if it didn't happen and then happens now, without any remarkable event to justify it.
I wouldn't be able to see something like that happening off screen even remotely justifiable. Not only was he not dedicated in the toast that was made, he wasn't even physically there for them to celebrate with so while unprecedented, doesn't even match Luffy's statement. He wanted to have a toast with everyone in Wano, so he did.
Nakama toasts are dedicated to themselves as its more personal and not something they would celebrate with anyone other than themselves.
General Induction when Usopp joined:
With Chopper joining:
With Usopp and Robin rejoining and Franky joining:
With Brook joining:
The Straw Hat toasts only really started being a tradition consistently with Chopper joining and Robin didn't even get hers till she got it shared with Usopp also rejoining and with Franky. So there's no real set order of when and how it happens, but I do think Jinbe will get a toast. Right now, Luffy's in a cage, so we'll see how that works out if it does actually happen.
@danie said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
@SeaOfHope Sorry but I'm not interested in speculating about that. You saying the version of Big Mom Jinbe nearly threw into the sea was weaker than the normal version of Big Mom, that is just as valid as me saying that- that version of Big Mom was stronger. You say Jinbe doing that doesn't make him comparable to Hancock but I do not accept your premise that Hancock is stronger than Jinbe. What has Hancock done that is comparable to what Jinbe has? I do not value "hype" more than what the characters actually do in the story.
I do not watch the anime so I do not know what you are talking about in regards to it. I was talking about Roger calling Rayleigh and Scooper off while they were getting ready to confront Oden. It had "monster trio" vibes. Oden joining very likely intruded on them being Roger's strongest just like Yamato joining would have likely intruded on Zoro and Sanji being Luffy's strongest. I don't see the problem.
It was shown in the story that Big Mom herself was in a fairly weakened state due to the fact she was suffering from her hunger pangs. Despite that, she became more nimble because of her reduced weight.
That said, I'm more inclined to believe hype of a character stated to be strong by a top tier of the story. Still I won't hold it against you if you believe in feats.
That moment with Rayleigh and Scopper was more about them confronting Oden as he was approaching and neither of them really felt threatened. You can be stronger than a character and have a mildly difficult fight against them, especially since they felt fairly confident in handling the situation prior to Roger jumping in.
@danie said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
@SeaOfHope said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
Also, @Deicide, what do you think about Luffy changing the branding on Hancock's back to an insignia of the Straw Hat Crew? Been a little theory of mine, since Hancock is always ashamed of having her back seen due to what it represents and the implications of her experience being a slave.
The fuck??? That would be fucking terrible. If Luffy must do something about Hancock's "branding", he should remove it all together. Oda can probably rationalize it now with the mythical status of the fruit power. We know Luffy can now turn others into rubber so it wouldn't seem that much of a stretch to me if Luffy could somehow stretch the mark out of her. It sounds very cartoony, I know. Perfect for gear 5!
Despite not referring the question to you, not sure how you'll remove a burn mark engraved on your skin by just saying "well, he can do anything now with mythical devil fruit powers. " That's an even further stretch than what I've been saying.
EDIT: Besides, there's nothing inherently wrong in doing something like that. Narratively, turning something from a mark of shame to a badge of pride is something we know Oda has done. Changing Nami's tattoo of the Arlong Pirates insignia into a tattoo of tangerines and a pinwheel and the Sun Pirates all wearing the same insignia branded on them so the crew were all indistinguishable from the freed Fishmen slaves on Mariejois. You're acting like this is some novel concept never done in the story.
@black-leg-jex said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
The problem with this branding idea is that it only works if Hancock chooses to do it herself, not if Luffy does it. It worked in Nami's case because it was her choice and in the case of the Sun Pirates they all did it to hide the mark and even those without brands got it so that it would be harder for the real slaves to be found. It had meaning.
Luffy changing Hancocks brand to the Straw Hats mark comes across as him now being her new owner, rather than herself being free.
That I do agree with. It would be her decision what to do with the brand on her back. Granted, Koala got the same mark on her back as well as all the Sun Pirates and I believe it's more about what the brand represents rather than a mark of ownership. If anything, it's to wipe away the mark of ownership.
@danie said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
@SeaOfHope Prove to me that no one has ever said that!
I'm joking. Please don't kill me.
I'll try not to. You're on my watchlist though.
Tread carefully...jk
I guess I was wrong on 2 accounts. Jinbe's toast being offscreen or jumbled with the grand Wano party and Carrot stowing away. Though the barrel theory ended up being correct, it just wasn't my choice of preference.
Well, I'll still reserve my judgement till the next island, but still miffed we have no resolution with Carrot, but I'll hold to what I swore.
@Ivotas said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
As a strong Carrot supporter I feel like I've already said all I can about the character joining so don't need to rehash that. I'd rather like to go the opposite route and point out what I don't really like about her portrayal and honestly is something I think the character can do without. That's the entire thing about turning her a Chopper cheerleader in the first half of Wholecake. It came totally out of the left field and served no purpose at all. And I still think we saw her do the Bropper/Choniki thing at some point in Wano. I can honestly do without a character being another Strawhat's cheerleader in the crew. Sanji get's a pass because he is the same for every woman, not just Nami and Robin. But if I say that Hancock and Bartolomeo would break the dynamic on the Sunny by fangasming over Luffy, then I have to play it fair and say I wouldn't like to see the same thing with Carrot and Chopper.
I somewhat agree with that. Chopper insisted he call her that, so I guess it stuck and Oda persisted with the gag. I wouldn't have a problem with her calling Chopper Bropper/Choniki considering Sanji and Zoro barely, if ever, say each other's names, but the blatant favoritism towards Chopper I can do without.
Oda can explore her other chemistry with the crew, if possible. I like her relationship with Sanji the most since she would probably be the only girl on the ship he won't perv over. Would bring the best out of both of them.
@danie said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
@SeaOfHope Prove to me that no one has ever said that!
I'm joking. Please don't kill me.
I'll try not to. You're on my watchlist though.
Tread carefully...jk
One more chapter mentality is not the way to go. We just need to set realistic endpoints. Carrot last time didn't stay stowed away so long, we have no reason to believe otherwise. If we get to the next destination and still no Carrot, I'll drop it unless Oda brings her back.
@danie said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
@SeaOfHope See, are you insinuating that if she doesn't stowaway again, that you'll just come up with a new theory for her joining?
No one has ever said this. Most of us have said that she would stow away again and I've shown proof this has been consistently stated.
I'll say it alongside Shift if I have to: If we get to the next island and Carrot doesn't show up stowed away on the ship, we can drop the argument and end the debate there.
@Zik As Shift said, if we get to the next island and Carrot isn't there, we can drop the arguments and theory she stowed away. You're acting like we're stubbornly believing something beyond what we've asserted or making new arguments beyond what we have said here.
@Zik said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
@SeaOfHope said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
@Zik said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
@SeaOfHope said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
@Zik said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
@theackwardstation said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
@Zik said in [Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World)
When you say literally nobody said that do you mean just in this thread or at all?
Cuz there have been Carrot and next nakama thread discussions going on in spoiler threads, chapter threads, and wherever else on this forum.
Nobody said that at all in this forum. People who root for Carrot have always set Wano as a deadline, ending at the stowaway theory.
LOL
You really can’t back that up with any proof but okay. All of the Carrot for nakama posters are all on the same page about when they’ll stop carrying on their Carrot for nakama talk.
January 7th, 2021
...Therefore, if Carrot wants to join and tag along again, there's no reason that I see why Luffy would turn her down. He's familiar enough with her, more familiar than he initially was with Robin when they met outside of curiosity, and they are perfectly fine friends as it is. If Carrot invites herself, like when she stows away again, Luffy is gonna roll with it and let her. If anything of her character stirs up, then so be it. There's plausibility here, that's all I'm reinforcing. The only thing stopping Carrot is herself.
EDIT: Found another.
January 4th, 2021...Contrary to what Shift believes, I'm of the belief that Carrot doesn't officially join the crew when Wano concludes, but will stowaway (again), follow them to the next island which hopefully will be Elbaf so that her interest in giants might be shown, and by then we'll have more insight into her end goal as well as purpose. She needs time to develop, maybe she'll grow more than we hypothesize in this arc, but I fail to understand how she won't continue being around the Straw Hats when Pedro's last words were to know their significance and then peeps are saying she simply goes away thereafter.
EDIT: Another one.
November 15th, 2020
She has shown many times that she can do whatever she wants with no one's approval. She has a a responsibility to her people? Where was that ever shown? The moment her status as a Kingsbird became null and void, she yeeted herself off Zou to help out the crew on her own volition and continues to do whatever she wants on her own volition. She's a complete independent variable. So if she wants to stow away again to seek her adventure or further her goals, she's gonna do it.
From @AvocadoInTheRain
March 8th, 2018This is only a problem if Luffy's actively recruiting. I think she'll either stow away again or, if that's too similar to Robin, straight up ask to join. That's a dynamic we haven't seen yet in the series. Brook was already asked and the grand fleet thing was extremely official and ritualized, but a character asking to join the crew with the same level of emotion and determination that Luffy usually asks people to join would be interesting.
I've said this many times, this is just the most recent I could find and I know I'm not the only one who has said something along this ballpark.
I don't know why you guys like acting rude towards people who support Carrot as the next nakama and have had their reasons all these years. It's been a fact, in all the years I've spent in this thread, the goalposts have consistently moved against Carrot to promote other people's agendas.
Carrot appearing on Volume 88 alongside the Straw Hats don't mean anything, but Yamato appearing on Volume 100 in a side by side view by Ace does.
Carrot being on merchandise labeled as "The Straw Hat Crew" doesn't mean anything and it was rationalized as the only panel they could get with Jinbe despite the double spread panel on Chapter 989 of the Straw Hats. But Yamato being on a towel line alongside the Straw Hats? Complete confirmation. (I'll find pictures later).
- Carrot being relied on by Luffy to protect the ship with the other Straw Hats in his stead in Chapter 878 doesn't indicate he views her as a fellow nakama, but Luffy ordering Yamato to protect Momonosuke in Chapter 988 shows she's taking orders from Luffy as a captain. Already nakama!
Like these arguments are exhausting. If you're going to debate, then debate, but some of you guys, you especially, should have learned by now not to count your chickens before they hatch. If people want to debate that Carrot is going to be the last nakama, we can. If Deicide wants to argue that its going to be Hancock, he has every right to. This is a thread to debate such things. Show some respect.
The fuck is this shit?Do you not even know the proof you’re suppose to provide? lol
A couple random quotes of ppl talking about something else doesn’t matter.
This is what I meant when I said you can’t do it.
It remains consistent from what you said.
No it doesn’t.
Literally go back and reread.
I did. Remains consistent from what you said. People have always said this.
@Zik said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
@SeaOfHope said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
@Zik said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
@theackwardstation said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
@Zik said in [Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World)
When you say literally nobody said that do you mean just in this thread or at all?
Cuz there have been Carrot and next nakama thread discussions going on in spoiler threads, chapter threads, and wherever else on this forum.
Nobody said that at all in this forum. People who root for Carrot have always set Wano as a deadline, ending at the stowaway theory.
LOL
You really can’t back that up with any proof but okay. All of the Carrot for nakama posters are all on the same page about when they’ll stop carrying on their Carrot for nakama talk.
January 7th, 2021
...Therefore, if Carrot wants to join and tag along again, there's no reason that I see why Luffy would turn her down. He's familiar enough with her, more familiar than he initially was with Robin when they met outside of curiosity, and they are perfectly fine friends as it is. If Carrot invites herself, like when she stows away again, Luffy is gonna roll with it and let her. If anything of her character stirs up, then so be it. There's plausibility here, that's all I'm reinforcing. The only thing stopping Carrot is herself.
EDIT: Found another.
January 4th, 2021...Contrary to what Shift believes, I'm of the belief that Carrot doesn't officially join the crew when Wano concludes, but will stowaway (again), follow them to the next island which hopefully will be Elbaf so that her interest in giants might be shown, and by then we'll have more insight into her end goal as well as purpose. She needs time to develop, maybe she'll grow more than we hypothesize in this arc, but I fail to understand how she won't continue being around the Straw Hats when Pedro's last words were to know their significance and then peeps are saying she simply goes away thereafter.
EDIT: Another one.
November 15th, 2020
She has shown many times that she can do whatever she wants with no one's approval. She has a a responsibility to her people? Where was that ever shown? The moment her status as a Kingsbird became null and void, she yeeted herself off Zou to help out the crew on her own volition and continues to do whatever she wants on her own volition. She's a complete independent variable. So if she wants to stow away again to seek her adventure or further her goals, she's gonna do it.
From @AvocadoInTheRain
March 8th, 2018This is only a problem if Luffy's actively recruiting. I think she'll either stow away again or, if that's too similar to Robin, straight up ask to join. That's a dynamic we haven't seen yet in the series. Brook was already asked and the grand fleet thing was extremely official and ritualized, but a character asking to join the crew with the same level of emotion and determination that Luffy usually asks people to join would be interesting.
I've said this many times, this is just the most recent I could find and I know I'm not the only one who has said something along this ballpark.
I don't know why you guys like acting rude towards people who support Carrot as the next nakama and have had their reasons all these years. It's been a fact, in all the years I've spent in this thread, the goalposts have consistently moved against Carrot to promote other people's agendas.
Carrot appearing on Volume 88 alongside the Straw Hats don't mean anything, but Yamato appearing on Volume 100 in a side by side view by Ace does.
Carrot being on merchandise labeled as "The Straw Hat Crew" doesn't mean anything and it was rationalized as the only panel they could get with Jinbe despite the double spread panel on Chapter 989 of the Straw Hats. But Yamato being on a towel line alongside the Straw Hats? Complete confirmation. (I'll find pictures later).
- Carrot being relied on by Luffy to protect the ship with the other Straw Hats in his stead in Chapter 878 doesn't indicate he views her as a fellow nakama, but Luffy ordering Yamato to protect Momonosuke in Chapter 988 shows she's taking orders from Luffy as a captain. Already nakama!
Like these arguments are exhausting. If you're going to debate, then debate, but some of you guys, you especially, should have learned by now not to count your chickens before they hatch. If people want to debate that Carrot is going to be the last nakama, we can. If Deicide wants to argue that its going to be Hancock, he has every right to. This is a thread to debate such things. Show some respect.
The fuck is this shit?Do you not even know the proof you’re suppose to provide? lol
A couple random quotes of ppl talking about something else doesn’t matter.
This is what I meant when I said you can’t do it.
It remains consistent from what you said.
@theackwardstation Honestly, why do people feel the need to insult and demean others in a thread that's meant to debate? I swear after 2 years of this nonsense, we should have been done with this and returned to regular discussion.
@danie That's not what was stated.
All of the Carrot for nakama posters are all on the same page about when they’ll stop carrying on their Carrot for nakama talk.
There are already some that have given up, others that haven't. Don't lump everyone together like we're a collective. People have their own opinions.
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