Chapter 1115: Pieces of a Continent
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Yo, Foxy was shown this chapter! 10/10!
Feels like we have at most 2 chapters left of this. As it stretches on, the Elders are stopping their attack against the Straw Hats and the Giants, and focusing on stopping any more information from getting out. With their focus turned and everything ready to allow the Straw Hats to escape, they are definitely leaving the island when the message ends, whether cut off or completes in full.
As expected, the message is going to cause mass confusion and most likely chaos. You have those who are quick to believe what they are hearing, or at least to ere on the side of trust. Many more though are baffled or outright mocking the idea of the information even being close to truth. Just seeing all these various locations and characters showing up in panels goes to show how we really are starting to head into the final stretch. Seeing characters like Foxy and fake Luffy, I wonder if we will see some more forgotten east blue characters like Kuro before the message wraps up.
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“The Ancient Weapons that sank the world into the sea 800 years ago still exist today,
and await the moment that they stir once again!!”
So they await, as in, Uranus hasn’t been used since that time, meaning what sank Lulusia wasn’t an Ancient Weapon then?
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Since the raise of water is due to the ancient weapon, i would say the countrary
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This is merely a hunch, but I think both Enel's Maxim and what the WG used at Lulusia are both based off Uranus. As Deathpiea annihilated Angel Island, right?
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This is my 1st time noticing the Sunny as Baldy performs his attack.
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I wonder if there were multiple Uranus weapons but just the one survived.
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What a chapter, made me shed a tear from sheer hype and no break either. Hopefully we can get some 3 chapter/break cycles until the next Jump break in August.
The fake Straw Hats are definitely characters I never expected to see again (well, the crew was on the verge of getting killed by Caribou, but whatever). Them trying the same gig again with Kid is great, though I think I require some SBS context. Cause the reason they could pull it off with the Straw Hats was because no one had seem them for 2 years. Not sure what the timeline is of Kid's defeat, but for the Fake Kid pirates to work there must have at least been a news report of his (supposed) death. Probably overthinking it lol
Foxy, that better be a SBS question for sure though! I need to know what happenend to his crew. Didn't expect to see him again, either.
The spreads with V.Nusjuro and the one with the ruins were so sick, I don't think the ruins resemble anything that we've seen?
So the ancient weapons sank the world, I don't know why this didn't click with me before, I just kinda assumed it was the weapon used on Lulusia, but in the Fishman Island Flashback Otohime tells the princes that Shirahoshi has the power to sink the world beneath the waves. I never got how the Sea Kings would do that exactly and I still don't, but just kinda kicking myself that I needed the plural to recall that scene.
I'm so afraid of Imu's face reveal, need to temper my expectations, I love his aesthetic way too much right now.
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Same nice cameos in this one. I was not expecting to see Ms. Goldenweek and the ex-Baroque Works members again, and Demaro Black now trying to impersonate Kidd made me laugh way too hard.
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In the spoiler thread I was speculating that Joyboy might have been a giant but it's even more likely that he was a buccaneer. Ivankov mentions Buccaneers and giants being related so they might share some folklore and Joyboy's hat doesn't look THAT big. It would also explain why Buccaneers are being hunted so cruelly.
Mars and Saturn walking around sulking and taking out SNAILS with their Conqueror's Haki is amazingly hilarious by the way.
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@Barkworm Saturn smacking them with his cane last chapter was even funnier.
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OUR BOY FOXY BACK IN THE MANGA. Looks like they lost a bunch of Davy Back fights.
I didn't catch onto the fact Demalo Black's crew were disguising as Kid pirates. until I saw these comments, oops. I was like, "Are the former fake Straw Hats interacting with a somewhat dead Kid who was rescued but captured?" lol...
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Awesome chapter! I predict that for next chapter Vegapunk will describe a little the weapons and explain his part in allowing them to return (via Mother Flame). Pretty interesting that Vegapunk refuses to take a stance, but I don’t think we’ll geta morally grey ancient kingdom, it’s just that Vegapunk said he doesn’t have any information on the causes of the war. Personally I think it would be cool to understand the reasons of the 20 kings. Even if Imu was and is a monster, Queen Lily was a good person.
All points to the Ancient Kingdom having ancient weapons - Joy Boy was a friend to the mermaid princess after all. But they seem to have been used by the proto-WG to destroy the Kingdom… And Vegapunk confirms that the biggest threat is that the weapons still exist, but we don’t have the AK advanced technology anymore.I’m amazed at the level of storytelling we are getting from each cameo. Every little callback brings different reactions the world is having to the message, and they are all perfectly in character! When we heard about islands sinking he showed us W7, when talking about Joy Biy’s defeat the image of Robonosuke and Zou the Elephant. The start of the chapter in Wano perfectly blending in from the cover story. Loving the art! Not just the panel arts, but the seamless storytelling!
Also, I’m laughing at my old prediction that the big Egghead incident would be…. Luffy defeating an Admiral, and demoralizing the Marines.. Kizaru has disappeared from the story! And what we got was so, so much bigger than that!
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The more he talks about the lore of the One Piece world the more excited I get for the inevitable flashback about Joy Boy and the void history we will get when the Straw Hats finally arrive at Laugh Tale
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@electricmastro said in Chapter 1115: Pieces of a Continent:
“The Ancient Weapons that sank the world into the sea 800 years ago still exist today,
and await the moment that they stir once again!!”
So they await, as in, Uranus hasn’t been used since that time, meaning what sank Lulusia wasn’t an Ancient Weapon then?
Vegapunk says he confirmed it was the action of the Ancient Weapons because of a change in the sea level days before.
It wouldn't make sense for him to draw that conclusion if it wasn't an Ancient Weapon being used.We can assume WG is still in possession of an Ancient Weapon (Uranos, by exclusion) and has been continuously using it.
Each use probably had a much smaller effect before it was powered by the Mother Flame, though, since the world didn't notice any change except for the Lulusia event.Now I wonder if the Aqua Laguna was truly a natural disaster or if it was the result of Uranos being used (and Water 7 was the only city to feel its effects before because it was more susceptible to them).
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So given Caribou coming close to leaking info, York likely giving the Elders more Mother Flames, and what Vegapunk just said about the Ancient War still being waged, I think it’s fair to suggest that we’ll be doing a full comeback to Fish-Man Island and Wano to secure Poseidon and Pluton after the Elbaf arc.
Unless, of course, none of this turns out to be important.
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@access-timeco said in Chapter 1115: Pieces of a Continent:
We can assume WG is still in possession of an Ancient Weapon (Uranos, by exclusion) and has been continuously using it.
I agree and have theorized since Ch 1060 that Lulusia fell victim to Uranus. However, I don't think it has been used continuously, but either this once or sparingly (something happened to God Valley for it to disappear, afterall). The Elders' desperation to get the Mother Flame indicate they couldn't use Uranus regularly and/or effectively before it.
@access-timeco said in Chapter 1115: Pieces of a Continent:
Now I wonder if the Aqua Laguna was truly a natural disaster or if it was the result of Uranos being used (and Water 7 was the only city to feel its effects before because it was more susceptible to them).
The aqua laguna is an yearly event that affects Water Seven, so it can't be the direct effect of an Ancient Weapon. It could, however, be a by-product of one, like that water from the Enies Lobby vortex should go somewhere...
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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I'm looking forward to reading this run of chapters all in one go without the breaks. The biggest lore bombs since the Reverie, intercut with series-spanning blasts from the past as we can see that everyone we've met before this point is impacted by the current story. Every new line of concrete info that gets out before the broadcast is shut down is a bonus from this point. I'm beginning to dare to hope, after the last page of the chapter, that we might actually learn something big about Imu as the climactic line before they shut it down.
The cover story is edging forward. At a glance, I'd thought Oda had mistakenly given Kiku her arm back, but no, that's Hiyori. Even with Robin gone, there's too many of these dark-haired (at least in the black and white version) Wano women to tell them apart. Maybe she should have kept it up like in her Oiran persona for the distinctiveness.
And speaking of Wano, it's cool to see how they set up that enormous Strawhat flag under the palace. I vaguely remember wondering why they made it so freaking big when it was first revealed, and now we know. I also appreciate the attention to detail with the transponder snail being Orochi's; it wouldn't make sense for the people of Wano to have one of their own. And we get the sense that the cover story must already be in motion due to Yamato's absence in the scene. What I'm not so hot on is Shinobu being permanently rejuvinated by her encounter with Aramaki. From memory, Raizo did not get the same benefit, and it should probably have been both of them or none of them.
Demalo Black's return is not something I had on my bingo card. The fact that he's changed his idol is fantastic. Drip's disguise as Killer, just doing face and hair paint instead of actually getting a helmet, is hilarious. I genuinely thought that guy was dead though - he was last seen going limp with his head fully submerged in Caribou's swamp. People weren't exactly lining up to save him and the other fake Strawhats at the end of the Sabaody reunion, and Caribou has the reputation of a guy who would finish the job. But this is One Piece; what can you do?
All the reaction cutaways, actually, do a great job of showing without having to tell what these characters have been up to since we saw them last. No one in this world is truly static.
Vegapunk's speech continues and... man, his naivety can be frustrating. He still can't take a stand that the World Government is evil? Even after they murdered him? It would be one thing if he was still alive to undergo some character development and eventually denounce them, but the man is dead. He's going to be stuck in this weird state of pretending the genocide-doing, slave-owning, world-flooding side aren't the clear bad guys. In another story, I might have taken this as foreshadowing of a conflict written in shades of grey, or even a switcharoo twist that makes Joyboy the plant-flooding villain of the Void Century and says the World Government has only gone mad with power in the centuries since beating him, but that doesn't feel like One Piece to me. And it certainly doesn't feel like something Oda would force Luffy to reconcile against. Feel free to make me eat my words in a few years if I'm wrong, but I don't think it's on the table.
Glad to see we're not done with Stussy. Her last scene would definitely have been a low point if she'd been just left to make her sacrifice there. Finding a life and purpose beyond blind devotion to her creator is a much better arc. The framing suggests Kaku will be important to her future, but that couldn't possibly mean going back to Cipher Pol, could it?
We get one very cool spread out of Nusjuro slicing the Labophase open, but I don't understand how it manages to end with the captured agents and Seraphim falling to the Fabriophase. He took the roof off the basement they were trapped in. We can see in the following pages that the pieces didn't drift far enough apart for any part of the building to hang over the open air. This doesn't make any sense. Scary to think of the Seraphim possibly being loosed by this, but I wish there had been a more natural setup for it.
More gorgeous art as we learn about what happened to the world in the Void Century. Have I ever mentioned that Wind Waker was my favourite Zelda? I think ocean world settings just speak to me, and a long-lost atlantian
civilisation under the surface is the perfect lategame twist to throw at that kind of story. Interesting that the official release categorises the current world as pieces of a single continent rather than multiple landmasses as the spoiler summary and scanlations did. Does Stephen know something we don't, or is he guessing? I know Japanese doesn't always do singulars and plurals as obviously as English, but I'd be interested for someone who knows the language to chime in with what was inferred in the original.And man, it gets you thinking again about think like the ruins from Jinbe's cover story, Impel Down and whatever seemingly-impossible mechanism moves the Gates of Justice from under the water. Surely all these things are from the before times. Maybe more.
Relevant to the themes of One Piece, also, is the statement about travel and culture. This flooded dystopia works as hard as possible to keep people separated and their groups homogeneous. The heroes are a group from all corners of the globe who push against this facet of the world to experience as much of it as possible, and in the utopian past it was easier for peoples to mix. It will be interesting to see if the unflooding of the world and the restoration of easy travel for cultural exchange plays into the series' finale or epilogue.
The near-outright confirmation that the three Ancient Weapons we know of today were responsible for the 200 metre rise makes it almost certain that Uranus is the machine the Government is using Mother Flame to power. But as just a destroying space laser, it doesn't seem like it has much synergy with the other two. Maybe the original Uranus was just used for altering the sea level, making a world where the sea power of the battleship Pluton and the commander of leviathans Poseidon could reign supreme? But what of the suggestion during Oden's flashback that the weapons were only 'named' as such, as if they originally had another purpose?
I wonder if there's any chance we can get to the end of this broadcast before the next break rolls around. This would be a great time to keep picking up momentum and get this pivotal sequence for the series on wrap, especially since the need for reactions and dramatic pauses is making it take longer than a normal exposition scene to begin with. My fingers are crossed and my hopes are high.
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@Captain-M said in Chapter 1115: Pieces of a Continent:
I'm looking forward to reading this run of chapters all in one go without the breaks. The biggest lore bombs since the Reverie, intercut with series-spanning blasts from the past as we can see that everyone we've met before this point is impacted by the current story. Every new line of concrete info that gets out before the broadcast is shut down is a bonus from this point. I'm beginning to dare to hope, after the last page of the chapter, that we might actually learn something big about Imu as the climactic line before they shut it down.
The cover story is edging forward. At a glance, I'd thought Oda had mistakenly given Kiku her arm back, but no, that's Hiyori. Even with Robin gone, there's too many of these dark-haired (at least in the black and white version) Wano women to tell them apart. Maybe she should have kept it up like in her Oiran persona for the distinctiveness.
And speaking of Wano, it's cool to see how they set up that enormous Strawhat flag under the palace. I vaguely remember wondering why they made it so freaking big when it was first revealed, and now we know. I also appreciate the attention to detail with the transponder snail being Orochi's; it wouldn't make sense for the people of Wano to have one of their own. And we get the sense that the cover story must already be in motion due to Yamato's absence in the scene. What I'm not so hot on is Shinobu being permanently rejuvinated by her encounter with Aramaki. From memory, Raizo did not get the same benefit, and it should probably have been both of them or none of them.
Yeah, I imagine this further reinforces how the cover story is set slightly in the past, since Yamato is missing out on Vegapunk talking about Joy Boy otherwise. Which is weird to me, since Joy Boy was a central figure in Oden's journal to begin with.
Also, regarding Shinobu, I think the difference between her and Raizo is this:
Shinobu changed because Oda saw Shinobu as fat. Oda didn't see Raizo as fat.
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@Deicide said in Chapter 1115: Pieces of a Continent:
@access-timeco said in Chapter 1115: Pieces of a Continent:
We can assume WG is still in possession of an Ancient Weapon (Uranos, by exclusion) and has been continuously using it.
I agree and have theorized since Ch 1060 that Lulusia fell victim to Uranus. However, I don't think it has been used continuously, but either this once or sparingly (something happened to God Valley for it to disappear, afterall). The Elders' desperation to get the Mother Flame indicate they couldn't use Uranus regularly and/or effectively before it.
My guess is that they have been using it, but without the Mother Flame it probably was nowhere near the power it once had.
The Mother Flame is, afterall, an attempt to recreate the energy source used by the Ancient Kingdom, so fueled by it Uranos probably finally has power close to once it used to have.
And if that's right (it was really Uranos and the Mother Flame allows it to operate at full power), the great flood 900~800 years before would likely have been caused by the Ancient Kingdom and not by the WG. -
@access-timeco said in Chapter 1115: Pieces of a Continent:
@Deicide said in Chapter 1115: Pieces of a Continent:
@access-timeco said in Chapter 1115: Pieces of a Continent:
We can assume WG is still in possession of an Ancient Weapon (Uranos, by exclusion) and has been continuously using it.
I agree and have theorized since Ch 1060 that Lulusia fell victim to Uranus. However, I don't think it has been used continuously, but either this once or sparingly (something happened to God Valley for it to disappear, afterall). The Elders' desperation to get the Mother Flame indicate they couldn't use Uranus regularly and/or effectively before it.
My guess is that they have been using it, but without the Mother Flame it probably was nowhere near the power it once had.
The Mother Flame is, afterall, an attempt to recreate the energy source used by the Ancient Kingdom, so fueled by it Uranos probably finally has power close to once it used to have.
And if that's right (it was really Uranos and the Mother Flame allows it to operate at full power), the great flood 900~800 years before would likely have been caused by the Ancient Kingdom and not by the WG.And York going to the Elders might give them a big supply for the war.
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@electricmastro said in Chapter 1115: Pieces of a Continent:
Lulusia
the way chapter 1086 was written implies the WG does not possess an ancient weapon as heavily predicted before it release.
if it turns out to be Uranus after all. then Oda failed at teasing. plus horrible writing intentionally feeding the readers with misinfo just to cover up the cards in his hands.
if we go this way then how bizarre VP cannot operate an old robot but is capable of operating Uranus!! both are made in the same advanced country. calling one to be beyond him but the better and stronger one is no issue? it doesn't make sense to me. let's just stick with motherflame to not be a mere fuel.
how dumb does it look to have a weapon for +800 years and only used it a week ago.
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@hideoushorrendous said in Chapter 1115: Pieces of a Continent:
if we go this way then how bizarre VP cannot operate an old robot but is capable of operating Uranus!! both are made in the same advanced country. calling one to be beyond him but the better and stronger one is no issue? it doesn't make sense to me. let's just stick with motherflame to not be a mere fuel.
True, it would be quite weird for Vegapunk to replicated the energy for an Ancient Weapon, even though he couldn't do so for the Ancient Robot.
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@Chams-0 said in Chapter 1115: Pieces of a Continent:
Also, I’m laughing at my old prediction that the big Egghead incident would be…. Luffy defeating an Admiral, and demoralizing the Marines.. Kizaru has disappeared from the story! And what we got was so, so much bigger than that!
I was most willing to believe the idea of Luffy defeating an Admiral if there was a catch to it, and it seems I was on track, since Luffy couldn't defeat any of the Elders.
Would make sense if the Admirals became a lesser priority compared to the Elders, considering what the Elders have showcased thus far.
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Robonosuke is referred to as the ancient tech that the kingdom was capable of producing. On top of that, Shirahoshi is 1 of the 3 ancient weapons.
My question is, what separates Shirahoshi from Robonosuke? Are there a bunch of basic ancient tech and then the big 3 (Pluton, Uranus, and Poseidon)?
I know VP has more to reveal, but 5 or less PG tells me that Oda was careful enough to not reveal everything. Is there overlap in the 5 or less that VP has gotten info from with any of the PG that Robin has read? Or are they 5 totally different ones.
I won't fully rule it out, but 2 things have me thinking Momo might not be an ancient weapon - 1 he lives over Pluton and I think Oda will designate the weapons in narrative more separately. 2 Momo commanding Zunesha feels too similar to what Poseidon does.
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@hideoushorrendous said in Chapter 1115: Pieces of a Continent:
@electricmastro said in Chapter 1115: Pieces of a Continent:
Lulusia
the way chapter 1086 was written implies the WG does not possess an ancient weapon as heavily predicted before it release.
if it turns out to be Uranus after all. then Oda failed at teasing. plus horrible writing intentionally feeding the readers with misinfo just to cover up the cards in his hands.
if we go this way then how bizarre VP cannot operate an old robot but is capable of operating Uranus!! both are made in the same advanced country. calling one to be beyond him but the better and stronger one is no issue? it doesn't make sense to me. let's just stick with motherflame to not be a mere fuel.
how dumb does it look to have a weapon for +800 years and only used it a week ago.
I'm not sure to follow you. If Imu lacked the fuel to power Uranus, of course he could not use it. So the mother flame being the fuel (especially when it looks like some energy rather than a weapon) is what makes the most sense
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What exactly is the extend of these ancient weapons that they can, suddenly, add 200 meters of water to the world? Or was this just stored somewhere like gigantic ice continents that have just melted (partly) 800 years ago. Feels as though water was just pulled out of thin air somehow.
Another explanation perhaps has to do with other planets containing water that was somehow pulled to the world but then the question becomes "why" and "how" and why is it happening again? There was an earthquake and the sea level rose by 1 meter around the globe so I guess the other planet theory is out the window. But seriously, where is there a place, on the One Piece world, that can contain so much water that it can add meters to the current sea level? hundreds of meters even... Doesn't make sense to me at all. An earthquake would suggest it being stored underground and being "released" by the earth quake I guess?
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@flandrian15 said in Chapter 1115: Pieces of a Continent:
What exactly is the extend of these ancient weapons that they can, suddenly, add 200 meters of water to the world? Or was this just stored somewhere like gigantic ice continents that have just melted (partly) 800 years ago. Feels as though water was just pulled out of thin air somehow.
Another explanation perhaps has to do with other planets containing water that was somehow pulled to the world but then the question becomes "why" and "how" and why is it happening again? There was an earthquake and the sea level rose by 1 meter around the globe so I guess the other planet theory is out the window. But seriously, where is there a place, on the One Piece world, that can contain so much water that it can add meters to the current sea level? hundreds of meters even... Doesn't make sense to me at all. An earthquake would suggest it being stored underground and being "released" by the earth quake I guess?
Since ice lands (oars died there)/arctic/antarctic have been a thing mentioned here and there but never explored, it's quite possible that's the source of the water.
I watched some video that actually gave scientific explanation for that 1m rise, so maybe it would work the same way another 200 times, but who knows.
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@Cockycent said in Chapter 1115: Pieces of a Continent:
I know VP has more to reveal, but 5 or less PG tells me that Oda was careful enough to not reveal everything. Is there overlap in the 5 or less that VP has gotten info from with any of the PG that Robin has read? Or are they 5 totally different ones.
We know he won't have gotten the ones from Skypeia, Alabasta, Wano, or the one Jinbe found underwater. Probably none of the red ones from Zou or the Emperors. (Not that we the audience know anything on the last several)
So he probably hasn't seen any of the ones we've seen in-story. Robin's found at least one in an unknown location when she was a teen. So Robin has seen 12 of them at least, while Vegapunk has only seen five. She certainly knows more. Probably not a lot of overlap though.
World government is certainly holding at least some to never be found.
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@flandrian15 Considering what became of Lulusia, I don't think we should expect a real-world type of explanation. Lulusia was destroyed, a gaping hole remained in its place, and the sea rose 1 metre.
And what we know of both Pluton and Poseidon is that they were capable of destroying islands as well...
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@flandrian15 the way I understood it is that the 200m rise in sea levels is the result of the abuse of ancient weapons during the great war.
Like imagine if it's not just Uranus being used, but also Pluton and Poseidon being unleashed on the daily for 100 years. Multiple incidents of island destruction that eventually accumulate to the 200m sea level rise.
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@access-timeco said in Chapter 1115: Pieces of a Continent:
And if that's right (it was really Uranos and the Mother Flame allows it to operate at full power), the great flood 900~800 years before would likely have been caused by the Ancient Kingdom and not by the WG.
There's a lot we still need to learn about the Void Century before coming to any conclusions. For instance, except for Imu's posters, we have no idea of what correlation there's between Blackbeard and the past. Likewise, Vegapunk not knowing which side was right may indicate things won't be clear-cut. There's also the lunarians, since now we know the Ancient Kingdom sunk in the ocean, it means it wasn't the lunarian kingdom, which was on the Red Line. Zunesha's crime, the robot apologizing to Joyboy, Joyboy apologizing to Poseidon, Nefertari Lily betraying the other kings... there's too many missing pieces for us to form any picture.
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Something I just realized that we are missing from this arc that I'm doubting we will get from this arc, and that's the true nature of Devil Fruits. From what I recall, it really seemed like we were going to get some big info on the nature of Devil Fruits once we met Vegapunk, but outside of seeing more fruits being replicated like S-Shark having Senor Pinks ability, we never really got anything big about Devil Fruits. Seems like the logical conclusion is anything important to know will come from the big void century flashback, but still a little bummed we didn't get any kind of focus (bar something in the message includes something about the Devil Fruits, but I have doubts about that).
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@The-Franky-Tank said in Chapter 1115: Pieces of a Continent:
Something I just realized that we are missing from this arc that I'm doubting we will get from this arc, and that's the true nature of Devil Fruits. From what I recall, it really seemed like we were going to get some big info on the nature of Devil Fruits once we met Vegapunk, but outside of seeing more fruits being replicated like S-Shark having Senor Pinks ability, we never really got anything big about Devil Fruits. Seems like the logical conclusion is anything important to know will come from the big void century flashback, but still a little bummed we didn't get any kind of focus (bar something in the message includes something about the Devil Fruits, but I have doubts about that).
Well Vegapunk said devil fruits came from dreams. Isn't that big
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@electricmastro it's one big nothing is what is is.
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@electricmastro said in Chapter 1115: Pieces of a Continent:
@The-Franky-Tank said in Chapter 1115: Pieces of a Continent:
Something I just realized that we are missing from this arc that I'm doubting we will get from this arc, and that's the true nature of Devil Fruits. From what I recall, it really seemed like we were going to get some big info on the nature of Devil Fruits once we met Vegapunk, but outside of seeing more fruits being replicated like S-Shark having Senor Pinks ability, we never really got anything big about Devil Fruits. Seems like the logical conclusion is anything important to know will come from the big void century flashback, but still a little bummed we didn't get any kind of focus (bar something in the message includes something about the Devil Fruits, but I have doubts about that).
Well Vegapunk said devil fruits came from dreams. Isn't that big
Only thing that really says to me is that even a genius like Vega Punk doesn't fully comprehend the nature of Devil Fruits. On the one hand, for what we got from the arc I can buy that Devil Fruits are outside something he could fully understand. However, the fact that he can replicate fruits to an extent even if for Zoans he can't get the color down of the dragon fruit, you'd think he'd have some small insights for us to chew on before getting bigger reveals down the line.
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I just remembered Ju Peter has done jack shit so far, lol.
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So Doflamingo’s big secret he held over the Celestial Dragons that would shake the earth to its core? The knowledge of Im or perhaps the knowledge that the world is sinking? Maybe neither but Doffy was pretty well learned and might have knew some aspects of the ancient world being flooded over.
@electricmastro said in Chapter 1115: Pieces of a Continent:
@Chams-0 said in Chapter 1115: Pieces of a Continent:
Also, I’m laughing at my old prediction that the big Egghead incident would be…. Luffy defeating an Admiral, and demoralizing the Marines.. Kizaru has disappeared from the story! And what we got was so, so much bigger than that!
I was most willing to believe the idea of Luffy defeating an Admiral if there was a catch to it, and it seems I was on track, since Luffy couldn't defeat any of the Elders.
Would make sense if the Admirals became a lesser priority compared to the Elders, considering what the Elders have showcased thus far.
I know right? Just an Admiral being defeated seems so tame now hehehe. It would certainly be a big deal but this kind of revelation to the world is really earth shaking.
Seems like aside from Akainu the Admirals will be taking a step back in terms of threat or priority. To clarify, the Admirals still appear to me as the ultimate weapons of the Marines. But it looks like Zoro, Sanji and possibly Jimbei will soon be able to sub in for Luffy if he has to deal with the Fleet Admiral, Elders or anyone else higher on the command list.
We’ll probably see those anime style openings soon enough. lol
Folks who read One Piece… Just better people. ¯\(ツ)/¯
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Just noticing the names being used: “Pieces of a continent” for the title, giving a lot of traction to the theory that the One Piece is a big continent.
Also, I’m quite slow, so only now I noticed that the ark Noah was used to escape a flood! Or was supposed to be used and didn’t, so Joy Boy apologized. -
The big building on Marijois is called Pangea Castle isn’t it? Maybe Pangea itself was once the united continents in One Piece. I remember reading theories about that 15-20 years ago. What a time to be alive.
Jimbei has some fat elbows.
I don’t imagine the old world will be totally renewed. It certainly could get close with terraforming Devil Fruits from Pica, Pizarro or Akainu. However the great bridge at Tequila Wolf will
some day be under new management with no slave labor and its plans expanded to connect the world as much as possible. Or maybe that was already the plan by the Elders 500 years ago.White Beard is in heaven like “see?!”
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I'd say this is a natural transition into Vegapunk telling the world about the ancient weapons in the next chapter. At least, whatever he knows about them. He should know enough to say Pluton's a mega warship, but not that it's in Wano. He might not know that Poseidon is an ability only found in a mermaid princess (although it'd be another way to force new drama with the fishmen), but he could know it's an ability to control Sea Kings. Then we can get some real news about Uranus.
After that, we should be getting close to the point where the public starts ranting for VP to stop with the history lesson and start telling them what to actually do about the sinking/flooding.
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Next chapter I wanna see Cricket, Masira and Shoujo.
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The Egghead climax is perfectly coherent with the rest of the arc:
30% of a Vegapunk exposing the plot at length to an idle audience, 30% Nika wank, 30% showing literally anybody else but the main cast, which by doing inane filler side activities can at least try to share the remaining 10% with panty shots of a 12 years old girl.Curiosity has its own reason for existing
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@Alfiere I want to wait the arc's end before passing final judgement, but considering it's at least 80% done, I'll say what I think: this has been the worst arc in One Piece, and the only thing holding it together is that it brings back and ties together several elements from the previous 20 years of story.
If you analyze the arc on its own, the plot in it, the characterization... man, this is a terrible terrible arc for newcomers.
- The protagonists are extremely passive
- The plot is moving on autopilot, almost not needing the protagonists to run on its own
- The villains have been extremely bland
- The narrative is not cohesive, often cutting to stuff that barely has any relation to the main plot, and also relying on reaction shots from elsewhere
- The fights have been few, all really rushed and often off-screened for most of their length.
- Terrible tension management
- The setting has been terribly underused
- The themes are all over the place. The arc can't decide if it's about Kuma's tragedy, or Kizaru's relationship with his targets, or Vegapunk's flaws, or Blackbeard's ascension, or the Sabo and the Revolutionaries. The only constant threads that try to tie everything together are Nika, the Void Century and the Ancient Weapons.
- And we have a climax about... overpowered immortal elders failing to find a snail.
Now imagine someone who's not following the series for 20 years and decides to see what's about... He doesn't know who 90% of the characters are, he has no emotional ties to the locations shown, all he knows is a bit about the main cast. The arc's structure is just so so bad!
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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@Deicide said in Chapter 1115: Pieces of a Continent:
Now imagine someone who's not following the series for 20 years and decides to see what's about... He doesn't know who 90% of the characters are, he has no emotional ties to the locations shown, all he knows is a bit about the main cast. The arc's structure is just so so bad!
The arc was deliberately designed to serve the world before the protagonists. This was a long time coming and it's frankly a result of Oda focusing TOO much in what was happening in certain islands while leaving the overall myth arc in the backburner, which was how he often did things. You had to wait for an arc to finish for there to be consequences in the world at large, and once the next arc started, you had to wait for it to end again and repeat the cycle.
It is pretty much the Anti-Wano, which was more or less completely isolated from the outside world save for the inter-act breaks.
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@King-Cannon said in Chapter 1115: Pieces of a Continent:
The arc was deliberately designed to serve the world before the protagonists.
Being deliberately designed doesn't make it good. To me, it's an extremely flawed arc that should at least have been shorter. Also, it's not a matter of this being the best that could be done with the objective Oda set for it, because I feel there are some adjustments here and there that could have enhanced the experience greatly. This is either the editor's fault, or Oda's flat-out ignoring his editor.
(And let’s not forget that after Wano Shueisha, Toei and Oda started hyping Egghead as a great jump-on point in the series.)
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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@Deicide said in Chapter 1115: Pieces of a Continent:
@King-Cannon said in Chapter 1115: Pieces of a Continent:
The arc was deliberately designed to serve the world before the protagonists.
Being deliberately designed doesn't make it good. To me, it's an extremely flawed arc that should at least have been shorter. Also, it's not a matter of this being the best that could be done with the objective Oda set for it, because I feel there are some adjustments here and there that could have enhanced the experience greatly. This is either the editor's fault, or Oda's flat-out ignoring his editor.
That's the thing: Oda has a TON of things he still has to show. Blackbeard is FINALLY doing something. Garp is FINALLY doing something. Koby is FINALLY doing something. Shanks is FINALLY doing something. Long-time established characters that have been waiting eons to do something are now having the opportunity to do things they could have done earlier, but couldn't because Luffy's journey was a bigger priority (which is not wrong, but it has natural consequences). It's easy to say "oh, we could make adjustments here or there" when you're probably only thinking on what Egghead is showing, but that's only the setting where the SH are now.
Oda said the Final Saga would be like that, with multiple developments happening everywhere, because there are multiple organizations now converging to a certain goal. It's not just SH vs. the resident bad guy group anymore. And Oda now has to prioritize correctly what will actually matter for the ending. York's shenanigans cannot take precedence over something like Garp fighting the Blackbeard Pirates to save Koby or Blackbeard fighting Law for the keys to reach Laugh Tale. In the end, York will be only a tool to explain how the WG can use Uranus. Her plans simply don't matter beyond that.
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Also, from what I've seen online, most people seem to love Egghead. It's the opposite with Wano, which is always more negatively thought off.
This just seems to tell me Oda or his editor is doing something right here. And that maybe a "better-structured" arc doesn't really mean "good". It could end up as a consistent borefest for all people known. This is generally true for any art. Just creating something "objectively good" won't mean it's "subjectively good".
Like, Oda has been a professional writer for over 20 years, so he probably knows better than fanfic writers about how to make things exciting, especially since he's the one who has to sell a product instead of headcanons.
