Chapter is out:
Chapter 1094: Five Elders, Godhead of Science & Defense, St. Jaygarcia Saturn
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The chapter has its moments like Saturn's entry was really cool. I'm really having a hard time with some of the art though.
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People mock when we talk about tension and that a story needs it, but the reactions to this chapter show how fundamental tension and stakes are to storytelling. People are way more hyped up now. Victory becomes sweet only after you face the possibility of defeat.
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I love how demonic Saturn appears. Even the dark cloud collar from awakening feels almost like a fiery halo only a hellish creature could have.
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Luffy finally hits Kizaru, and it's a pretty powerful attack. But it's not a finisher, sorry. Kizaru will get back up very soon. We see he crashing through a building, while Luffy falls exhausted. Things are looking really bad for the heroes right now.
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Bonney's attack won't be any hidrance to Saturn, but it shows he's not a monster in the same way as Kaido or Big Mom would be. Likewise, Sabo was able to sneak up on all elders plus Imu, then escape a 6v1 situation. I feel the elders are "sorcerer" archetypes more than fighters.
By "sorcerer" archetypes, I mean that their power is less about punching, dodging and taking punishment, and more about using magic-like powers, probably provided by their Devil Fruits. This is reinforced by how Saturn blew a soldier's head or how he came through a magic circle.
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We are far from the arc's end. Neither Kizaru vs Luffy nor Lucci vs Zoro are final fights. Saturn is the main villain of the arc, but the hierarchy of strength is yet undetermined. Kizaru may still be the Luffy's opponent, but this 1st clash was never meant to be the final one.
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It's very likely we are entering the darkest phase of the arc, in which the heroes suffer losses and get cornered. This is also the likeliest moment for reinforcements to arrive and turn the tide, allowing the heroes a chance to fight back.
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Gotta love how fast paced the chapter is. It has a feeling similar to the Impel Down chapters, when you could feel the characters were desperately trying to move on while something nasty was about to catch up to them.
I'm getting a bit tired of Mythical Zoans, it really seems like they are becoming the common and lazy place to go if you want to hype someone, but Saint Satan definitely looks cool, the spider legs really go well with his usual pose and the big nails are a nice addition.
As some pointed out in the spoilers thread, the upper body deserved more animal features, though. With Black Maria, Oda's excuse was that her hybrid form looked like the other Zoans but she altered it with drugs to not look ugly. Did Saturn do the same? Seems unlikely. 3 spider (or spider related, assuming this now is Gyuki) Zoans and all of them end up only getting a "spider bottom" and nothing else.
(EDIT: On second thought, it's possible he has more changes than we can see. His upper body is fully covered, so who knows what he looks like beneath that beard?)And after the woman that whips and controls you, now we have woman that rides and controls you. Hm... I see a pattern.
Bluegrass is the one I was interested in this group since the beginning, as I always love old female characters, so good that she was the first addressed.A couple weird choices on the translation here, btw.
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I'm really curious about that summoning circle. It doesn't have quite the same feel as a regular DF power, feels more like magic. Makes me prone to baseless speculation on if their powers are a "wilder" more raw forms of DF powers.
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Really dig Saturn's design. The tension is finally ramping up!
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Interesting that the official went with Borsalino literally seeing stars... I would think he is always seeing stars though! Hahaha
It's great to finally see an elder in all his glory, but i think the people expecting them to be stronger than the admirals are going to be disappointed. Nonetheless, i am now more excited about seeing the other 4!
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The implication of Saturn having awakened a fruit so seemingly devilish that it can be summoned from a pentagram is very compelling to me. I'm sure people have discussed it, but the necessary escalation in zoan awakenings beyond this regarding villains is pretty steep, unless Oda throws a curveball and, say, Imu's is more akin to Nika than a mythical evil.
@Barkworm said in Chapter 1094: Five Elders, Godhead of Science & Defense, St. Jaygarcia Saturn:
The chapter has its moments like Saturn's entry was really cool. I'm really having a hard time with some of the art though.
Yeah, there are two small Luffy panels that I am struggling with. The one where he's punching Kizaru and the one where Kizaru is shooting a laser at him right before the attack that has Kizaru seeing stars.
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I suppose this chapter pretty much confirms Imu too has a mythical zoan... Perfect for Blackbeard to steal along with his throne!
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@danie I really like the idea of Blackbeard stealing Imu's power because it would really feel like Teach upgrading to final boss status.
If it will happen or not, I don't know. But I do like it.
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@Deicide I believe and like it! There should be no question that Blackbeard is Luffy's opposite, so how could Imu be a more compelling final fight for Luffy? His devil fruit power will do!
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@Deicide said in Chapter 1094: Five Elders, Godhead of Science & Defense, St. Jaygarcia Saturn:
- We are far from the arc's end. Neither Kizaru vs Luffy nor Lucci vs Zoro are final fights. Saturn is the main villain of the arc, but the hierarchy of strength is yet undetermined. Kizaru may still be the Luffy's opponent, but this 1st clash was never meant to be the final one.
I think the Jump spread being Luffy vs. Kizaru pretty much confirms that's the main matchup.
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@King-Cannon It may be the case, but I wouldn't take that as confirmation of anything yet. Since Luffy vs Kizaru is already happening and was awaited for over a decade, it may be just a highlight of current events rather than a sign of things to come.
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@andre said in Chapter 1094: Five Elders, Godhead of Science & Defense, St. Jaygarcia Saturn:
Yeah, there are two small Luffy panels that I am struggling with. The one where he's punching Kizaru and the one where Kizaru is shooting a laser at him right before the attack that has Kizaru seeing stars.
Yes, those are the ones that make my head spin as well. What's up with Kizaru's hand in the second one??!!
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damn, I can't unsee it now
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On the other hand, the actual impact frame looked really good to me. It's a bit of a stretch, but the Star Gun attack sequence reminds me of Katakuri's Zan Giri Mochi.
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Well that's an escalation I wasn't expecting to see for at least a few more chapters. It can't be emphasised enough how brisk the Egghead Pacing is compared to Wano. A problem for the crew like Bonney being stuck down below is raised in chapter 1092 and by just 1094 she's been rescued and is already being pulled into more important events. The breaks make it all feel like it's taking longer than it is, but this kind of thing was taking half a volume worth of one panel at a time updates to get done just a year and a half ago. The binge read of Egghead is going to so refreshing comparatively.
There's some great art for the Jump cover and colour spread this week. Can you imagine if this spread had come out during Wano though? I can only imagine the theories and headcanons and expectations that would have been raised from it.
The scene of the Pacifistas turning on the Marines actually manages to be pretty intense. Oda's done a good job of not letting these guys feel like fodder, so I have no problem believing that the ability to control them equals control of the battlefield. It would be easy for the power scale of have slipped enough that you wonder how especially first gen Pacifistas were an effective countermeasure against the Whitebeard Pirates at Marineford (and the ease with which Luffy, Zoro and Sanji wiped out two of them for the Sabaody reunion edged on this) but instead they remain consistently threatening as an army more than a decade on.
Sanji sensing Bonney and Vegapunk questioning the scientific validity of his radar is definitely one of the better jokes the series has made of his womanising nature.
I'm still not expecting a full set of fights for these vice admirals, but glimpsing their different Devil Fruit powers and personalities in scenes like Bonney's one here helps make the scale of the world feel bigger. Oda doesn't let his characters get away with being nobodies.
And then it happens. I was expecting a slow arrival for Saturn, escorted carefully onto a secured part of the island with some kind of honourguard, not for him to teleport abruptly into the middle of the action with crazy magic powers. And he kills so casually in his bizarre yet intimidating transformed state. I had reservations about the Five Elders being combatants instead of just politicians, but if this is the kind of appearance and entrance we can expect from them all, then I'm on board. I don't even know what kind of being to say he even is yet. I've seen some possibilities thrown around that seem compelling after googling the names, but after Nika, there's a precedent for important Zoans being based on in-universe deities with whatever powers Oda needs them to have.
Meanwhile Luffy finally lands a solid hit on Borsalino. It's definitely not the end of the fight though, not by a long shot, even if Borsalino takes a chapter or two to shake off the hit and make it back from where he's been thrown. And that's terrifying, actually. I was expecting Saturn's arrival to wait until Borsalino was mostly or totally beat, maybe forcing an exhausted Luffy into a retreat. Now we've got a seemingly haki-spent Luffy with two high level opponents ready to fight him. He could barely keep Borsalino from breaking off to complete his Vegapunk assassination mission when it was one on one. We haven't seen enough to for sure if there was any hope of taking them both on together in a straight fight (I doubt it) but when the win condition is more complicated, the odds start to seem impossible.
Finally, we get another little hint at what's coming in Kuma's flashback, positining the Elders, or at least Saturn, as the guilty party behind Kuma's mind being wiped. This offers another compelling reason Kuma might have searched through Marie Geoise and abruptly left, if it's personal between him and Saturn. His arrival on Egghead with a will to fight could end up being the thing that makes it possible to protect Vegapunk while dealing with Borsalino and Saturn both.
Bonney's attack feels rash, but I'd be willing to bet she's saved Vegapunk's life here. We saw what Saturn can do with a glance. He's not fucking around here. Which means every moment someone is keeping his attention elsewhere is a better chance of Vegapunk's head not being exploded. She's definitely going to need a rescue sooner rather than later next chapter though. Good luck, Sanji!
Moments like this are what really makes the endgame feel like it's in motion for this series. It gets so hard to predict where we could be in a chapter's time when so much is happening at once in each chapter. And, as at the end of every installment lately, I hope we're back onto the normal schedule now so we can all enjoy more of this good stuff while it's coming.
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I'm leaning back into the SHs losing this arc. I really don't see Saturn being beat here. Kizaru, I'm not sure about yet. I guess it depends on what Oda's plans are for the Marines and what role they will have for the rest of the series. I think there will be so many things happening at once, escape will be the only option for the crew. Kuma will show up soon and save whoever he can that's not a SH.
Summoning circle for Saturn is interesting. I'm wondering if it's part of his power set or something else that only the Elders can do. Things are getting really interesting and we still have no idea what the BBs are going to do.
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One thing I don't like about this chapter is that we've added a new enemy in Saturn and yet the cliffhanger is that every Strawhat but Luffy and Zoro are there to fight him. Like, I get that this guy is extremely powerful, and this point is a bit of a tangent with everything else in this chapter, but are we really out of options with most of the crew perfectly healthy and ready to go? I don't like that.
But, that's just on the Saturn side of things. In spite of that his arrival does change the mood and he's extremely intimidating. It feels like someone could die now at the very least, and with him controlling the pacifista clearly something needs to change or else everyone will be caught or killed. This might be final obstacle in getting off this island.
Although, another tangent, I'm really hoping that all the build up to Kuma's journey was just to say, teleport Saturn off the island after everything goes wrong. That'd be a little too simple of a solution.
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@onemoment said in Chapter 1094: Five Elders, Godhead of Science & Defense, St. Jaygarcia Saturn:
One thing I don't like about this chapter is that we've added a new enemy in Saturn and yet the cliffhanger is that every Strawhat but Luffy and Zoro are there to fight him.
Right now it's only Sanji and Franky - and Luffy, once he recovers - there. But yes, except for Zoro who is busy fighting and Robin who is injured (and Brook, who I guess is watching York), there is nothing keeping the rest of the crew from attacking Saturn together.
Unless the Seraphim are released, of course. If York manages to release Kaku, there shouldn't be anyone fast enough to prevent him from releasing them (and since he is an Awakened Zoan, he might have recovered enough to be in fighting condition again).
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Usopp burned the World Government flag. I'd love to see him take a shot at one of its authorities as well.
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Bonney's track record as the only female worst generation member, up to date:
• cried a lot
• first to be defeated and lose her crew, effortlessly and off screen, even before the timeskip
• Repeatedly failed to save her dad. Got close once, but quit and went away as soon as she learned that someone else she didn't personally know was also on it
• had to be princess carried twice out of danger because apparently she was too woman to escape on her own
• fainted because of bugs• then stabs one of the presidents of the world in the chest while he is in giant spider Satan form 2 seconds after he emerged form a satanic ritual.
So yeah, Drake is still the worst.
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@Alfiere said in Chapter 1094: Five Elders, Godhead of Science & Defense, St. Jaygarcia Saturn:
• first to be defeated and lose her crew, effortlessly and off screen, even before the timeskip
I thought Luffy was the first to cry as he lost his crew and couldn't protect them.
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@Alfiere said in Chapter 1094: Five Elders, Godhead of Science & Defense, St. Jaygarcia Saturn:
Bonney's track record as the only female worst generation member, up to date:
• cried a lot
• first to be defeated and lose her crew, effortlessly and off screen, even before the timeskip
• Repeatedly failed to save her dad. Got close once, but quit and went away as soon as she learned that someone else she didn't personally know was also on it
• had to be princess carried twice out of danger because apparently she was too woman to escape on her own
• fainted because of bugs• then stabs one of the presidents of the world in the chest while he is in giant spider Satan form 2 seconds after he emerged form a satanic ritual.
So yeah, Drake is still the worst.
Don't forget:
- her relevance derives from her father
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@Alfiere said in Chapter 1094: Five Elders, Godhead of Science & Defense, St. Jaygarcia Saturn:
Bonney's track record as the only female worst generation member, up to date:
• cried a lot
• first to be defeated and lose her crew, effortlessly and off screen, even before the timeskip
• Repeatedly failed to save her dad. Got close once, but quit and went away as soon as she learned that someone else she didn't personally know was also on it
• had to be princess carried twice out of danger because apparently she was too woman to escape on her own
• fainted because of bugs• then stabs one of the presidents of the world in the chest while he is in giant spider Satan form 2 seconds after he emerged form a satanic ritual.
Feelings are proof of being alive, so Bonney has definitely shown herself to be alive the most.
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Chapter 1094 ends with Bonney remembering words (probably heard in her father's memories). I think this indicates a chance that we will see a flashback in Ch 1095. However, I think it's unlikely that this is THE Kuma flashback. More likely, it'd be a piece of the puzzle.
There are some reasons to think a large flashback would be unlikely right now. First, we returned from a 10-chapter cutaway just 6 chapters ago. It feels too early to halt the story again.
Also, Kuma's story may be told in several small flashbacks, rather than a big one. Kuma's story seem to cover a long period of time: childhood as a slave, possibly God Valley info, life as king, forming the Revolutionary Army, being captured, becoming a weapon...
Large flashbacks are usually focused on a single key event in someone's life. Smaller ones are better when you want to cover different periods of someone's history. For now, we know no single key moment in Kuma's story, so I'm leaning towards the later.
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@wolfwood said in Chapter 1094: Five Elders, Godhead of Science & Defense, St. Jaygarcia Saturn:
I'm really curious about that summoning circle. It doesn't have quite the same feel as a regular DF power, feels more like magic. Makes me prone to baseless speculation on if their powers are a "wilder" more raw forms of DF powers.
Is it possible the summoning circle is somehow used to siphon/borrow powers from Imu?
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I hope the Kuma flashback starts soon, I’m dying to see it
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@Shiebs Frankly, I'm not in any hurry to halt the story again after the 10 cutaway chapters we just got. But Oda will do whatever he fancies.
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@Deicide I understand that, but I just really would like to find out what’s up with Kuma
I mean we know he was a king and some people believe he was either terrible and cruel or the opposite, kind as can be
He was also once a slave and joined the revolutionaries
So we basically know nothing about the guy
So I’m very interested in learning a bit more
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@Deicide said in Chapter 1094: Five Elders, Godhead of Science & Defense, St. Jaygarcia Saturn:
Also, Kuma's story may be told in several small flashbacks, rather than a big one. Kuma's story seem to cover a long period of time: childhood as a slave, possibly God Valley info, life as king, forming the Revolutionary Army, being captured, becoming a weapon...
Large flashbacks are usually focused on a single key event in someone's life. Smaller ones are better when you want to cover different periods of someone's history. For now, we know no single key moment in Kuma's story, so I'm leaning towards the later.
Since Bonney watched Kuma's memories, the whole "different period" thing doesn't really hold much water. Bonney knows as much of Kuma's past as Kuma himself now.
Which I'm sure is the narrative reason Kuma's memories were ever out there. It was all so Bonney could literally piece them together for a big flashback sequence.
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@King-Cannon Bonney obviously knows everything right now, but how we readers will be informed is up in the air. What matters is how the narrative will explain Kuma's past. It can be in a huge chunk halting the main story for several chapters, or as small passages that come as the main storyline needs them. Right now, I'd prefer the later, but it really depends on what the flashback would focus on.
Heck, it could even be both: small flashbacks to show different periods, but there's a meaty main event that could be "the" Kuma flashback.
@Shiebs I hope we get it in small chunks. And then there's a bigger and more emotional moment later on to cap everything off. That way, we'd avoid halting the action completely right now.
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@Deicide said in Chapter 1094: Five Elders, Godhead of Science & Defense, St. Jaygarcia Saturn:
@Shiebs Frankly, I'm not in any hurry to halt the story again after the 10 cutaway chapters we just got. But Oda will do whatever he fancies.
Oda did that with the Oden flashback two or three chapters after the Act 2 break.
He doesn't care.
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@Deicide said in Chapter 1094: Five Elders, Godhead of Science & Defense, St. Jaygarcia Saturn:
Chapter 1094 ends with Bonney remembering words (probably heard in her father's memories). I think this indicates a chance that we will see a flashback in Ch 1095. However, I think it's unlikely that this is THE Kuma flashback. More likely, it'd be a piece of the puzzle.
There are some reasons to think a large flashback would be unlikely right now. First, we returned from a 10-chapter cutaway just 6 chapters ago. It feels too early to halt the story again.
Also, Kuma's story may be told in several small flashbacks, rather than a big one. Kuma's story seem to cover a long period of time: childhood as a slave, possibly God Valley info, life as king, forming the Revolutionary Army, being captured, becoming a weapon...
Large flashbacks are usually focused on a single key event in someone's life. Smaller ones are better when you want to cover different periods of someone's history. For now, we know no single key moment in Kuma's story, so I'm leaning towards the later.
I think we're better off concluding that Oda showing the cat and mouse with York would have slowed the pace of Egghead down too much in a tedious manner, and that he prob feels it would be better to show Bonney's flashback with Kuma right after stabbing Saturn than before it, for more dramatic impact.
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@King-Cannon Well, act 2 break spent only 2 chapters. Besides, neither the break nor the flashback happened mid-action. We had just rested after Act 2's action was resolved, and at best we had the setup for Act 3 with the Scabbards finding the port empty.
Right now, we had just spent 10 chapters away from Egghead, and the action is in the middle of escalation. I don't find the situations now and then alike.
Oda can do whatever he likes, of course. I just want to stay in Egghead for a bit before we have another long break from it, especially after so many real-world break weeks.
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What if the Gorosei were using Bonney’s power to extend their lives?. If not what else were they using her for and why do they not need her now?.
What if the Gorosei are from the void center like Imu but unlike him they’ve been using Bonney’s power?.
Saturn said in a somber way, NIKA!!!!, that’s not somebody who’s been told a story, that sounds more like someone who has lived the story. If he had said NIKA?, then it would have made more sense from someone who just heard a story.
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@realtenchu said in Chapter 1094: Five Elders, Godhead of Science & Defense, St. Jaygarcia Saturn:
What if the Gorosei were using Bonney’s power to extend their lives?. If not what else were they using her for and why do they not need her now?.
What if the Gorosei are from the void center like Imu but unlike him they’ve been using Bonney’s power?.
Saturn said in a somber way, NIKA!!!!, that’s not somebody who’s been told a story, that sounds more like someone who has lived the story. If he had said NIKA?, then it would have made more sense from someone who just heard a story.
Bonney's powers seem temporary going by what she said to Vegapunk earlier, so that doesn't seem to be the case.
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the chapter was awful
luffy running outta gas for the millionth time, didn't show us the true effect of Star gun on Kizaru, the scene was annoyingly cut off so the big fucker gets to shine
another big fucking spider for the second arc in a row, very disappointing, black maria was more than enough to explore the dullness of spiders
Saturn's design is very ugly and totally ruined his original majestic image, now he's a smile user with extra steps.
if the other elders are similar to this foolery then my hype is already gone, japanese folklore is sometimes meh. Kishimoto gave us the best of it. only garbage remained.
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@electricmastro said in Chapter 1094: Five Elders, Godhead of Science & Defense, St. Jaygarcia Saturn:
@realtenchu said in Chapter 1094: Five Elders, Godhead of Science & Defense, St. Jaygarcia Saturn:
What if the Gorosei were using Bonney’s power to extend their lives?. If not what else were they using her for and why do they not need her now?.
What if the Gorosei are from the void center like Imu but unlike him they’ve been using Bonney’s power?.
Saturn said in a somber way, NIKA!!!!, that’s not somebody who’s been told a story, that sounds more like someone who has lived the story. If he had said NIKA?, then it would have made more sense from someone who just heard a story.
Bonney's powers seem temporary going by what she said to Vegapunk earlier, so that doesn't seem to be the case.
Don’t remember that part. But it would be a shame if she really can’t manipulate age permanently or at least as long as she wants or is alive. Boa’s powers are as long as she wants.
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@realtenchu said in Chapter 1094: Five Elders, Godhead of Science & Defense, St. Jaygarcia Saturn:
@electricmastro said in Chapter 1094: Five Elders, Godhead of Science & Defense, St. Jaygarcia Saturn:
@realtenchu said in Chapter 1094: Five Elders, Godhead of Science & Defense, St. Jaygarcia Saturn:
What if the Gorosei were using Bonney’s power to extend their lives?. If not what else were they using her for and why do they not need her now?.
What if the Gorosei are from the void center like Imu but unlike him they’ve been using Bonney’s power?.
Saturn said in a somber way, NIKA!!!!, that’s not somebody who’s been told a story, that sounds more like someone who has lived the story. If he had said NIKA?, then it would have made more sense from someone who just heard a story.
Bonney's powers seem temporary going by what she said to Vegapunk earlier, so that doesn't seem to be the case.
Don’t remember that part.
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@electricmastro said in Chapter 1094: Five Elders, Godhead of Science & Defense, St. Jaygarcia Saturn:
@realtenchu said in Chapter 1094: Five Elders, Godhead of Science & Defense, St. Jaygarcia Saturn:
@electricmastro said in Chapter 1094: Five Elders, Godhead of Science & Defense, St. Jaygarcia Saturn:
@realtenchu said in Chapter 1094: Five Elders, Godhead of Science & Defense, St. Jaygarcia Saturn:
What if the Gorosei were using Bonney’s power to extend their lives?. If not what else were they using her for and why do they not need her now?.
What if the Gorosei are from the void center like Imu but unlike him they’ve been using Bonney’s power?.
Saturn said in a somber way, NIKA!!!!, that’s not somebody who’s been told a story, that sounds more like someone who has lived the story. If he had said NIKA?, then it would have made more sense from someone who just heard a story.
Bonney's powers seem temporary going by what she said to Vegapunk earlier, so that doesn't seem to be the case.
Don’t remember that part.
Well that’s a downgrade for her. She goes from a very useful power to a gimmick. I still don’t get why the WG wanted her in the past.
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@realtenchu said in Chapter 1094: Five Elders, Godhead of Science & Defense, St. Jaygarcia Saturn:
@electricmastro said in Chapter 1094: Five Elders, Godhead of Science & Defense, St. Jaygarcia Saturn:
@realtenchu said in Chapter 1094: Five Elders, Godhead of Science & Defense, St. Jaygarcia Saturn:
@electricmastro said in Chapter 1094: Five Elders, Godhead of Science & Defense, St. Jaygarcia Saturn:
@realtenchu said in Chapter 1094: Five Elders, Godhead of Science & Defense, St. Jaygarcia Saturn:
What if the Gorosei were using Bonney’s power to extend their lives?. If not what else were they using her for and why do they not need her now?.
What if the Gorosei are from the void center like Imu but unlike him they’ve been using Bonney’s power?.
Saturn said in a somber way, NIKA!!!!, that’s not somebody who’s been told a story, that sounds more like someone who has lived the story. If he had said NIKA?, then it would have made more sense from someone who just heard a story.
Bonney's powers seem temporary going by what she said to Vegapunk earlier, so that doesn't seem to be the case.
Don’t remember that part.
Well that’s a downgrade for her. She goes from a very useful power to a gimmick. I still don’t get why the WG wanted her in the past.
Well, seeing as how she's Kuma's child, then they might have wanted her for reasons relating to Kuma's people.
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@Alfiere oda has a terrible track record with female characters that is not Big Mom so we'll have to keep our expectations...pretty much the same as we have always been going forward.
I'll even argue that Big Mom was handled badly in Wano but she did have WCI so that's abit more fair.
I guess we can always fall back on the justification that she's much younger than she looks and is likely a child too which makes no sense how then she is able to gain enough notoriety to fall under the worst generations banner.Plot, essentially.
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@kevo_koma said in Chapter 1094: Five Elders, Godhead of Science & Defense, St. Jaygarcia Saturn:
@wolfwood said in Chapter 1094: Five Elders, Godhead of Science & Defense, St. Jaygarcia Saturn:
I'm really curious about that summoning circle. It doesn't have quite the same feel as a regular DF power, feels more like magic. Makes me prone to baseless speculation on if their powers are a "wilder" more raw forms of DF powers.
Is it possible the summoning circle is somehow used to siphon/borrow powers from Imu?
I could definitely see them pulling power from someone or something.
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In fan translations Kizaru's line was "this is....not goood!" Him saying "I'm....seeing stars!" kinda fits a lot better, like it sounds he's in shock but also it comes off as a psuedo-sarcastic "ohhhhh nooooo" line he usually gives off.
Luffy's out of stamina so SHs are fucked???
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Did Luffy just straight up take a laser blast as a concussive hit instead of a piercing one?! Because if so, that's some insane defense!
Also--again--the official translation woofed some unfortunate lines. Still appreciate the service on both the official and unofficial fronts though.
For a moment I thought Oda was going to use the 5 elders to introduce a brand new class of devil fruits that turn users into summoners. Give them something truly unique. Definitely would've had more impact if he hadn't blown his spider load on Black Maria.
@zeltrax225 Terrible with her too if you consider he basically undid her character model just to needlessly give her the "generic sexy female" body type that absolutely would never have fit with the way she lives. Child Linlin and Emperor Linlin are the same character. I don't know who that chick was who showed up in Rocks.
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@Sirxxx said in Chapter 1094: Five Elders, Godhead of Science & Defense, St. Jaygarcia Saturn:
Child Linlin and Emperor Linlin are the same character. I don't know who that chick was who showed up in Rocks.
The nose is maybe unacceptable, but after a reread of WCI, that version of Linlin looks kind of like this one.
Only reasonable explanation is that Big Mom had a faster metabolism or was more actively being a pirate and less sitting on a throne and getting knocked up in her 20s-30s.
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