@Monkey:
Which one is that?
I think it was a hadith or something.
Nardo and Bleh Thread III: Naruto is a terrible terrible manga
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@Monkey:
I think it was a hadith or something.
One or two attributed quotes (is it even one of the widely credited hadiths?) obviously hasn't had much of an influence on history though as was my point. There was virtually nothing for some 1500 or so years, and then the Israel conflict begins and BOOM suddenly you see stuff.
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there is no such freaking thing in Quran and Hadith.. Don't lie just to justify your own hatred and prejudice..
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the sufis and quranists are great most sunnis and shias are aight unless theyre trying to convert me in which case theyre annoying as fuck the wahhabis and salfists are modern day nazis
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the sufis and quranists are great most sunnis and shias are aight unless theyre trying to convert me in which case theyre annoying as fuck the wahhabis and salfists are modern day nazis
Where do you live to be running into all of them lol.
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Are you saying that losing some customers and showing weakness is worse than letting the village completely unprotected and sending kids to dangerous missions? That is such a good Management!:ninja: Do you even understand what it means to not have forces in your headquarters? TOTAL STUPIDITY! And what it means to send kids to mission where is almost certain that they would be killed, and only to try to convince a traitor not to go through with the betrayal? TOTAL STUPIDITY!
i said 'available' jounins and chunins…..those who protect the boundary surely don't qualify as 'available'....i don't know whether you remember that there is a special branch in Konoha who works as detectors and notice any intrusion through the invisible barrier..
anyway read what Tsunade says..
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just sittin here watching NARUTO on the c. network right now. naruto should not sarender his scroll.
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i said 'available' jounins and chunins…..those who protect the boundary surely don't qualify as 'available'....i don't know whether you remember that there is a special branch in Konoha who works as detectors and notice any intrusion through the invisible barrier..
anyway read what Tsunade says..
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Ok, then they had the village protected, but what about she sending Genins? And How many Chunnins/Junnins do you think the village need for protection? A Handful of them? A Dozen? A Hundred? A Thousand? For a village as big as Konoha I would say that Hundred is the most credible number and in the limit a Dozen. What is 5 people compared to Hundreds or Dozens? Couldn't she for 30 minutes send 5 Chunnins/Junnins protecting the village, and substitute their places by Genins?(Is funny how you believe that people guarding, sitting in their asses waiting for something to happen, aren't available, but inexperienced kids are) If it wasn't really possible(I don't see how) then she shouldn't send anyone to that mission! A Hokage is responsible for all the people of the Village! A person like that have to resign to certain things. What it means to retrieve Sasuke to the village? Nothing!(After 2 years and all the second part without Sasuke, the village is still the same! He means Nothing!) What it means to put at risk the Young Generation? Everything! (Last time I checked the will of Fire is "Protect the next Generation". Ups, I guess Tsunade, just did the opposite.).
Kishimoto made everyone of his characters have a broken logic, exceptions are the people that rarely appear like Rock Lee and Tenten. Is incredible how he was able to make a lot of stupid things/moments look like good/cool/touchings things/moments for the fans.
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Or in other words, every single character of note in the entire series.
So because some kids fail to cut the mustard in class, that makes sending other kids off to die okay? What? Hashiramas utopian child-soldier-free village still endorses utilization of child soldiers, thats all there is to it. "Special kids" or not, voluntary application or not, Konoha still lets kids die; hell, Gaara murdering who knows how many kids was just a part of the chuunin exam.
Considering how godawfully terrible the whole Ninja life is, and all the flashbacks Kishi has given stressing exactly that, it baffles me that kids enroll in the academy in the first place.
I think what saved this concept in Part 1 was that the kids seemed aware of what they had signed up for, and that death was part of the deal. Whereas in part 2, shiniboi throw world-destroying hissy fits because being a fucking mercenary child NINJA SOLDIER involved more emotional stress than they expected when they signed up
I remember absolutely nothing of this. You sure thats not anime filler?
all of these have been shown in the manga,you just didn't read attentively….
also you are totally unjust in your assumption about training child soldiers.....first there is no wrong in training kid to grow up as a strong shinobi...it is called 'ninja academy'...so the purpose is to make ninjas....that too was Hashirama-Tobirama's concept....it was clearly stated that they divide mission's in five ranks...S,A,B,C,D....a genins were given C and D level missions,which was deemed as low risk or no risk works...then they are to progress according to their abilities and experiences....first mission of Naruto was to catch a cat of a aristocrat woman...his 2nd job was to guard a bridge-builder from thieves...it became dangerous because he hid the truth about being targeted by ninjas( Kakshi clearly stated his team is not compatible to such risk,but they were already in action)...so it is not that Naruto and co. was sent to face likes of Zabuza knowingly.....still casualties can occur any time and may be unavoidable...but they followed reasonable procedures...
Tsunade sent Shikamaru and others knowingly that Oro's henchmen may be with Sasuke..but she had to take the risk.....by that time situation became desperate enough to sort for such action..they couldn't let last surviving Uchiha fell in the hand of Oro...she later sent back-up though....it was also shown some kids had enough ability to counter even adults...Itachi became chunin at age 10..Gaara became Kazekage around 13..Naruto world is made in that way...so it was not that shocking...
i wonder how you take 12-13 years old(same as Naruto in part 1) Buggy and Shank in the midst of 14 battleships of Shiki and justify their inclusion as trainee pirate in Roger's ship..
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i wonder how you take 12-13 years old(same as Naruto in part 1) Buggy and Shank in the midst of 14 battleships of Shiki and justify their inclusion as trainee pirate in Roger's ship..
Because they probably hopped aboard willingly to this lawless vagrant ship, and most likely both have no families or anything like that.
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Tsunade sent Shikamaru and others knowingly that Oro's henchmen may be with Sasuke..but she had to take the risk…..by that time situation became desperate enough to sort for such action..they couldn't let last surviving Uchiha fell in the hand of Oro...
She didn't had to take the risk! You're overestimating Sasuke Value! And at the same time you're devaluing the other kids lives. The situation was everything, but desperate! Do you really think that in any organization when a simple member run AWOL the situation turns desperate? No, it doesn't! At the end of the day, Sasuke is just a Genin Ninja, between hundreds of other Genins and Thousand of other Ninjas of the village.
It would make a lot more sense, if in secret Shikamaru, Naruto, Chouji, Kiba and Neji would go after Sasuke trying to convince him to give up from the escape, in order from him not to be killed, if captured. This case scenario is done so many times that I don't even know why Kishimoto decided to go for other path, but then Kishimoto never was good in those details. Like how a kid grow without any Guardians.she later sent back-up though….it was also shown some kids had enough ability to counter even adults...Itachi became chunin at age 10..Gaara became Kazekage around 13..Naruto world is made in that way...so it was not that shocking...
Wow, she sent back-ups! Do you know? Cleaning shit, doesn't turn the shit cleaner!
Are you really comparing Itachi and Gaara with Naruto, Chouji, Kiba, Neji and Shikamaru? And even if they were equals would you send Itachi or Gaara to such a mission while they were only a genins?i wonder how you take 12-13 years old(same as Naruto in part 1) Buggy and Shank in the midst of 14 battleships of Shiki and justify their inclusion as trainee pirate in Roger's ship..
Do you know what pirates are? You're comparing a Pirate crew and Ninja Village(Military organization) like they were the same thing. Did you read the first chapter of One Piece, Shanks didn't accept Luffy as a Pirate trainee, because he was to young and he knew how dangerous a pirate life is. Roger accepted them, but in the end he is a pirate and not a role model.
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the sufis and quranists are great most sunnis and shias are aight unless theyre trying to convert me in which case theyre annoying as fuck the wahhabis and salfists are modern day nazis
Woooooah woah woah what the hell is going on here
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I don't even know where to begin with this. A lot of the terms that you just mentioned are labels which actually mean nothing and have no credibility in Islam.
But anyway, this isn't the place for this. I was just surprised to see conversation about religion in the Naruto thread.
If you'd like to talk more about this you can private message me.
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She didn't had to take the risk! You're overestimating Sasuke Value! And at the same time you're devaluing the other kids lives. The situation was everything, but desperate! Do you really think that in any organization when a simple member run AWOL the situation turns desperate? No, it doesn't! At the end of the day, Sasuke is just a Genin Ninja, between hundreds of other Genins and Thousand of other Ninjas of the village.
It would make a lot more sense, if in secret Shikamaru, Naruto, Chouji, Kiba and Neji would go after Sasuke trying to convince him to give up from the escape, in order from him not to be killed, if captured. This case scenario is done so many times that I don't even know why Kishimoto decided to go for other path, but then Kishimoto never was good in those details. Like how a kid grow without any Guardians.Wow, she sent back-ups! Do you know? Cleaning shit, doesn't turn the shit cleaner!
Are you really comparing Itachi and Gaara with Naruto, Chouji, Kiba, Neji and Shikamaru? And even if they were equals would you send Itachi or Gaara to such a mission while they were only a genins?Do you know what pirates are? You're comparing a Pirate crew and Ninja Village(Military organization) like they were the same thing. Did you read the first chapter of One Piece, Shanks didn't accept Luffy as a Pirate trainee, because he was to young and he knew how dangerous a pirate life is. Roger accepted them, but in the end he is a pirate and not a role model.
it is not the question of valuing or devaluing Sasuke….Tsunade knew pretty well what she is risking..but as a hokage she can't just sit by knowing a ninja falling in Oro's grasp.so she stood by it...but as i said they are special kids...trained ones...so sending five of them to bring back another kid is not illogical...she already took into equation the factors of Oro's minion and tried to send back up as quickly as possible...they were kids too and unlike other five those sand three went willingly,not under hokage's 'order'...
now consider the alternative which you are advocating....first of all if she didn't send them,Naruto would run for Sasuke anyway...even if she restrained Naruto,other rookies would not take it lightly if they heard Sasuke was defecting....worst case scenario would have been some of them sneaking out and then Tsunade had bigger problem to dealt with...by giving them a official mission,she kept the command of the chase under her...
if Kishi really made them secretly escaping Konoha,then he couldn't show them in near death situation and getting helping hands in just right moment...because nobody could have guessed what direction they chose or estimate how far they went........in the end they gained immense experience from that mission which helped them to strengthened their resolves...the whole scenario was what made the story.....i don't understand why real world comparison is coming...of course sending kids to war is abominable...but in which real world people can 'mold' their 'chakra' and can perform 'spooky' action from distance....?...Kishi always showed very strong kids in Narutoverse.. the story was made accordingly....
also it was not like they were going for a official war..it was a rescue mission....the official war,which is happening now,has no kids....Naruto and co. are 16 and are not kid anymore by shinobi standard....they also didn't bring Konohamaru and his group who are now at the same age Naruto was in part 1....
and lastly it is said again and again in the manga that current shinobi system is no way perfect....Hashirama himself said his dream is still not materialized after hearing Itachi's story....so you can just see it(training kid so early in combat) as another imperfection.. -
@Monkey:
Except there really hasn't been?
There is no notable antagonism at all between Islam and Judaism historically. All this stuff we see nowadays came about due to the creation of Israel.
Before that I don't think Muslims anywhere let alone the Levant gave a particular shit one way or the other about Jews.
The historical antagonism that doesn't really exist so much anymore is between Jews and Christians (all three main branches of Christianity have tormented Jews at some stage).
And it's really more an ethnic conflict between Arabs and Jews. There is some feelings of comradery toward the Palestinians in other non-Arab Muslim countries, but hell there's feelings like that in Latin America and Northern Ireland too. And those are both Catholic places (well that is to say the Catholics of Northern Ireland are the ones who sympathize with the Palestianians, I imagine the Protestants there sympathize with Israel more).Thanks, I'm happy that you summed this up nicely. I will add for anyone who doesn't know, that there is a growing movement of comradery between Jews and Palestinians. Unsurprisingly, not everyone hates each other. This is actually a continuation of the peace and goodwill between muslims and jews when Islam spread to Madinah 1400 years ago, where muslims, christians, and jews lived peacefully amongst each other.
Want proof? PM me and I'll send it to you.
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Tsunade should have gone personally. She could easily wipe the floor with the sound ninjas, bitchslap Sasuke for being a dumbass and return within those 30 minutes.
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@Monkey:
Which one is that?
It's something to do with permission to execute the Jewish clans of Madinah after their betrayals.
It makes sense in context but in recent years people have used shit like that as a sort of justification.
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it is not the question of valuing or devaluing Sasuke….Tsunade knew pretty well what she is risking..but as a hokage she can't just sit by knowing a ninja falling in Oro's grasp.so she stood by it...but as i said they are special kids...trained ones...so sending five of them to bring back another kid is not illogical...she already took into equation the factors of Oro's minion and tried to send back up as quickly as possible...they were kids too and unlike other five those sand three went willingly,not under hokage's 'order'...
Have you been reading what I've been writing? The problem is what she is risking! That is why she is a Mega incompetent Hokage. She could risk Chunnin/Junnin adults, but she risked Genning kids! You keep saying they were trained, but you forget that they were rookies; Ninjas for only one Year; were Genins; the lowest rank of ninjas; were kids, that the mission wasn't really necessary(You just think that, because Sasuke was one of the main characters, and because every single one of them were saying how important rescuing him was, but in the world of Naruto he was just another Genin) and in the end she could send other people. So she had 6 reasons not to send them, but still did.
now consider the alternative which you are advocating….first of all if she didn't send them,Naruto would run for Sasuke anyway...
So you're saying you prefer that somebody go to his death with your consent than without? Good for you!
even if she restrained Naruto,other rookies would not take it lightly if they heard Sasuke was defecting….worst case scenario would have been some of them sneaking out and then Tsunade had bigger problem to dealt with...by giving them a official mission,she kept the command of the chase under her...
What about others rookies don't taking lightly of Sasuke defection? Do you know the consequences of somebody go AWOL, in the Naruto Ninja world? Death. Yep, knowing that, they would really start going AWOL!:ninja: After Sasuke retrieval arc, Tsunade didn't sent Sasuke into the Anbu Black List as she should. That should be the situation where other Ninjas would realize that the rules aren't followed, because of favoritism or incompetence, and would began to escape the village more frequently.
if Kishi really made them secretly escaping Konoha,then he couldn't show them in near death situation and getting helping hands in just right moment…because nobody could have guessed what direction they chose or estimate how far they went........
You're completely wrong with this! Do you know Sakura? The Sasuke fangirl that saw Sasuke leaving and in which Naruto promised to rescue him? Yep, she could just spill the beans to the Ninjas of Konoha when they noticed the kids disappearance. In that way they would be rescued in just the right moment!
About guessing their direction? Tell me, how did Shikamaru team guessed the direction of Sasuke after an entire night had passed? And how Tsunade back up guessed?(Gaara, Kakashi and the Anbu doctors?) Of course they could have guessed where the kids went! About how far? They didn't really need to estimate. They would go until the border of the Country, like Kakashi did!in the end they gained immense experience from that mission which helped them to strengthened their resolves…the whole scenario was what made the story.....
Oh, what a good Hokage! Sent kid Gennin rookies to an almost death sentence to increase their experience and strengthening their resolves! Now I know what they meant by protect the younger generation.:ninja:
i don't understand why real world comparison is coming…of course sending kids to war is abominable...but in which real world people can 'mold' their 'chakra' and can perform 'spooky' action from distance....?...Kishi always showed very strong kids in Narutoverse.. the story was made accordingly....
Maybe, because the system is mapping the real world? You understand that a Wizard in a land of Wizards is just a normal guy, don't you? Just because the kids had 'Chakra' and 'Ninjutsu' doesn't change the situation in the least, because the enemy had them too.
What about Kishi showing very strong kids? They exist in real world too, but that doesn't mean every Kid is very strong, or does it? And obviously the kids involved weren't inside the group of geniuses kids(Maybe Neji was).also it was not like they were going for a official war..it was a rescue mission….
In reality if we going to be correct, it wasn't a rescue mission either, because the one being rescued was the one fleeing. It was a capture/retrieval mission. And certainly an S Mission at that.
the official war,which is happening now,has no kids….Naruto and co. are 16 and are not kid anymore by shinobi standard....they also didn't bring Konohamaru and his group who are now at the same age Naruto was in part 1....
They being 16 and not being considered "kids" by shinobi standard is the reason a lot of people is arguing! In reality the Elders talked with Tsunade for her not to send Naruto, to the village battle against Pain, because he was still a kid. So …?
and lastly it is said again and again in the manga that current shinobi system is no way perfect….Hashirama himself said his dream is still not materialized after hearing Itachi's story....so you can just see it(training kid so early in combat) as another imperfection..
That is one of the big problems with this series, they say a lot of time about the shinobi system being imperfect, but there is nothing that shows that. In reality I would say the system is really good.
The history of Itachi have nothing, but nothing, to do with the Ninja system. Think about it! Itachi family was trying to make a coup d'etat, and because of it Itachi killed all his clan. Tell me what about the coup d'etat and the genocide was about the Ninja system? Please don't tell me the Uchihas were segregated, they definitely weren't. -
Have you been reading what I've been writing? The problem is what she is risking! That is why she is a Mega incompetent Hokage. She could risk Chunnin/Junnin adults, but she risked Genning kids! You keep saying they were trained, but you forget that they were rookies; Ninjas for only one Year; were Genins; the lowest rank of ninjas; were kids, that the mission wasn't really necessary(You just think that, because Sasuke was one of the main characters, and because every single one of them were saying how important rescuing him was, but in the world of Naruto he was just another Genin) and in the end she could send other people. So she had 6 reasons not to send them, but still did.
So you're saying you prefer that somebody go to his death with your consent than without? Good for you!
What about others rookies don't taking lightly of Sasuke defection? Do you know the consequences of somebody go AWOL, in the Naruto Ninja world? Death. Yep, knowing that, they would really start going AWOL!:ninja: After Sasuke retrieval arc, Tsunade didn't sent Sasuke into the Anbu Black List as she should. That should be the situation where other Ninjas would realize that the rules aren't followed, because of favoritism or incompetence, and would began to escape the village more frequently.
You're completely wrong with this! Do you know Sakura? The Sasuke fangirl that saw Sasuke leaving and in which Naruto promised to rescue him? Yep, she could just spill the beans to the Ninjas of Konoha when they noticed the kids disappearance. In that way they would be rescued in just the right moment!
About guessing their direction? Tell me, how did Shikamaru team guessed the direction of Sasuke after an entire night had passed? And how Tsunade back up guessed?(Gaara, Kakashi and the Anbu doctors?) Of course they could have guessed where the kids went! About how far? They didn't really need to estimate. They would go until the border of the Country, like Kakashi did!Oh, what a good Hokage! Sent kid Gennin rookies to an almost death sentence to increase their experience and strengthening their resolves! Now I know what they meant by protect the younger generation.:ninja:
Maybe, because the system is mapping the real world? You understand that a Wizard in a land of Wizards is just a normal guy, don't you? Just because the kids had 'Chakra' and 'Ninjutsu' doesn't change the situation in the least, because the enemy had them too.
What about Kishi showing very strong kids? They exist in real world too, but that doesn't mean every Kid is very strong, or does it? And obviously the kids involved weren't inside the group of geniuses kids(Maybe Neji was).In reality if we going to be correct, it wasn't a rescue mission either, because the one being rescued was the one fleeing. It was a capture/retrieval mission. And certainly an S Mission at that.
They being 16 and not being considered "kids" by shinobi standard is the reason a lot of people is arguing! In reality the Elders talked with Tsunade for her not to send Naruto, to the village battle against Pain, because he was still a kid. So …?
http://a.mpcdn.net/manga/p/739/31780/5.jpgThat is one of the big problems with this series, they say a lot of time about the shinobi system being imperfect, but there is nothing that shows that. In reality I would say the system is really good.
The history of Itachi have nothing, but nothing, to do with the Ninja system. Think about it! Itachi family was trying to make a coup d'etat, and because of it Itachi killed all his clan. Tell me what about the coup d'etat and the genocide was about the Ninja system? Please don't tell me the Uchihas were segregated, they definitely weren't.heh!..it is you who is underestimating them as child…here is Shikamaru's words at the onset..
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they knew what they were doing…
#funny you putting the phrase 'do you know' periodically,yet i wonder how much you yourself remember....Sasuke left Sakura unconscious(he hit her neck) and only in the morning Tsunade's helpers woke her up....she spilled the bean immediately...
#Kiba and Akamaru sniffed out Sasuke's direction..that resulted from a well organised mission....Gaara had sensory power...later Kakashi used Pakkun to found out Naruto..
#funny in one hand you are advocating kids should be shielded,yet so easily suggesting to put Sasuke as missing nin and set a value on his head..?.Shikamaru himself said they are going to have a 'rescue mission' and Tsunade thought it as no different....
#Tsunade put elders in place saying Naruto is not a child...had she not called back Naruto,nothing would have left of Konoha....
#i have no sympathy for Uchihas,but for Itachi......
getting children grown up quickly can be seen as the fault of the system...but that's the story and how Narutoworld is made...you can't put your own morals to judge a imaginary world....i take it as face value and stand by my own sense of accepting/refuting it....
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Oh Shikamaru, that's what the story should have been titled. "Shikamaru"
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Well after all, he's the only character in the story that should be Hokage.
Such blasphemy!
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This story should have been about shikamaru, rock lee, and some new interesting girl.
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Or Team Guy. You know, like in the real Naruto…
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I'll bet Kishi had one of the most amazing backstories ever for Tenten, but it would've spanned a couple arcs and completely overshadowed the main story…so he took it out.
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heh!..it is you who is underestimating them as child…here is Shikamaru's words at the onset..
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they knew what they were doing…
What he said had nothing to do about being a child, but about being a Shinobi. Have I ever told that because they were children, they weren't shinobis?
His speech is directed to someone that have been kidnapped, and not someone that was persuaded by the enemy and betrayed the village!#funny you putting the phrase 'do you know' periodically,yet i wonder how much you yourself remember….Sasuke left Sakura unconscious(he hit her neck) and only in the morning Tsunade's helpers woke her up....she spilled the bean immediately...
I was giving an alternative for how they would get rescued later by ninjas from Konoha/Sand instead of being "back ups". Even if she spilled the bean immediately, doesn't change anything about them being rescued later after Shikamaru team secretly went to retrieve Sasuke. Simply, when Tzunade found out what they did, she would send people to rescue them, turning in the same situation, but not being her that sent them.
#Kiba and Akamaru sniffed out Sasuke's direction..that resulted from a well organised mission….Gaara had sensory power...later Kakashi used Pakkun to found out Naruto..
So you're agreeing with me, and against you, that tracking them wasn't a problem.
#funny in one hand you are advocating kids should be shielded,yet so easily suggesting to put Sasuke as missing nin and set a value on his head..?.Shikamaru himself said they are going to have a 'rescue mission' and Tsunade thought it as no different….
No, I'm advocating how badly the allies and the enemy were handled. The allies kids were treated as meat canons that can be sent to their probable death without any regard, while a kid enemy was treated like he was the most important thing in the world.
Just because people say something, don't make those things true. What does it means rescuing? It means going to save somebody in trouble. But Sasuke wasn't even in trouble and they wouldn't go to save him(you could say it was to save him from is own stupidity), but to do the opposite! So how can it be a rescue? They were chasing him to take him back by force.
Why do you think that in One Piece the Straw hats only went to rescue Robin after knowing that in reality she hadn't abandoned them, but sacrificed her in order to safe them? And the same in Bleach with Rukia? Because rescue means safe somebody and not force your way to somebody.#Tsunade put elders in place saying Naruto is not a child…had she not called back Naruto,nothing would have left of Konoha....
No! Tsunade said Naruto was a Shinobi and that he was growing! Being Shinobi has nothing to do with being a child(not when in Naruto world people become shinobis in the age of 13) and growing is something everybody does, even kids! Her argument wasn't even valid!
Now you're using future events as argument for past events? Tell me how sending Naruto, the one Pain wanted, be a good idea? That is the most stupid idea ever. If you take for example Attack on Titans! Eren was the stronger person in the recon corps, because he had the Titan transformation. The Female Titan wanted to capture him. Everybody decision was making Eren not fight with her and instead escape. Why? Because giving what the enemy wants in a silver platter is the dumbest thing you could ever do.
#i have no sympathy for Uchihas,but for Itachi…...
Itachi story was made very badly! It was a trap that caught a lot of fans, fans that overlooked how stupidly his story was laid down(Well, a lot of stupid things Kishimoto does the fans overlook. Before, I too, intentionally overlooked somethings, but after to many things to overlook I give up). How can a guy that kills all is entire clan, only to stop a simple coup d'etat, could be seen as good and intelligent is beyond me(And not to talk about his job in Akatsuki and how he treated his younger brother).
getting children grown up quickly can be seen as the fault of the system…but that's the story and how Narutoworld is made...you can't put your own morals to judge a imaginary world....i take it as face value and stand by my own sense of accepting/refuting it....
As I ever said that making children grown up quickly was a fault of the system? No, because it isn't. The system is ruthless, but that isn't a fault, per se. As I said, nothing is wrong with the system. In reality is to much organized.
What is wrong is incompetent people like Tsunade, Sarutobi, Minato, … stupid people like Naruto, Sakura, kakashi, ... and Dumb maniac guys like Sasuke, Obito, Madara, ...
The really problem is bad characters and things they do that it seems the only reason is to give some emotional impact and give spotlight to other characters, otherwise they make no fucking sense. I don't see badly trying to give emotional impact to things and give spotlight to characters(the reason why at first I overlooked them), but at least this things should be properly made. -
This story should have been about shikamaru, rock lee, and some new interesting girl.
Considering that the less unlikeable are:
Anko
That Pig Girl
Ten Ten (as in Oatmeal kind of not unlikeable, there's not much content there
Tenmari
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I just realized how awesome a comic titled "GAI" would be. Just…"GAI" nothing else. The title itself reeks of sheer greatness.
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Considering that the less unlikeable are:
Anko
That Pig Girl
Ten Ten (as in Oatmeal kind of not unlikeable, there's not much content there
Tenmari
Hinata
Old Lady Chiyo
Ma ToadI guess we could get ten ten as the lesser of 7 evils.
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YouTube has started its first ever geek week. I wonder what we're in store for next :blink:
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more importantly ALL of Gundam ZZ is on youtube.
Wow, now we can enjoy 2/3 awkward mediocrity, and 1/3 decent Gundam in the middle that gets ruined anyway because it's set up is weak, and it's resolution is weaker.
Hoooora!
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@Monkey:
Wow, now we can enjoy 2/3 awkward mediocrity, and 1/3 decent Gundam in the middle that gets ruined anyway because it's set up is weak, and it's resolution is weaker.
Hoooora!
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Gundam ZZ: That One Hanging Thread From Zeta Takes 47 Episodes To Die And Is Ruined Along the Way
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@Monkey:
Wow, now we can enjoy 2/3 awkward mediocrity, and 1/3 decent Gundam in the middle that gets ruined anyway because it's set up is weak, and it's resolution is weaker.
Hoooora!
I'm starting to think you didn't like it.
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I'm starting to think you didn't like it.
I have a really fair opinion of it lol, I really did think it had good spots and that the middle was pretty great. I'm the good example. Most people outright hate it through and through. The fact that it is fundamentally flawed and has a bad first act and a really weak third one means I don't blame them I guess.
I mean I don't think that's even controversial, Tomino wanted to use it to tell the Char's Counterattack story but then found out he could make that movie he wanted and that's where the bleh third act comes from. Because he took out all that stuff and left in a skeleton version with Glemy whathis blonde boring face.I'm surprised that you think this is controversial or are taken aback that gasp! someone didn't like the least liked Gundam series from UC.
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@Bigivel,
so you want to go round and round about why they shouldn't send kid to risky mission and i have to say again and again we shouldn't treat them as normal kids and under circumstances their mission was justified and they accepted that…..basically you didn't like the story....but i am find with those parts....
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@Monkey:
I'm surprised that you think this is controversial or are taken aback that gasp! someone didn't like the least liked Gundam series from UC.
I'm not surprised, I'm honestly pretty ignorant about the Gundam fan community's opinion on most of the gundam series.
I'm trying to watch all of them first so I don't get my opinion's corrupted.
I've never completed ZZ (hence why I was excited, then I saw your comment :( )
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The Naruto world is impossible to take seriously after the Chuunin Exam
a) The whole notion of the Chuunin Exam is way too over the top. I get the idea that you can only test shinobi skills in an atmosphere of real danger, but the way it
s set up its killing half of their valuable soldier assets before they can mature enough to effectively hold their own. And all this for mid rank at that.
b) If there are tons of chuunin, then how does it make sense that only under a dozen make it every year
c) You are SENDING YOUR CHILDREN TO THE FOREST OF DEATH. What the fuck.
d) I like how its supposed to be sort of an inter-country goodwill exercise and yet the participating genin think nothing of each other and use underhanded tactics to kill each other with no repercussions or remorse e) The Sound Village was allowed to participate for some reason? If they didnt realize they were headed by Orochimaru, then not only is their ninja intelligence pretty shit, but why are they letting in a country they dont know anything about? Thatd be like letting North Korea into the Security Council (Also why is it called the Sound Village and what does sound have to do with Orochimaru? How can a village be hidden by sound, wouldnt that make it all the more detectable?) f) So what happens to the Chuunin Exam now that two participating countries went to war with each other–during the Exam at that? I guess theres no diplomatic tension between Suna and Konoha before but still, that`s got to be a confidence shaker. Except in this crazy fairy tale fantasy land where five countries with no reason to trust each other can be unified into a cohesive fighting force by a single speech, I guess -
Competenet World Building would have given us some scene with Kakashi and some other Jounin talking about the Sound Village. Maybe establishing their geographic logic for instance?
How did Orochimaru just up and start a ninja village out of nowhere, because there had to be a village right? You can't just lie about a village, other countries will at least be able to know where your village is. So Kishi should have had some sort of backstory set up like Orochimaru took control of some feudal lord Jafar style and had the guy become his patron lord, or maybe the guy actually wanted a ninja village and is some sort of idiot or asshole.
So what kind of people live in this village? Does Oro run the ninja village? How does he run it. It looked like he picked up Dosu and the other two off the street so maybe Sound was really poor, might explain how Oro got the real estate suddenly without anyone else wanting it. But we never ever see a Sound village or any Sound country at all, we just hear about crossing the border, and see some random Orochimaru facilities that just seem like empty hidden pagodas in random areas of nature.
And if there was a Sound village Oro would have had to build a ton of fake intel to both make it credible AND un-suspicious. Like a fake ruler of the village, and other stuff. All to not let Leaf know it was his personal little fiefdom.And further problems, after they do know….nothing ever comes from that. There's no political crisis between the two villages, in fact Orochimaru should never have stayed in such a place at all. The point was a cover right? After that it just becomes an obvious target, he abandoned it right? Well wouldn't a ninja village fake or no create some big mess? Even if fake the Sound Country would have been in crisis with Leaf and Sand breathing down their neck about where Oro went.
If it was real, Oro would have left behind a ton of people, and we could have gotten scenes of Leaf and Sand agents standing around the Sound village, with clueless poverty stricken people living in hovels. And Gai or someone could say something like "that Orochimaru would use any amount of people to accomplish any end". Or something.Doflamingo's personal feifdom has already gotten more world building in one volume than anything about Sound within the entirity of Naruto.
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a) The whole notion of the Chuunin Exam is way too over the top. I get the idea that you can only test shinobi skills in an atmosphere of real danger, but the way it
s set up its killing half of their valuable soldier assets before they can mature enough to effectively hold their own. And all this for mid rank at that.See, even I don't buy this logic. You don't need to subject soldiers to life-threatening situations to test their skills (pretty sure they don't do that in the U.S. military). Honestly, I'm just sick to death of that trope in general.
Hey, remember the Kobayashi Maru from Star Trek? That's a great and memorable way of testing a soldier's skill/character without putting them in danger.
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I don't buy that logic either.
I just find it easier to think of the chunin exams as a ripoff of the Hunter Exams. It was established early on that it's easy to die in the Hunter Exams. I find it more logical that the trait carried over when Kishi copied the format rather than there being any in-universe logical explanation for all those deaths.
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Ya know, this one thing Kubo said in an interview has been bugging me for a while. I paraphrase, but he was essentially asked "have any of the Vice Captains moved up to Captain rank since the timeskip?" and Kubo basically said "No. When you compare the Captains to the Vice Captains, the former have a different aura, don't you think?"
What I think is wrong with that is…it paints the Vice Captains and Captains as static. It's basically saying that even if the Vice Captains achieve Bankai (which some of them have), they won't be fit for captain rank because they were never designed to be captains. And thinking about it, this seems to be the case almost throughout the whole of Bleach. Kenpachi was the same in the past as he is now. Mayuri is the same in the past as he is now. Hiyori, Shinji, and the rest of the Visoreds are exactly the same 100 years later. Orihime never Changes, Aizen never changes, Ichigo never changes, no one ever changes! Even the characters who have changed somewhat (Chad, Uryu, Ginjou, Renji) either only recieved negligible growth before stunting entirely, or were fully developed before the series even started.
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The Naruto world is impossible to take seriously after the Chuunin Exam
a) The whole notion of the Chuunin Exam is way too over the top. I get the idea that you can only test shinobi skills in an atmosphere of real danger, but the way it
s set up its killing half of their valuable soldier assets before they can mature enough to effectively hold their own. And all this for mid rank at that.
b) If there are tons of chuunin, then how does it make sense that only under a dozen make it every year
c) You are SENDING YOUR CHILDREN TO THE FOREST OF DEATH. What the fuck.
d) I like how its supposed to be sort of an inter-country goodwill exercise and yet the participating genin think nothing of each other and use underhanded tactics to kill each other with no repercussions or remorse e) The Sound Village was allowed to participate for some reason? If they didnt realize they were headed by Orochimaru, then not only is their ninja intelligence pretty shit, but why are they letting in a country they dont know anything about? Thatd be like letting North Korea into the Security Council (Also why is it called the Sound Village and what does sound have to do with Orochimaru? How can a village be hidden by sound, wouldnt that make it all the more detectable?) f) So what happens to the Chuunin Exam now that two participating countries went to war with each other–during the Exam at that? I guess theres no diplomatic tension between Suna and Konoha before but still, that`s got to be a confidence shaker. Except in this crazy fairy tale fantasy land where five countries with no reason to trust each other can be unified into a cohesive fighting force by a single speech, I guessIf there are favourable conditions for a military alliance, it will happen. The old grudges and past wars became unimportant to the leadership compared to taking out a certain lunatic and his organisation and allies.
@Monkey:
Competenet World Building would have given us some scene with Kakashi and some other Jounin talking about the Sound Village. Maybe establishing their geographic logic for instance?
How did Orochimaru just up and start a ninja village out of nowhere, because there had to be a village right? You can't just lie about a village, other countries will at least be able to know where your village is. So Kishi should have had some sort of backstory set up like Orochimaru took control of some feudal lord Jafar style and had the guy become his patron lord, or maybe the guy actually wanted a ninja village and is some sort of idiot or asshole.
So what kind of people live in this village? Does Oro run the ninja village? How does he run it. It looked like he picked up Dosu and the other two off the street so maybe Sound was really poor, might explain how Oro got the real estate suddenly without anyone else wanting it. But we never ever see a Sound village or any Sound country at all, we just hear about crossing the border, and see some random Orochimaru facilities that just seem like empty hidden pagodas in random areas of nature.
And if there was a Sound village Oro would have had to build a ton of fake intel to both make it credible AND un-suspicious. Like a fake ruler of the village, and other stuff. All to not let Leaf know it was his personal little fiefdom.And further problems, after they do know….nothing ever comes from that. There's no political crisis between the two villages, in fact Orochimaru should never have stayed in such a place at all. The point was a cover right? After that it just becomes an obvious target, he abandoned it right? Well wouldn't a ninja village fake or no create some big mess? Even if fake the Sound Country would have been in crisis with Leaf and Sand breathing down their neck about where Oro went.
If it was real, Oro would have left behind a ton of people, and we could have gotten scenes of Leaf and Sand agents standing around the Sound village, with clueless poverty stricken people living in hovels. And Gai or someone could say something like "that Orochimaru would use any amount of people to accomplish any end". Or something.Doflamingo's personal feifdom has already gotten more world building in one volume than anything about Sound within the entirity of Naruto.
I like how the other two lose their names for losing in the prelims lol
I don't really disagree with your rant except that it goes down one very linear line of thinking. There doesn't really need to be an actual village, just a bunch of Orochimaru's secret bases where people can be trained and stuff. Also, the comparison is kind of dumb, because Dressrosa is actually the setting for that arc, whereas the Sound in itself was not really relevant, it was just an arm of Orochimaru's power.
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@Holy:
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Gundam ZZ:
Where a man who suvived the worst of Gryps Conflict dies finding out that an umbrella doesn't make for a good parachute.
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