You're reading comprehension is so bad, pls stop.
Monkey D. Destiny
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RE: The "Shueisha" Thread
Ummmm Is this a fucking joke or something ? All you list was some random shit instead of ACTUALLY USING THE SHOW TO PROVE YOUR POINT YOU KNOW THE THING WE ARE DISCUSSING HERE ? I know i didn't umm because guess what ? I don't really care about the show in the slightest . You are the one who replied to me defending this godawful show and even stating your opinion / interpretation of the show as FACTUAL ???!? Without even providing an example ?! And even saying that i didn't provide anything despite i was the same as you ?! Lol get your head outta your ignorant ass .
The world isn't flat just because you think it is . 1 + 1 = 2 whether you believe it or not . Just like that there are good and bad fictional series and good series are good and bad series are bad .
I will not waste my time telling you what happened in the show just to prove you wrong, I gave you a general outline of how the show develops and fleshes out it's characters, that's the part what I claimed to be factual, that the characters have depth and personality (in response to your initial claim), if you didn't remember or haven't watched the anime then too bad.
Yeah, keep believing in the nonsense that true objectivity quality exists in art, it doesn't.
! Saying it's one of the best is subjective, saying it's good is subjective and saying it's bad is subjective. The only objective things are the summary, the information about the characters, the cost of productions, the attributes of the characters and other factual things relating to the show.
! ob·jec·tive (b-jktv)
1. Of or having to do with a material object.
2. Having actual existence or reality.
a. Uninfluenced by emotions or personal prejudices
b. Based on observable phenomena; presented factually: an objective appraisal.
! Objectivity is a central philosophical concept, related to reality and truth, which has been variously defined by sources. Generally, objectivity means the state or quality of being true even outside of a subject's individual biases, interpretations, feelings, and imaginings. A proposition is generally considered objectively true (to have objective truth) when its truth conditions are met and are "mind-independent"—that is, existing freely or independently from a mind (from the thoughts, feelings, ideas, etc. of a sentient subject).
! And I doubt you will read the following but it might make you understand more
! A) Objective writing
B) Objective animation
C) Not everything is subjective
! let's debunk one at a time, but first establish what objective means or people will get confused.
! Objective means "inherent of the Object".
! Let's take an object: Water.
! Water above 0°C on normal pressure is liquid. It's the inherent property of water.
Water below 0°C on normal pressure is solid. Everyone can test this, just pick up a piece of ice, it is solid.
Water above 100°C is gas. People everywhere can test these things. There are no interpretations or opinions needed on this.
! These are inherent objective properties of water.
! Subjective means what a Subject (aka a MIND) interprets into these objective facts.
! "Ice water is good because you can ice skate on it" Is an subjective interpretation of an objective fact.
Yes it is objectivity right that you can ice skate on solid water. but whether that is a good or bad thing is subjective, a mind created the value, or the subjective property of "goodness" for the solid water.
! Values are by definition subjective. So whatever purpose you see in an objective is always a subjective interpretation.
! The only way you can make values objective is within a framework, with a predefined purpose.
! Poison is by definition just poisonous, neither good or bad.
! Drinking poison therefore has no objective meaning. It will simply kill you. That is an objective fact.
! A person who wants to live (subjective framework = staying alive) is doing a mistake by drinking deadly poison.
Hence, poison is bad.
! A person who wants to die (subjective framework = being dead) is doing the right thing by drinking deadly poison.
Hence, poison is good.
! Let's apply this method to reviewing.
! "Objective" good writing.
! It is true that humanity came up with ways to tell a story and that our brain reacts to certain stimuli better than to others. But let's not forget every brain (mind) is different and has different values.
We already see the framework.
Humans are by definition subjective when they judge. Depending on your culture, upbringing, education and personal experiences your value will be different to that of another person.
That means there must be a form of writing that applies to all brains equally, like we can all identify liquid water and solid water.
! But that's not the case because the writing of a story is not objective. There are parts of it that are objective, but whether our subjective brains are stimulated by them or not can not be guarantied.
! However long humanity defined the way they tell stories, in the end it is just as subjective as taste in music, or art.
! Only under a framework we can talk about objectivity.
A Hentai without sex is clearly a bad hentai because it defies it's own definition (framework).
! A show that aims to have no fanservice and yet offers plenty of nipple scenes and boobgrabs fails and thus defied it's own framework and hence is objectively bad.
Yet fanservice in it self is neither good or bad.
! So are stories.
A) has plotholes
B) offers no clear ending
C) is slow
! These are all objective facts, but how you interpret them is dependent not only on the given framework, but also on your values.
Since all these frameworks are equally valid because no one can prove their objective purpose it's a matter of personal taste what you like and what not.
! Objective Animation Quality
! One might question if not animation can be stated in facts.
No it cannot, for the same reason. There is always a subjective framework.
We might see mistakes, or see how one show makes it more fluid, or more correct. But those things are all based on the assumption that there is an objective purpose.
! Yes under that framework animation quality can be good or bad, and we all use it. But since we gain new information every time, our standards change.
A kid who only watched pokemon might think this is totally fine, while someone who watched GitS thinks it's the worst shit ever (in animation).
! Our minds are by definition subjective, thus whatever we judge is only as valid as the information we had at that given time. It is limited and not complete, it relies on preconceived notions on how things ought to be. All artificial rules created by humanity.
! If reviews are objective then the purpose of Mountains is to climb them, because that's what people do.
! Just because fact A is true (you can climb mountains) you cannot say "therefor B is the right thing" (mountains are for climbing).
! You cannot derive an IS from an OUGHT.
! How anime is supposed to be is based on the individual giving the framework in which the medium is judged.
Every human being has a different framework thus, every judgement is inherently different => subjective.
Things are just.
We give them value based on our subjective minds that seek meaning.
! Things that come from a mind are subjective, because a SUBJECT is projecting them onto objects.
Like Values, Meaning, Purpose and Morals
I'm done arguing, you already lost this debate, your initial arguments and claims were wrong, period.
RE: The "Shueisha" Thread
1. Obviously the "baby face" character designs weren't created to appeal to otakus and are really unique and creative and certainly don't feel exploitative in any way…......................
2. The cast of Love Live are some of the worst one-note characters in recent memory and that's saying a lot considering just how many garbage characters are in animes nowadays . They are cardbox cutouts of every stereotypical cute girl and idol show . You are the first Love Live fan i have seen that actually tries to make these characters look like an actual character and not cheap run-of-the-mill "cute" girl like they are . You like them and care ? Cool but please don't act like they are worth any damn .
.............................. Yea and so? I mean is this your first time watching a "simple" slice of life series and are somehow trying to justify it? Because i know a shit load of slice of life series that are simple but way more memorable than Love Live such as Space brothers , Barakamon , 3 Gatsu no Lion , Honey and Clover , My Girl , Aria , Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou etc...... just to name a few . And guess what ? These series don't have to exploit loli designs , aren't trying to appeal to otakus , have memorable and interesting characters and most of all THEY ALL HAVE A HEART AND SOUL something that Love Live is greatly missing .
And people can like shitty series for all i care but it's annoying when people try to sell that as something objectively good when it really isn't like how you are doing right now .
You are so fucking narrow-minded, you refuted absolutely nothing of which I have posted and just repeated the same bullshit you said last time without even trying to back it up. But I'll bother to respond to you a second time and see if you are capable of thinking rationally.
"1. Obviously the "baby face" character designs weren't created to appeal to otakus and are really unique and creative and certainly don't feel exploitative in any way"
Ok, first off all, I didn't even start this shit about the art style (you started by saying that they were lolis, all I did what prove you wrong). I''l give you that the characters design are generic and made in order to "appeal to otakus" (Because fuck, otakus are the scum of the earth and anything made to appeal them is inherently bad because…), so fucking what? This series is about teenange idols, last time I checked, looking cute is a desirable quality for an idol, I don't how why it's bad in this case.
2. "The cast of Love Live are some of the worst one-note characters in recent memory and that's saying a lot considering just how many garbage characters are in animes nowadays . They are cardbox cutouts of every stereotypical cute girl and idol show . You are the first Love Live fan i have seen that actually tries to make these characters look like an actual character and not cheap run-of-the-mill "cute" girl like they are . You like them and care ? Cool but please don't act like they are worth any damn ."
So you decide to completely ignore all the descriptive and factual points I made that explain why these characters are not one-dimensional and decided to make bold claims like "some of the worst one-note characters in recent memory" "cardbox cutouts of every stereotypical cute girl and idol show" even though you gave no explanation, comparisons or examples for your claims, you didn't even watch the show did you? I'll admit that the characters are based on archetypes that have been done before, but me personally, I value execution over originality, and the execution in Love Live's case was satisfactory, not amazing, not the most well-written, just satisfactory enough for the type of show that it tries to be, by having characters with likable personalities, relatable goals, emotional moments, growth, struggling like everyone does.
3. I have watched and read a few of those, yes, it doesn't matter because those series have different goals and appeals than love live. I believe in judging a series in how well it can stand on it's own, not how it compares to others. BTW some of those mangas, try other teenage idol anime for comparison since they fit better in this case
"These series don't have to exploit loli designs" LL designs aren't loli and even if it were there is nothing inherently bad about that.
"aren't trying to appeal to otakus"-Appealing to otakus isn't something inherently bad and it also has other things going for it.
"have memorable and interesting characters"-So does LL in my opinion, and?
"and most of all THEY ALL HAVE A HEART AND SOUL something that Love Live is greatly missing".-You can't fucking support that!
"And people can like shitty series for all i care but it's annoying when people try to sell that as something objectively good when it really isn't like how you are doing right no"
I'm not trying to prove that something I like is "objectively good", I'm trying to disprove an unfactual claim about a show I like by pointing out how the show proves it's not as bad as some people think it is. That is all.
Alright, I'm cooling down now. Next time, try to argue in a way that I can see that you did in fact see this show and the ones you are comparing this to, present your arguments in a respectable and informed manner .Just remember that just because it doesn't fit your personal criteria to be worthwhile, doesn't give you the right to call something garbage.
RE: The "Shueisha" Thread
By that you mean shitty loli characters created for solely appealing to otakus without much depth or personality or anything to really give a shit about them ? Maybe i am just supposed to turn off my brain and just watch these dumb loli characters look cute and pretty because fuck interesting stories , characters or anything in between .
Wow, you sure are ignorant as fuck, first off all, the characters from Love Live aren't lolis, they are just teenage teenage girls drawn in a cutesy-style, A loli comes from the word lolicon and refers to the portrayal of prepubescent or infantile females in a sexualized manner, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolicon. None of this can apply to the LL cast, the show itself has little to no fan-service at all.
Second, the characters are definitely not without depth or personality, they each have colorful quirks and personalities with strengths and flaws that make each of them distinct from one other, through the 2 seasons almost all of them get entire episodes dedicated to them where they get fleshed out, given their own reasons towards their goal of becoming idols, and show the struggles they get in order to achieve their dreams.
Third, what makes an interesting story or character is entirely subjective to the individual, LL is a simple story about young girls who want to achieve a simple but inspirational goal and the struggles they go trough to achieve them, along with tons of music and well-drawn dance sequences as another incentive to watch it. And a lot of people I know off do in fact find this to be interesting and worth the watch. Just because it doesn't have super soldiers crawling though shit to fight his evil clone and save the world or rubber pirates punching string pirates doesn't make it bad or boring.
I watched most of season 1 and didn't like it, tbh I just wanted to fling some shit
Oh, I found season 1 to decent, season 2 is a lot better, shame you didn't get into it. At least you gave it a chance.
RE: The "Shueisha" Thread
Love Live sounds like a dumb show to me, so I'll have to side with One Piece fans on this one.
Love Live is shit so who cares
Love Live is fucking garbage but it's amazing just how offended Love Live fanbase can get if someone isn't praising the show .
Umm, did you guys even know what the show is like? I watched both seasons, it's a well-made idol series with likable characters and catchy music, definitely not "dumb", "shit" or "garbage", these comments are stupid but you shouldn't think all the fans are like that.
RE: What manga are you reading and how do you like it? What do you plan to read?
I have been reading Medaka Box and I just read the chapter where
! Kumagawa appears, hopefully this manga becomes more interesting with him around.
RE: Chapter 791: "Rubble"
Why is Rebecca always set up to fail you ask?
I know why. It's because…she has...
! PINK HAIR
Don't believe me? YOU FOOL. Let me show you…
! Remember that one kid from the start of the series? The annoying little shit that kept failing but alas somehow got made into a man after getting punched by Garp a few (or hundred) times. Coby. What colour…is his hair?
Remember that one marine woman from the Arlong Park arc? Mother of two? Bellmere? She was so poor she couldn't afford cute clothes for her two daughters. That's not the end of it…she managed to get shot and die in a manga where you can survive a bomb designed to wipe out an entire city detonating 2 meters away from you. What colour was her hair?
Remember that other marine woman that smokes cigarettes and flirts with Smoker? The one who got outwitted by Luffy and Mister 2? Yeah, Hina. What possible colour could her hair be...
Remember that one guy from CP9 who couldn't even kill himself when he wanted to? Kumadori. Think back...what colour was his hair?
Remember Perona, that girl who had an undead pet bear? She also has this TOTALLY BROKEN devil fruit power which makes people want to become sea cucumbers. She still lost to Usopp 1v1, LOL. (NO, that's not a testament to Usopp's greatness, that's a testament to Perona's FAILURE). Her hair colour? Rhymes with ink.
Remember Lola, the unconventionally beautiful woman from Thriller Bark? She got denied by every man she ever proposed to. Her hair colour? BINGO.
Remember Bonney, the female supernova that has a passion for eating and ugly hats? The one that can turn someone into a snivelling child or a senile old man? The one who got captured by Blackbeard almost immediatly after entering the New World? And then she got arrested. Her hair colour...it's..pink.
Remember Shirahoshi? No? Neither do I!
! This one's for the anime fans - remember that girl from Bellamy's gang? She had pink hair too. "Woah, but she didn't fail that hard!" - you say. WRONG. She was a part of Bellamy's gang. That's pretty self explanatory.
I rest my case. For now…
The secret behind Sakura's failures is out!
RE: Prison School by Hiramoto Akira
So it's been confirmed that Kamiya Hiroshi (Trafalgar Law, Levi, Koyomi Araragi, Yato, Izaya, etc.) is going be the seiyuu of Kiyoshi for the anime. That's at least one thing it can't go wrong with that has happened. Can't wait for summer anime.