Most has been covered, and maybe I will write more later, but there is one thing that really stands out in OP:
Every character gets love, Oda never seems to forget them…
What makes One Piece good-What Oda has done to make One Piece what it is
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fair point, but the story is only in it's half, or short after, so maybe we just have to wait
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- The pace of the story ( only before enies lobby ).
- The villains ( Arlong, Crocodile, spandam, Aka inu, Enel : they were really despicable. )
- Nami asking for Luffy help at arlong park… Gave me big chills, i wanted to punch Arlong hard.
- W7 ( without Enies Lobby ) did confirm me that eiichiro oda was a monster storywriter.
- Bellamy gettin punched in the face ( best punch in history of media culture period )
- Zoro big badass moments ( watching him standing after kuma big ball... shhhiiii )
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- The pace of the story ( only before enies lobby ).
- The villains ( Arlong, Crocodile, spandam, Aka inu, Enel : they were really despicable. )
- Nami asking for Luffy help at arlong park… Gave me big chills, i wanted to punch Arlong hard.
- W7 ( without Enies Lobby ) did confirm me that eiichiro oda was a monster storywriter.
- Bellamy gettin punched in the face ( best punch in history of media culture period )
- Zoro big badass moments ( watching him standing after kuma big ball... shhhiiii )
thats excactly what a ,comix/manga/story ,needs to be good and legendary thats the emotion i get when i read one piece!
like usops action stories , or luffys imitations of his friends,trying to fulfill their dreams and promises of the past in the one piece world.
and they are good people they dont keep grudges to others and thats a great lesson! and also tells to u to never have regrets about your life
one piece is one haaaaaart one loovee ! oda is true and so are his nakamas that help him do the manga -
This'll be only a small post and not as well structured as the introductory ones but never mind - what I found appealing reading One Piece after the other Big 2 was that the main character, and all characters for that matter, achieve what they do by themselves. There's no inner demon fox/hollow that lends Luffy power when he's at a loss; I always hated that. No, he actually has the strength himself. He trained hard for it. And when it's necessary he delivers the well-deserved 1-hit-KO punch that we've waited for (e.g. Bellamy), no bullshit inner alter ego power ups.
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My biggest problem with a majority of the One Piece fanbase is how much they overrate the manga and the author alike. How they act like the manga is a work of art sent by god. As if flaws don't exist and nothing can be improved upon. As if the art and literary devices would put Leonardo da Vinci and Shakespeare to shame. That Oda was trained by aliens and wrote a manga that nobody can ever succeed or improve upon. This is simply because fans are blinded by their favorite parts of the manga - they adore a single feature, moment, device, character - who knows (it differs for everyone) - and uses that to block any sort of possible flaw they may come across. Speaking of flaws, most of the reasoning here in this thread is flawed. Some of you speak very subjectively while passing off your 2 cents as fact - this simply isn't the way to provide any sort of feedback or criticism.
In all honesty, I can not let these threads go by - they celebrate the successes of the manga without being fair to the other end of the spectrum, the failures, the flaws of the manga. It's simply not fair; not fair to those who haven't read it and not fair to those have and are willing to openly speak about. This thread serves an example of how fans can exaggerate their true opinion of the manga to intentionally and unfairly make others look like dwarves in comparison.
We need a vent thread, this person in a clear example
Did you not read the title? I think you should just calm down bud, people like the manga, so of course they will speak highly about it whether it be with a bias or non bias point of view. However you are right that every manga has its flaws, nothing has been nor will be perfect so whatever.
Look, you can't be mad at Oda for making a wonderful manga, he has talent, if other mangas can't compete with One Piece and aren't as good don't blame Oda, blame the authors and what not. So are you going to go blame Apple for crushing Blackberry and Nokia as well? See what I mean? In life there are both winners and losers.
In relevant terms, I appreciate Oda's work and how he puts 100% feeling into his work and it's able to convey to us. You can truly relate the characters in O.P to real life people in terms of emotions, conflicts etc. May he continue to provide us with great work for the future to come.
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We need a vent thread, this person in a clear example
Did you not read the title?
Did you need see the criticism thread a few threads down? There is a thread just to vent on OP.
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the world is very detailed. the unique special power given to character (usually in other shonen it revolves solely around element, i.e: fairy tail etc) but in op, oda creates such wide point of view of power. i still think that gura gura no mi and kyuu no mi (sp? kuma's power) are creative as hell. the depth of the story. gigantic amount of character. i could go on and on
i think the only shonen mangaka that can fuck with oda on these fronts is yoshihiro togashi (hunter x hunter) only
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the world is very detailed. the unique special power given to character (usually in other shonen it revolves solely around element, i.e: fairy tail etc) but in op, oda creates such wide point of view of power. i still think that gura gura no mi and kyuu no mi (sp? kuma's power) are creative as hell. the depth of the story. gigantic amount of character. i could go on and on
i think the only shonen mangaka that can fuck with oda on these fronts is yoshihiro togashi (hunter x hunter) only
I didn't think about it but the fact that elements themselves are not the power but side effects of the power makes it pretty different but then again Bleach doesn't revolve around elements. As for Togashi, if you are talking about YYH then yes but if you are talking about that over hyped garbage HxH, you're CRAZY.
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My biggest problem with a majority of the One Piece fanbase is how much they overrate the manga and the author alike. How they act like the manga is a work of art sent by god. As if flaws don't exist and nothing can be improved upon. As if the art and literary devices would put Leonardo da Vinci and Shakespeare to shame. That Oda was trained by aliens and wrote a manga that nobody can ever succeed or improve upon. This is simply because fans are blinded by their favorite parts of the manga - they adore a single feature, moment, device, character - who knows (it differs for everyone) - and uses that to block any sort of possible flaw they may come across. Speaking of flaws, most of the reasoning here in this thread is flawed. Some of you speak very subjectively while passing off your 2 cents as fact - this simply isn't the way to provide any sort of feedback or criticism.
In all honesty, I can not let these threads go by - they celebrate the successes of the manga without being fair to the other end of the spectrum, the failures, the flaws of the manga. It's simply not fair; not fair to those who haven't read it and not fair to those have and are willing to openly speak about. This thread serves an example of how fans can exaggerate their true opinion of the manga to intentionally and unfairly make others look like dwarves in comparison.
Frankly there are or were many artist with better technique and more interesting ideas and styles than Leonardo da Vinci and I personally consider Oda one of them. But truth to be told the art-style is so different is hard to even compare. As for Shakespeare he wasn't developing literature for intellectual elite, but popular entertainment, only after his death his works became famous among intellectual elites. Now it's hard to tell how much of the ideas we believe are expressed in his works were put there by him and how much is a matter of later interpretations. And there are controversies if he even written all of those works. Sure Shakespeare's works have much bigger influence on the culture, but they have centuries to create that effect and they were lucky to be regarded as classics, that everybody has to read. Which works would be regarded as classics depends largely on luck or external circumstances and not only on the quality of works themselves.
Question of artistic value of certain piece is relative to some extant. Most people can distinguish really bad art from really good, but among really good artist, especially if they present very different art style is hard to tell who is the greatest. I can't really see what is wrong with regarding Oda as the greatest artist.
Of course the opinions stated by users of this forum are all subjective and reflecting personal views of users. Bare facts are just useless for discussion, they can just be bases for opinions. There exist no such thing as absolute objective value of piece of art - the value the artwork have as a fact, at least not in the world we humans can perceive, although one may argue every artwork has it's innate values, put there by the author, but still author is only one person, so what he sees is just as subjective. However by sharing and discussing various opinions we can bring them from subjective level to inter-subjective level.
The reasoning is sometimes flawed, well I don't think Logic is a part of standard educational program, all of users of this forum had access to. Hover anybody who bothered to learn Logic even a little bit knows, that even if reasoning is flawed, the conclusion may still be true. It only means that reasoning doesn't guarantee it to be true.
Moreover, you are also the person who "passes your 2 cents as a fact". Many fans on this forum are actually quite critical about Oda's writing or at least some aspects of that. And personally I've never meat One Piece fan, who regards just anything that isn't One Piece as worthless shit.
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that over hyped garbage HxH, you're CRAZY.
Ahahah yes. Hunter x Hunter is clearly not on One Piece's level. BUT Togashi is still a very good mangaka, who's ( in my honest opinion ) almost as good as Oda. Hunter x hunter's clearly shit, but damn all the "Get-ps1-to-play-Greed-island-thing" was very good.
For One Piece, I think there's also something about all the suspens that makes manga very good.
A lot of secrets were introduced very early in the manga, and we're still waiting for the clues.
And more important, this secrets/suspens are important to the story…
I don't know if this is a good things or not, since it's been a while since
But all I know is I want to know what devil fruit really are, I want to know what the "D" stand for, I want to know what Doflamingo/Dragon's power are, I want to see Mihawk fight seriousely and I want to see Zoro vs Mihawk more...
And of course I want to know what the One Piece is. And what to know HARD all those things.If I were rich, i'll pay a big bunch to make Oda tell me about all those things. And if he didn't want to talk, I'll pay some guy this big bunch of money in order to kidnape him and make him talk :ninja:
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Most has been covered, and maybe I will write more later, but there is one thing that really stands out in OP:
Every character gets love, Oda never seems to forget them. And most importantly he doesn't introduce them only to get killed in the same chapter. There are many examples to back this up, but the most recent must be Brownbeards appearance. Honestly, who didn't think that he was just a simple fodder pirate who will get crushed by an uprising supernova?
That was over 100 chapters ago. And now the SH's use his transformed body as a fucking bus, because they are "too tired" to walk to the arc's villain.
The Elite Alabastan Royal Guards would beg to differ. :P
But yeah, for the most part it's great that he lets his characters live to fight another day, even if the ways they live sometimes are a bit out there (which I say counts as a flaw, Senor Taco.) Still, he takes advantage of characters from the past and uses them to reward the readers who have followed the story from the start and to incite the newer readers to check out what they've been missing.
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The Elite Alabastan Royal Guards would beg to differ. :P
They weren't named in the manga, only referred to as the royal guards:
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Which I don't really count as official character introduction (tho they were named later in one of the databooks). More like "special fodder"
As for Rockstar, we can't judge there because it is more than likely that we will see him again when Shanks plays his real part in the story. It made sense that he didn't bring him to the war of the best, with a bounty that is so low that he isn't even considered as a Super Nova.
Every other character with a proper introbox get's love, even if it is just a "decks of the world".
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I'm pretty sure Roshio was killed off, and that happened in his introduction chapter.
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I'm pretty sure Roshio was killed off, and that happened in his introduction chapter.
This is just one or three characters. Plus, they're not really important.
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I didn't think about it but the fact that elements themselves are not the power but side effects of the power makes it pretty different but then again Bleach doesn't revolve around elements. As for Togashi, if you are talking about YYH then yes but if you are talking about that over hyped garbage HxH, you're CRAZY.
lol Yu Yu Hakusho over Hunter x Hunter, what are you 5
I'm just rereading hunter x hunter for the third time, it's far more detailed and symbolic at points then even One Piece, the fighting and energy system is the best any series has ever produced, the characters are great, fights are much like JJBA where it's not just physical strength or energy that counts, well devised strategy and an understanding of your opponents are much more important, he knows how to deliver character development (The King)
I'd say in terms of writing a complex detailed story it's better then One Piece, but I like the characters far better in One Piece, but HxH is so well developed and thought out, Yu Yu Hakusho is so much more kiddy in my eyes, good but not nearly as great as people make it out to be, it mostly runs off nostalgia of manga fans, same with dragon ball z
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lol Yu Yu Hakusho over Hunter x Hunter, what are you 5
I'm just rereading hunter x hunter for the third time, it's far more detailed and symbolic at points then even One Piece, the fighting and energy system is the best any series has ever produced, the characters are great, fights are much like JJBA where it's not just physical strength or energy that counts, well devised strategy and an understanding of your opponents are much more important, he knows how to deliver character development (The King)
I'd say in terms of writing a complex detailed story it's better then One Piece, but I like the characters far better in One Piece, but HxH is so well developed and thought out, Yu Yu Hakusho is so much more kiddy in my eyes, good but not nearly as great as people make it out to be, it mostly runs off nostalgia of manga fans, same with dragon ball z
YYH is kiddy? So Elder Toguro killing two birds to make a girl cry is childish? Or Kurama trapping him in eternal torture? Or Sakyo talking about how he killed animals for fun? LOL what are you insane? Elder Toguro and Sensui are some of the best villains in any series I've read. Raizen was amazing, my biggest problem with YYH was Yusuke's revival without a hint of it being a possibility beforehand. HxH was so pointless and random I got bored, and I never get bored of a good manga. I had to force myself to make it through the Chimera Ant arc. Yorknew City was alright but apart from the Zoldyck's I don't find anyone that entertaining. Gon's had his moment too where he somehow has his arms blown off but knows the final card will heal him completely. If by deep you mean pointless with a massive arc based on a villain who comes out of nowhere. Not to mention Gon goes super-mode after a guy who we've seen in like 4 or 5 chapters who Gon knew dies, it wasn't even his dad or mom. Bleh
DBZ definitely runs off nostalgia but I've read YYH twice and watched the anime several times. It's fucking great. I actually WANT to like HxH but I can't. One Piece is hard to compare to YYH because it's already waaay longer and just barely halfway over (maybe). I do feel more of a connection with more One Piece characters, but the thing I like about both series is the villains who aren't you're typical "take over the world" or "god complex" villains. Blackbeard, Akainu, Sensui, Elder Toguro are all different types of villains than Frieza, Aizen, Akatsuki, ect
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If by deep you mean pointless with a massive arc based on a villain who comes out of nowhere.
How on earth was it pointless?Other then then being the direct cause of pretty much everything in the very next arc,it brought tons of character development for both Gon and Killua and had the most impact on the overall world of HxH out of any arc up until that point,by miles.It's about as pointless as Marineford if you ask me-in other words,not really.
Not to mention Gon goes super-mode after a guy who we've seen in like 4 or 5 chapters who Gon knew dies, it wasn't even his dad or mom.
To Gon,Kite was more or less what Shanks is for Luffy.
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but the thing I like about both series is the villains who aren't you're typical "take over the world" or "god complex" villains
…aaaand how exactly do Hisoka,Illumi,Phantom Troupe or even the relatively forgettable Devil Bomber fit into those two?
I guess you could say that about Meryem,but then again he recieved so much development that I couldn't possibly bring myself to call him "typical".
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I think it's Oda's ability to deliver earnest,moving dramatic moments,combined with just how structured and thought out the story and the world are.One Piece's world is geopolitically dynamic.I mean,the chain of events that led to the world-shaking Marineford War...were set in motion with the defeat of Crocodile and developed slowly but steadily behind the lines.
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As far as world building, what sets OP apart from vast majority of shounen manga is, it laid out this vast world ahead of the time, gave us a decent idea of what this world amounts to… and as the series progress, it's filling in the details. The world building process isn't creating outside the boundary of what is provided, but rather, giving relevant context by unmasking the details.
As opposed to, say, Dragon Ball that keeps expanding its universe every time it hits a wall, and Bleach, which seems to be making shit up as it goes. I have to say, Fairy Tail also sometimes seems to fall into the making it up as it goes, IMO. It's not directionless, but seems to lose the sight of it sometimes.
It's all in the narrative.
"The Age of Piracy" "The island only the Pirate King reached" "One Piece" "The Grand Line".
All these concepts that makes the core of the world is presented to us from early on, and it doesn't stagger away from it.
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^Not only that,but all that's already laid out is subject to change.Plus,those processes mostly happen parallel to the crews own adventures and are not necessarily directly caused by them,which deepens the fealing of it being a dynamic,living world.
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YYH is kiddy? So Elder Toguro killing two birds to make a girl cry is childish? Or Kurama trapping him in eternal torture? Or Sakyo talking about how he killed animals for fun? LOL what are you insane? Elder Toguro and Sensui are some of the best villains in any series I've read. Raizen was amazing, my biggest problem with YYH was Yusuke's revival without a hint of it being a possibility beforehand. HxH was so pointless and random I got bored, and I never get bored of a good manga. I had to force myself to make it through the Chimera Ant arc. Yorknew City was alright but apart from the Zoldyck's I don't find anyone that entertaining. Gon's had his moment too where he somehow has his arms blown off but knows the final card will heal him completely. If by deep you mean pointless with a massive arc based on a villain who comes out of nowhere. Not to mention Gon goes super-mode after a guy who we've seen in like 4 or 5 chapters who Gon knew dies, it wasn't even his dad or mom. Bleh
DBZ definitely runs off nostalgia but I've read YYH twice and watched the anime several times. It's fucking great. I actually WANT to like HxH but I can't. One Piece is hard to compare to YYH because it's already waaay longer and just barely halfway over (maybe). I do feel more of a connection with more One Piece characters, but the thing I like about both series is the villains who aren't you're typical "take over the world" or "god complex" villains. Blackbeard, Akainu, Sensui, Elder Toguro are all different types of villains than Frieza, Aizen, Akatsuki, ect
hiei got his arm cut off and shigure got his head cut off….plus shinsui discovering the black tape of humans raping demons...that's not kiddy...
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Yu Yu Hakusho is so much more kiddy in my eyes
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I'm not going to even respond to captain Kid's remarks on hunter x hunter there like that of a twelve year old… no never mind even my twelve year old cousin can see the significance of the chemeira ant arc and not just see the violence part of it (You might as well say the Marinford arc had no point and caused nothing afterwards) and not how it sets the series up, and develops the characters skills and personality'sThen Yu Yu Hakusho being kiddy. I didn't mean it was over the top kiddy, but it had more kidish parts then Hunter x Hunter did, the last three arcs were really the only ones that weren't childish,.... how about these parts (I won't even touch the first arc)
This Chapter and the one after it
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/yu_yu_hakusho/v03/c006/What the hell was this last pannel
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/yu_yu_hakusho/v03/c009/18.htmlThe entire Demon city arc
with major points being
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/yu_yu_hakusho/v05/c001/23.htmlhttp://www.mangahere.com/manga/yu_yu_hakusho/v05/c002/16.html
power of love wins the fight: http://www.mangahere.com/manga/yu_yu_hakusho/v05/c008/12.html
Except for two villains in the series, Sensui and Elder Toguro, all the villains sucked, they were to evil just to be evil, but those two are the only ones anyone ever seems to remember or even name
Don't get me wrong I like Yu Yu Hakusho, I just don't think it's nearly as good as Hunter X Hunter (in terms of plot, goals, fighting, world building) but it's main characters are where it shines
I don't see how you couldn't like Hisoka, The spiders, The bomber trio, or the King who had great character development
and lol "I've never not liked a good manga, so obviously If I don't like it it can't be a good manga"….. retarded statement
and it's stupid that you say hunter x hunter has no drive or point everything been linked.... Yu Yu Hakusho, the one your defending is the one that always has a new villain come out of nowhere
PM me if you want to continue this argument cause it shouldn't be here
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As opposed to, say, Dragon Ball that keeps expanding its universe every time it hits a wall, and Bleach, which seems to be making shit up as it goes. I have to say, Fairy Tail also sometimes seems to fall into the making it up as it goes, IMO. It's not directionless, but seems to lose the sight of it sometimes.
Dragon ball is the same, Toriyama always made shit up as he went along. He's like Kubo in terms of his approach to writing manga, though I argue Kubo at least for the for the earlier volumes to the very end of the Soul Society arc of Bleach had more of set plan then Toriyama ever did. with Dragonball.
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Dragon ball is the same, Toriyama always made shit up as he went along. He's like Kubo in terms of his approach to writing manga, though I argue Kubo at least for the for the earlier volumes to the very end of the Soul Society arc of Bleach had more of set plan then Toriyama ever did. with Dragonball.
but DB never really trying to deep or more than what it is.. DB is always a simple and fun story for kids..
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I'm not going to even respond to captain Kid's remarks on hunter x hunter there like that of a twelve year old… no never mind even my twelve year old cousin can see the significance of the chemeira ant arc and not just see the violence part of it (You might as well say the Marinford arc had no point and caused nothing afterwards) and not how it sets the series up, and develops the characters skills and personality'sThen Yu Yu Hakusho being kiddy. I didn't mean it was over the top kiddy, but it had more kidish parts then Hunter x Hunter did, the last three arcs were really the only ones that weren't childish,.... how about these parts (I won't even touch the first arc)
This Chapter and the one after it
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/yu_yu_hakusho/v03/c006/What the hell was this last pannel
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/yu_yu_hakusho/v03/c009/18.htmlThe entire Demon city arc
with major points being
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/yu_yu_hakusho/v05/c001/23.htmlhttp://www.mangahere.com/manga/yu_yu_hakusho/v05/c002/16.html
power of love wins the fight: http://www.mangahere.com/manga/yu_yu_hakusho/v05/c008/12.html
Except for two villains in the series, Sensui and Elder Toguro, all the villains sucked, they were to evil just to be evil, but those two are the only ones anyone ever seems to remember or even name
Don't get me wrong I like Yu Yu Hakusho, I just don't think it's nearly as good as Hunter X Hunter (in terms of plot, goals, fighting, world building) but it's main characters are where it shines
I don't see how you couldn't like Hisoka, The spiders, The bomber trio, or the King who had great character development
and lol "I've never not liked a good manga, so obviously If I don't like it it can't be a good manga"….. retarded statement
and it's stupid that you say hunter x hunter has no drive or point everything been linked.... Yu Yu Hakusho, the one your defending is the one that always has a new villain come out of nowhere
PM me if you want to continue this argument cause it shouldn't be here
[/HIDE]I don't feel like continuing the argument but I still stand by what I said HxH lacks (1) good plot (2) good background for characters like Roshio(?) (3) failed background for arcs in general [Yorknew City was pretty good but HxH falls far short of what Togashi could have done with the series]. As for my statement "I've never not liked a good manga, so obviously If I don't like it it can't be a good manga", it wasn't retarded the point was I like any manga with a minimally put together plot and background, so the fact that it can't impress me is kind of sad. Even Berserk, I thought was good but not into the whole massive gore/sex stuff for my manga reading so that's why I dropped it.
To bring it back to the topic, what One Piece has is pretty much what Aohige said keeping everything centered on the goal and not deviating from that (except the Davy Back Arc). The fact that Oda can keep the reader involved in NINE main characters and give them growth is incredible. The foreshadowing of events/fights and mirroring of concepts and characters Oda does is amazing which part of why I'm a Kid fan boy. The contrast of Luffy/Kid [2 highest bounty SuperNovas, only 2 SN with other SN in their crew, respected by their powerful 1st mates, Luffy & Bellamy vs Kid & whoever made fun of his dreams, serious vs silly], Luffy/Blackbeard, Luffy/Shanks, Luffy/Roger, Ace/Roger, Akainu/Sengoku, ect is detailed and FANTASTIC. I could ramble on forever but I won't.
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What always appealed to me about One Piece was the sheer scale at which the world grows and expands (and continues to do so). At the start of the series you're told how crazy the Grand Line is, but at certain points in the story the world just seems to snowball. I could compare it to The Lord of the Rings where Frodo begins an earnest journey through the Shire, which gradually morphs into the ultimate battle for good and evil through all walks of life. To that end, I'm reminded of how Luffy leaves East Blue in a Barrel and over time becomes a wild card in a war between between massive world powers.
It's telling that Oda originally planned One Piece to only last 5 years or so, as Tolkien once said "the tale grew in the telling".
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Oda's clear propensity to cause huge forum debates is something that makes it good, and something I bet he does on purpose…
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We need a "What if Tite Kubo wrote One Piece" thread
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We need a "What if Tite Kubo wrote One Piece" thread
GO to the naruto/bleach thread in the other manga anime forum. People having been talking about exactly that in that thread today
And just realized you already have
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Expanding on what I said earlier, other titles that focus on the same things I mentioned usually ends up being praised as materpieces as well.
FullMetal Alchemist? Had a single, solid theme from start to the end, much like One Piece.
And while not shounen, Lucifer and the Biscuit Hammer is a seinen manga in the vein of traditional shounen manga, and executed in the same way.
Like the other two, its presented premise was the core of the story throughout its run.Fictional works with a clear vision of its theme from the start to the end is satisfying.
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I think a lot of what needs to be said about this manga with a continual appeal has already been written but something I would like to stress is that character growth feels organic.
Thinking about this earlier today, the way Luffy/Zoro/Usopp have achieved growth is clear to see through the manga. That and a lack of hax-style powers helps their cause.
Yes I'm aware that it's comic fiction but it took at least 60 volumes before Luffy could galvanise his attacks. I like that and the growth I've seen to the characters attacks right up until Punk Hazard. I'll enjoy the growth I'll see right up until the end of the series as well.
Compared with Bleach for example where Ichigo seems to access his 'secret power' in times of desperation, I think that's what One Piece brings to me as its reader. An organic feel.
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That there is no romance among the crew. (And very little in the story). Even though shipping can be fun, I think having romance among the crew would really degrade the story. Could you imagine if Luffy spent the entire manga trying to woo Nami, Nami only joined because she thought Zoro was hot and wanted to get into his pants, Usopp had a secret crush on Nami and would blush anytime she was present, Nico Robin had a secret husband lost out in the world who she pines for the entire series and her dream was ultimately to find him, or any other combination of the characters. Yeah, Sanji falls in live with any girl he sees, but that's more of a gag. Usopp and Kaya are canon but she isn't on board the ship. I like that the straw hats are friends first. Nami and Robin have dreams other than getting married and we don't have annoying love triangles popping up all over the place. We also don't have characters devoting their entire lives to another character.
I liked Hancock, but I'm glad that she didn't join the straw hats. I think having a character in love with Luffy as a main character would get very annoying. I wouldn't mind if they got together in a flash forward at the end of the series though.
I also like that characters do not become useless after several arcs. In DBZ, once Goku and every othera saiyan could go super saiyan, the human characters became pointless. In One Piece, even the weakling trio get their moments and are not at all useless.
When a character is smart, Oda shows and not tells. I get annoyed when watching an anime when a characters who is supposed to be smart simply just states the obvious. ("It seems like she is hurt.")
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Oh, I more-or-less agree about the size of the crew affecting things. Back when it was only up to Robin, there was a really good dynamic going on. Seven main characters is usually a really good number to settle on in fantasy stories. But then a couple more crew members joined, and there's usually a bunch of allies interacting with the crew as well, which really bogs that dynamic. Makes me worried about what it will be like if a couple more characters join.
I'm alright with there being a focus on the big players. However, we get a bunch of characters introduced alongside any villain's (re)introduction - Hody's crew, Big Mom's crew, Doflamingo's crew. Plus like a million other characters from other groups. Sometimes it feels like characters are just thrown in there for the sake of being thrown in there. A lot of FI characters didn't even really do much, maybe one or two relevant things. And yeah, Sabaody was pretty much a preview of some characters. The Supernovas didn't really need to be there, but it built a lot of hype, but there's been so many hyped characters that I don't hype anymore.
I notice that more people are willing to speak about the lesser aspects of the series as of late. The fanboyism can be quite strong - especially on this message board since it is a message board about One Piece. On other sites I go to, you won't be lynched for admitting One Piece has seriously gone downhill after the timeskip and isn't getting much better, and you can say Sanji sucks now and people will completely agree instead of getting pissy. I've been tempted to make a thread about questioning the series' current quality, cause I could type many pages on that. It'd prolly be locked tho and idgaf enough. I just wish fanboys would stop being fanboys. I didn't think this was a thread to post about this in, but then again this thread just gives more opportunity for people to act like One Piece is god's gift to us, and that just ain't right. There's already plenty of threads to praise the series in.
That's a perfect example of how some people think, and some think otherwise. For me, one piece is alot better since the timeskip, I like the larger scale that the story is taking, I like that every islands and every ennemies are gonna be alot more dangerous and epic, I like that we're getting closer from the big fishes, involved with the yonkos, shanks, etc etc. Thing is, this thread is about what you like in one piece, and it was really fun to read before you(thats for taco, not felres) came and ruined it.. You have the right to express your opinion, but i think it wasnt really the place to do it, and it just seems like you came in here to ''ruin the party''
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Whats the point of this Thread? All the threads talk about how good is One Piece….
whats the point of your post in it?
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wait dude, just wait.
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That's a perfect example of how some people think, and some think otherwise. For me, one piece is alot better since the timeskip, I like the larger scale that the story is taking, I like that every islands and every ennemies are gonna be alot more dangerous and epic, I like that we're getting closer from the big fishes, involved with the yonkos, shanks, etc etc. Thing is, this thread is about what you like in one piece, and it was really fun to read before you(thats for taco, not felres) came and ruined it.. You have the right to express your opinion, but i think it wasnt really the place to do it, and it just seems like you came in here to ''ruin the party''
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whats the point of your post in it?
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wait dude, just wait.
The point is to show how stupid people can be. And now all the old threads will REVIVE because theres no One Piece and people is bored.
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The point is to show how stupid people can be. And now all the old threads will REVIVE because theres no One Piece and people is bored.
Only take a couple of days of ban hammers to solve that issue.
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That there is no romance among the crew. (And very little in the story). Even though shipping can be fun, I think having romance among the crew would really degrade the story. Could you imagine if Luffy spent the entire manga trying to woo Nami, Nami only joined because she thought Zoro was hot and wanted to get into his pants, Usopp had a secret crush on Nami and would blush anytime she was present, Nico Robin had a secret husband lost out in the world who she pines for the entire series and her dream was ultimately to find him, or any other combination of the characters. Yeah, Sanji falls in live with any girl he sees, but that's more of a gag. Usopp and Kaya are canon but she isn't on board the ship. I like that the straw hats are friends first. Nami and Robin have dreams other than getting married and we don't have annoying love triangles popping up all over the place. We also don't have characters devoting their entire lives to another character.
I liked Hancock, but I'm glad that she didn't join the straw hats. I think having a character in love with Luffy as a main character would get very annoying. I wouldn't mind if they got together in a flash forward at the end of the series though.
I also like that characters do not become useless after several arcs. In DBZ, once Goku and every othera saiyan could go super saiyan, the human characters became pointless. In One Piece, even the weakling trio get their moments and are not at all useless.
When a character is smart, Oda shows and not tells. I get annoyed when watching an anime when a characters who is supposed to be smart simply just states the obvious. ("It seems like she is hurt.")
The last point is way too true, reminds me of what Sanji did in Little Garden and Enis Lobby. :D smart through actions, not words.
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The manga is good because it has a believable story.
Believable according to the setting.
Oda set the rules of the world.The story gives a reason to each fight, not the other way around like 90% of fictions.
I read that people feels the manga going downhill after the time skip.
I just think Oda needs absolutely to refocus on characters, Zoro and Sanji suffered a great deal from the lack of story time destined to them.
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What makes it good?
-Great artwork
-Great characters
-Luffy makes an excellent protaganist
-A real sense of adventure
-Brilliant storyline
-Really like the fight scenes
-Developed the One Piece World into a large world with a large magnitude of characters, locations, and interesting shit
-Childish but also badass at the same timeAnd disagree with what people say about the manga going downhill since the time skip, I think One Piece has gotten even better, especially this Dressrosa arc.
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I love this thread because we are focusing on the positives - so many complaints quarrels debates in other threads already so isn't it nice to see everyone sharing what they love?
The main thing that I love about OP is it focuses heavily on DREAMS - 'What a mind of a man can conceive amd believe, it can achieve.' This always reminds me the need to live a life I've always imagined. Watching Luffy and other characters in OP world chase after their dreams inspire me to do so as well. Their will, positivity, determination, rather-die-than-give-up attitude truly truly are qualities that I deeply admire thus I really love the main characters! Especially the concept of WILL, how important your will is can determine whether you live or die. All these are lessons for me in real life.
I also love that OP is built on the notion of FRIENDSHIP, eg how Zoro used to say if Luffy gets in his way of his dream he'll kill him - end up willing to sacrifice himself for Luffy. Luffy needing his crew to reach his PK dream tells us that no man can succeed alone. The intertwine of all their dreams and how all of them are gonna come true is something I really look forward to. The crew interactions is also one of the best part I love about OP.
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Honestly, it's the adventure and the good story telling that makes One Piece as good as it is. You don't really know how things will play out in'till you see them. Also, unlike in other series, Oda seems to care about even the smallest of characters. God knows I wasn't expecting that dog from the Buggy Arc to have a backstory. With that, I don't take any character for granted.
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1. I guess what's good about One Piece is that the story is solid. I mean, Oda knows what he's doing. From the beginning, he knew how the series will end. I just love seeing characters or little details from past appear maybe 200 or 300 chapters later. Like Shanks Haki that has been shown even from the beginning when he saved Luffy from the sea monster. I just thought before that Shanks has a certain power like that but I never thought that Haki would be formally introduced hundreds of chapters later. Also, Brook's nakama being Laboon.
2.Another would be the characters. Oda makes really weird characters but they still seem real. I mean, they are really strong people and they even have awesome powers but at the end of the day, they're all humans and I think we somehow relate to them that way. Also, I don't consider anyone as really bad or really good. Heck, One Piece doesn't have just two sides of a coin. There's always a gray shade to everything. Even the main forces, pirates and marines. Pirates are supposed to be bad and marines are the good ones but we can say that is not the case. All of them have their own goals and values and they just act upon those things.
What I also love about the characters is that although they become strong with every hardships they face, they never change the way they are. Luffy is carefree, loves adventure and meat. Sanji is obsessed with ladies to the core. Nami loves money. Those kinds of things. No matter how much their appearance or strength changed, they're still the people they were the first time they were introduced. And that's something that's really hard to do considering how many characters there are in One Piece.
3. The way Oda redeems old villains. I really don't like Crocodile. I mean, he's really evil, the things he did to Vivi and her country. I wouldn't have known that hundreds of chapters later, I would cheer him on at Marineford. As with the recent chapters, my heart really goes out to Bellamy though I would've punched him as well back in Jaya. Just giving people second chances in life.
4. The themes. Freedom, equality, friendship, family, values, dreams. There's a lot but they all just blend in together that I don't feel overwhelmed. What I like in particular is the racism towards fishmen. It was just so strong. It started in Nami's story where we saw how much Arlong hates humans. It was further explained during Shabondy arc then fully explained in Fishman Island arc. The themes and real-life issues just delivers.
5. Details. Do I need to say more?
Gosh I could add so much more to this but it would take too much space and time, so I wouldn't. Once, on a really boring day, I told my mom about One Piece and I actually told her the story from the beginning until I think Fishman Island Arc. I skipped some parts but I finished after about 2 hours. And she listened to me that whole time! She was so engaged in the story, she was even teary-eyed when I told her the nakama Brook promised to return to was Laboon. I mean, if my mom who don't really listen to me talk about anime, sat down for two hours to hear about One Piece, it's a freaking awesome manga.
Oh, and the humour. Crocus-san, troll king.
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IMO what makes each character so lovable are their quirks. Among the SHs everyone has his "weakness" (except Robin though).
Just like real people each protagonist has his own abilities and debilities.I also like that the WG in OP has several things in common with the real governments in our world (though our govs aren't as brutal - yet!). Oda also works out actual real life topics like drug abuse (be it steroids or "real" hard drugs) racism and corruption very well.
And of course there are sumtimes weaker chapters in the story. But they are blast away if you learn bout Brook's and Laboon's connection or the death of the Merry Go. Heck, I could cry gallons of tears if I read through Chopper's FB tbh. Let alone the satisfaction when Luffy b*tchslaps someone like the Tenryuubito or villains like Arlong. This only works when you build up the villains well.
But just like it has been posted above, Oda is master in redeeming villains. I hated Arlong back then, but when I saw what the tenryuubito do to fishmen I understood on why Arlong hated humans so much. And after that there was Hody's "NOTHING"-line. Pure racism. And then he got beaten up epicly!Conclusional I have to say that in my definition Oda COULD be described as a "god", cause my definition of a "god" is someone or somewhat that created a world that works very well, be it fictional or real. Yeah, Lucas or R. R. Martin also are kind of gods in my definition.
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World building and characters are my two favorite things about one piece.
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Lots have been said already, i'll support a few,
1. Story-telling skill, if Oda is my father telling me a goodnite story, i think we'll end up awake until the morning, with my face more curious than before.
2. Attention on details, like minor characters, they have their own story and all.
3. Background drawing, and art in wider scale. While most manga draw less and less background and shading while the story continues, OP still draw good environments, and mix them mostly good as to not taking the spotlight, but give a good feel to my eyes.
4. Progress in character drawing, i mean, when i re-read the earlier volume and compare it to now, the character seems gradually grow and not just the same person as before, and it happened not in a single chapter (timeskip) or what, but instead he keeps building it on. Going Merry for example, all the damage accumulated to it still drawn later and later until its demise.
5. I feel the story is somehow focus less and less to the main group, while its bad to some people, its good in that i really feel the world of OP, the world dont revolve around the SH crew, lots of event happened here and there, its really is a big, realistic world that can throw anything at your face. -
He can balance out humor well and make a great storyline. The characters, whether they are main, side or villains, I become to love. The themes of friendship, dreams make me feel emotionally invested, I love the crew's interraction, it makes me just happy to read the series. The arcs themselves. I never get bored re-reading arcs, because I find it so entertaining.
The storyline. There are so many things I want to find out, and what I have found that, that was previously a mystery has kept me thoroughly entertained. I have so much to look forward to, and Oda keeps adding more mysteries. Dressrosa for example, I have never been more entertained when he added characters such as Cavendish giving his own story to kill the worst generation because of lack of fame, Don Chinjao have a grudge against Luffy because Garp. I am entertained about characters that have not been foreshadowed and it has been less that twenty chapters.
The Flashbacks are brilliant - Norland's was brilliant. Nami, Robin, Chopper, Brook, Sanji etc were emotional and brilliantly narrated, and I thought they were well done.
The overall mood - You always have your light hearted moments and sad moments, and I like that there isn't a sad moment going on for a long period of time. In other words, while it has its sad moments, it doesn't get too depressing to read, there is always some moment which isn't as serious, and I like that.
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What makes One Piece such a great manga is how well the story flows and how everything pieces together. His use of flashbacks and character backstories are emotionally engaging and makes the characters/events believable, and his use of foreshadowing to propel the plot is second only to Tsugumi Ohba. The even scarier thing is that he's been doing this for 700 chapters. O.o He can introduce something very few and quite often zero people pick up on that he uses to develop his story hundreds of chapters later. The introduction of Rayleigh during Buggy's flashback is a prime example of this. It's almost as if Oda has the entire One Piece world pieced together in his head, and is just handing us the pieces one by one, creating this masterful work of art that is actually only half completed still. He seemingly doesn't forget a single detail, and all these little tidbits he leaves along ties up almost every loose end, and just makes the One Piece world seem real in a sense. Every little thing he writes down has some degree of significance.