"senior-made posts"this is the exact bullshit im talking about in this page.you guys act dumb even if the guy's point is obvious…when akainu and WG is taken down, it would have "no promotions" since theyre starting a new one. and maybe coby will be one of the admirals appointed because he is growing so fast.and zoro and sanji got better CoO haki than coby? please. stop acting dumb....even the doctor who examined coby said his observation haki is special. and what? luffy fought a CoO expert so its he can beat any CoO expert with eyes closed?thats the reason why he almost shit his pants when he rayleigh's capabilities, and he is getting caught by even by hody jones, so much for luffy having a high CoO.as i said, coby's CoO alone might be a big problem for luffy. luffy got perhaps above average CoA and kings haki but no one can dispute that luffy got average CoO skills. the bullshit and kissing ass in this page is unbearable. good god.
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RE: Next Strawhat Crewmate (Vol. 6)
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im in no point insisting about my theory, coz im so done trying to discuss with you motherfuckers, there are other way more respectful and "willing to listen to an idea" guys out there in forums that are not populated with monopolizing, wannabe geniuses like you are. you know-it-all bromancers got each other's back so much you almost formed a conga line.this is a "theory forum" and no matter if you agree or disagree or whether that guy is wrong or right (because were all fucking guessing here), give him a chance to throw his idea…especially if they spent time thinking and writing it all off just to share it with you motherfuckers. have some respect to other people's opinion, and its obvious you guys dont have that, you are driving new members away and all that's left here are you motherfuckers running out of things to discuss because a small group of assholes needs to be on the fuckin same page every damn time shooting anyone who got different opinion.
screw this page.
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these motherufuckers keeps on being bias assholes they are, now you guys are using power levels for your argument that coby got no parallelism to garp?
and these are the same bunch of know-it-alls who shoots down my theory because im supposedly "using power levels to justify that smoker is getting weak and coby getting up there with luffy."
just admit it that your argument "smoker is luffy's garp" is totally unproven and people could make case for coby as well.
you know this forum is fucked up when someone is even fuckin asking if "is it ok to give my my own ideas here? coz it seems that i need to be on the same page as your know-it-all asses"
oh, and robzilla, your "these should be followed to determine new nakama"–--half of these wont come out until either luffy invited them or that actually joined the crew. you guys just admit that you dont other people's opinion and you shoot down everything if you dont personally like it. so much for this being called a "theory forum"
the point is smoker is going down in competitiveness with luffy and could be possibly be replaced by coby soon, the last time luffy punched coby in marineford, coby havent awakened his CoO that time, coby's CoO alone could be a threat to luffy, do you guys realize that if coby's CoO grow too strong, luffy might not even hit him next time because luffy's observation haki is pretty average?
and with him backed up garp, coby can have the leniency that smoker doesnt have (which might pretty be stuck at G5 for now,) in terms of pursuing luffy.
youre genius asses never thought that smoker might have been a decoy to slowly put coby as luffy's garp? and maybe smoker's main point before is just to introduce a logia? (not that, its the whole character of smoker, of course smoker is the guy who slowly sees that the strawhats and marines are not black and white----just to be specific because your nitpicking asses like to find the singlest holes to pull your neverending, redundant, paraphrased arguments)
of course you guys will still gang up on anything like a group of jurors acting all right and stuff. go ahead, make a joke out of me, thats your whole point of "theory discussion"
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! It's just impossible to deny , whether it's you thinking Smoker will join or Coby fans trying to force a story arc that certainly isn't in the cards for him.
! It's like denying the Rayleigh/Benn Beckmen/Zoro parallel.
! Hell I bet when we finally meet Scopper he'll have a few similarities to Sanji, even if he's just being another extreme pervert.
! This doesn't mean they're the exact same characters or that their lives will play out exactly the same as the past, but Oda does love to allude to similarities .i agree with you there, the problem is, in garp's parallel part, you could make a case for coby. in those other crewmate of roger, there's just no other comparison except for those of crewmates of luffy. i dont get why monkey king, bevard and you always gang up on a theory when what youre saying "smoker is garp" is not at all absolutely true. you guys keep on using that argument and you complain when i use my argument over and over again…because coby and smoker can both make a claim as luffy's garp. so stop that angle.
@RobbyBevard:
! You have paid no attention at all to Jinbe, or the like, 4 years of discussion on him have you.
! Jinbe had about 20 qualifications for joining the crew before he even appeared on camera based purely on what other characters had said about him and that only intensified as he got more and more screen time and we saw more about him.
! Jinbe had a metric truckload of story and history and motivation to join before he even met the crew, and was rightly arguable for years by the people paying attention to story structure, author intent, and what he brought to the table in terms of diversity and story dynamics. He was likely almost immediately, and a lock once he started interacting with the crew… (Sanji and Nami in particular) all before Luffy officially invited him.
! If you personally find him "boring", that's your thing and thats an entirely different argument thats been held a hundred times. But he's definitely distinct from the other crewmembers in a huge number of ways. Smoker, aside from being a major antagonist force for the last 13 years and 630 chapters, pretty much shares an identical personality, and even a similar design, to Zoro. While his story motivations and role are... pretty blatantly set at this point and always have been.
! Jinbe (who was always a pirate) actively protested Marineford because he believed the government was doing wrong to try and trap a positive force like Whitebeard. Smoker helped get Ace killed because he believed in the Marines.
! He may become dissillusioned with the guys currently in charge, but he's not going to stray at this point.about 20 qualifications? metric truckload of story, history and motivation to join? bringing to the table in terms of diversity and story dynamics? i gave it all way before for smoker but you guys just like to nitpick what you like and dont like, and dont even try to bring up brennen's jinbe theory because there are lots of guys who didnt believed at first…youre just using that because it came true and because luffy now invited jinbe...jinbe is on lock and you accepted that at once? stop it dude. cmon.
! Because you're writing 3 page long rambles that no one is paying attention to anymore because your point has been destroyed repeatedly now, but you just brush off the posters who are right by going "la la la, I'm not listening, I don't need to counter your point because I don't want to talk to you." and instead just keep repeating the same crap over and over, so all people are seeing at this point is "Smoker smoker smoker" from you.
! It pretty much destroys your case when you're just bashing your head against the wall with the same argument repeatedly rather than actually discussing anything or providing anything new or even considering what the other people have to say.
! Generally, when every single person around you is saying you're wrong, or even just repeatedly misunderstanding what you think your point is, then you're probably doing something wrong.im writing 3 page long rambles? hell, monkey was the one who started on nitpicking every sentence i said with a reply and made it long so i needed to answer him with same amount of replies…jesus christ, you sound so bias.
and no one's paying attention because it had been destroyed over and over? with what? with the unsure argument that smoker is luffy's garp?...i kept on saying that argument is not yet proven and im the one ignoring it?...and yeah, i dont like talking to certain guys because of being rude pricks and being bias like you and monkey king.
you guys never give chance to theory posters here to discuss their theories respectfully because you two are always shooting down, insulting and flooding this forum with your know-it-all attitudes. ban me or whatever, but its real talk, its people like monkey king and you who kills the fun on this forum.
and to monkey king since your buddy here, hates that i write "3 pages long of rambles" then ill just try to make it short.
zoro and smoker dont even share the same design now, and personality wise, zoro just rushes ahead, smoker plans things ahead, with that, i meant that eventhough he is aggressive, he think things through....before he pursued luffy at loguetown, he had the mind to ready an ambush team. in alabasta, he traced luffy by deducting a call from denden mushi, at punk hazard he read the situation before going in an island, figuring out the secret passage and the poison gas...so on and so forth. zoro just goes ahead without any thought. if zoro was fighting against vergo, he would not have thought to just get the heart for law and endlessly try to overpower vergo. there are other differences within their personalities if you look at it.
never did i implied that aokiji is happy to work with blackbeard, but my point is, if aokiji joins a bad pirate crew in order to do what he wants (in order to change the WG)...then its more possible for smoker when he leaves the marines to join a pirate crew who he knows are good guys.
all smoker did was to transfer to G5, aokiji roams everywhere...come back to me when smoker follows luffy outside of G5 without an order. smoker said himself that his ranking prevents him from following luffy. (i wont give the page to you, find it yourself, its the aftermath of enies lobby iirc)
you know a lot about tropes, congratulations, have a cookie. still, you and bevard said tropes are not applied all the time, so its irrelevant.
what the fuck you mean adventuring? and bevard was talking about me talking about things over and over? the fuck you guys' problem are...you guys are too fucking bias you hate anyone who have a different theories than you...i never said anything about adventuring. I FUCKIN SAID freedom of doing what they fuckin wanted to do. adventuring just comes after they jumped at the ship. goddamit do i have to explain every single fuckin thing to you guys? also, if you dont know the page where smoker let the strawhats escape screw that, im fuckin sick and tired of this.
you know what, fuck this. all the other questions are just paraphrased same arguments i need to answer. you guys dont fucking accept anything until luffy actually invites someone...so screw it, im totally done. smfh. i tried discussing here again but these kind of fuckers kill the fun of discussing something.
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to the other forumers, im sorry and thank you for the discussion. you guys are all cool. im done here.
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RE: Next Strawhat Crewmate (Vol. 6)
jesus christ. smoker is garp again….and im not hoping dude, why you guys keep on insisting that? LOL
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you want to remember how much of a two face chameleon you are? last time i checked you insulted me when i used tropes.
now youre using tropes to use it as an argument? thats pretty low.
http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=36340&page=277
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Of course that how i see it, it's surprise me that you can see it the way i did, because you're basicly just saying that Coby and Garp, especially Garp, didn't care about how corrupt the system is, as long they get what they want (dream, salary, or w/e). But again, you really think that Smoker will join because you think the story ran in that direction(?).
its not that im saying coby and garp didnt care about the system. what im saying is, smoker is the one who have a close up experience about strawhats' good deeds and he experienced marine corruption as well (just like coby and garp), its just that, i think smoker's mentality is going that direction. he is a rebel, a stray dog.
coby is a cowardly, not so confident dude–-he fought it when he cant hold it back much longer (the baby cry scene before arrived right?)
and garp just got his own way, im sure he and sengoku will show up once again. im in no way saying they dont care about corruption. im just saying smoker is likely to go that direction.
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gonna get off, be right back in few hours! nice discussion guys! to the mods, sorry for the off-topic (i know, way overdue)
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@Monkey:
Yeah actually she was. But what does this even have to do with what you quoted lol.
its because jinbe is as plain as smoker and he's a legit candidate. LOL
You STILL don't get it. The problem with Smoker isn't that he's boring, it's that he fucking nearly identical to Zoro personality wise.
eh? zorro is like the perfect right hand man for luffy, silly and loves adventures and always follow luffy….smoker is like deductive and always careful and he might prolly always argue with luffy...just because they both frown doesnt mean they are similar.
Oh I'M lying? Show me where Aokiji mentions anything about "see the world and do what he wants" or whatever the hell you think he said.
He tells Smoker that there are things he can do outside the government. He's really really really obviously talking about law enforcement.
It's inarguable.
How the hell did you come around to thinking Aokiji's story is "NO WAY WILL AKAINU TAKE CONTROL, I CARE SO MUCH ABOUT THIS I WILL DUEL HIM TO DEATH, OH SHIT I LOST oh wait cool man now that i have no responsibilities i'll just do whatever, hey smoker bro, you gotta try this shit mannnn, chill outtt dudeee, i dont even care about justice anymore dude."Like that's what's your saying happened.
Aokiji still cares about justice, he's telling Smoker that he still able to get things done outside the law for the law. NOTHING about what you said he said.you said too much but aokiji is actually affiliated with a pirate now. and he said that because he experienced whats the perspective from getting outside the marines. twist it or turn it. he said to smoker that, you can see things more outside than inside the WG system.
ahahaha Smoker is literally the next rank down.
hahahaha. yeah. and new admirals are fujitora and green bull. too bad for smoker, he still cant roam around like aokiji.
No, because the system is crap and run by fascists.
thats why im saying he's getting out of there soon…ya aint diggin meeee???? LOL
He's loyal to the idea, not the bueracrats above him.
Jesus why does it always seem like the most clueless people here have never watched, read, or seen ANY other fiction.
It's like the whole incredibly well worn concept of the "TOUGH COP" TV show doesn't make sense to you at all. You're not at all familiar with this insanely cliche overdone trope.and when talked about tropes before i took my hiatus you insulted me. you contradict yourself. i thought its bad to always follow tropes???? i still remember it well bro. you chameleon you. using tropes when its convenient and insulting guys who used the trope angle when it fits. youre sneaky
TO.CATCH.CRIMINALS.
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, maybe I missed the part where Smoker and Tashigi went on a random adventure?oh, you never missed it, its just that smoker complains that he cant follow luffy because of the stupid WG system.
lol, I'd kill to see Smoker's point of realizing how much fun he's missing with the Strawhats…provided it's fanfiction.
of course, even law is being dragged into it.
So Smoker, Coby, Tashigi (jesus christ i still don't know how you've explained HER away), and all those people who share this same dream of reforming the law enforcement…they all deep down want to abandon law enforcement and become Batman with a pirate crew with a specific route.
dont worry i have an explanation for tashigi, and coby's dream is to be an admiral, he doesnt count. smoker's abandoning marine rules since day one.
Are you….actually questioning Smoker being obsessed with law enforcement....by also bringing up something that didn't happened.
he let pirates escape alabasta, it happened. look it up. LMAO. dont get amnesia when its convenient for your argument. just give up.
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@Monkey:
Yes because that fully encompasses every aspect of Sanji and Brooke doesn't it. Hell they don't even act like perverts in the same way.
Are you really that numb to how unbelievably boring and stupid having both Zoro and Smoker in the same group would be personality wise? Like seriously?
It sounds like some awful fanfiction shonen where the cast is just a bunch of grunting smirking badasses.
and robin is so much fun before she joined right, and jinbei as boring as he is, was a LEGIT candidate now because he was invited by luffy? thats playing on the safe side.
"oh jinbe got invited, now i accept the theory!"
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I just can't take any opinion if Smoker joining seriously. Kind of how people can't take ny Bellany predictions seriously.
i feel you bro, if thats what you think no problem. its better to know that you just straight up admit you dont like to see smoker in the crew personally. because its exhausting to debate guys who just refuse to lose.
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@Monkey:
No no no, that's now what Aokiji did. He didn't say "hey dude look outside the WG for ways to live" he said something about looking outside the box in order to deliver justice. He's expressing distaste with the way things are currently run and how he can't get the job done inside anymore. Not distaste with justice.
dont lie, he straight up said to smoker he can do change and see the world and do what he wants, if outside, rather than being confined in the system of WG. youre just fooling yourself now….and yeah, thats what aokiji did, but the question about me is, what is smoker's character in the series. aokiji is an admiral, he can do what he wants, smoker is in the lower ranks, a guy who sees the injustice but cant do anything because of his affiliation.
Smoker has never given a shit about loyalty lol.
and here you are talking earlier that smoker is for marines. right.
What the hell part of Smoker is about adventuring and traveling. He's law enforcement through and through.
well he sails off without permission. whatever… not every strawhat wanted to have adventure at first, its when they saw how fun it is to be with the strawhats they had been completely into that. when every strawhat joined they were just thinking about their dreams. having freedom what they want to do.
law enforcement by letting pirates escape alabasta...cmon, just give up dude.
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I'm not trying to oppose you, I'm trying to enlighten you. You can claim whatever you what, I don't care; that is, as long as you have a decent understanding of what exactly you're predicting.
Since you don't seem to want to answer my question, I can't really gauge the extent of your existing comprehension, but let's try again. What do you think Smoker represents in the story? How does his affiliations and morals tie into his character, and how much of that would be compromised or thrown away if he were to join the Strawhat crew? What, if anything, would be missing from the story if Smoker's role was twisted or distorted by his change of affiliations or morals?
ok, as i said, i have no problems discussing it…i might be wrong, its ok...i didnt understand your question earlier and it seemed to me that with your question earlier, i will be forced to make a fanboy story of what i wanted to happen (believe, i would love too give that LOL, i just dont think its proper because i want to base everything on things that already happened)
this question is better and ill try to answer it the best i can:
1.What do you think Smoker represents in the story? i think smoker represents the character that is struggling to know what is the true justice,a man who is on the verge of making a big decision of what he really wants–-who sticks to his affiliation, but deep inside wants to follow his heart and desire for freedom, to pursue his own justice.
at first he is this stubborn marine captain who got a black and white (pirates are bad, marines are good) perception...he met luffy and bit by bit, he sees that its not so, he is being helped by pirates, he helped pirates, he cooperated with pirates....he got a fake promotion, he saw cover-ups in kidnapping, drug dealing, the corruption in the marines, his close friend became a vagabond, literally urging him to look more outside than the box of WG.
his loyalty with the marines is there, but he follows his own justice, he doesnt really listen to orders and he hates guys who hurts his nakama. he is basically on the verge on deciding to follow his loyalty or his justice.
every strawhat got something held onto because of pride, nami's refusal to have friends, zoro's refusal to work for someone, sanji's refusal to leave zeff etc....every strawhat holds on to something before they met luffy because they are struggling to decide, when what they really wanted all along was freedom to pursue what they wanted.
so for me, smoker represents a pirate trapped in the enemy's side.
2. How does his affiliations and morals tie into his character, and how much of that would be compromised or thrown away if he were to join the Strawhat crew?
the only thing that needs to change is smoker's affiliation, which im confident will change because of the corruption he is seeing everytime he is involved in an arc, his morals and attitude are pretty much strawhat-like.so nothing would be compromised, maybe he needs to give up chasing luffy or not, you know, i cant say much about that, he can like, join the crew thinking that luffy cant go far this time and just find the right opening to catch luffy–--but you know, if he rides that sunny-go he would be pretty much converted into "ill ride this ship to catch you" to "goddamit this guy is good".
if you will say "smoker dont like to follow orders"....then perfect, luffy never acted like a captain anyways...
or you will say, "smoker wants to change the marines"...then perfect, the key to changing the WG is in the sunny-go----nico robin.
3.What, if anything, would be missing from the story if Smoker's role was twisted or distorted by his change of affiliations or morals? what will happen is that luffy will have a vegeta (you know what i mean) on board, one who will give an additional unique personality in the crew, given that, every dude in the current strawhat crew got no hidden agenda against luffy. much like sanji and zoro, kinemon and brook–-if kinemon is considered just on the fact that he would be like the partner of brook then i think its fair to give that persona to smoker as well.
and smoker would need to stop chasing luffy, which i think will be alright...since akainu might be luffy's greatest marine rival anyway, and both him and luffy got bad blood written all over it. akainu killed luffy's brother....which made smoker like a gag (not really a gag, but just sayin akainu's rivalry with luffy is way bigger)...or even if say "well smoker the friendlier marine rival of luffy".....there's still coby which is probably way more important than smoker....
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@Monkey:
Except those are shallow meaningless powers that don't matter, and the Swiss guy is talking about personality which does matter.
We already have a humorless surly badass who frowns constantly..and we got two perverts if youre talking about personality.
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are those can even called a justice?
and why can't Smoker have those traits as marines, the opposite group of the protagonist?well, ok. if you cant get it then fine.
What corruption? the shicibukai? the group that disliked by every other marines?
fake promotions, covering up the good deeds made by pirates, covering up of kidnapping, covering up of drug dealing, child experimentation, insertion of an outsider in the marines.
he's not
ok again.
He can't go to NW with his captain position? And aokiji's not leaving the marines because he want to…
ok.
He's vice admiral, of course he can… but tell me, what made you think that akainu will leave his office because of SHC?
this is just…man...sorry, this is a st---d question....
You really made them both as the worst character in One Piece
ok, thats how you see it.
last time i read, the baratie restaurant want to erase the shicibukai system.
eh????
really ? a childhood illustration?
that oda drew.
lol … not everyone that luffy helped will join, but a marines will? is this something like "sanji will be feared by the marines/wg" fanboyism?
stop generalizing, i didnt said anyone that luffy helped, i said strawhats was helped by luffy before they joined. LOL. your weak ass arguments dont really deserve a reply sorry….
So, why can't the chase to be a journey for both side? like we already see in the stories.
because they are dynamic characters.
Smoker made important decisions involving SHC in those 3 arcs he played, isn't that important enough?
do you want all things to develop ASAP? and here you are talking about bad storytelling.
dude, seriously, most of these arguments i dont even wanna answer…i respect it, but its pretty downright, i dont know...its like you just refuse to lose in a discussion...these are stupid ass, borderline sarcastic answers...
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So, if Smoker were to join near the end the of series against the World Government, how exactly would it differ from simply allying with Strawhat? Well, beyond–in your own words--mindfucking everyone.
I already have an idea what it would do to Smoker's character, but I want to read it from you.
end of the series meaning, he is just the last recruit. its not that its like he will join on the last arc before one piece ends….
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they already have a smoker in the crew
its like you saying brook doesnt belong since there's a swordsman in the crew, or jinbe wont join coz sanji got the blue walk…
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I already have an idea what it would do to Smoker's character, but I want to read it from you.
please tell me that idea, maybe its a reasonable argument against my theory, im all for it.