@Monkey:
But I agree. Zoro is much more original imo. And much more interesting without the Haki overuse thing if you ask me.
Since he's not at all like the first mate Rayleigh.
Or like that Mihawk guy.
Chapter 648: The Path Towards The Sun
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Nothing in OP can compare to Bon Clay's sacrifice at impel down.
I completely agree with this it ranks in my top 5 moments in one piece. There is a comment that the minister of the left/right(not sure) makes to Neptune, he says or implies that someone was waiting for that specific opportunity to enter the palace and steal everything. This got me thinking what if Hodi was just a massive diversion for whoever stole the treasure, and I don't think its caribou. its not(as far as we know) his nature to leave the mermaids, thats why I think whoever is actually behind the theft, witnessed Caribous abduction of the mermaids, saw an opportunity of how he will be able to carry all the treasure and walk out without suspicion and get a clean get away, which leaves me to believe that caribou is as of right now a hostage and at the mercy of this "thief"
As for the Luffy and Roger thing I am pissed of because if you look at someone like Zoro his feats and accomplishments are not compared to anyone its just him and his strength and not him under the shadow of another person and even Blackbeard who is the one pirate with as much chance of getting One piece as Luffy will not be compared to anyone but will be known for his accomplishments. But it doesn't matter its happened and its happening so I guess it couldn't be perfect.
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I've always liked the connection between Luffy and Roger so the whole destiny thing and all the similarities don't really bother me too much. If it starts to go down the Naruto route, where destiny is the be all and end all, that's when it'll start to piss me off. I don't see that happening however, so no worries for this happy poster.
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Hey guys remember how Luffy stayed to fight Akainu since he inherited the dumbass "dont talk bad about about anyone I know so I wont run away" personality trait from his father Roger while Ace told him to runaway during Marineford.
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The powers are obviously in the hat, Shanks knew that he was going to force Luffy to become the new Roger by the means of this magical hat.
My powers of deduction lead me to conclude that somewhere out there there's this hamradio enthusiast who's posing as the voice of all things.
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@Monkey:
No. because he could totally become the PK without wearing the same hat Roger wore. Or visiting the same places. Or having the same abilities. Or having the same characteristics.
Personality wise, Roger is much more similar to Ace than to Luffy. That in the flashbacks we saw. And that's not really surprising, is it?
And the hat totally affects Luffy's performance.
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Hey turns out the guy who conquered this entire ocean has visited these islands before, welp that's it the story is ruined FOREVER
Yes and funny thing is that they are only now complaining about it when we knew that they were visiting the same islands as Roger since Robin found graffiti by Roger next to the ponyglyph in Skypeia.
I seriously hope that people are not complaining about 'visiting same island' stuff because both crews visited Firshman Island. Not only would that be dumb, but forgetful…heck we knew every pirate crew that travels from Paradise to New World has to go through FI for 2 years when the Strawhats first talked to Shakky in ch 498 http://www.mangareader.net/103-2605-11/one-piece/chapter-498.html that flash marks Fishman island, one of 2 ways to get to the other side of the Red Line. One way, over and through Marijois cannot be taken by pirates, leaving the tunnel below where Fishman Island is as the way pirates pass through
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shanks's influence in luffy corrected the dumbass "dont talk bad about about anyone I know so I wont run away", remember the parallelism between jaya and fuusha village?
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@Monkey:
No. because he could totally become the PK without wearing the same hat Roger wore. Or visiting the same places. Or having the same abilities. Or having the same characteristics.
The hat's a valid point. But let's see, we've confirmation that they've visited two of the same islands. Skypiea is a bit of a coincidence, but there's literally no valid way to complain about Roger having visited Fishman Island too, because as you'll remember, that's the only way to get to the New World. And as wolfwood said, if Luffy wants to be the person with the most freedom in the world, you can sure as hell bet he'll visit some of the islands that Roger did. There aren't that many islands on the Grand Line that that's at all unreasonable.
They share one ability that we've seen so far, and we don't know if that's related to the hat or the Will of D or neither. And all the characteristics they share are much the same characteristics that the rest of the D's have, and are not exclusive to Roger and Luffy.
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I don't know about anyone else, but I had assumed that even with all the similarities between Luffy and Roger, Luffy would not take on the haki trait (if that's what it is) to hear the voices of all things. Since the war I had this belief, when Mihawk mentioned Luffy's dangerous ability to make allies with those around him. Something I assumed is a trait taken from Dragon. At least that was what I had thought until today. I'm not sure what to think of this. Luffy has Robin, so he doesn't need that ability. I'll reserve judgement, b/c even though Robin can read poneglyphs, she can't understand the situation or emotion behind the message. Maybe that's what Oda has in mind.
Anyways, so does Luffy find Caribou later and beat him up, then take the treasure as his own?
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@The:
Jinbe joining? I like the character so cool. Though there's still that small chance he'll decide to stay and help his country like Vivi did.
Then again Oda might pull a Vivi and have him "join" but stay on FI to be the protector of Shirohoshi or something. Unlikely but I'm just looking for any way out of having him on the crew.
Geez. I can't tell you how many times Jinbei haters have used this rational in the NN thread. He can't stay! Next chapter or so is a flashback and then he'll say yes. Just look at the title of this chapter. No way he turns it down. He has no where else to go and his primary goals for FI (forgiveness for Arlong, defeating Hody and his ideals, and reviving the queens desire) have ALL been accomplished. Like I said in the spoiler thread, all you Jinbe haters need to get on the bus because I for one welcome our new fishman overlord.
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@Monkey:
No. because he could totally become the PK without wearing the same hat Roger wore. Or visiting the same places. Or having the same abilities. Or having the same characteristics.
You silly person, Luffy doesn't know how to fight with a sword. Nor does he have his own cabin boys.
One day, everyone will understand that the Compass Birds are in fact the most important clue to the Void Century.
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Yo, guys.
Before his death, Roger managed to find a way to leap into the future. But he was trapped in a body that was not his own.
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Anyways, so does Luffy find Caribou later and beat him up, then take the treasure as his own?
NO.
Leave it to NamiOriginally Posted by Emporio Ivankov
"Miracle only descends upon those with the will to carry on. Do not take them so lightly"
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The voice of all things is Ziggy and the SH is Al. Jesus it all makes sense now.
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@Massimo:
NO.
Leave it to Nami16 chars of THIS
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You are focusing in the similarities between Luffy and Roger, like the plot has shown, and ignoring the diferences:
- Roger being able to decimate fleets for a minor diss, Luffy following Shank's credo of "No harm done, no harm done"
- Roger going through island gaining infamy and some friends, Luffy going through islands saving them and making some friends
- Roger being unable to do anything to the truth of Raftel, Luffy is definitely going to break down the world goverment
I'm guessing that Roger didn't had the Dessert Army, the Snow country Army, the Sky Island Army, the best Ship engineers, the Women Army, the Fishman army, and the seaking army on his side.
Luffy isn't like Roger because "Fate" or anything, Luffy is Like The Pirate King, because what Luffy has is what's needed to be the pirate king, and if he doesn't have it, he trains it and attains it.
At first it was his personality and the hat as a memento. Then was a crew and a will. Then it's a boat and ties to strong people. And now it's haki and prophecies.
Luffy is not Roger 2.0, Luffy is fated to become the pirate king, and also Luffy has to go beyond what Roger did, the endgame isn't on Raftel, the endgame is when the truth is out and the World Goverment is down!
Oh, and Jimbe! :D
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Hahahha, 82.77% of the people who voted in the Nakama thread were (almost certainly) WRONG. Glad this can finally be left behind.
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The hat's a valid point. But let's see, we've confirmation that they've visited two of the same islands. Skypiea is a bit of a coincidence, but there's literally no valid way to complain about Roger having visited Fishman Island too, because as you'll remember, that's the only way to get to the New World. And as wolfwood said, if Luffy wants to be the person with the most freedom in the world, you can sure as hell bet he'll visit some of the islands that Roger did. There aren't that many islands on the Grand Line that that's at all unreasonable.
They share one ability that we've seen so far, and we don't know if that's related to the hat or the Will of D or neither. And all the characteristics they share are much the same characteristics that the rest of the D's have, and are not exclusive to Roger and Luffy.
Skypiea, and Water 7(his ship was built by Tom),should be enough to realize they have been on the same track. Wouldn't be surprised if Dorry and Broggy were referring to Roger when they said only one other crew they knew of left Little Garden long before the pose set.
What's interesting to me is, did Roger discover his ability on the way to Fishman Island much like we found out only now about Luffy's? I'm trying to figure did he go back to the Poneglyph in Skypiea during his final voyage with Crocus and the gang or did that happen first? Any ideas?
Folks who read One Piece… Just better people. ¯\(ツ)/¯
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Water 7(his ship was built by Tom)
If he was looking for the best shipwrights in the world, specifically to find someone to build him a ship, then Water 7 would be the place to go. I don't see any destiny in there.
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Mangastream still using that Nakama shit?
http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/648/19
Ah. Much better!
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It's been a while since I finish reading a chapter with a big ass grin on my face :D
WELCOME TO THE CREW JIMBE!!!!
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Mangastream still using that Nakama shit?
http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/648/19
Ah. Much better!
Well I like the Nakama word, I know it can be just translated but I love the word because of One Piece lol, I've grown to hear it and prefer that word, there translation is not an official one, so I don't see any problem if it was Viz sure.
I guess some people don't like it but I don't mind it at all, I prefer it actually(as stupid as it might sound and I know it does).
Oh btw some people(probably one person, the others are just discussing it) are butthurt about Jinbe and are talking crap about the whole Luffy thing just to vent their anger if they aren't, well its just being dumb then.
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Oh, hey there great chapter.
-"Luffy have another ability that Roger had."
-What's that? Did you say ability?
-"Yup."
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-"I'm just sayin'.."
-As long as it's an ability then what's the problem?
-"Hahaha, I don't really know. I just like bitching about anything lol."
-Yup.Anyway, I guess Caribou really is the smartest guy around. Quite possibly the only character to end a plot and start a new one all by himself. And since he released the mermaids, I think he doesn't have an infinite space inside him. wink wink
Jinbe's answer is:
! I do!!!
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Sanji and Jinbei on top of a giant cushion :ninja:
The above post made me remember this.
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Nice chapter overall!
The offer for Jinbei to join was well handled with the whole blood donation thing.Very touching!
Everyhting else was fine but one thing that annoyed me a little,as well as others as i see,is the destiny thing…
Having the will and the power to achieve anything is another thing than being destined to achieve anything.
Destiny as a plot tool is pretty bad imo,and should be avoided most of the times.
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Marry me, Oda. It's cool, I'll change my gender. I want to have your babbies.
…what a chapter that was. Filled with wonder. I live for this shit.
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Very interesting chapter - The suddenness of the offer is a little weird but I see no point disputing it - Baring any unforeseen changes next chapter.
Welcome Jinbei the Big Blueberry Strawhat.
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I was honestly joking when I said Jinbe should be the blood donor last week. Kind of nice to have gotten something right for a change. As for Jinbe's joining… I still don't care either way right now, however I won't call it official by this chapter. Just because I wanna see the next chapter have the number 9 in it so there's no disputes to be had. XD
And as always, nice to see things wrapping up!
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OMg so awesome chapter :O so many answers almost answered and so many more questions. flawless ODA
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Just one more thing…just when was is directly stated that Luffy is destined to become Pirate King? He obviously has similarities to Roger and all and there's been comparisons and Whitebeard even said that Luffy's a better candidate than Blackbeard(obviously), but it's all been comments and in the end it always comes down to Luffy's own willpower in fights.
He's so strong right now because he trained 2 years and was strong before because how his childhood went.I'll stop now.
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You silly person, Luffy doesn't know how to fight with a sword. Nor does he have his own cabin boys.
Luffy should really be thinking about getting some cabin boys, y'know to really maximize the ruining.
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Skypiea, and Water 7(his ship was built by Tom),should be enough to realize they have been on the same track. Wouldn't be surprised if Dorry and Broggy were referring to Roger when they said only one other crew they knew of left Little Garden long before the pose set.
What's interesting to me is, did Roger discover his ability on the way to Fishman Island much like we found out only now about Luffy's? I'm trying to figure did he go back to the Poneglyph in Skypiea during his final voyage with Crocus and the gang or did that happen first? Any ideas?
Not a crew, but only a single person. They were referring to Louis, probably.
And considering that no one stayed on the island for the whole year without dying, Roger never visited Little Garden.
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I wouldn't be surprised if the Strawhats stay on the island so Franky can at least repair some of Noah, wouldn't be surprised if the next arc starts like that and somehow implements Caribou and the up comingReverie
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this was truly the best chapter for some time now but ill be dissapointed if Oda won't leave another clue(or the answer) about joyboy. Roger and Luffy… so mysterious
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When I see Luffy correcting Robin's translation while she's reading a poneglyph then I admit him been Roger v2.
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I have to say, I read the chapter, and one of my first thoughts was "Well, time to go to the thread, which I'm sure will have totally exploded over Luffy having the voice of all things and asking Jinbe to join". Look at me, I'm psychic, whee!
Well, I suppose I'll weigh in my opinion on the former, since frankly I don't really have much in the way of organized thoughts on Jinbe joining, never concerned myself too much with it. First of all, not to pick on you Kaiser, but I don't think 'inherited' means what you think it does. You could use that term with the hat, yes, but not with hearing the voice of all things. (… I need to think of a way to abbreviate that if the phrase is going to keep coming up). To elaborate, if my point isn't clear: Roger had the ability to.... hear all, that's what I'm calling it. Luffy, it would now seem, also has this ability. As far as we know at this moment in the story -- admitting that in the future we may discover that, what a twist!, Luffy is literally the reincarnation of Roger's spirit (something I very strongly doubt) -- there is no more connection to it than that. It was not passed from one to the other, it was not inherited, it was simply a coincidence. I do have to admit, I suppose, that the crux of this debate would be in where one draws the line between 'coincidence' and 'fate / destiny', but maybe I'll come to that... in large part, I think that will simply end up being subjective.
Now, I say all that not to nitpick, but to point out an example of what I feel you and many others who are against this development in the thread have been doing, consciously or no: it's as though, in declaring how much you dislike this sort of thing, you then go on to try to find it more strongly in the narrative than it already is. You (and I use that term now in the general sense, to be clear, not at all trying to pick on Zk) say that you want Luffy to go on this adventure and become known for his own sake, not as a Roger clone, and yet seem to refuse to acknowledge that that is exactly what has been happening, instead focusing on what are honestly a relatively small number of parallels, admittedly ones that are likely intrinsic to the plot in some way or other. Look at things from the perspective of within the narrative, since I believe that's the frame we should be talking from here -- as I believe was correctly rebutted above, I'm sorry, but the argument "Of course Luffy was always destined to be Pirate King, we've known that was how this would end from the very beginning, it's Shonen!" is worthless, as it's from the meta perspective of us as readers of a manga, rather than from the context of within the story. So, that said, I would beg the question of how people withing the OP 'verse view Luffy and his achievements. I answer my own rhetorical question from off the top of my head, so feel free to find examples to prove me wrong if you wish, but I believe the sweeping answer is resoundingly that they view him as his own person, with his own amazing adventure and successes (not to mention failures). Yes, comparisons to Roger are made, and yes, pretty much everyone who knew Roger that meets Luffy mentions that he reminds them of the former PK in some way or other, but I can't see how this detracts from Luffy being his own person in any way at all. I myself have often told one friend that they remind me of another, even to the point of "Wow, that other friend of mine was in a similar situation and reacted the exact same way!", and yet have obviously had no problem distinguishing them each as their own person.
Rather than focus on these similarities that seem to irk you so much, take the time to recognize the differences, how, just as you say you wish, Luffy is his own person. I'll just take the time to mention one here, since I think I've let my tendency to make book-length posts crop up again, and I still have other points I want to make, but I'm sure if you find yourself willing you can find as many as you wish. As mentioned I believe during the Marineford arc, Roger, much like Ace after him, absolutely refused to back down from a fight, at the very least when his friends and crew were in danger. Admittedly this next part is only and will ever only be theory, but I would say that, given this, if Roger had hypothetically been in the situation at the end of Sabaody v1.0, while he may well have told his crew to run, he himself would have stood to fight, even knowing it was hopeless. Contrast Luffy, who, as we all know, knew when to cut and run, and attempted to do so along with the rest of his crew.
Moving on from all of that! Of course I admit that there are an increasing number of similarities between Luffy and Roger, and that it at the very least seems likely they will play a strong part in the overall plot. That said, I feel many of you are still making a bigger deal out of these things than necessary. Two points, I think, before I wrap up. Firstly, I feel that some of you are taking the causality of some of these things in the wrong order, and thus seeing 'destiny' where I would argue there is none. The hat is an excellent example of this. Some people, especially at the time, bemoaned the fact that the hat was originally Roger's; in fact I believe it was the first time when complaining about the theme of destiny really picked up steam. "Great," the generic reasoning would go, "now all of Luffy's accomplishments are void because he has Roger's hat, and therefore was destined for greatness." I'm sorry, and besides that I know I'm talking to only a very small subsection of people, but how is this reasoning not simply patently absurd and clearly finding something to complain about? If anything, Luffy has not gone on to greatness because he has the hat, but rather was given the hat because he would likely go on to great things. I think it's fairly clear at this point that Shanks passed on the hat largely because Luffy reminded him of his old captain, therefore making the hat not simply another random, coincidental, 'fated' link, but rather the result of of other such similarities, and a totally reasonable reaction to them.
Alright, as I said, one last point, and here I'll finally tie in something from the chapter, lest I end up being completely off topic and thread de-railing. So, the ability to hear all, which we have discovered Luffy has, just like Roger. Let's say, as a 'worst case' scenario, that this power is absolutely required to finally reach Raftel. Frankly, I'm not even putting this out as a totally unlikely and hypothetical scenario, in view of how long it has been since Roger's death, and how still nobody, out of all the incredibly strong and driven people we've seen in the story so far, has managed to do so. At any rate, let us take this 'worst case'. Would that make Luffy's success destined, would it detract from the sense of adventure and danger and competition? While it would seem many of you would say yes, I would emphatically argue no. Granted, in such a case it would mean everyone else, or at least everyone else without the ability to hear all, is doomed to failure. However, that itself does not mean that Luffy is guaranteed success. (Again, remembering that we are talking from the viewpoint of within the story, and not from our position as readers of a manga.) Indeed, we've just recently come from the manga making Luffy's capability to fail all too clear during the Sabaody - ID - Marineford arcs. As I think an earlier poster snidely alluded to, Luffy's various similarities to Roger did little to help him here, and indeed if anything, if one were to agree with my analysis of the hypothetical situation I put forth above about Roger in that situation, then it was Luffy's differences that allowed him to even come out as well as he did.
I leave off with this thought, presented as what may well be a completely awful analogy. Say someone, in the real world, was born with genes that predisposed them towards being incredibly tall and athletic, with excellent jumping ability and hand-eye coordination, and went on to be a famous basketball player. Would you say that they were destined to do so? Would you think of them only in terms of previous basketball greats, and not as their own person? Yes, of course I'm aware that the ability to hear all is seemingly considerably rarer than than the traits I just mentioned in real life, but I, at least, feel the comparison is valid. Some certain combinations of traits are needed to have what it takes to become the Pirate King; obviously our hero has them, as the story wouldn't be all that interesting otherwise. It should hardly be surprising, then, that there are many similarities to be found between him and the last person to achieve his goal, much as nobody would be surprised that the average pro basketball player is taller than the average person in general. There's nothing I can do if you disagree, but to me at least, this does not, nor do I see how it can, detract in any way from Luffy's individuality, his adventure, his story, and therefore, from the manga One Piece.
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Yup, I wrote a freaking book again, apologies. Also, the thread was on 11 pages when I started writing this response... I'm not sure if that says more about how long it took me to write, or how quickly the thread is moving. Time to go catch up on what I missed!
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Not sure if this was mentioned already but do you guys think Luffy will get something from Jinbei's blood? As in some small ability or resistance or maybe he can understand fish now? I honestly have no idea, I'm wondering what you peeps think.
"You were the leaves basking in the sun, and I was the root growing in the darkness"
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Luffy should really be thinking about getting some cabin boys, y'know to really maximize the ruining.
And a mustache for style. In fact, he should pick up a cabin boy just to give the straw hat to him, and don on a classic pirate hat. And change his jolly roger. And age 22 years. And pick up another random cabin boy, but no more than that. And change the ladies to men.
Now, we're talking.
Edit: Oh, wait, almost forgot. Luffy needs to get laid. Yes.
One day, everyone will understand that the Compass Birds are in fact the most important clue to the Void Century.
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And a mustache for style. In fact, he should pick up a cabin boy just to give the straw hat to him, and don on a classic pirate hat. And change his jolly roger. And age 22 years. And pick up another random cabin boy, but no more than that. And change the ladies to men.
Now, we're talking.
Edit: Oh, wait, almost forgot. Luffy needs to get laid. Yes.
That's a good point. I wonder how many of the Strawhats are virgins. What a strange question.
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@Panda:
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You are a Panda, even your title says you are lazy, how you wrote all this so?
But after reading it all, I agree with you in a lot of points, though I have my own way to see why Luffy is similar to Roger, something that has to do with the Will of D, not revealing it because it's not flawless yet. :ninja:
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@RobbyBevard:
I wasn't GOING to close it, but Cyan had a perfect ending post. Reaching 1000 pages for the sake of bickering is not a goal in and of itself.
And it's confirmed at this point. Jinbe is joining. It's been blatant for six months now, likely for a year, and possible for two. Live with it.
Unless you want to start betting with actual stakes? I could stand to make some easy money.
You should talk to alina james then…she's ready to donate 100$ to anyone that say to her that jinbei will join.
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He defeated a semi-fodder character, "tried to" destroy a ship, and almost died in the process.
Still not cool in my book.Someone nearly sunk an island, got backstabbed by semi-fodder, tried to destroy some admirals, failed to rescue his son and fully died in the process. Who is this? Edward Newgate, also known as Whitebeard, who had the title of Yonkou as well as the title of the strongest person on the world.
Noah is the size of Fishman Island, and Luffy was fighting the clock known as mass and gravity in which he had to destroy said ship. How the hell are Luffy's actions anything less than 'cool' this arc? If anything, it shows he is slowly starting to reach the strength of Whitebeard who was decennia past his prime.
@Everyone:
Destiny, boo whine, yadayada, failpiece, Oda sucks! HARD WORK?!1!!11
Everyone has seen what Luffy did so far. But because it is 'destiny', he suddenly did not work for it? Have we not seen him suffer to protect Nami and her village? Stand with Chopper to protect his dream? Fight for Vivi's country? Struggle to protect Robin and his other nakama? Bullshit. Luffy has worked hard, and he will continue to have to do so.
As some have said, what made One Piece awesome in the beginning years was Luffy's entire demeanor. His outrageous claim of 'I AM GOING TO BE THE PIRATE KING' is indeed iconic in that sense. But as Kidd already said back at the auction house, the New World is going to be the sea where that statement is not laughable and ludicrous, but where it is taken damn seriously, as all pirates go to that sea for that very purpose.
Let me give my take on why 'destiny' is a concept to ignore and at the most a side-dish of the story to give it a bit more flavor.
"History is written by the survivors." is one well-known saying. It is how small accomplishments get blown up to a gigantic size of myths and legends. Or, if you want to rewrite it rather drastically, just for fun: "Destiny is what will happen to be the history of the future generation." If Luffy becomes the Pirate King, then that is destiny. If he does not, that is also destiny. In our discussion, the 'destiny' that matters to us is when someone fulfills preset conditions of considerable size so that it would appear pre-arranged. ('Luffy eats five sea kings for lunch.' is the wrong kind of size for this. ;))
All that it would take for this to happen is to have one person at the end of the One Piece story with a time machine go back in time to spread the stories of Luffy's eventual role in uniting the world for all people and races. For the sake of clarity, let's call that one 'Liberator Luffy'. At that point, it would appear as if Luffy is following the path of destiny, making him 'Destiny Luffy'. Both end up being Pirate King and all that glorious stuff, but one appears destined for it. Does that mean one put in more work than the other? Maybe. Yes? No? Who knows. If 'Destiny Luffy' ever gets identified as being a man from legend, he will receive as much trouble for it from the WG as he would aid from those who wish to stop him. But the end result is the same.
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why 'destiny' is just a huge red herring side dish.
TL;DR? Luffy fights and puts in effort, and is too much of an idiot to care about destiny to begin with. Any semblance of destiny is little more than a bit of spicing to spruce things up for the reader.
@Panda:
Yup, I wrote a freaking book again, apologies. Also, the thread was on 11 pages when I started writing this response… I'm not sure if that says more about how long it took me to write, or how quickly the thread is moving. Time to go catch up on what I missed!
I wrote my novel while you wrote your book. I applaude your penmanship! :D
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@Panda:
I think it's fairly clear at this point that Shanks passed on the hat largely because Luffy reminded him of his old captain
I would say it's confirmed
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Great chapter even though Mangastream's terrible translation ruined the experience a little.
I'd also like to add that all people who still don't believe that Jinbe will join are either trolls or incredibly stupid.
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@Panda:
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Your post, my dear. Is awesome.
