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Chapter 1090: Kizaru
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I’m most willing to belief Kizaru would get his ass kicked now so as for Saturn to step up. I’m inclined to believe Emperors and Admirals going down have a catch to them, since Oda likes providing twists and turns, and that I think that would be the most likely catch for this.
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For people thinking only Sakazuki left a mark on Luffy in Marineford... You are wrong! Clearly, so did Borsalino.
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I was curious to see the official translation of Kaku's line, so for now I will totally believe he took on two Seraphim by himself.
I went through it on the spoiler thread, but, like others, I believe Lucci tricked the Marine into attacking by feeding them false information that made Luffy's situation seem a lot worse than it was, and he did that because he realized the escape plan was going to result in complete failure if they didn't took care of Kizaru first.
But now that I think about it, it could be less about helping Luffy's group and more about ensuring the WG doesn't succeed in getting their hands on the power reactor, something he decided must be avoided after hearing the phone call between the Five Elders and York - and the escape plan would just let the WG get away with a perfect victory since everything they want would be left behind, except maybe York.
Either way, the fact he hid from Kaku whatever he was doing definitely hints he is not acting as he is expected to. -
@danie said in Chapter 1090: Kizaru:
For people thinking only Sakazuki left a mark on Luffy in Marineford... You are wrong! Clearly, so did Borsalino.
I don’t think anybody does, though it makes me wonder who’d replace Kizaru in case he comes out of commission after this arc.
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I wonder if S-Snake inheriting Hancock's soft spot for Luffy indicates that it matters somewhat when an individual's lineage factor was collected and not just who. Pythagoras said that the Seraphim evolve as they grow and theorized that it's because information gets recorded in the bloodline, so does S-Snakes behavior now mean that Hancock's genetic material was only collected after Marineford?
If so, I wonder when that collection progress would've occurred for the other Warlords. It might also explain why S-Shark seemed so cold and keeps targeting Nami if Jinbe's sample was taken before he met Luffy.
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@electricmastro Nobody if we are truly nearing the end of the story... I'm not at all confident he is going down for good this arc though. It would be great but i just can't be sure yet!
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@access-timeco said in Chapter 1090: Kizaru:
I was curious to see the official translation of Kaku's line, so for now I will totally believe he took on two Seraphim by himself.
I went through it on the spoiler thread, but, like others, I believe Lucci tricked the Marine into attacking by feeding them false information that made Luffy's situation seem a lot worse than it was, and he did that because he realized the escape plan was going to result in complete failure if they didn't took care of Kizaru first.
But now that I think about it, it could be less about helping Luffy's group and more about ensuring the WG doesn't succeed in getting their hands on the power reactor, something he decided must be avoided after hearing the phone call between the Five Elders and York - and the escape plan would just let the WG get away with a perfect victory since everything they want would be left behind, except maybe York.
Either way, the fact he hid from Kaku whatever he was doing definitely hints he is not acting as he is expected to.This is a good point actually. There would be need for Lucci to keep Kaku out of the loop if he was indeed feeding actual info. Kaku is naturally more by the book, so he wouldn't agree to it.
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@danie said in Chapter 1090: Kizaru:
@electricmastro Nobody if we are truly nearing the end of the story... I'm not at all confident he is going down for good this arc though. It would be great but i just can't be sure yet!
Well, Oda took the time to introduce Garling even though he had never been in the previous 1,000 chapters, so if One Piece is so close to ending that we’re less than 100 chapters away, it sure seems like Oda isn’t holding back now.
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Perfect mix of humor, violence, and wholesomeness. This is what OP is about. Not Sabo, Garp, and Shanks for 8 chapters.
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God, I miss the Straw Hats. Glad that we are fully back to Egghead, it's such a refreshing arc.
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@electricmastro Garling has nothing to do with this... Just look at how the admirals have been handled. 2 have been replaced, and that was through a world draft and a 2 year time skip... I just don't see Oda cheapening the position by replacing Borsalino so soon if he is defeated regardless of how many more chapters the story lasts!
The story being in its final stretch doesn't mean it only has 100 chapters left, but i think it does mean not another 2 year time skip, world draft, or anything like that!
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There’s a break next week?
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@danie said in Chapter 1090: Kizaru:
@electricmastro Garling has nothing to do with this... Just look at how the admirals have been handled. 2 have been replaced, and that was through a world draft and a 2 year time skip... I just don't see Oda cheapening the position by replacing Borsalino so soon if he is defeated regardless of how many more chapters the story lasts!
The story being in its final stretch doesn't mean it only has 100 chapters left, but i think it does mean not another 2 year time skip, world draft, or anything like that!
Garling still goes to show that Oda can change up things whenever he wants, and that some nebulous “final saga” won’t scare him enough to stop showing new things either.
Speaking Kizaru though, I noticed this:
Akainu - Red Dog
Aokiji - Blue Pheasant
Kizaru - Yellow Monkey
Post-timeskip:
Fujitora - Purple Tiger
Ryokugyu - Green Bull
So maybe an Orange Admiral would be introduced soon.
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@Shiebs Yes. Next chapter comes September 3rd.
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@Deicide how long until we stop having constant breaks, I know Oda is having health problems and stuff so he needs his rest but I can’t lie I’m really looking forward to having more than one chapter at a time
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@Shiebs This is due to the live action. Last chapter Oda said his schedule would be chaotic until the live action's debut, so presumably we return to a normal schedule with 1091.
But, then again, we were expecting to return to a normal schedule with 1090, so... who knows...?
Anyway, here's the corrected expected release schedule for the remainder of the year:
@Deicide said in Official Egghead Thread:
There we go again: (Corrected) probable chapter release schedule for the remainder of this year:
- August -
20 - Ch 1090
27 - Break- September -
3- Ch 1091
10- Ch 1092
17- Ch 1093
24- Break- October -
1- Ch 1094
8- Ch 1095
15- Ch 1096
22- Break
29- Ch 1097- November -
5- Ch 1098
12- Ch 1099
19- Break
26- Ch 1100- December -
3- Ch 1101
10- Break
17- Ch 1102
24- Break (Holidays)
31- Ch 1103This year's release pacing has frankly sucked. Not only we got 5 unexpected breaks (so far), we also didn't see the Straw Hats for over 4 months. My original estimates would be Ch 1107 ending the year, now it's down to Ch 1103. We'd be getting Chapter 1093 by now. Also, due to the holidays, the current schedule means the year will end with a horrible 6-weeks-3-chapters release.
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@electricmastro Sorry, i just don't see it.
I guess you feel their must be 3 admirals to very end but i just don't. If Borsalino goes down here, i will take that as the beginning of the end for the admirals... Issho and Aramaki i expect will be taking each other out! That will leave Sakazuki no choice but to get off his ass and raise hell!
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@danie said in Chapter 1090: Kizaru:
@electricmastro Sorry, i just don't see it.
I guess you feel their must be 3 admirals to very end but i just don't. If Borsalino goes down here, i will take that as the beginning of the end for the admirals... Issho and Aramaki i expect will be taking each other out! That will leave Sakazuki no choice but to get off his ass and raise hell!
Well there were three Admirals before Marineford. And there are still three Admirals as of Chapter 1090.
So until I’m shown evidence that the Admiral system will be out of commission in such a way as to not allow an Orange Dragon, then I’ll be suspicious in the meantime.
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Get these Admirals, Warlords, CP0, and Seraphim out the way, Oda.
It's the Holy Knight Era.
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Nami has been delightful this arc with the little bits we've gotten of her. Let her bully all the baddies.
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Well the breaks are killing me and I've officially given up on trying to parse Egghead's structure with all the cutaways, but the larger conflict here is building up in a satisfying way in this (likely) middle stage of volume 108.
Seeing Kuro on the cover is cool! Hopefully the live action has put it in Oda's head to do more moments like these with the ancient East Blue characters. Give me anything to reassure me that Gin's still in this thing, Oda, anything.
I really enjoyed the pre-battle atmosphere of this chapter throughout, from the radio negotiations that are more of an excuse to try and trick the enemy into revealing information, to the commanders callously weighing up acceptable losses, to the building tension as the order to go to battle stations moves down the blockade of ships before the operation commences. The part of me that's been really into Gundam the past few months enjoys the militarism of it all. It makes me excited to see how this battle to take the island plays out, even if we're more likely to skip most of it in favour of the Frontier Dome's events.
I'm glad to see Lucci's just biding his time and doing some spying on the side. It wouldn't have made sense for him to have had a full on change of heart at this stage. Although why no one thought to cuff him again after the fighting was done is beyond me. Curiously, he seems to confirm that Shaka and Pythagoras are for real dead. I'll believe it when the Stella says they can't just be restored for a Punk Records backup. Another really nice moment in this scene is Nami jumping in for Robin's sake when York mouths off about Ohara. Love to see the crew giving a shit about each other.
The three panel flashback of Luffy and S-Snake is weak coverage of how the death game situation got turned around. I hope there's more for us to see than that. Especially considering the bubble gun turned out to be the ultimate solution for them after S-Snake shrugged it off so easily the first time. I'm ambivalent about the idea of S-Snake inheriting Hancock's crush on Luffy. Could probably have seen it coming with S-Shark knowing Fishman Karate, but it was never the funniest gag or most compelling character trait even in Hancock, so eh.
So, Elbaf, at last. We've been waiting decades for this one, but I'm also not holding my breath. Fishman Island was the "next destination" for years before we actually got there, and ditto with Wano being signposted as the site of the next big event for so much of the New World. Anything could happen during the battle and escape from Egghead, so I'm not going to get my hopes too high until the crew are actually departing by sea.
Vegapunk's disbelief of Franky's cola power is the kind of thing I hope to see more of if the doctor's actually out to spend some time with the crew. Maybe he embraces the cola power and makes some unsolicited upgrades to the Sunny or the Soldier Dock or even Usopp's workbench.
Borsalino, last chapter's 'cog in the machine,' surprised me by putting his own spin on the orders here. He's a hard man to figure out, but so interesting to watch. I don't think that his respect for Sentomaru's convictions made for a very long battle though. You can see the light particles coming up past Luffy's face in the final battle. He's coming straight up. And I'm excited to see it! We're two Emperors down, it's time the Strawhats show what they can do against an Admiral. The Borsalino rematch I think is just the kind of thing to really put some emotional oomph and fan investment back into Egghead after so long away from it.
Hopefully this is the last break before we get back on a normal schedule. There's a lot of potential in the next few chapters, we just need them at a steady pace like they used to be. This post was honestly a challenging one to write, even with a lot of things I like in the chapter, just because I'm so out of my One Piece rhythm.
But hey, the live action drops before the next chapter, so that's something to discourse about in the meantime.
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@QueenTangerine3 said in Chapter 1090: Kizaru:
Nami has been delightful this arc with the little bits we've gotten of her. Let her bully all the baddies.
Hope to see her do that more even when they're not tied down.
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@Captain-M said in Chapter 1090: Kizaru:
Curiously, he seems to confirm that Shaka and Pythagoras are for real dead. I'll believe it when the Stella says they can't just be restored for a Punk Records backup.
I found this bit in the chapter to actually be rather noteworthy.
The satellites are meant to be treated as Herman's Head-style facets of Vegapunk's personality, and as such whatever happens to them should be read as Vegapunk's internal conflicts being externalized. And I think Shaka and Pythagoras being dead (even temporarily) is a continuation of that idea. Shaka and Pythagoras were the two satellites who had their shit together, and Shaka in particular tended to keep the other's respective personality quirks from getting too out of hand.
I won't be surprised if, without Shaka and Pythagoras, none of the allied satellites will be able to stay on task. Lilith has been itching to pick ill-advised fights for the entire arc, and she's currently in charge of the giant mech that's supposed to be their escape route. Edison has been shown dropping everything (and depending on Pythagoras to pick up the slack) whenever he gets a "Eureka!" moment, while Vegapunk himself has mentioned he's constantly getting new ideas. And Atlas did pick an ill-advised fight that put her out of commission for a while, and she's been shown to express her anger by punching things. Like I said in another post, I think what I find interesting about York as an antagonist is both how her wants and actions reflect onto Vegapunk, and how she splits focus. Having only the satellites left be the ones that arguably represent all of Vegapunk's worst tendencies feels like a great way to continue that concept.
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Okay now the chapter makes prettty clear that the someone is Kizaru (again, I was a doubter).
Love the panel of Nami defending Robin and Luffy+Usopp dancing (forgot Viz spells Elbaf with -ph)
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@MetaMario Yeah, I was hoping that Viz would keep “Elbaf” after the chapter where Kid sank. Seems like it was just a one time slip-up.
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Oh they did? Interesting.
I know another Vizism is calling Sea Kings "Neputanian"....back when I read FMA, they had localized a country's name into such a bizarre spelling than I legitimately thought there was another place in the world lmao
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@King-Cannon said in Chapter 1090: Kizaru:
@access-timeco said in Chapter 1090: Kizaru:
I was curious to see the official translation of Kaku's line, so for now I will totally believe he took on two Seraphim by himself.
I went through it on the spoiler thread, but, like others, I believe Lucci tricked the Marine into attacking by feeding them false information that made Luffy's situation seem a lot worse than it was, and he did that because he realized the escape plan was going to result in complete failure if they didn't took care of Kizaru first.
But now that I think about it, it could be less about helping Luffy's group and more about ensuring the WG doesn't succeed in getting their hands on the power reactor, something he decided must be avoided after hearing the phone call between the Five Elders and York - and the escape plan would just let the WG get away with a perfect victory since everything they want would be left behind, except maybe York.
Either way, the fact he hid from Kaku whatever he was doing definitely hints he is not acting as he is expected to.This is a good point actually. There would be need for Lucci to keep Kaku out of the loop if he was indeed feeding actual info. Kaku is naturally more by the book, so he wouldn't agree to it.
There’s also the fact we see him mentioning “4 seriously wounded” while, as far as we can see, there’s only 3 (2 if we consider one of them is Kaku, who shouldn’t be included in the counting). So Oda might have explicitly shown him giving the false info
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@Captain-M said in Chapter 1090: Kizaru:
Well the breaks are killing me and I've officially given up on trying to parse Egghead's structure with all the cutaways, but the larger conflict here is building up in a satisfying way in this (likely) middle stage of volume 108.
Seeing Kuro on the cover is cool! Hopefully the live action has put it in Oda's head to do more moments like these with the ancient East Blue characters. Give me anything to reassure me that Gin's still in this thing, Oda, anything.
I really enjoyed the pre-battle atmosphere of this chapter throughout, from the radio negotiations that are more of an excuse to try and trick the enemy into revealing information, to the commanders callously weighing up acceptable losses, to the building tension as the order to go to battle stations moves down the blockade of ships before the operation commences. The part of me that's been really into Gundam the past few months enjoys the militarism of it all. It makes me excited to see how this battle to take the island plays out, even if we're more likely to skip most of it in favour of the Frontier Dome's events.
I'm glad to see Lucci's just biding his time and doing some spying on the side. It wouldn't have made sense for him to have had a full on change of heart at this stage. Although why no one thought to cuff him again after the fighting was done is beyond me. Curiously, he seems to confirm that Shaka and Pythagoras are for real dead. I'll believe it when the Stella says they can't just be restored for a Punk Records backup. Another really nice moment in this scene is Nami jumping in for Robin's sake when York mouths off about Ohara. Love to see the crew giving a shit about each other.
The three panel flashback of Luffy and S-Snake is weak coverage of how the death game situation got turned around. I hope there's more for us to see than that. Especially considering the bubble gun turned out to be the ultimate solution for them after S-Snake shrugged it off so easily the first time. I'm ambivalent about the idea of S-Snake inheriting Hancock's crush on Luffy. Could probably have seen it coming with S-Shark knowing Fishman Karate, but it was never the funniest gag or most compelling character trait even in Hancock, so eh.
So, Elbaf, at last. We've been waiting decades for this one, but I'm also not holding my breath. Fishman Island was the "next destination" for years before we actually got there, and ditto with Wano being signposted as the site of the next big event for so much of the New World. Anything could happen during the battle and escape from Egghead, so I'm not going to get my hopes too high until the crew are actually departing by sea.
Vegapunk's disbelief of Franky's cola power is the kind of thing I hope to see more of if the doctor's actually out to spend some time with the crew. Maybe he embraces the cola power and makes some unsolicited upgrades to the Sunny or the Soldier Dock or even Usopp's workbench.
Borsalino, last chapter's 'cog in the machine,' surprised me by putting his own spin on the orders here. He's a hard man to figure out, but so interesting to watch. I don't think that his respect for Sentomaru's convictions made for a very long battle though. You can see the light particles coming up past Luffy's face in the final battle. He's coming straight up. And I'm excited to see it! We're two Emperors down, it's time the Strawhats show what they can do against an Admiral. The Borsalino rematch I think is just the kind of thing to really put some emotional oomph and fan investment back into Egghead after so long away from it.
Hopefully this is the last break before we get back on a normal schedule. There's a lot of potential in the next few chapters, we just need them at a steady pace like they used to be. This post was honestly a challenging one to write, even with a lot of things I like in the chapter, just because I'm so out of my One Piece rhythm.
But hey, the live action drops before the next chapter, so that's something to discourse about in the meantime.
At this point, I think the only thing that would get more people to accept not going to Elbaf next is going to somewhere like space.
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@Deicide So we’ll be back to our usual schedule soon! That’s good to know
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@last-exit-to-laughtale Well said, I'll be interested to see how close to this Oda ends up going
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@electricmastro Space is about the only option I'd be willing to accept without a strong pitch and a lot of narrative justification.
I have a longtime pet hope that Elbaf's World Tree analogue could end up being a disguised space elevator from the Ancient Kingdom's days, used to justify a quick trip to the moon or something along those lines. Using it to get back down after shooting Punk Records into orbit is fine too.
There's not enough evidence there to really call it a theory, but it's an idea that appeals to me.
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@Captain-M said in Chapter 1090: Kizaru:
@electricmastro Space is about the only option I'd be willing to accept without a strong pitch and a lot of narrative justification.
I have a longtime pet hope that Elbaf's World Tree analogue could end up being a disguised space elevator from the Ancient Kingdom's days, used to justify a quick trip to the moon or something along those lines. Using it to get back down after shooting Punk Records into orbit is fine too.
There's not enough evidence there to really call it a theory, but it's an idea that appeals to me.
Honestly, I'm not sure there's really a whole lot motivation going for Elbaf at this point, given how we've already seen the place twice. There's Robin's Ohara books and Usopp's exploration of the place, but that's about it it seems.
I suppose something could be done about Loki, but I don't really see it being a long arc. Maybe 30-50 chapters at most.
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@electricmastro Advancing the personal arcs of two such important members of the main crew in such big ways feels like a whole lot of motivation to me. And if Shanks is still in the area when the crew gets there, that's a whole lot more important stuff.
I'm going to refrain from trying to guess lengths until Egghead ends. I doubt we're getting any more 100+ chapter arcs before the big finale, but this arc is going to be the proof of concept for exactly how much Oda's able to trim that down by.
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@Captain-M said in Chapter 1090: Kizaru:
@electricmastro Advancing the personal arcs of two such important members of the main crew in such big ways feels like a whole lot of motivation to me. And if Shanks is still in the area when the crew gets there, that's a whole lot more important stuff.
I'm going to refrain from trying to guess lengths until Egghead ends. I doubt we're getting any more 100+ chapter arcs before the big finale, but this arc is going to be the proof of concept for exactly how much Oda's able to trim that down by.
I don't get the feeling Luffy will meet Shanks until after he gets his 10th person, but fair enough. I guess I'm used to each big arc being an all-out battle royale at this point. If Egghead is anything to go by, then I imagine the next series of arcs will be shorter, but also more character/lore-centric, with some fighting sprinkled in here and there for shounen sake.
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With S-snake being in love with Luffy, this makes we wonder what is the exact timeline for the creation of the Seraphims.
It has to be somewhere between the events of Impeldown and the time skip.So onto the chapter, when the summary came out a while ago. I was not a fan of S-snake falling in love with Luffy. But now I do not care about it.
It gives Oda the chance to tie up the events between when we where last on Egghead and the long cut away parts of it.
Still I wish we would spent a bit more time on the events, like how did Robin and Kaku get injured?
I get Kaku fought 2 Seraphim's at once, but what about Robin, was York hands on and she beat up Robin, or was it someone else?
Bonney being over her wish to kill Vegapunk is cool. But I want to see the Kuma flashback and therefore her reasoning of why it's ok for Vegapunk to be alive.
I've read somewhere that people think it's Devon, but I guess that's not possible? Wouldn't the marines have noticed a ship slipping by?
What I think is more likely at the moment, Blackbeard is gonna use the chance when everyone Marine is focused on Egghead to abduct Saturn.
It's a bold move and would fit his style, not sure if it works without him being there, but I would love for something like that to happen. This would accomplish Blackbeards standing to make Fullalead recognised by the World Government.Kizaru not wanting to bypass Sentomaru even though he could, is cool its also interesting that he is the only one who can bypass the defence system.
It makes me wonder if the underlying physics of the One Piece world are the same as ours.At the moment it seems like Luffy vs Kizaru is going to happen, but I think Kizaru is gonna go for Vegapunk and York instead, that's more important to the World Government than dealing with Luffy, even though that kind of contradicts their fear of the awakening of Luffys fruit.
Another break, lets hope we return to a normal schedule after this one, but I am pessimistic about that.
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@The-Light-of-Shandora said in Chapter 1090: Kizaru:
With S-snake being in love with Luffy, this makes we wonder what is the exact timeline for the creation of the Seraphims.
It has to be somewhere between the events of Impeldown and the time skip.I'm not sure if this is the case. Rather than S-Snake literally inheriting Hancock's love of Luffy directly, I'm reading it more as her inheriting Hancock's taste in men and weakness for a guy who manages to tick her boxes in just the right way, and Luffy still being that guy.
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@The-Light-of-Shandora said in Chapter 1090: Kizaru:
With S-snake being in love with Luffy, this makes we wonder what is the exact timeline for the creation of the Seraphims.
It must have been in Marineford.
Hancock was known for not going to meetings nor answering to summons.
I also doubt she would allow anyone near her to collect any material, and after the war she instantly got away from Marineford in pursuit of Luffy.
So during the battle is the most likely answer.
@Captain-M said in Chapter 1090: Kizaru:
Rather than S-Snake literally inheriting Hancock's love of Luffy directly, I'm reading it more as her inheriting Hancock's taste in men and weakness for a guy who manages to tick her boxes in just the right way, and Luffy still being that guy.
The thing is that Hancock didn't just feel in love with Luffy out of nowhere, he earned it by overcoming every test of character she challenged him to.
With clones inheriting "information" from donors like combat techniques, it makes sense that a profound experience like falling deeply in love could also be transmitted by lineage factor.
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@Captain-M said in Chapter 1090: Kizaru:
@The-Light-of-Shandora said in Chapter 1090: Kizaru:
With S-snake being in love with Luffy, this makes we wonder what is the exact timeline for the creation of the Seraphims.
It has to be somewhere between the events of Impeldown and the time skip.I'm not sure if this is the case. Rather than S-Snake literally inheriting Hancock's love of Luffy directly, I'm reading it more as her inheriting Hancock's taste in men and weakness for a guy who manages to tick her boxes in just the right way, and Luffy still being that guy.
Hancock despised Luffy like any other man before the arena fight. It wasn't a love at first sight thing.
Plus, Hancock was not particularly fond of the WG. The War was pretty much one of the very few occasions were anyone could get close to her to obtain DNA samples.
Kuma is obvious. Crocodile and Jinbe were at Impel Down and could've gotten sampled at any point there. The rest were all present at Marineford.
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I see lots of complaints about the schedule so let's have a thought for all the Black Clover fans which have the serialization moved to a quaterly magazine...
About the chapter, it is nice to see Robin is in the group. I wonder why she was left out at the end of previous one. It seems Oda doesn't want to explain us what really happened except for the depretification which is a bit frustrating. Bonney behavior is also a mystery, what made change her mind about Vegapunk ?
The panel with Saturn saying human are not better than insects is disturbing. It is more clear why they have not second thoughts before destroying Lulusia. I'm curious what Garp would have behaved if he was told such a thing.
Apparently I'm the only one who find it weird how the marines/Lucci are communicating so I will wait to see if Oda details it more in the next chapters.
Someone also mentioned that Lilith didn't quit Egghead whereas York went to Marijoa. This is indeed curious. I suppose Oda will developp it later as he didn't let Lilith say that for nothing.
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@danie I agree. If we accept that are closing in towards the ending, it just seems to me that if an admiral gets "eliminated" there's not enough time to replace him. And it would make sense to have a couple of excellent players (like one or more emperors) out of the game before the ending, it would be silly to have everyone still at their best for a (too) huge final battle
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@Kdom said in Chapter 1090: Kizaru:
Someone also mentioned that Lilith didn't quit Egghead whereas York went to Marijoa. This is indeed curious. I suppose Oda will developp it later as he didn't let Lilith say that for nothing.
I think it was meant that York knew Mary Geoise because of Vegapunk's shared memories via Punk Hazard, not because she went there personally. At least, that's the vibe I got since Chapter 1078.
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I'm still kinda shocked how cavalier the straw hats are being about the fact that Vegapunk grew programmable child soldier superweapons of some of their major allies in vats without any sort of consent.
Like, Jinbes whole deal - to say nothing of the crew at large- is being staunchly anti-slavery, you'd think there'd be some objections to these completely free-will defunct creatures; Vegapunk has literally grown his own fishman who has to do whatever high ranking WG officials tells him to and whose sole function is to be a battle asset! The sole wrinkle giving the Seraphim any sort of agency is a complete genetic fluke, and Jinbe laughs at it, please don't give me any "We'll probably get more reactions to the seraphim later" nonsense, we somehow managed to segue from the crew fighting a child Jinbe clone to getting Giant Robot exposition with no one in the crew batting an eye
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I would add to that it's incredibly gross that they're all dark-skinned as well (and no, the fact Lunarian blood is running through them is not an excuse), especially in this manga when Oda never bothered to display skin color before King. Oda wants to me to like the good doctor but it's hard to do when he's done so many immoral things without consideration.
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@Daz I’m baffled by it as well. Vegapunk is a shady character of questionable morality. If no one in the story is willing to call his responsibility on heinous crimes, then I hope at least the story itself leads to his downfall through his own creations.
And yeah, Jinbe specifically not being bothered by the existence of a slave-clone of himself will be forever a sore sight in my eyes.
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I guess the Seraphim are supposed to fall on the WG's responsibility. Vegapunk makes the weapons because that's his job as a Marine scientist, and in exchange the WG gives him funds to research actual society-useful technology.
Real science is not very different. Most useful researches tends to be repurposed byproducts of military ones.
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@King-Cannon said in Chapter 1090: Kizaru:
I guess the Seraphim are supposed to fall on the WG's responsibility. Vegapunk makes the weapons because that's his job as a Marine scientist, and in exchange the WG gives him funds to research actual society-useful technology.
Real science is not very different. Most useful researches tends to be repurposed byproducts of military ones.
Yeah, any anger and bothered feelings the Straw Hats hav over this are prob directed at the Government, who has caused enough crap for them already. To take it out on Vegapunk is prob a waste of time in their point of view, especially considering how Vegapunk is being threatened by them now.
I guess the Straw Hats call it even there.
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I mean, the bigger issue is that it isn't grappled with as an issue at all? "The WG who paid the bills are the real baddies" completely misses the point that no one is framed as conflicted about it to begin with. Not even Sanji, despite the Seraphim being literally judges wet dream
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I'm honestly not sure if I should expect anything from Oda on the matter. There is already such a massive contrast in how he portrays this specifc moral question, and I'm not sure if it he does it intentionally, changed his view over the decades or simply does whatever sounds cool to him in any given week.
Just compare Tom & Franky crafting weapons of war vs. how they viewed Caesar doing the same thing.
And it's not about whether toxic gas is worse than crafting a warship - it's strictly about how responsibility is shared and the Straw Hat's take on the matter.
In a better timeline we could get a chapter at least partially dedicated to the issue, with each (or at least some) of the Straw Hats sharing their stance on it. Franky, Chopper, Sanji & Jinbe would really lend themselves to that.
But yeah, we don't live in the best timeline and this manga has to end, so I expect nothing but would welcome everything. Anything. It's not too late for that, even if it's already super jarring.