Disaster isnt a rank. The all stars or lead performers are referred to as disasters or calamaties.
Official Wano Thread
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All right, all right, I got the picture. :P
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So, now that we - for the first time ever - have an official separation point of an arcs narrative acts, what're peoples thoughts on Wano so far?
To say something positive, I like that an island feels properly big again. Wano truly feels like a contry, and not a Dressrosa-style cramped citystate. You can also tell that Oda is having a lot of fun with the design of the beast pirates, and even if I miss the crew, this first act has had a nicely narrow focus.
My feelings on the "meat'n potatoes" chapter to chapter storytelling are less positive, but I'm curious how everyone else has found it so far.
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Agreed on feeling bigger. Everything in Dressrosa felt so cramped, here the country is just getting started.
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@Daz:
So, now that we - for the first time ever - have an official separation point of an arcs narrative acts, what're peoples thoughts on Wano so far?
Right now I'm very excited, but it took a while to get there. The immediate beginning (basically everything up until Holdem's introduction) was probably the most disengaged I've been with One Piece since the slowest parts of Dressrosa. There was nothing overtly wrong with it outside of some minor chapter-to-chapter nitpicks, but it was such a generic and by-the-numbers introduction that it was hard to care. I probably won't mind it as much once the arc is over, but it was rough.
Now though? We've got wacky SMILE designs! We've got time-travel that's actually interesting! We've got Luffy in Prison with Kidd! What little we know about Oden already has me really interested, and I can't wait for his flashback.
I'm a bit more mixed on Kaidou himself though. He seems dangerously close to reaching Aizen levels of overpowered, which is both thrilling and worrying. I know we'll learn more about him eventually, but right now I really wish we knew more about his motivations. By this point in WCI we already knew about Big Mom's long term goal of a land where all races live in harmony, and her short term goal of acquiring the Vinsmoke's science. Right now Kaidou just seems like he wants to sit around and drink all day.
To say something positive, I like that an island feels properly big again. Wano truly feels like a contry, and not a Dressrosa-style cramped citystate.
I actually don't agree with this, at least not yet. Sure, on-paper Wano is very large. It's got a lot of named regions that are all visually distinct. But I don't think Oda's put much effort into establishing a feeling of distance. In Alabasta we got at least a few chapters of the crew just traveling across the desert to reach each town. At the start of WCI we got a few brief but effective scenes of the crew sailing from Cacao Island to WCI as time passes around them (that's not even getting into the second half's big escape sequence).
So far in Wano we just smash-cut from one place to another. In-series Udon might be "one day" away from Kuri, but to me it's just "3 pages" away.
Still better than Dressrosa was though.
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We haven't even arrived at the capital with the story … expect that to be as huge as all Dressrossa.
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It's kinda rare for a heroic faction to have such a scumbag be their subordinate like Oden had with Ashura-Doji. Hopefully, he gets his ass humbled by Luffy sooner rather then later.
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@S.C.:
It's kinda rare for a heroic faction to have such a scumbag be their subordinate like Oden had with Ashura-Doji. Hopefully, he gets his ass humbled by Luffy sooner rather then later.
nah..i think it will be zoro instead of luffy..ala the moment of usopp got worshipped by dressrosa prisoner
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on the other hand, i think that probably only kidd pirates will be additional force to the current alliance between luffy-law-samurai-mink.
x-drake, apoo and hawkins will be parts of kaido force facing the alliance.
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Hawkings and Appo prolly got spirit-broken, but Drake seems to be into something.
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Hawkins looks like a set up for Law fighting pair
as for Apoo maybe will be facing Brook
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ZeHaHaHaHa! Moriah and BlackBeard team-up. Teach making allies just like Luffy.
So what do you guys think the bounties for Queen and King are? So far I'm just expecting higher than Jack but lower than Luffy.
Also is Dressrosa the worst arc of the New World? Can we all agree on this?
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so, who else is in for Kaido, Jack, Queen and King being all WG experiments?
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so, who else is in for Kaido, Jack, Queen and King being all WG experiments?
i bet only Kaido is WG experiment. for immortality research
as for big mom also WG experiment for gigantification purpose
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Don't kniw about wg experiments but since kaidou was captured many times in his life, could be that the calamities are also former prisoners. King seems to be from impel down, if kaidou was ever there.
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Kaido being sent to Impel down goes against the "Only two escapes ever", and while I could buy Morley escaping without anyone noticing, that is not Kaido's style.
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Kaido being sent to Impel down goes against the "Only two escapes ever", and while I could buy Morley escaping without anyone noticing, that is not Kaido's style.
It wouldn't be against that if he was imprisoned there and then taken to be executed, only for none of the execution weapons to work on him.
Regarding King, I personally think he's more likely to be a former Impel Down staff member who decided to join Kaido, like Shiliew. There was also the mention of Kaido sinking 9 prison ships, so maybe he recruited King there.
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Funny how we already finished Wano's first act and haven't yet seen Kanjuro or Raizou.
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Funny how we already finished Wano's first act and haven't yet seen Kanjuro or Raizou.
only the most relevant people got to be there, Tama, Shuten, Kid and Bone Spitter, the rest dont matter for this arc
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Funny how we already finished Wano's first act and haven't yet seen Kanjuro or Raizou.
There are some flagrant absences in the first act. Not only Kanjuro and Raizo, but also Drake (only mentioned by the tengu), Apoo (not even a mention), Killer (not a mention since the alliance was crushed), Hawkins' crew (even though Hawkins has been around the whole time). You would expect all the supernova at least to be shown in the introductory act, but since King and Queen only debuted now maybe not.
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Hawkins's crew was with him, to see for the guy with skull necklace. Only Mink Cat is missing
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Oh, you right. I admit in my mind I equaled his crew to Faust. Now I will have to rethink some things.
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@.access:
Oh, you right. I admit in my mind I equaled his crew to Faust. Now I will have to rethink some things.
Given Hawkins ability, it's hard to see a lot of the same crew members sticking around for too long. Maybe you get to a certain level of seniority where you're exempt from becoming a straw-shield, but I'd expect a fair amount of turnover on the lower rungs of his crew.
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Given Hawkins ability, it's hard to see a lot of the same crew members sticking around for too long. Maybe you get to a certain level of seniority where you're exempt from becoming a straw-shield, but I'd expect a fair amount of turnover on the lower rungs of his crew.
To be fair, so far every time we've seen the ability being used, the victims have only been random people, or Kaido's henchmen.
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so with the current situation of Pedro and Absalom, could someone 'die' in Wano too??
if Oda keeps killing the cats, Holdem and Sicilian are in so much danger atm.
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Kaido, obviously.
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Im loving this Arc so far. Its so high paced.
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I'm not much of a theory maker, but I have a feeling Orochi was originally a peasant or a low-ranking samurai (or maybe even a pirate?), and is modeled off of Hideyoshi Toyotomi, in the vein he was a rags to riches story who then passed several laws strictly defining the social hierarchy of Japan, including making sure peasants could not bear arms. And Orochi does the same thing to make sure no one can emulate his success.
Also, his surname "Black Charcoal" sounds kind of like he was from a family of charcoal makers or something.
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King appeared with a sword, suggesting that he could be Zoro's match. So I wonder about Orochi's fighting ability, since we had previously matched him with Zoro…
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Orochi is a two sword figther apparently, hope Kin'emon or ShutenMaru get to beat him up, tho we just don't know how strong that dude is.
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Are we seriously going to use swords as an identifier for Zoro's opponent?
For all we know, King just has a sword for decoration, among a ton of other characters.
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Thats Oda's fault and whatever reason he gave Pica a sword.
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Are we seriously going to use swords as an identifier for Zoro's opponent?
For all we know, King just has a sword for decoration, among a ton of other characters.
Why wouldn't we? Compared to a lot of the frankly absurd reasons or theories give for trying to predict a matchup, it actually is a well-established trend that Zoro is pitted against swordsmen. Even when the sword user in question is atypical in how they wield it (Ohm, Kaku, etc.), Zoro tends to be the one to fight them nonetheless. In addition to that trend, as far as I can recall, Zoro has never teamed up against a swordsman. He always fights/defeats them 1v1.
The only thing that's not certain is which sword user he'll fight, as this is an arc full of them. The general consensus is that it'll either be King or Orochi, and for good reason. Even if he doesn't fight King in the end, saying that his sword might just be only for decoration is hardly a good argument.
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Zoro didn't fight a swordsman when he fought Brahm, who had guns, and that was pretty cool. Also when he fought Monet, but she was also attacked by Nami and Robin.
I imagined that Oda gavo King a sword this early to explecitely avoid the Pica situation in which a character gained a sword out of nowhere just to attack Zoro.
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Zoro didn't fight a swordsman when he fought Brahm, who had guns, and that was pretty cool. Also when he fought Monet, but she was also attacked by Nami and Robin.
I imagined that Oda gavo King a sword this early to explecitely avoid the Pica situation in which a character gained a sword out of nowhere just to attack Zoro.
But, as Monquito remembered, we have a lot of samurai on Luffy's side, and it would be nice if they got cool fights too!Monet had those blade things she carried with her talons, and that fight was mainly fought by Tashigi. And Zoro's fight with Brahm so quick it hardly counts, and he gets a second bigger fight against Ohm, a swordsman. Zoro does frequently fight non-swordsman, but they are usually short scuffles, aren't the big arc fight, or are team-ups.
I don't think fighting swordsmen should be the sole requisite for proving yourself as the world's strongest swordsman (cutting certain substances or defenses, havimg feats against long-ranged threats, mastering new unique techniques, etc are valid trials in themselves), but it is clearly the pattern Oda has set up for all of Zoro's big fights.
Just look at how Pica pulled a random sword out of thin air for a couple pages mid-fight. Pica had absolutely NO USE for a sword when his specialty is being a huge shapeshifting golem, but Oda did it anyway because Zoro having a big arc fight against a non-swordsman bothered his OCD. Even though slicing huge parts of stone behemoth Pica already show how great a swordsman Zoro has become post-timeskip than clashing swords for the umpteenth time.
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At this point Kaido being a drunkard is most likely super tied to lead into Orochi's defeat.
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I think, that Kaido being a drunkard is probably tied into the Orochi myth and probably tied into the fact that He can't die no matter how much he tries, but that is like an observation/ theory on my part. I want to know why Apoo and X Drake joined Kaido. But, overall I like the arc.
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The 2 most surprising things in the Wano arc have been:
-the 20yrs time-jump
-and Robin's epic face-faultI just Need a clusterf*ck fight with all the allies and foes involved along with possible wild Cards (BM, Moria,…) and a huge bit of blank history flashback.
And I really wonder/hope we'll give the same reactions like the SHs gave once we read Oden's flashback. -
I know for some reason people hate when Oda does a bunch of one on one fights….... but I'd really really like it if wano was the next, Alabasta/Eneis Lobby, and gave all the straw hats a chance to shine
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I just now noticed that Raizou has a crescent moon scar in his (huge) forehead, the very symbol of Kozuki rebellion
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Any idea when the spoilers are coming?? They say the chapter might leak again.
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Any idea when the spoilers are coming?? They say the chapter might leak again.
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Any idea when the spoilers are coming?? They say the chapter might leak again.
There is no reason for having an early release since we are back to a normal schedule and next issue is a monday.
At this period of the year there are 2 weeks without shonen jump release so we have to get those 2 weeks without jump one day or another. Since previous chapter was one week early we have to wait to much more. -
Don't know if anyone pointed this out yet, but I presume that Wano it's gonna be another "Kingdom Rescue" Arc.
Hope I'm wrong.
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Any idea when the spoilers are coming?? They say the chapter might leak again.
Or wait until the chapter officially comes out on the 20th
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Don't know if anyone pointed this out yet, but I presume that Wano it's gonna be another "Kingdom Rescue" Arc.
Hope I'm wrong.
I don't want to sound rude but… we kind of knew that since Punk Hazard.
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Does anyone else dislike the extremely fast pacing in this arc? After Dressrosa's slow pacing I thought I'd appreciate a faster pace, but this is too much.
Well, it still shares something with Dressrosa so far: It's chaotic as fuck.
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I've come to the conclusion years ago that buzzwords like "pacing" don't hold much weight. It's all subjective and correlated to one's enjoyment of the arc itself.
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Does anyone else dislike the extremely fast pacing in this arc? After Dressrosa's slow pacing I thought I'd appreciate a faster pace, but this is too much.
Well, it still shares something with Dressrosa so far: It's chaotic as fuck.
I’ve heard other people say that, but I don’t agree at all. I think the “pacing” is same as any arc in it’s opening stages.
I've come to the conclusion years ago that buzzwords like "pacing" don't hold much weight. It's all subjective and correlated to one's enjoyment of the arc itself.
Amen to that.
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I've come to the conclusion years ago that buzzwords like "pacing" don't hold much weight. It's all subjective and correlated to one's enjoyment of the arc itself.
I’ve heard other people say that, but I don’t agree at all. I think it’s the same as any arc in it’s opening stages.
Eh, Oda is literally skipping events left and right, and time is passing at an absurdly fast rate.