@Ivotas said in Chapter 1060: Luffy's Dream:
I literally said "I had no problems with this secret the way it was handled up until this chapter. It was just an oath between brothers that simply added another layer to the Pirate King thing."
Meaning yes, I do not only remember but I specifically address that part in my previous post. The oath was there but it never seemed to be more than another layer to the Pirate King thing. Shanks' words to Rayleigh strike me as the same. However in this very chapter it turns out you need to be "at least Pirate King" (Franky) and that Luffy will "maybe" (Luffy) be possible once he's Pirate King. Thus becoming Pirate King now is the minimum requirement for Luffy's dream, which is a completely different outlook on the situation as it has been before.
For decades we've been lead to believe that Luffy's dream is to become Pirate King. Every Strawhat has their clearly defined dream. Zoro wants to be the strongest swordsman, Nami wants her map etc. And Luffy wants to become Pirate King. That's even the thing they declared before entering the Grand Line. Luffy is constantly declaring this throughout his adventures, "kaizoku-ou ni ore wa naru" is pretty much an engrained statement in the collective pop culture memory of Japan even if people have never watched a single episode or read a single chapter of One Piece. People know what this means. If you frame your story like this, then you clearly are giving off the impression that Luffy's dream is to become Pirate King. It's not the audiences fault for coming to this conclusion. It's the author's framing of the entire dream thing. Every main character has a clearly defined goal the audience knows about. We were never lead to believe that we don't Luffy's true dream until this very chapter.
Let's imagine a conversation between two friends, one trying to convince the other to give One Piece a try:
Now picture the same conversation with the new info from chapter 1060:
I hope I was able to get the point across, that the introduction of this mystery happening much earlier is not my main problem. It's that it suddenly makes becoming Pirate King not the main goal anymore. It just became a means to an end. And that's not what it was for so long.
I'm sorry but this comparison of two conversations you wrote, where one is clearly just to validate opinion on this matter doesn't help your point. This isn't a real conversation that happens of someone trying to get someone into One Piece.
This is like complaining about Naruto not understanding politics while his dream was the ninja version of "mayor of New York City". And his not understanding the full scope of the position he dreamed was something pointed out very clearly, because HIS reasoning to become Hokage was 'I want to protect the village and for them to respect me", something he gained well before becoming Hokage.
Yeah, if I had a conversation to someone about getting into Naruto and went off about how he wants to be the strongest Ninja in the village, but actually there's more politics to it and by the end he earns what he wanted without the position, but actually grows to understand and encompass the reality of that position as a mature politician, it would probably make the series sound like shit.
"B: "So, it is not his dream but a requirement for his dream then?"
Nami's dream is "Map the world". We very clearly know that by the end of the main narrative , we will not have seen her going to every inch of the globe personally mapping it.
A requirement of Nami's dream is to reach Lodestar and Laughtale, places not mapped. Are you going to complain at the end of the series how we didn't see Nami mapping uncharted islands in South Blue?