@Shiebs said in Dragonball Discussion Kai: Broly but this time it's not Broly:
Why didn’t they just make more super?
I think everyone was looking forward to Black frieza
Toriyama didn't feel like it, and the production committee just does whatever he wants.
This story was written back as early as 2021, so it seems pretty clear that it was devised before a lot of the recent on-goings in Dragon Ball Super.
@Ubiq said in Dragonball Discussion Kai: Broly but this time it's not Broly:
So it's GT but with the entire cast aged down and not just Goku. I get the feeling this is going to fall on more of the Baby Looney Toons side of the spectrum rather than the Muppet Babies.
which one was the good?
@desa said in Dragonball Discussion Kai: Broly but this time it's not Broly:
which one was the good?
Muppet Babies isn't just the first and best of that genre but also one of the best animated shows for children ever made.
Which makes it all the bigger shame that Muppet Babies is so riddled with copyright issues its never going to get released in any format.
Everyone was happy to say yes to Jim Henson for a tv show. No one signed off on home video or perpetuity.
At this point Disney probably owns most of said properties and many are public domain but...
I've had little to no interest in Super's shenanigans. Even in my attempts to rewatch old stuff, I've only particularly enjoyed the Buu saga. This seems at least more fun than more of the same junk.
Even if it's just a pure chibi comedy series, it should be fun to see the collective franchise nerfed down to more enjoyable levels again. As long as Beerus, the Angels, and Zeno are kept from continuing to ruin everything. Never been able to stand those things.
@Robby said in Dragonball Discussion Kai: Broly but this time it's not Broly:
Which makes it all the bigger shame that Muppet Babies is so riddled with copyright issues its never going to get released in any format.
Everyone was happy to say yes to Jim Henson for a tv show. No one signed off on home video or perpetuity.
At this point Disney probably owns most of said properties and many are public domain but...
The biggest obstacles at this point are the Star Trek references (almost certainly the biggest individual issue) , a few music video clips, and a few things like the Ghostbusters. That said, Disney almost certainly has properties that are even more screwed over by copyright issues than Muppet Babies; among other things, they probably own at least some of the rights to Kidd Video through Saban Entertainment.
Are they maybe exploring Hell in this new movie?
Some of the landscapes and locations looked very hell like
@Daz said in Dragonball Discussion Kai: Broly but this time it's not Broly:
@Shiebs What movie is this?
The new Dragon Ball Daima
@Shiebs said in Dragonball Discussion Kai: Broly but this time it's not Broly:
The new Dragon Ball Daima
It's a series, not a film.
Complicating things since 2009.
@Ubiq said in Dragonball Discussion Kai: Broly but this time it's not Broly:
@Shiebs said in Dragonball Discussion Kai: Broly but this time it's not Broly:
The new Dragon Ball Daima
It's a series, not a film.
Oh my bad 
After a bit of thought, Daima only really has one job that it has to do: restore everybody to their proper ages at the end of the series, which results in End of Z Bulma.
Complicating things since 2009.
Going all in on it I see.
If this works, they should do Cowa as well.
We don't know which animation studio will be handling the series yet, but it appears to be a hand drawn series, so I'm looking forward to seeing who exactly works on the project.
She/Her
The biggest surprise of Sandland is that they didn't adapt it 10 years ago when there was a Dragonball drought. Or any of Toriyama's other projects.
It amazes me that so many random RPGs get anime adaptations but Chrono Trigger never did.
@JulieYBM said in Dragonball Discussion Kai: Broly but this time it's not Broly:
We don't know which animation studio will be handling the series yet, but it appears to be a hand drawn series, so I'm looking forward to seeing who exactly works on the project.
Nah, it's pretty obviously CG.
THey've gotten a lot of practice at doing Toriyama style in 3D, and I think they've realized at this point the trick is to draw the faces or add some extra details so it's pretty decent faking of 2D, but its still CG. The body language and the color shadows are the real give away.
@Robby said in Dragonball Discussion Kai: Broly but this time it's not Broly:
The biggest surprise of Sandland is that they didn't adapt it 10 years ago when there was a Dragonball drought. Or any of Toriyama's other projects.
It amazes me that so many random RPGs get anime adaptations but Chrono Trigger never did.
@JulieYBM said in Dragonball Discussion Kai: Broly but this time it's not Broly:
We don't know which animation studio will be handling the series yet, but it appears to be a hand drawn series, so I'm looking forward to seeing who exactly works on the project.
Nah, it's pretty obviously CG.
THey've gotten a lot of practice at doing Toriyama style in 3D, and I think they've realized at this point the trick is to draw the faces or add some extra details so it's pretty decent faking of 2D, but its still CG. The body language is the real give away.
The film is CG, but we don't know whether or not the television series itself is going to be CG. A single cour series alone would require a lot more time and money than CG anime typically have to play with.
Oh, I wasn't aware they were different things. Well, maybe then!
Though they already built the models, so that reduces some of the needed resources. They just did the Trigun anime in CG, and stuff like Beaststars, and it looked fine, so I don't think the CG barrier is what it used to be, especially if they're okay with it being a little bit worse.
As long as it doesn't end up like Berserk. Yuck.
Be thankful they didn’t adapt Chrono Trigger into an anime as it would
A. probably truncate a lot of stuff
B. Lay the groundwork for Chrono Cross
The closest we ever got to a Chrono Trigger anime (aside from the PSX cutscenes):
I wonder what Toriyama’s opinion on Dragon Ball super was? It couldn’t have been to high seeing as how he ditched it for Dragonball Daima
I wonder if Oda still gets excited about new Dragonball content
@Time-Control-Magician said in Dragonball Discussion Kai: Broly but this time it's not Broly:
Be thankful they didn’t adapt Chrono Trigger into an anime as it would
A. probably truncate a lot of stuff
A 1 time play through takes about 20 hours, 25 if you do all the side quests. Once you take out all the random fights, backtracking, location repeats and menu scrolling that would condense down pretty nicely to a nice 26 episode 8.5 hour anime as was standard at the time.
A modern day 1 cour with only 12 episodes would miss out, yeah, but you could probably still do something pretty meaningful in 4 hours. Look at how Dragonball Path to Power managed to condense the entire first arc and chunks of red ribbon down into a pretty palatable 80 minutes.
B. Lay the groundwork for Chrono Cross
Not if they did it in the 5 years before Chrono Cross existed.
@Shiebs said in Dragonball Discussion Kai: Broly but this time it's not Broly:
I wonder what Toriyama’s opinion on Dragon Ball super was? It couldn’t have been to high seeing as how he ditched it for Dragonball Daima
I wonder if Oda still gets excited about new Dragonball content
I always imagine that while for many people it was a beloved part of their childhood. For him it was work where he was listenning to his audience more than doing what he gets the most fun from.
Like I imagine him having fonder memories of dr. slump than dragon ball.
I know, it's been awhile since I made an update of my rewatching of the original Dragon Ball in Japanese for the first time. I'm currently in the middle of the 23rd World Tournament arc at the point of the Goku vs. Piccolo fight. I want to the mention that both the 22nd World Tournament and Piccolo Daimao arc were great in the Japanese and this someone who like the arcs in the dub.
The Japanese version of the 23rd World Tournament arc have been great so far as well. Krillin vs. Piccolo is still my favorite fight of the arc. But I appreciate Shen vs. Piccolo alot more now, since it was a crazy fight as well.
Am I the only one who thinks there going to explore the realm of Hell in this new tv show?
I wouldn't be surprised if they travel to the Makaiou Realm, which was mentioned in databooks years back. From what little I can piece together from the shots that we saw in the trailer I think that the Kaioushin are involved—and their participation in the Majin Buu arc was being highlighted—because these new foes are Makaioushin, or perhaps even just other demons that were aware of Babidi.
Toriyama seems to have at least thought about Hell/The Demon Realms lately seeing as how Super dropped that bit of lore about Namekians being from there. Plus they could always tie it into Sandland.
Doesn't the Dragon Ball Heroes series already cover hell / the demon realm?
There saying there’s a new trailer for Dragon Ball Daima but I can’t seem to find it
@Shiebs said in Dragonball Discussion Kai: Broly but this time it's not Broly:
There saying there’s a new trailer for Dragon Ball Daima but I can’t seem to find it
It's not officially uploaded yet. Basically, it doesn't say anything about the plot. Apparently what we've been told so far about Daima is very misleading.
She/Her
@Shiebs said in Dragonball Discussion Kai: Broly but this time it's not Broly:
What’s misleading about it!
AnimeAjay mentioned on his Twitter that the trailers haven't even shown the main characters yet, so that's pretty fascinating.
The english dub of Dragon ball Super is finally coming to Crunchyroll today at 4 pm est.
Akira Toriyama has died, at the age of 68.
https://japannews.yomiuri.co.jp/society/obituaries/20240308-173259/
https://comicbook.com/anime/news/dragon-ball-creator-akira-toriyama-dead-68/
Damn, sounds like he could've had a head injury or similar.
It's sobering when a giant of a medium or work near and dear to one's heart passes, doubly so to realize that they're about the same age as my own parents. RIP, and what a legacy he leaves.
I've been thinking about finally cracking open Dragon Quest XI lately, and I think this news clinches it.
Quick, someone go collect the dragon balls and wish him back alive
In all seriousness, even if I've found it harder to enjoy both Dr. Slump and Dragon Ball as I get older (there are some jokes that are... problematic), it's hard to deny the man's skill and certainly his influence (One Piece being the obvious example, though it's a shame Oda hasn't captured Toriyama's clarity even if he's set his sights higher than Toriyama ever considered). RIP.
Sorry to see him go, he built the whole foundation of modern day anime/manga
A true legend
Is Dragon Ball Daima officially the last thing he worked on then?
Same age my father is next month, really sad
68 is still too young to go.
Rest in peace. At least he always seems to be enjoying his retirement and going at his own pace.
Damn this hits hard... RIP
https://www.shonenjump.com/j/2024/03/08/240308_oshirase.html
Oda, Kishimoto and Yuji Horii have messages about his passing.
Terrible news. I hope it was a painless passing.
Comments from some of the industry including his Dragon Quest collaborator, Oda and Kishimoto. These are just run through an internet translation, if someone fluent wants to provide better please do.
https://www.shonenjump.com/j/2024/03/08/240308_oshirase.html
<Yuji Horii>
The news of Mr. Toriyama's death was
so sudden that I still can't believe it.
I've known Mr. Toriyama since I was a writer for Shonen Jump, and with the recommendation of Mr. Torishima, the editor in charge, I decided to ask him to draw the game when we launched Dragon Quest.
It's been more than 37 years since then, and you've drawn character designs, monster designs, and countless fascinating characters.
The history of Dragon Quest has been with Mr. Toriyama's character design.
Mr. Toriyama, the late Mr. Sugiyama, was a colleague who had been making Dragon Quest for a long time.
I can't believe I'm going to die.
I don't know what more to say. It's really, really, a shame.
<Eiichiro Oda>
"It is too early.
The hole is too big. Sadness washes over me when I think that I will never see him again.I have admired him so much since I was a child. I remember the day he called me by name for the first time, the day you used the word "friend" for me and Kishimoto, I remember being overjoyed with Kishimoto on the way back home. I also remember the last conversation we had.
He was one of those who took the baton from the days when reading manga made you a fool, and created an era when both adults and children could enjoy reading manga. He showed us the dream that manga can go global. It was like watching a hero going forward.
For not only manga artists but also the creators in various industries, the excitement and emotion of the time of Dragon Ball serialization must have taken root in their childhood.
His existence is like a big tree.For the manga artists of our generation who stood on the same stage, the closer I got to Toriyama's works, the more I realised that they had a greater presence. Scary.
But I am just happy to see the easy-going man himself again. Because we love Toriyama-sensei on a blood level.With respect and gratitude for the creative world he has left behind, I pray for his soulful rest in peace.
May heaven be the joyous world just as you envisioned it."
<Masashi Kishimoto>
To be honest, I don't know what to write or how to write because of all
of a sudden.
However, for now, I would like to tell you what I wish Dr. Toriyama would ask me someday.I grew up with my teacher's manga all the time, such as Dr. Slump in the lower grades of elementary school and Dragon Ball in the upper grades, and it was natural for me to have my teacher's manga next to me as a part of my life.
Even if there was something I didn't like, the weekly Dragon Ball made me forget about it. It was a salvation for me, a country boy who had nothing.
Because I really enjoyed Dragon Ball too much!
I was a college student. Suddenly, Dragon Ball, which had been a part of my life for many years, came to an end.
I felt a tremendous sense of loss, and I didn't know what to look forward to.
But at the same time, it was also an opportunity for me to truly understand the greatness of the teacher who created Dragon Ball.
I want to make works like him!
I want to be like my teacher!
As I aspired to become a manga artist, following in the footsteps of my teacher, that sense of loss disappeared.
Because I enjoyed making comics.
I was able to find a new pleasure by chasing the teacher.
He was always my guide.
It was a longing.
It may be an inconvenience to the teacher, but I am grateful for it.
For me, he was truly the God of salvation and the God of comics.When I first met him, I was so nervous that I couldn't say a word.
However, after meeting him many times at the Tezuka Prize jury, I was able to talk to him.
I can't forget that when I went back to being a kid with Oda-san as Dragon Ball Children and talked about how interesting Dragon Ball was, as if they were competing, he didn't seem to be a fool and smiled a little embarrassed.I just received the news of my teacher's passing.
I was struck by a sense of loss that was even greater than when Dragon Ball ended...
I still don't know how to deal with this hole in my heart.
I can't even read Dragon Ball, which I love so much.
I don't feel like I'm writing this sentence that I want to tell the teacher properly.
Everyone in the world was still looking forward to his work.
If only one Dragon Ball wish really came true... Excuse me...
Maybe it's selfish, but it's sad.Thank you, Akira Toriyama, for your many enjoyable works over the past 45 years.
And thank you very much for your hard work.I am deeply saddened by the families left behind.
Please take care of yourself.
We wish Dr. Akira Toriyama a peaceful rest.
<Masakazu Katsura>
I don't have the
energy to do it.
I don't want to comment on this.
But I'll write something. If I write it down, there are a lot of things I want to say, and it will be a very long sentence, but I will try to summarize it as compactly as possible.
However, I can't get my feelings together, so please forgive me for the rambling.Even if you think about it. I'm not exaggerating, but when I went to visit her house, when she came to stay at my house, when I went out to play, I had nothing but happy memories, and every time I called her, I laughed so much that I was tired.
He was an interesting person.
She's good, cute, venomous, and humble.In my day job manga, I did some collaborations, but that was also fun.
But 99% of the time, we never talked about manga.
As a manga artist, the scenery I was looking at and the level of the artist were so different that I had never been conscious of greatness. I know.
But when I interacted with him, I didn't feel the slightest bit of it. It's his personality. That's why I can only think of him as a friend rather than a great cartoonist.Last summer, before I had surgery, he sent me an email because he seemed to have heard about it somewhere.
Really, e-mails are rare, and they are worried about my body.
I've known him for 40 years, but this may have been the first time I've ever been so kind to him. I thought it was going to snow. It's usually just a joke or a silly story.
It's not a case of worrying about people, not at all.
When I called him a little before that, I was sick at the time, so I said, "I'm probably going to pass away first, so please have a farewell party or something, Mr. Toriyama! I promised them, but they didn't keep them.I really regret why I didn't call him after he emailed me.
It's a pity that I can't make a long phone call anymore because of silly talk.
I have a lot of things I want to talk about. There are a lot of stories. If I'm not interested, I'd like to talk about it again, as usual, if you don't mind asking me to listen to it.
It's no good that the reply to my email asking you to contact me again was the last one that said lightly OK. It's really painful.
This is absolutely unreal.
I mean, I guess he wasn't exactly a spring chicken, but it still felt like he'd be around for a while longer. So yeah, this hurts.
Like many people, Dragon Ball was one of my main gateways into the world of anime and watching it on Toonami remains one of my fondest childhood memories. Whatever you may think of them, Dragon Ball and Toriyama's influence on anime and shonen action has been absolutely immeasurable.
And yes, let's not forget his other works and contributions, including Dr. Slump, Sand Land, Dragon Quest, Chrono Trigger, etc.
R.I.P. to an absolute legend.
And the lamb lies down on Broadway
Dragon Ball Daima is going to hit differently now
Really hope it’s well done as his last project we know of, I wonder if he finished it
Man, this hurts hard. I got first got into Dragon Ball in the fall of 98 thanks to the Cartoon Network airing of Z. I still remember during the Summer of 99 beginning the DBZ vhs tapes as the Funimation took over the dub to see the ending of the Ginyu fights. Then throughout the next couple years seeing the entire original adventures of Goku and friends from all the funny and heartwarming moments to the serious moments.
RIP Toriyama and thank you for all of your great work on Dr. Slump, Dragon Ball, Sand Land, Dragon Quest, and Chrono Trigger.
This is the biggest loss we've had since Osamu Tezuka himself.
@Nobodyman said in Dragonball Discussion Kai: Broly but this time it's not Broly:
This is absolutely unreal.
I mean, I guess he wasn't exactly a spring chicken, but it still felt like he'd be around for a while longer. So yeah, this hurts.
68 isn't that old. It's too soon. This is just like when we lost George Carlin or Robin Williams.
Damn, 68 years is tooo young to die.
That’s around the time when some people get to be grandparents for the first time or are a few years into their retirement.
I just hope that his loved ones are dealing with it well enough.
Oh wow, RIP to a massive legend.
Damn. I remember looking up the ages of creators I like that are starting to get up their in years & figured he'd still likely be around for at least another decade. Rest in peace to one of the biggest influential artists.
