Economy looks to crap itself tomorrow.
American Politics thread: No Nazis Allowed
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Yeah Robo, but what would you vote for?
Someone who randomly forgets his sentences
Someone who always remembers his mild racist sentences
There's no question that I'd vote for Biden if he wins, and it looks like he will.
I'm just refuting the claim that the criticisms of Biden's mental fitness are baseless.
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@Monkey:
Economy looks to crap itself tomorrow.
At this point, it seems a pretty good chance the Dow will plunge so much the circuit breakers will kick in.
–- Update From New Post Merge ---
Woof, stock futures are already halted after the first circuit breaker was tripped. Oil futures are collapsing after OPEC talks break down, the peso is falling off a cliff, the Japanese economy contracted by 7% last quarter and its stock market is getting hit hard, ten year US Treasury yields are at half a percent, Australia looks to be heading for a recession, Italy is shutting down Lombardy as a coronavirus measure, and the US has almost no resources to combat a recession because of the tax cut a few years ago.
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The media will protect Trump despite him saying he will let people die to protect the economy and his approval numbers.
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But Mexico City colored itself in purple <3
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But Mexico City colored itself in purple <3
Not to be rude, but what significance does that have? Is it for a holiday or something?
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@The:
Not to be rude, but what significance does that have? Is it for a holiday or something?
March 8th it's international women's day, but march 9th will be an historic and unprecedented event actually
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March 8th it's international women's day, but march 9th will be an historic and unprecedented event actually
I don't really understand all that, but I wish them luck in that strike or whatever. Seems like it's a big deal.
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The media will protect Trump despite him saying he will let people die to protect the economy and his approval numbers.
CNN and MSNBC are shit channels, but not for the reasons you seem to think.
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@Monkey:
CNN and MSNBC are shit channels, but not for the reasons you seem to think.
How much time has been devoted to the Trump admin intentionally botching the corona virus response (and Trump admitting so) to protect his reelection chances? This is the real story and something cable news had no problem hammering Obama on in 2014 with ebola (when it was a manufactured controversy). He’s gonna get away with this like he got away with intentionally botching Maria relief.
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How much time has been devoted to the Trump admin intentionally botching the corona virus response (and Trump admitting so) to protect his reelection chances? This is the real story and something cable news had no problem hammering Obama on in 2014 with ebola (when it was a manufactured controversy). He’s gonna get away with this like he got away with intentionally botching Maria relief.
They're talking about it so much that they're talking less about the worst single drop in a day on stock market record lol.
Right now they're covering an empty podium on CNN and talking about Trump maybe coming out to talk like he's an agoraphobic eight year old.
Also shat on Pence a bunch because of his record in Indiana.I also don't remember Obama getting all that much crap at all for Ebola.
So in the general sense: What are you even talking about?
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I appreciate these complaints, cause I've stopped watching most cable news years ago. I wouldn't mind if they all died out, and frankly considering their audience seems to be all of the elderly, I feel like that could happen in my lifetime.
Also, I admit that if a market crash had to happen, I'm glad that it happened before the general election instead of after it. Here's hoping for the best.
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Am I a monster for kind of being happy with the Covid-19 outbreak and market crash? It's the only way how Trump can actually lose this thing to Biden now.
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Yeah MSNBC and CNN are definitely not Pro Trump channels
That would be Fox News
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Am I a monster for kind of being happy with the Covid-19 outbreak and market crash? It's the only way how Trump can actually lose this thing to Biden now.
As an actual adult who is having his retirement savings wiped out by this second market crash in a decade, yes, you're kind of a monster.
It's fine to want things to damage Trump, for which there are literally hundreds of personal scandals and illegal things he's done that only affect him and criminals. You can cheer for those things to catch up to him.
its not good to be happy about things that ruin millions of lives, destroy markets, and kill people.
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I mean more of in a subconcious way though. Just lost my mother a few weeks ago so of course I can sympethize with and aren't happy about all the deaths, but there is a sort of silver lining relief of "well holy shit Trump might actually be out now".
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Considering how the 2016 election turned out never consider anything to be certain especially with some of the same exact bullshit looking to happen.
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so, is there going to be any debate Biden vs Bernie at all?
now that all the losers are gone, it would give us a better glimpse of how Biden is capable of roasting people, while telling us of hairy legs stories.
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so, is there going to be any debate Biden vs Bernie at all?
now that all the losers are gone, it would give us a better glimpse of how Biden is capable of roasting people, while telling us of hairy legs stories.
One is coming on March 15th.
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There's primaries in Idaho, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, and Washington (and a North Dakota caucus) tomorrow, theoretically it's possible that it's just going to be Joe and Gabbard on that stage.
You know, assuming that Bernie's ego let's him drop out after Michigan and Mississippi end poorly for him.
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Am I a monster for kind of being happy with the Covid-19 outbreak and market crash? It's the only way how Trump can actually lose this thing to Biden now.
Eh, morality aside let's be realistic.
Trump gets away with everything.
We can't assume that a massive economic and healthcare disaster is going to be enough to convince his cultists to turn on him.
That means nothing good can be assumed to have come from this, and everyone who dies will just be a tragic waste (just like in every other plague).
Now, if he does lose in November, you're not going to turn to your friend who just lost his grandparents to Coronavirus and tell him that it was all OK because we finally got Trump out.
So yeah as tempting as it is to pray for disasters in the vain hope that they'll solve our problems… please don't.
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So interesting local politics day for me.
I've been working for a NY State senate candidate for a few months. We just received enough signatures to get him on the ballot yesterday. And today? He fires his entire staff, including myself.
Why? Because this girl Emily who works on the campaign and more-or-less recruited every employee(All under the age of 30, most being local college students) brought up an issue of sexual harassment by two other Democrats on the town council. The candidate Tommy John Schiavoni responded by having HER tell all of us we were fired, and then fired her.
After she posted it and it started to spread, he finally put a post on his page saying it was unrelated and that he got all the sigs he needed and Corona is spreading, so he decided it was best to just cut all of his staff for "our safety".
Worth noting, all of us haven't actually been paid yet because of payroll issues and he fired us all. So we're all now fighting to get our checks.
Luckily many local democrats have supported Emily, disavowed his campaign and at least one of his opponents has called for him to drop out over this.
Luckily I was able to get another job with my local Democrat running for Lee Zeldin's spot in Congress. I worked with him in 2018 and will again, though it's a pay cut from what I was supposed to be making with the State Senate candidate.
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This Schiavoni sounds like a real wise guy. He thinks he's a goodfella or something?
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Now, if he does lose in November, you're not going to turn to your friend who just lost his grandparents to Coronavirus and tell him that it was all OK because we finally got Trump out.
So yeah as tempting as it is to pray for disasters in the vain hope that they'll solve our problems… please don't.
Trump and his cronies dying from COVID-19 would be a tiny, tiny silver lining to a world-wide catastrophe. But still a silver lining.
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@Kaba:
This Schiavoni sounds like a real wise guy. He thinks he's a goodfella or something?
He honestly was a good candidate until his handling of this situation.
Specifically because nothing was accused against him. Instead of listening to his employee who BUILT his staff, he fired us all and pretty much pissed away his campaign completely.
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Now people are using Covid-19 to justify any bullshit they do? Yare yare…
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Eh, morality aside let's be realistic.
Trump gets away with everything.
We can't assume that a massive economic and healthcare disaster is going to be enough to convince his cultists to turn on him.
That means nothing good can be assumed to have come from this, and everyone who dies will just be a tragic waste (just like in every other plague).
Now, if he does lose in November, you're not going to turn to your friend who just lost his grandparents to Coronavirus and tell him that it was all OK because we finally got Trump out.
So yeah as tempting as it is to pray for disasters in the vain hope that they'll solve our problems… please don't.
You're making the mistake of assuming Trump won because of his cultists. Trump won because a bunch of middle of the road people leaned in his direction in strategic places.
And his approval rating is as good as it is because of lots more middle of the road people whose political awareness is "Ah yeah that guy seems like a douche but the economy is good so whateves, he must be doing something right." -
@Monkey:
You're making the mistake of assuming Trump won because of his cultists. Trump won because a bunch of middle of the road people leaned in his direction in strategic places.
And his approval rating is as good as it is because of lots more middle of the road people whose political awareness is "Ah yeah that guy seems like a douche but the economy is good so whateves, he must be doing something right."You summed up my mother pretty well with that last sentence, lol. Though I think she also supports trumpy to spite me.
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@Monkey:
You're making the mistake of assuming Trump won because of his cultists. Trump won because a bunch of middle of the road people leaned in his direction in strategic places.
And his approval rating is as good as it is because of lots more middle of the road people whose political awareness is "Ah yeah that guy seems like a douche but the economy is good so whateves, he must be doing something right."I'm aware that things were like that in 2016, but having spent a large amount of time talking to conservatives over the last four years, I saw things change very rapidly.
Both polls and anecdotal evidence indicate that the vast majority of Republicans and a confusingly large number of independents support him blindly or near-blindly and believe that he's done almost nothing wrong. They really believe in Trump Derangement Syndrome, mistaking the rage and fear the comes naturally from years of blatant presidential gaslighting and watching fascism smash through our standards of behavior and most valuable government institutions for mass media brainwashing.Every single conservative I talk to online or off has adopted the narrative that the impeachment was just a stupid political ploy and Trump is completely innocent, and they refuse to absorb or care about any and all evidence to the contrary, no matter how damning. Whenever Trump speaks they subconsciously reinterpret whatever damning thing he said as the complete opposite, and try to use it as evidence of liberal bullying and bigotry.
I could go on and on, but the general point is that you're wrong about there being much of a swing vote this time around because they've long since either joined the cult or become anti-Trump.
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I'm aware that things were like that in 2016, but having spent a large amount of time talking to conservatives over the last four years, I saw things change very rapidly.
Both polls and anecdotal evidence indicate that the vast majority of Republicans and a confusingly large number of independents support him blindly or near-blindly and believe that he's done almost nothing wrong. They really believe in Trump Derangement Syndrome, mistaking the rage and fear the comes naturally from years of blatant presidential gaslighting and watching fascism smash through our standards of behavior and most valuable government institutions for mass media brainwashing.Vaguely pointing at polls that exist is not establishing your point, especially as regards independents.
I think your actually more basing this on your anecdotal experiences and I really don't care at all about those.
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Biden wins Missouri and Mississippi; looks like he won the African-American vote by seventy points in Mississippi and close to fifty in Missouri.
Sanders is getting around 22% of the AA vote in Missouri after getting about a third of it last time so yet another state with a worse performance than last time.
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I think Bernie is actually the one hurt by the people who believe the system is rigged against him. They don't bother showing up this time around because they feel that it just won't matter in the end. And that's a shame because now we're stuck with dementia joe and the tangerine trashbag.
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Who knew a campaign based around telling everyone that the system is rigged so why bother and you'd better support our candidate or else we'll let the fascist win, fuck working together or coalitions we don't need 'em and also fuck minorities because focussing on your issues is "idpol" and is bad and all your problems will be fixed by helping the economically frustrated cis white guys would fail.
I say all this as someone who desperately wanted a progressive agenda and was ready to vote Bernie in the primary (and probably still will) despite being shouted down every 5 minutes.
"Hey, I don't think embracing this Joe Rogan endorsement is a good look. He's transphobic as all hell and barely one step down from a reactionary Alt-Right voicebox."
"QUIET WOKESCOLD IDPOL CENTRIST BITCH!!"
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Michigan is looking like a massive blowout as a bunch of places Bernie won last time have swing heavily to Biden. He's already close to a ten point lead statewide even without Flint and Detroit.
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Black Grandma Brigade is having none of this malarkey.
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I'm going to try not the follow the election tonight to avoid that anxiety, but I'm not looking forward to tomorrow.
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God, I'm already seeing such bad takes such as "It's rigged by the DNC" and "the media has brainwashed people". And of course them claiming they'll not vote now.
Come on. He's not my choice, but he's been demolished tonight. And by large margins. And support for a single payer system is STILL the most popular. It's not that they don't want the things Sanders wants, but it's certain that a large percentage of voters don't believe he is the one who can pull it off.
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Come on. He's not my choice, but he's been demolished tonight. And by large margins. And support for a single payer system is STILL the most popular. It's not that they don't want the things Sanders wants, but it's certain that a large percentage of voters don't believe he is the one who can pull it off.
I wager that most americans think the America Bernie's dream off could be write by Rod Serling as one Twilight Zone episode.
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God, I'm already seeing such bad takes such as "It's rigged by the DNC"
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I'm worried seeing so many people complain about conspiracy theorists and Bernie-twitter fans on social media. I just assume they're looks and trolls, and ignore them. Should Biden be the nominee, that's hardly the issue now, and I can only hope we move past it this time considering it already happened last election.
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Well time will be Frantic Joe vs an orange trashbagman.
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I'm worried seeing so many people complain about conspiracy theorists and Bernie-twitter fans on social media. I just assume they're looks and trolls, and ignore them. Should Biden be the nominee, that's hardly the issue now, and I can only hope we move past it this time considering it already happened last election.
People never stopped complaining about Bernie Bros.
I think it is still possible to reunite the party but it'll take years and require significant concessions to the progressive wing by the Biden administration.
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Idaho is being called for Biden as well.
That townhall in Flint that Bernie had to make his pitch to African-Americans didn't really work; he lost that district by an even larger margin than in 2016.
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Bernie needs to drop out. Forget this primary and start supporting downballot progressives. It's the most important thing he can do from now on.
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It's mind boggling how this can even be a talking point anymore after 4 years of Trump.
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So I suppose Bernie is going to throw it all in the debate next sunday.
But with his opponent easily going with; Bernie your policies are the reason my cats can't afford Whiskas.
He's done for.
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It's mind boggling how this can even be a talking point anymore after 4 years of Trump.
It´s mind boggling how people actually bought this.