Hancock will rush to save Luffy and Marco will think she's trying to attack him and flambé her.
The best chapter.
LOL Sold!
I might get really pissed with Oda if it doesn't happen exactly like that.
Hancock will rush to save Luffy and Marco will think she's trying to attack him and flambé her.
The best chapter.
LOL Sold!
I might get really pissed with Oda if it doesn't happen exactly like that.
No, that was still the real Kuma.
my bad D: you are right :sad:
I totally got confused with how Pacifistas have the lasers on their hands. :sad:
oh well, ill be here to call it if they do appear.
They won't be.
Well they both have shown ken interest and Kizaru already took a shot at Luffy…
@Thousand:
Well they both have shown ken interest and Kizaru already took a shot at Luffy…
So did Moria, but look what happend to him.
So did Moria, but look what happend to him.
That's because an ally stepped in, but with the possibility of attacks from Smoker, Kizaru, Akainu, and whomever else I highly doubt that it'll be smooth sailing for Luffy till he reaches Ace even with Marco's help.
That's because an ally stepped in
Well isnt that the whole point, allies from both Whitebeards crew and from his own band of misfits are going to keep jumping in to bail him out.
D obviously. In my opinion, A and C are irrelevant. The title of Shichibukai is not significant enough for Jinbei and Hancock to sacrifice their other needs(Hancock joined the war because of Luffy). Kuma does not seem to be interested in power. "Tyrant" Kuma would probably have more power with Dragon as a revolutionary I guess.
Kuma hasn't shown any evidence suggesting he's being blackmailed by the government like Jimbei and Hancock yet, therefore you cant really use them as examples.
Plus I wouldn't say she just joined because of Luffy, more that she was swayed towards the idea. It was obvious she wouldn't allow herself to be stripped of her title due to the possibility of a buster call on Amazon Lily.
As for Kuma's interests, its hard to say what his interests truly are. Power, position and security are all worthy reasons, but I suspect something far greater from someone as calculating as Kuma.
I can only assume that if he was working for the revolutionaries it would imply he agrees with their aims to topple the government, which then implies he has a reason to want an end to their rule. This could be for a variety of reasons.
You could be right though, Kuma might be trying to protect people, like Hancock and Jimbei are.
He could also be helping due to a previous event. Maybe a vendetta caused by an event similar to Ohara.
I even begin to question his willingness to do the things done so far. After all he's been modified so much by Vegapunk (assumption) he could have reached a point where he has practically lost all his remaining humanity. Leading to the robotic henchmen he appears to be, solely under the control of Sengoku/Gov. Kuma stated that he wasn't complete, maybe after he is finished his last bit of willpower/control will be removed. His actions toward Luffy could have been a last sign of rebelling in him. He may have even been completed since, this may even explain his actions towards Ivankov?? (yet more mystery)
I believe when his history is finally revealed we may discover it to be several of these factors that led to the present circumstances.
Well isnt that the whole point, allies from both Whitebeards crew and from his own band of misfits are going to keep jumping in to bail him out.
Not that there's anything wrong with that. Normal pirates wouldn't have so much attention from the top guns anyway.
Well isnt that the whole point, allies from both Whitebeards crew and from his own band of misfits are going to keep jumping in to bail him out.
I'm fairly certain they'll have their hands full once more enemies begin to attack, and don't forget BB is coming so playing bodyguard isn't something I see working till war's end. Hell it'll be even worse if there is a pacifista army waiting in the wings.
Well isnt that the whole point, allies from both Whitebeards crew and from his own band of misfits are going to keep jumping in to bail him out.
Plus the different pirates from those 43 different New World crews.
Among them should be a couple that are able to hold whoever may try to stop Luffy and he isn't able to easily shake off.
But there's still the VAs, Smoker and the fact that we have no idea of what operation TOTTZ entails be it a pacifista trap or w/e, it's highly doubtful that Luffy will get to the platform unchecked even with Marco's aid. That would be kinda boring as well. If things get too bad Sengoku may even sic Garp on Luffy as a test of Garp's loyalty, so I think as Luffy gets closer to that platform things will only worsen for him.
But there's still the VAs, Smoker and the fact that we have no idea of what operation TOTTZ entails be it a pacifista trap or w/e, it's highly doubtful that Luffy will get to the platform unchecked even with Marco's aid. That would be kinda boring as well. If things get too bad Sengoku may even sic Garp on Luffy as a test of Garp's loyalty, so I think as Luffy gets closer to that platform things will only worsen for him.
The VAs (yes, save for a few. You know who.) seem pretty moot at this point. What people who predicted Luffy would get his ass kicked the minute he entered this war is that, except for the shichibukai, admirals, Whitebeard's top fighters, Garp and Smoker, everyone else is below Luffy's level of strength.
Otherwise, yeah, most likely things will keep getting harder the farther this fight goes. That is pretty much spot on.
The VAs (yes, save for a few. You know who.) seem pretty moot at this point. What people who predicted Luffy would get his ass kicked the minute he entered this war is that, except for the shichibukai, admirals, Whitebeard's top fighters, Garp and Smoker, everyone else is below Luffy's level of strength.
Otherwise, yeah, most likely things will keep getting harder the farther this fight goes. That is pretty much spot on.
So you think Momonga, Onigumo, John Giant, Strawberry and Lacroix are feather weights? Besides I meant that the VAs, Rear Admirals and commodores are likely to keep the NW captains busy so I imagine they'll have their hands full and wouldn't be able to assist Luffy. Honestly idk why som people would believe that Oda would choose the option of less conflict and have Marco and Luffy able to handle anyone who'll get in their path.
So you think Momonga, Onigumo, John Giant, Strawberry and Lacroix are feather weights? Besides I meant that the VAs, Rear Admirals and commodores are likely to keep the NW captains busy so I imagine they'll have their hands full and wouldn't be able to assist Luffy. Honestly idk why som people would believe that Oda would choose the option of less conflict and have Marco and Luffy able to handle anyone who'll get in their path.
The VAs (yes, save for a few. You know who.)
Dude, I added that little note there and you ignored it. Though Momonga, Onigumo, and Strawberry only have a 50/50 chance of being a match for Luffy, cause there are clearly different degrees of tough. They concept that they're so powerful only stems from popularity they gained from their decent character designs. Now Giant John, he's probably tough since he's the only VA we've seen command a giant army, amongst other things. He seems special.
To get more technical on how this conflict will go down, while I agree that Luffy won't have an easy way towards Ace I don't see things happening the way you say them. As it stands, Whitebeard's forces have been consistently equal with the marines, so the idea that Whitebeard will run out of people who can support Luffy doesn't quite make sense right now. I see something more unexpected to become an obstacle for saving Ace, like that secret plan or something.
Dude, I added that little note there and you ignored it. Though Momonga, Onigumo, and Strawberry only have a 50/50 chance of being a match for Luffy, cause there are clearly different degrees of tough. They concept that they're so powerful only stems from popularity they gained from their decent character designs. Now Giant John, he's probably tough since he's the only VA we've seen command a giant army, amongst other things. He seems special.
To get more technical on how this conflict will go down, while I agree that Luffy won't have an easy way towards Ace I don't see things happening the way you say them. As it stands, Whitebeard's forces have been consistently equal with the marines, so the idea that Whitebeard will run out of people who can support Luffy doesn't quite make sense right now. I see something more unexpected to become an obstacle for saving Ace, like that secret plan or something.
My bad but idk why when I read that I assumed you meant only Garp (didn't see a "few") but idk I think all the VAs can probably fight, hell even Bleach Vice Captains aren't fodders so I can't see Oda leaving a big disparity from Admirals down to VAs.
Dude, I added that little note there and you ignored it. Though Momonga, Onigumo, and Strawberry only have a 50/50 chance of being a match for Luffy, cause there are clearly different degrees of tough. They concept that they're so powerful only stems from popularity they gained from their decent character designs.
Where do you see a fifty-fifty chance against luffy? They havent done anything yet. So hancock seems to be superior to momonga, but hell, she is superior to this wb commander too, who attacked her. And we didnt know how strong this guy was. He could be right under ace and marco strengh-wise.
I think the problem with the va is, that every significant power have got a short introduction before luffy entered. Except the va. So noone knows how strong they are against luffy.
I'm sure it's been said already but I'm just waiting on Kuma to say something and BB to show us his world-shaking event >.> I also want to see what role Buggy plays besides standing next to badasses and being badass enough himself to not seem out of place. XD
Where do you see a fifty-fifty chance against luffy? They havent done anything yet. So hancock seems to be superior to momonga, but hell, she is superior to this wb commander too, who attacked her. And we didnt know how strong this guy was. He could be right under ace and marco strengh-wise.
I think the problem with the va is, that every significant power have got a short introduction before luffy entered. Except the va. So noone knows how strong they are against luffy.
Ugh, I actually added that for the whiners who get out of shape whenever you call someone weak.
why do people think pacifistas will appear. half of them were damaged by the super novas and they are still probrably protypes.
luffy is not a helpless child.he can fend for him self. V.A.s are busy and overrated at this stage.only a couple marines can give luffy some problems.
kizaru akainu smoker only have a slight advantage cause 1. they're logia 2. luffy can't use haki and
@RPG:
kizaru akainu only have a slight advantage cause 1. they're logia 2. luffy can't use haki and
You're one crazy bastard.
So hancock seems to be superior to momonga, but hell, she is superior to this wb commander too, who attacked her. And we didnt know how strong this guy was. He could be right under ace and marco strengh-wise.
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?
Back on amazon lilly momonga has huge problems with her weakest attack. I dont want to say, that hancock is superior to momonga, because neither of them wanted to fight. But it seems to me that she could beat him, if she wanted. But if they are on par, that would additionally highlight, that noone should under estimate the va.
And the gatling-guy was clearly shown as one of the commanders. His attack against her failed and seeing the fact, that his comrades were killed by her, but he didnt risk a second attack, I pressume, that he couldnt do anything against her.
So there should be nothing wrong with my post.
Ace Will Be Fine Hence In A Way wb/pa Luffy Won
wg lose
But I Have A Feeling That wb Will Die
Hence It Will Be A Draw
Also This Fight Is For New Pirate Era
And whitebeard Belong To Old Era
Hence It Looks He Will Sacrifice His Life For New Era
Where do you see a fifty-fifty chance against luffy? They havent done anything yet. So hancock seems to be superior to momonga, but hell, she is superior to this wb commander too, who attacked her. And we didnt know how strong this guy was. He could be right under ace and marco strengh-wise.
I think the problem with the va is, that every significant power have got a short introduction before luffy entered. Except the va. So noone knows how strong they are against luffy.
What proof is there that cannon-dude is a commander? You realize he was just a Spade pirate in the flashback? Really think one of Ace's gruntlings took a Division commander seat? A high single digit seat at that? Nah, any Division Captain will get a short minor intro like 13 before getting taken down.
What proof is there that cannon-dude is a commander? You realize he was just a Spade pirate in the flashback? Really think one of Ace's gruntlings took a Division commander seat? A high single digit seat at that? Nah, any Division Captain will get a short minor intro like 13 before getting taken down.
He first appeared in the spread when it is said, that the wb commanders attack in chapter 553. We have proof, that a lot of them are indeed commanders (the guy with the cylinder. the pocket-df-user. the one with the flaming sword. atmos) So it should be a safe bet, that the gatling-guy is a commander too.
Furthermore I dont know how you assume, that he was a spada pirat. I couldnt see him in the ace flashback.
We have proof, that a lot of them are indeed commanders (the guy with the cylinder. the pocket-df-user. the one with the flaming sword. atmos) So it should be a safe bet, that the gatling-guy is a commander too.
What proof?
He first appeared in the spread when it is said, that the wb commanders attack in chapter 553. We have proof, that a lot of them are indeed commanders (the guy with the cylinder. the pocket-df-user. the one with the flaming sword. atmos) So it should be a safe bet, that the gatling-guy is a commander too.
Furthermore I dont know how you assume, that he was a spada pirat. I couldnt see him in the ace flashback.
The guys at the bottom of the page with their own panels are most likely Commanders:
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-553/page005.html
The rest is speculation…
He first appeared in the spread when it is said, that the wb commanders attack in chapter 553. We have proof, that a lot of them are indeed commanders (the guy with the cylinder. the pocket-df-user. the one with the flaming sword. atmos) So it should be a safe bet, that the gatling-guy is a commander too.
Furthermore I dont know how you assume, that he was a spada pirat. I couldnt see him in the ace flashback.
Since there were over 15 pirates in the spread and only 12 commanders spots left you can only correctly assume the guys on the bottom of the page who got their own panels are Commanders. Last guy ends up being Atmos.
Um Flamesword guy was never confirmed to be a commander. Just because he was giving directions doesn't mean he is, as all 100 members of a division are likely not moving in tandem. Some more experienced guys would be giving orders&suggestions in the midst of fighting. Though I believe he very well could be a commander, its still not confirmed. Also don't know who Cylinder guy is unless you mean Apoo clone.
Gatling-gun guy was shown twice.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/552/08/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/552/09/
Unless its a different dude because the gunarm is switched and no dog/fleece shit. Though arm is switched again when he attacks Boa. Still only speculation if he's a commander or not. If he's Ace's old subordinate I doubt he passed a named dude like Atmos in rank(who probably isn't as strong as Luffy let alone close to Marco&Joz).
The guys at the bottom of the page with their own panels are most likely Commanders:
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-553/page005.htmlThe rest is speculation…
Of course it is speculation. Oda only named marco, jozu, ace, thatch and atmos as commanders.
But like you said, the guys at the bottom are indirectly confirmed. And it wouldnt make very much sense, if the pirates in the spread are only fodder. There are 16 figures, so it is clear, that some normal pirates are among them. But the chick and the cigarre-smoking guy with the flame-sword re-appear in 554, whereafter the order came to "stop the commanders". So I think the two are confirmed too.
So I believe that some other remarkable figures in the 553 spread are commanders too like for example the giant or the pacman-morningstar-guy or the gatling-guy. But until Oda show some division numbers or names this is pure speculation.
@ryuksgelus: I dont think that the gatlingguy is the same as in aces flashback. and the flamesword guy seems to be a divison commander to me. But maybe you are right and i am wrong. There are just a few facts and little evidence now.
The guy with the gattling fires at Hancock but we never actually see her take him out. Only random fodder.
The guy with the gattling fires at Hancock but we never actually see her take him out. Only random fodder.
Yeah but if he could take out his gun she could probably kick his ass. I mean, the weapon was the most distinctive thing about him after all.
it is obvious that the marines are going to win. If the marines lose then they lose control over their part of the world then the whole world is controlled is by pirates and there is no story. I bet you that whitebeard is going to die while saving ace and then ace is going to be the captain of the whitebeard crew.
it is obvious that the marines are going to win. If the marines lose then they lose control over their part of the world then the whole world is controlled is by pirates and there is no story. I bet you that whitebeard is going to die while saving ace and then ace is going to be the captain of the whitebeard crew.
looks at sig and avatar right you're not biased. lol
Ace is second division. marco is first. If he dies which i don't think he will marco will take control over the WB pirates
@RPG:
Ace is second division. marco is first. If he dies which i don't think he will marco will take control over the WB pirates
Well, the special thing here is that it has been said that Whitebeard wanted to make Ace the next pirate king and that besides Ace pretty much everyone knew it. So many of the WB Pirates and the NW Pirates might be ok with it. Heck, most of them even seemed to have come for Ace himself for being the guy that he is.
Well, the special thing here is that it has been said that Whitebeard wanted to make Ace the next pirate king and that besides Ace pretty much everyone knew it. So many of the WB Pirates and the NW Pirates might be ok with it. Heck, most of them even seemed to have come for Ace himself for being the guy that he is.
This, plus we also know that Ace had his own Spades crew prior to joining Whitebeard. So he has experience being a captain and there are likely other former Spades pirates in WB's crew.
Something all great wars have, is a name. Just as the world wars became know as the World Wars, the Principality of Zeon's war of 'independence' on the Earth Federation became known as the One Year War. What I wonder, is if this war for the sake of Ace will receive a name or not, and what y'dudes suspect it might be titled?
Discuss!
We'll probably find out when it ends. If the Marines win, it'll probably be called the "Whitebeard War" or the "War for Justice" or something, but if the pirates win it could be called the "Revolutionary War" or something. Either way, we know this is going to change the course of events the series takes, regardless of what name it carries.
It'll be known henceforth as "that day Whitebeard died"
"Mihawk can't cut diamond" xD
"Moria = OWNED"
It shall be known as "World War I"
The Great Powers War.
The War for Justice.
The Era Changing War.
The Marineford War.
Garp vs Whitebeard 2-This time its personal
It shall be known as "World War I"
It won't be a World War until things start happening at other places than Marineford.
Besides, we all know it will be called the "P Day". P as in Pwngoat.
The War Mostly About Ace.
…...Judgement day........
"The war that wasn't worth the effort"
That War About Trying To Rescue That Guy That Wouldn't Stop Bitchin'
"The war where this rookie flew out of the sky, did some crazy shit, and then left."
Depends on the outcome, I hope Dofla has something to do with the naming. Maybe it will be called "the battle of Marejoia" or maybe the battle or flowers.
The battle of eternal justice**.**