Chapter 961: The Mountain God Incident
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The poor boar just wanted to rescue her offspring.
Kind of a bummer when you think about it.
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She's the true Flashback Martyr.
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So, Zoro was raised in an enviroment, where anti-authoritarian three-sword-style left Ex-Wanokunians to cry of joy in secret.
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Seeing how Oden was easily misinterpreted actions, I wonder if when Yasuie said to Zoro "You're just worried about my throat", it was because of the way Oden was.
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After fighting a monstrous boar and being exiled from his hometown, Kozuki Oden must travel across the land to find a cure for his curse and see with eyes unclouded by hate… wait no, wrong story, that's not right. Pack it up.
Denjiro is easily the most intriguing character of the flashback so far. There are plenty ideas of who he could be in the present floating around, but I can't see anything concretely connecting him to anyone we've seen. I think it's likely he could be the Witching Hour Boy or someone else we haven't seen the face of yet, and his prominence so early in the flashback will allow him to catch up to the rest of the Scabbards in characterisation, given he's been introduced so late. And it'll surely be a relevant part of the story to come when Oda explains why he's been in hiding for so long.
I wonder what colour young Kinemon's hair is gonna turn out to be, just as a thought. Given what we've seen of Wano so far it could be basically any colour, a real wildcard. Did his hair turn black as he got older, or did he dye it after coming to the future to keep make the ruse of being Momo's father more believable?
I feel a little bad for the Mountain God here. It was just trying to protect its (very cute) baby, and that horizontal bisection feels like an absolutely brutal way to die. (The use of a ladder to get people out of its belly in the background of the next page is great attention to detail though.) Oden really doesn't hold anything back, does he? Him taking the blame for Kinemon's actions was interesting. Not sure whether to read it as a mercy, as he has clout to spare and can take the heat when Kin might not be able to, or just another way to get all the attention and stir up trouble. Probably a little of both.
And then Orochi is introduced. Hard to say if his life has actually been as rough as his grubby appearance would suggest or if he's just a sycophant sucking up to power in hopes of stealing some even this early. I think the latter. He stands in stark contrast to Oden. Oden acts brash and obnoxious, but ultimately stands tall and walks free and powerful, mildly shunned but secretly admired, while Orochi goes out of his way to be useful and cooperative, but ends up rolling in the dirt, being confined to servitude, and is instantly mistrusted. It's absolutely tragic to know he's going to come out ahead by the end of the flashback.
With only two chapters likely left for volume 95, Oda's going to have to pick up the pace to find a big development to end it on. I don't think we're going to get two more chapters of individual Scabbard intros, things are going to start to accelerate towards Oden's time as a pirate starting from the next chapter.
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Woah, Oden is a lot harsher to Orochi in the Viz version.
"Get rid of that one uncle, he's a little creep".
What a jerk!
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Am I the only one who thinks denjiro looks kind of like a kid version of Zoro's teacher? I'm not saying he is, just that he looks that way
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Also googled what a gatebox is.
And I thought Alexa was creepy.
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Am I the only one who thinks denjiro looks kind of like a kid version of Zoro's teacher? I'm not saying he is, just that he looks that way
Many people have commented the same thing. I don't agree with the theory myself.
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I liked this chapter slightly better than the last, mainly because Oden is not cooking food off corpses anymore. I also like Orochi's origins. He always seemed out of place; his crown looks like is almost made of paper.
I still don't give a damn about Oden, but like.. we'll see where this goes. RIP innocent boar father looking for his child.Also googled what a gatebox is.
And I thought Alexa was creepy.
I'm starting to get legitimately worried for the japanese people. This "loneliness epidemic" is no joke, huh? Free e-waifus for everyone, Mr. Abe, PLEASE!
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Woah, Oden is a lot harsher to Orochi in the Viz version.
"Get rid of that one uncle, he's a little creep".
What a jerk!
He could sense the inner evil.
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Woah, Oden is a lot harsher to Orochi in the Viz version.
"Get rid of that one uncle, he's a little creep".
What a jerk!
Well, he stated the fact. The way Orochi was trying to buttering up was quite creepy.
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@Johnny:
He could sense the inner evil.
No no no, you gotta say it like; At age 18, Kozuki Oden awekened the ability to smell the scent of evil-doers.
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I wonder whether Yusuei had other children. 41 years ago he looked like in his early 30's.Toko is just a small girl of age 8-9 years. May be Toko is not his biological child, rather adopted as an orphan.
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He had to slay the boar to save all the poeple inside him. He was not really innocent.
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I'm looking forward to learning more of Orochi.
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Also googled what a gatebox is.
And I thought Alexa was creepy.
Hey. It's that one thing.
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/12/28/health/rise-of-digisexuals-intl/index.html
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Ewww…Creepy doesn't even begin to describe that thing (re: Gatebox).
Also it didn't strike me before, but since Papa/Mama Boar died in the flashback...Doesn't this make White Piglet Wano's first serious Nakama candidate ? Tragic past, certain to stand out among the somewhat bland Wano cast, beats Chopper by a good length as emergency food, brings onboard its unique and efficient approach to waste disposal, probably dreams of eating all the trash in the world (the fabled All Rot continent). Not even the Sunny's doors are going to be a problem, since they'll have to be refitted for Jinbei anyway. Come on Oda, Pig God for nakama !
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Also it didn't strike me before, but since Papa/Mama Boar died in the flashback…Doesn't this make White Piglet Wano's first serious Nakama candidate ?
I doubt he's still alive. A real life boar has a life expectancy somewhere from five to ten years. Let it be 20-30 One Piece years. If he didn't die under natural circumstances, someone probably ate him.
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I doubt he's still alive. A real life boar has a life expectancy somewhere from five to ten years. Let it be 20-30 One Piece years. If he didn't die under natural circumstances, someone probably ate him.
Well, it's a breed of boar that grows to the size of a mountain and large animals tends to live more.
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Didn't Nola live for like 500 years?
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Well, he stated the fact. The way Orochi was trying to buttering up was quite creepy.
You still don't ask for people to get fired over something like that. That's the difference between the viz version and Jaimini's.
But yeah, it's probably like Johnny B. Decent noted, Oden the demigod sensed his "evil" or some bs. He has the voice of all things, I assume. The Oden-voice-of-all-things, which is naturally better than the normal voice of all things. Like Oden-2-swords-style is superior to the regular 2-swords-style.
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Would be funny if orochi did all of this only because of all the hatered/disgust oden showed towards him over decades, he was not bad at first.
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Didn't Nola live for like 500 years?
Yeah! Life expectancy and size of animals in OP world are unpredictable.
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@uniaka:
Would be funny if orochi did all of this only because of all the hatered/disgust oden showed towards him over decades, he was not bad at first.
But he had great debt to Oden. Which means at some point Oden saved his life/his skin.
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You still don't ask for people to get fired over something like that. That's the difference between the viz version and Jaimini's.
But yeah, it's probably like Johnny B. Decent noted, Oden the demigod sensed his "evil" or some bs. He has the voice of all things, I assume. The Oden-voice-of-all-things, which is naturally better than the normal voice of all things. Like Oden-2-swords-style is superior to the regular 2-swords-style.
I believe Oda want to impress upon us the fact that Oden was a kind of character( at least young Oden) who didn't give a damn. Such personality usually rubs some people in wrong way( and in this case many readers as well I guess ) . Also the continuous hype doesn't help it either. I suspect Oda is doing it on purpose. Most likely he is really trying to show how a free spirited Oden couldn't contain his feelings of being cramped up in a small land and vented out his frustration in such haughty manners. Once he meets WB and Roger, we will see the slow change in his character.
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I think what Oda is going for with Oden is more comparable to quasi-mythical figures like Noland/Calgara and Fisher Tiger than a normal flashback parental figure like, say, Rosinante. His 'greatness' is emphasized so much because in this case the legend is more important than the man for the narrative. How can Momo fill those absurdly big shoes? How can the scabbards deal with the loss of such a standout leader? What does his absence mean for Wano? Probably the most over-the-top hyping of character we've ever had but arguably the entire point of his story.
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I bet the soup made of Oden tastes amazing. Better than any other soup without Oden in it.
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You gotta love how the whole thing is set up like the little petty normal people are in the wrong for finding this guy annoying. Like imagine living next door to a guy who acts like him, this whole his greatness can't be contained angle can only work when you write the entire story contingent on him always having a convenient out from whatever bullshit that comes as a result of someone being like this. Like oh wow this is really mean, but what if the guy he was cruel to had it coming. Everything needs an excuse to cover up for the fact that people like that would realisticly be a fucking nightmare
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You gotta love how the whole thing is set up like the little petty normal people are in the wrong for finding this guy annoying. Like imagine living next door to a guy who acts like him, this whole his greatness can't be contained angle can only work when you write the entire story contingent on him always having a convenient out from whatever bullshit that comes as a result of someone being like this. Like oh wow this is really mean, but what if the guy he was cruel to had it coming. Everything needs an excuse to cover up for the fact that people like that would realisticly be a fucking nightmare
To be fair, most normal people in the OP World probably couldn't put up with Luffy for too long, either.
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You gotta love how the whole thing is set up like the little petty normal people are in the wrong for finding this guy annoying. Like imagine living next door to a guy who acts like him, this whole his greatness can't be contained angle can only work when you write the entire story contingent on him always having a convenient out from whatever bullshit that comes as a result of someone being like this. Like oh wow this is really mean, but what if the guy he was cruel to had it coming. Everything needs an excuse to cover up for the fact that people like that would realisticly be a fucking nightmare
I don't see it like that at all. He got disowned for a reason. He says they can't handle him, and well, he's not wrong. You say he'd realistically be a nightmare, but well, even for One Piece's standards, he was essentially viewed that way. People generally avoid him, and he got disowned, I don't think we should lose sight of the fact that he actually is facing consequences for his behavior.
At the same time, he's obviously not this irredeemable menace to society, and the flashback is covering that progression. Neither is it really wrong for some of the citizens to secretly find him to be kind of cool. Like in the other thread some were taking issue with the fact that some of the citizens were impressed with Oden effortlessly slaying the mountain god. But from their perspective (and us readers), it actually was pretty badass, so I don't see the issue with some admitting that in their inner thoughts.
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I'm more interested in getting answers tied to the current events, but the derision for how Oda handles the admiration Oden gets is hilarious.
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I'm amazed how much I don't care about Oden. No matter how many times others say it, you can't just tell the audience a character's cool and get away with it, Oda.
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@Johnny:
To be fair, most normal people in the OP World probably couldn't put up with Luffy for too long, either.
Quite true. But Luffy is more like Steve Urkel annoying.
I don't see it like that at all. He got disowned for a reason. He says they can't handle him, and well, he's not wrong. You say he'd realistically be a nightmare, but well, even for One Piece's standards, he was essentially viewed that way. People generally avoid him, and he got disowned, I don't think we should lose sight of the fact that he actually is facing consequences for his behavior.
At the same time, he's obviously not this irredeemable menace to society, and the flashback is covering that progression. Neither is it really wrong for some of the citizens to secretly find him to be kind of cool. Like in the other thread some were taking issue with the fact that some of the citizens were impressed with Oden effortlessly slaying the mountain god. But from their perspective (and us readers), it actually was pretty badass, so I don't see the issue with some admitting that in their inner thoughts.
Eh. Consequences like go and be a disaster in some other province feels pretty lax. But then again nobody can enforce holding him accountable so what else could be done.
I'm more interested in getting answers tied to the current events, but the derision for how Oda handles the admiration Oden gets is hilarious.
Best snark bait we've had in ages.
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I am beginning to wonder, if Oda does not do all the hype on purpose.
Maybe it will be tied into the eventual downfall of Oden, that he had been too overconfident, too much self-centered and not been able to look at the larger picture and that the people around him had been blended by his personality and failed to see the stormclouds.
It would be all the more tragic, that Oden might have some epic final death scene like WB or Roger, but in contrast to those two he might realize at the very end that his actions and failures were not just responsible for his own death, but that it had thrown all of Wano into the abyss.
It might even contrast with Orochi, who had been introduced as an utter joke, but who turns out to be pretty savvy for a OP antagonist and is not underestimating his opponents.
Or how Luffy, the supposedly new Yonkou directly went to challenge Kaido and paid the price (but luckily had enough plot armor)I mean, post TS One Piece had been pretty clearly black and white, but the BigMom arc had introduce a bit of grey again, so I would really love to see Oda adressing the more shadowry parts of Odens personality and what it means if someone like that would become a national leader.
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You gotta love how the whole thing is set up like the little petty normal people are in the wrong for finding this guy annoying. Like imagine living next door to a guy who acts like him, this whole his greatness can't be contained angle can only work when you write the entire story contingent on him always having a convenient out from whatever bullshit that comes as a result of someone being like this. Like oh wow this is really mean, but what if the guy he was cruel to had it coming. Everything needs an excuse to cover up for the fact that people like that would realisticly be a fucking nightmare
He is still better then the generic badass like mohawk that is too serious for his own good. Oden at least is treated more like a gag, similar to franky and mister pink pushed to extreme, and is already more fun then 900 chapters in mihawk after only 2 flashback chapters.
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@uniaka:
He is still better then the generic badass like mohawk that is too serious for his own good. Oden at least is treated more like a gag, similar to franky and mister pink pushed to extreme, and is already more fun then 900 chapters in mihawk after only 2 flashback chapters.
I would say the problem is that it doesn't seem to be a gag but something we supposed to take straight.
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I would say the problem is that it doesn't seem to be a gag but something we supposed to take straight.
I'd say it's both. He's done a lot of hype/impressive stuff, but you will not convince me that stuff like him throwing a wet nurse before he turned 1 or the "Harem Revolt" isn't Oda playing it up for the sake of humor.
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I'd say it's both. He's done a lot of hype/impressive stuff, but you will not convince me that stuff like him throwing a wet nurse before he turned 1 or the "Harem Revolt" isn't Oda playing it up for the sake of humor.
I dunno I feel like he is supposed to be seen as a mytical figure that people couldn't helpt but be attracted to hence the background. I mean Oda just did monster child with Big Mom so it doesn't surprise me he would use it again. He just did it less elegantly.
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Heck it might be a reference to Japenese folklore or Hercules.
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I am beginning to wonder, if Oda does not do all the hype on purpose.
Maybe it will be tied into the eventual downfall of Oden, that he had been too overconfident, too much self-centered and not been able to look at the larger picture and that the people around him had been blended by his personality and failed to see the stormclouds.
It would be all the more tragic, that Oden might have some epic final death scene like WB or Roger, but in contrast to those two he might realize at the very end that his actions and failures were not just responsible for his own death, but that it had thrown all of Wano into the abyss.
It might even contrast with Orochi, who had been introduced as an utter joke, but who turns out to be pretty savvy for a OP antagonist and is not underestimating his opponents.
Or how Luffy, the supposedly new Yonkou directly went to challenge Kaido and paid the price (but luckily had enough plot armor)I mean, post TS One Piece had been pretty clearly black and white, but the BigMom arc had introduce a bit of grey again, so I would really love to see Oda adressing the more shadowry parts of Odens personality and what it means if someone like that would become a national leader.
I don't really see Oden as this shadowy figure. After all, he got disowned for something he didn't do, except that's what he wanted. He's a bit of a strange character.
In any case, it does seem that the point of Oden is to be a character that represents everything Wano's conservative society goes against. A character that wants to be free, and have his country follow suit, but is otherwise too immature to do anything about it. The Wano people are attracted to him and his ideals, but their country values and peer pressure prevent them from doing so.
This reflects a big issue in current Japan, where the population is currently self-destructing over its most nationalistic policies and poor treatment of workers (Japanese corporate culture is the stuff of nightmares, something Oda himself is part of), which is reflected through Udon and all the slave work featured so far. There's no way to properly convey that into a grey vs. grey conflict, as one side is way more likely to lead to ruin.
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I dunno I feel like he is supposed to be seen as a mytical figure that people couldn't helpt but be attracted to hence the background. I mean Oda just did monster child with Big Mom so it doesn't surprise me he would use it again. He just did it less elegantly.
Big Mom's feats were presented as being terrifying for her age, especially due to her not grasping just how strong she is. Whereas the context/framing for Oden is different that he's portrayed more as this Herculean badass. Between the two, the latter just lends itself easier to hilariously outrageous feats, that also make it clear and concise that he's a bit of a menace.
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It's just bad writing, that's the simple answer to it. No smoke and mirrors or ulterior motive or some grand thing about it. He did a chapter where a character does unneeded, sideline exposition and now he's doing some herculean send-up and it just ends up being pathetic in its way of grabbing you by the throat and telling you "isn't he so cool?"
I just hope it gets better instead of continuing to be so heavy handed and talky.
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Didn't he literally done this before with Kyros?
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Didn't he literally done this before with Kyros?
Not really. Kyros was portrayed as strong not a messiah. Also he wasn't dodgning raindrops at 6 years or something similarly precocious. The person trying to arrest him saw him as murderer and his wife hated him and he himself felt bad about killing a man. He was a person who happened to be strong.
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After all, he got disowned for something he didn't do, except that's what he wanted.
Maybe i misunderstood it but i thought it felt like he was already being disowned before porkmageddon ever came about.
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Exactly, last chap, some official guy gave the disown reasons to Oden's father. And now the messenger gave them to Oden.
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It looks like even when Oden was 18 years old, he already mastered Enma, that looked like CoA Haki when he sliced the giant boar's teeth.
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Haters gonna hate, I'm loving Oden and this flashback already.
Granted, Oda probably should've been more subtle with the in-series praise this chapter (I think it was fine in present day Wano though, since most of it came from the mouths of the Scabbards and other people who knew and loved him for years) but the guy's got enough feats and personality to buy into it.
Also, Kinemon was great this chapter. The guy needed a good moment and he finally got one fighting against the boar.
Can't wait to see more of Orochi too.
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Regarding the cover story, I think the one smooching anyone to death was… Queen!
Not Kaidou's Queen though, but Doffy's Queen (the one with the vacuum cleaner).
After Franky kissed her, she probably searched for another one who could kiss like him. -
Regarding the cover story, I think the one smooching anyone to death was… Queen!
Not Kaidou's Queen though, but Doffy's Queen (the one with the vacuum cleaner).
After Franky kissed her, she probably searched for another one who could kiss like him.Shouldnt she be in prison though?
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Shouldnt she be in prison though?
I honestly don't know.
If it's indeed Lola, this behaviour is suspicious. And the only alternative that came to my mind was Doffy's Queen.