James Gunn has been given back the movie taken from him for no good reason in the first place! Now, will they give him a Volume 4?
Marvel Movies Thread - Holy Shitballs
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Hey, now he directs both the suicide squad and guardians team up movies, lmao. Props to disney to admit their mistake at least, even if it took a while.
I just hope both movies will have a different feel between them.
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Am I remembering incorrectly or wasn't Kevin Feige being on vacation at the time and thus unable to point out how stupid it was to react that way a big part of why he got fired in the first place?
Complicating things since 2009.
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So Disney changed their mind?
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I just think there was just some overreaction about the entire James Gunn thing. I mean did anyone look at his past resume which includes the movies, Tromeo and Juliet and Super. Anyway, its good news that he's back to direct Guardians of the Galaxy 3.
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This is about money, and him being marketable enough/crime not actually criminal to work.
Also, the fact that they are retiring 2 Chrises and RDJ, and him going straight to DC might have scared them about the posiblities for phase 4.
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How long until WB goes: Wait a minute now all of a sudden you are ready to jump ship again, not pull your full heart into suicide squad and if making that movie a success, not be available for a suicide squad 3, but rather doing marvel movies instead? Get the hell out Gunn…
Who knows how they feel about the sony superman dark parody, and maybe they barely tolerated that one already and this could be the final straw.
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As long as he never diddled anyone i'm a-okay with it
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As long as he never diddled anyone i'm a-okay with it
Same here, the whole situation was so blown out of proportion. He made edgy jokes a decade ago, apologized for them long before he was even hired by disney and they still made a circus out of it.
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Remember:
! Thor's life was bought with the teseract, the space gem.
Tony's life was bought with the eye of agamoto, the time gem
Nova's life was bought with the info of the soul gem, paid in Gamora's life
Can't remember the intense details of the capture of the mind gem, but a trade was denied there, Wanda sacrificed Vision to keep the gem out of Thanos' reach and it didn't take.
! now:
If the collector is alive, his life was bought with the aether, the reality gem.
Some rando could have also payed a life with the power gem, a nova corp. -
I would like him to do Suicide Squat first. Some of the Marvel sequels have been coming out too fast. I want the actors to grow older etc.
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i'll post my full thoughts on Captain Marvel some other time. I saw it last thurday, and really liked it overall. Not one of my favorites, but still enjoyable. I think this would have felt much better for me had it come at the end of Phase 2, kind of like where Ant-Man ended up coming out. It just feels odd in retrospect for such a powerful gamechanging hero to be introduced in an ominous way, and then to get a very "phase 1" feeling solo film.
I was actually very surprised and happy with the references to Agents of SHIELD made in it. Nothing huge and nothing too plot relevant, but in specifics with things with the Kree
! The inhibitor chip in Carol reminds me of the ones put on the Inhumans in the future held under the Kree as slaves.
! The second one, and bigger one, is the use of Kree blood. While the movie never specified if Carol died after the accident, or was simply severely injured, it was shown in Agents of SHIELD that Kree blood can heal people of life threatening injuries(Daisy in season 1) or revive someone dead for over a week(Coulson). And in Coulson's case, he also had his memory tampered with as it was shown that others revived without the initial memory tampering would go crazy and start writing in Kree.
! Incidentally, the movie does actually serve as a nice round way of how Furry would know to make medicine from Kree blood. And of course, the idea of Project TAHITI(using Kree blood) was to revive a fallen Avenger. It makes sense that Furry would know of how to revive an Avenger, based on Carol "The Avenger"'s experience -
i'll post my full thoughts on Captain Marvel some other time. I saw it last thurday, and really liked it overall. Not one of my favorites, but still enjoyable. I think this would have felt much better for me had it come at the end of Phase 2, kind of like where Ant-Man ended up coming out. It just feels odd in retrospect for such a powerful gamechanging hero to be introduced in an ominous way, and then to get a very "phase 1" feeling solo film.
I was actually very surprised and happy with the references to Agents of SHIELD made in it. Nothing huge and nothing too plot relevant, but in specifics with things with the Kree
! The inhibitor chip in Carol reminds me of the ones put on the Inhumans in the future held under the Kree as slaves.
! The second one, and bigger one, is the use of Kree blood. While the movie never specified if Carol died after the accident, or was simply severely injured, it was shown in Agents of SHIELD that Kree blood can heal people of life threatening injuries(Daisy in season 1) or revive someone dead for over a week(Coulson). And in Coulson's case, he also had his memory tampered with as it was shown that others revived without the initial memory tampering would go crazy and start writing in Kree.
! Incidentally, the movie does actually serve as a nice round way of how Furry would know to make medicine from Kree blood. And of course, the idea of Project TAHITI(using Kree blood) was to revive a fallen Avenger. It makes sense that Furry would know of how to revive an Avenger, based on Carol "The Avenger"'s experience! Good point, although we already saw a similar control disc used in Thor: Ragnarok too. Those appeared far more effective at controlling the subject compared to Carol's which burnt off, while Thor's strongest powerup didn't manage to fry his. The Kree could have benefited from some of Sakaar's technology. Should have made friends with the Grandmaster, LOL.
! I didn't understand that bit about Carol's nose bleeding blue blood in her very first flashback, or why she saw a Skrull shooting her and Mar-Vell when it was Yon-Rogg. Yon-Rogg revealed that he gave her a transfusion of his own blood when he met with the impostor, but it wasn't clear WHY that was the case or why it had any significance since she didn't get her power from that the way Inhumans did, it came from the infusion of energy from the Tesseract engine (the first known instance of a human being empowered by an Infinity Stone, even before Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver) and the way it looked, she didn't appear to have been ripped apart by the blast, but either needed blood anyway or giving her the transfusion would give them some means of controlling her. Like maybe that inhibitor thing wouldn't work without her having some Kree DNA or something. It didn't make a lot of sense there.
! That said, I don't really know what would make Fury think that Kree blood could revive or heal humans. To my recollection, the only dead aliens they had any specimens of were Skrulls, and Carol's transfusion played so little significance that it doesn't really wash. So whatever Kree they recovered after the fact that was used for TAHITI had to have been found later on and any effects its blood had on people had to have been stumbled upon entirely by accident. I wouldn't mind seeing that flashback explored on Agents of SHIELD but this movie didn't prep us for all that on its own. Even if Fury assumed that Kree blood was allegedly compatible with human (if Carol really needed it after the blast), there's no way that would be a viable hypothesis because she was empowered by the Tesseract and other humans weren't, so there's that major physiological difference to consider. -
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How does the Disney stock go down after acquiring FOX?
Originally Posted by Nightwing
Stay focused, cause right now you have a decision to make. Are you a man perpetually looking back at what he’s lost, or a man looking forward, to what he might become?
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How does the Disney stock go down after acquiring FOX?
Because it's Fox.
I don't know if anyone has had a similar experience at Captain Marvel, but I started a wave of clapping among the other theater patrons at the end of the logo where it said "Thank You, Stan", both times I saw it. I literally just clapped twice and it started the whole theater applauding, which I thought was kind of funny, so when I went to see it the second time, I did it again just to see if I could get the same kind of reaction, and it was even more raucous of an applause the second time. I can't wait to see what Endgame does so I can experiment with audience manipulation some more. LOL.
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How does the Disney stock go down after acquiring FOX?
I like to think it might have something to do with them closing down Fox 2000 studios and laying off people following the merger but the Stock market has never been my forte.
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Watched Captain Marvel. Was never bored and there wasn't any development I disliked, but it still wasn't a very memorable film overall. The villain being boring is basically a crime for a Phase 3 Marvel film. A movie I would buy at a thrift store and watch to kill time.
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I watched parts of Cap Marvel. I enjoyed the hell out of Fury especially with the cat(there's really no trace of the guy he will become) and Carol wasn't bad she even had some good lines. I also enjoyed old shield despite how obvious the joke is.
I really enjoyed the family. Shame she wasn't in more.
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I'm sorry, it's too funny.
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Endgame reported to be 3 hours long. Holy….
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Endgame reported to be 3 hours long. Holy….
Infinity War was 2 and a half hours. Which makes sense when you have a million characters to juggle.
That was also too damn long when the entire movie was death, death, death, death, death.
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I don't mind at all. It's the end of a 21 movie saga. It has earned this length.
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I don't mind at all. It's the end of a 21 movie saga. It has earned this length.
Except its not. Like 80% of the brands still have loose ends and will keep going after.
Its almost certainly the end for Tony and Steve, because Downey feels he's getting too old, and Evans is tired of the constant work outs and wants to direct) but everyone else is up in the air and can keep going. Thor might be done but Helmsworth has indicated he's cool with doing it more if they do more things like Ragnarok. Hulk is CGI so it doesn't matter how long Ruffallo stays on but since he doesn't have to be in super good shape he could do it for a while.) Strange, Panther, Spiderman, Marvel, Guardians, probably Ant-Man are all getting more films. The cast of Cap's franchise can continue without him. Black Widow is getting her own movie.
It will be a wrap to the Infinity Stones stuff, and the final Stan Lee cameo, so there is that.
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I can take this movie being 3 hour long, but for the love of Stan Lee, please, put an interlude in the middle to pee, a proper true interlude, not a quiet scene that last too long.
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If this film is as engaging as Infinity War was, I don't mind the length. Infinity War's 2 1/2 hours just flew by for me, I was just too entertained by basically every scene. And tonight I'll finally see Captain Marvel! I'm stoked!
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Except its not. Like 80% of the brands still have loose ends and will keep going after.
Its almost certainly the end for Tony and Steve, because Downey feels he's getting too old, and Evans is tired of the constant work outs and wants to direct) but everyone else is up in the air and can keep going. Thor might be done but Helmsworth has indicated he's cool with doing it more if they do more things like Ragnarok. Hulk is CGI so it doesn't matter how long Ruffallo stays on but since he doesn't have to be in super good shape he could do it for a while.) Strange, Panther, Spiderman, Marvel, Guardians, probably Ant-Man are all getting more films. The cast of Cap's franchise can continue without him. Black Widow is getting her own movie.
It will be a wrap to the Infinity Stones stuff, and the final Stan Lee cameo, so there is that.
It's 100 percent the end of a saga. You'd think on a One Piece forum folks would understand the connotations that word has, but I'll just leave this article which describes an interview in which Kevin Fiege explicitly names the first three phases of the MCU The Infinity Saga. If it wasn't by name, I feel that Captain Marvel being positioned as a second sort of beginning, and once again, being framed around the tesseract, is proof enough that the stones are what binds these stories together, as much as the Avengers themselves.
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A proper saga is more closed off than that. It has a very specific beginning, middle and end. The pieces are more a part of that story.
In this a huuuge chunk of the pieces are going to still be flying around after. Maybe if Guardians 3 was wrapped inside of it so that everything in that plot thread was an actual end for it, if there was no chance of more Thor, if they hadn't JUST started five other franchises to continue afterward, it'd be different. Maybe if Hulk or Thor 2 or Spiderman:Homecoming had anything to do with the rest of it. Maybe if the big plot threads JUST started in Strange and Marvel weren't so looming.
It's definitely the end of the current story arc, but too many pieces are separated and still ongoing to fairly lump it all together under a single umbrella of a finished saga when massive chunks of story won't be finished off by it, and other parts had little to nothing to do with it overall.
It's 100 percent the end of a saga. You'd think on a One Piece forum folks would understand the connotations that word has,
One Piece fans also insist Water 7, Enies Lobby, and Water 7 return are separate story arcs, that Skypeia and Foxy are filler, and try to label the entirety of the pretimeskip as the "Super Rookies Saga", and has no idea how to break up the New World stuff. Plus, prior to the timeskip, they labeled things "East Blue Saga" "Alabasta Saga" "Skypeia Saga" etc, and then decided after the timeskip they were just arcs after all. The One Piece community is nuts when it comes to labels.
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A proper saga is more closed off than that. It has a very specific beginning, middle and end. The pieces are more a part of that story.
In this a huuuge chunk of the pieces are going to still be flying around after. Maybe if Guardians 3 was wrapped inside of it so that everything in that plot thread was an actual end for it, if there was no chance of more Thor, if they hadn't JUST started five other franchises to continue afterward, it'd be different. Maybe if Hulk or Thor 2 or Spiderman:Homecoming had anything to do with the rest of it. Maybe if the big plot threads JUST started in Strange and Marvel weren't so looming.
It's definitely the end of the current story arc, but too many pieces are separated and still ongoing to fairly lump it all together under a single umbrella of a finished saga when massive chunks of story won't be finished off by it, and other parts had little to nothing to do with it overall.
One Piece fans also insist Water 7, Enies Lobby, and Water 7 return are separate story arcs, that Skypeia and Foxy are filler, and try to label the entirety of the pretimeskip as the "Super Rookies Saga", and has no idea how to break up the New World stuff. Plus, prior to the timeskip, they labeled things "East Blue Saga" "Alabasta Saga" "Skypeia Saga" etc, and then decided after the timeskip they were just arcs after all. The One Piece community is nuts when it comes to labels.
You have a narrow definition of what a saga is and all the paragraphs in the world you write aren't going to convince me that Kevin Fiege, the actual visionary and leader behind the MCU, is wrong in calling the first 22 parts a saga instead of an arc.
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A narrow definition would be to say it can only apply properly to Viking stories and written in Old Norse, written in Eddaic Verse. Because technically, that's the only thing that really falls under the definition.
If you go with the broader more modern version "non realistic epic work of fiction that cover a history" or "a long story of heroic achievement" or "a long, involved story, account, or series of incidents." that's fine, it fits.
But since you very specifically liken it to "the One Piece community knowing about sagas" that's awful because the OP fandom developed bad habits from the Dragonball fandom and throws around the word willy nilly. It still doesn't cover the fact that huge chunks of the story being left out and continuing afterward mean that it's not a proper full set. Dragonball as a whole, can be considered an epic or a saga, but if you want to insist that there was a Tao Pai Pai Saga, that's just silly, but you have to start drawing arbitrary lines because what's the difference between the first Buggy story and the current Wano story aside from length? Both are made up of multiple chapters and follow several plot threads, but no one is going to call Syrupp Village or Baratie a saga, all of East Blue tends to get lumped together. But things like Dresserossa or Big Mom get to be sagas because they cross some arbitrary chapter count mark?
You can call it saga for now, but what will you then call the entire Marvel CU when its all said and done after 50 or 70 or 100 movies and 20 years? Will you, like One Piece, take all the things that were once "sagas" and then demote them down to just "arcs"? Guardians 3 will obviously deal with the fallout of the movie and all the characters will be affected in probably their last outing… will that be lumped in as part of the Thanos stuff as an epilogue, or will it be part of the next thing no matter how unconnected it is? Captain Marvel clearly is going to have a 20 year gap in her history, so if her next movie still involves her fighting kree and skrulls, and is set ten years ago while Thanos is still around, does that count, or is it separate because it's after and technically a flashback?
What's your dividing line on Star Wars? Is the original trilogy a saga? Sure. Are the prequels and the original trilogy and the current series a saga? Probably, that makes sense if you count the original... but if as a whole unit they're a saga, then does that retroactively make the middle three just an arc? What about Solo, Rebels, Clone Wars, Rogue One? Are they part of the saga, or are they separate?
Kevin Feige's intent is clear, and that's fine. But it's not the proper term. I'm not sure what is because there aren't a whole lot of examples of this specific thing of a big unconnected multipart story within a universe, certainly not in movies, but no one looks at the Infinity Gauntlet comics and calls them the "saga". They just call it the story, or the arc, or the multiparter, or the crossover, or the event, or even "the trade." No one considers an individual storyline in ongoing comics as a saga unto itself, except maybe for the 9 volumes of ALan Moore Swamp Thing, and even there that was decided decades later for the trades when it was realized it basically had a self contained start and end point with little tie to anything else in continuity.
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If it's three hours long, I'm sure it's for a reason. The Russos know how edit a tight film, I don't think they're the type to needlessly pad a film like Peter Jackson.
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A narrow definition would be to say it can only apply properly to Viking stories and written in Old Norse, written in Eddaic Verse. Because technically, that's the only thing that really falls under the definition.
If you go with the broader more modern version "non realistic epic work of fiction that cover a history" or "a long story of heroic achievement" or "a long, involved story, account, or series of incidents." that's fine, it fits.
But since you very specifically liken it to "the One Piece community knowing about sagas" that's awful because the OP fandom developed bad habits from the Dragonball fandom and throws around the word willy nilly. It still doesn't cover the fact that huge chunks of the story being left out and continuing afterward mean that it's not a proper full set. Dragonball as a whole, can be considered an epic or a saga, but if you want to insist that there was a Tao Pai Pai Saga, that's just silly, but you have to start drawing arbitrary lines because what's the difference between the first Buggy story and the current Wano story aside from length? Both are made up of multiple chapters and follow several plot threads, but no one is going to call Syrupp Village or Baratie a saga, all of East Blue tends to get lumped together. But things like Dresserossa or Big Mom get to be sagas because they cross some arbitrary chapter count mark?
You can call it saga for now, but what will you then call the entire Marvel CU when its all said and done after 50 or 70 or 100 movies and 20 years? Will you, like One Piece, take all the things that were once "sagas" and then demote them down to just "arcs"? Guardians 3 will obviously deal with the fallout of the movie and all the characters will be affected in probably their last outing… will that be lumped in as part of the Thanos stuff as an epilogue, or will it be part of the next thing no matter how unconnected it is? Captain Marvel clearly is going to have a 20 year gap in her history, so if her next movie still involves her fighting kree and skrulls, and is set ten years ago while Thanos is still around, does that count, or is it separate because it's after and technically a flashback?
What's your dividing line on Star Wars? Is the original trilogy a saga? Sure. Are the prequels and the original trilogy and the current series a saga? Probably, that makes sense if you count the original... but if as a whole unit they're a saga, then does that retroactively make the middle three just an arc? What about Solo, Rebels, Clone Wars, Rogue One? Are they part of the saga, or are they separate?
Kevin Feige's intent is clear, and that's fine. But it's not the proper term. I'm not sure what is because there aren't a whole lot of examples of this specific thing of a big unconnected multipart story within a universe, certainly not in movies, but no one looks at the Infinity Gauntlet comics and calls them the "saga". They just call it the story, or the arc, or the multiparter, or the crossover, or the event, or even "the trade." No one considers an individual storyline in ongoing comics as a saga unto itself, except maybe for the 9 volumes of ALan Moore Swamp Thing, and even there that was decided decades later for the trades when it was realized it basically had a self contained start and end point with little tie to anything else in continuity.
My second response didn't include One Piece in its reasoning because I recognized that it was a faulty comparison. I didn't specify this in my last post, but I also didn't expand on it. (I also don't think that One Piece's use of sagas was at all the point of emphasis in that response, but moving on) What is a saga? The original usage of the word is the most clear in its relation to Norse Mythology. Everything after that seems to be pretty fluid. It's a word that's used more than it is defined (or it's used more descriptively than prescriptively) and has been historically pretty flexibly used as a tool for creators, publishers, and translators to define the scope and breadth of a work. If you don't know what the proper term to describe the first 22 movies in the MCU and you also offer a flexible definition for the term itself, but deny the usage of such term to the creator of a story, I think you are being narrow in your definition.
For my money, it's a definition that makes plenty of sense if we consider it as told about Thanos and The Infinity Stones, a story that's about to conclude. I think we may just not agree, though, which is fine.
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Enjoyed Captain Marvel, it wasn't a standout film or anything, but typical marvel quality. Surprisingly, I really liked Larson in the role - don't get the complaints about her acting at all, I thought she was very charismatic. Fury (and the 'cat') were the highlight of the film for me. I loved that he finally got such a huge starring role in a film (he barely appeared in Phase 3, after all) and how it showed a completely different side from him.
! That tribute to Stan Lee was simply beautiful!
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Enjoyed Captain Marvel, it wasn't a standout film or anything, but typical marvel quality. Surprisingly, I really liked Larson in the role - don't get the complaints about her acting at all, I thought she was very charismatic. Fury (and the 'cat') were the highlight of the film for me. I loved that he finally got such a huge starring role in a film (he barely appeared in Phase 3, after all) and how it showed a completely different side from him.
! That tribute to Stan Lee was simply beautiful!
She did fine overall but in moments where I thought more emotion was called for (sadness, outrage), she never showed a range and it felt flat and exposition-y in those scenes. Like they were purposely reigning in her ability to act in the same way they were reigning in
! her abilities up until the end. I mean, Jude Law's character constantly berates her for not controlling her emotions better so I would have thought an even more overt defiance in that way would be appropriate but…nope. I do have to say, though, I appreciated how the movie bucked the trend of so many tropes we usually see in these movies like
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I recently watch all the movies of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, and I quite enjoyed them. The most recent one I viewed was Captain Marvel, and my favorite part of the movie was
! in the ending climax of the movie, where the different versions of Carol were standing up and not giving up the fight. I thought it was a pretty powerful moment.
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Aww man, poor
! Shuri. I really hope at this point that their poor mother wasn't one of the survivors. Imagine losing both your kids like that…
! I think it had already been either stated or heavily implied elsewhere that Valkyrie, Pepper, and Wong survived, but nice to have that reaffirmed. And Happy apparently lives, too? Tony actually made it out relatively well in this whole situation (well, y'know, except for the whole "Peter dying in his arms" part): his fiancee, best friend, and other close friend all survived.Can't believe it's only a month away already. Captain Marvel will barely be out of theaters.
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This actually ruins a theory I had.
! expected Far From Home to be a story that occurred while the others were dusted living an alternate dimension life. But if Happy/Pepper are “alive” then that makes the concept null and void.
Originally Posted by Nightwing
Stay focused, cause right now you have a decision to make. Are you a man perpetually looking back at what he’s lost, or a man looking forward, to what he might become?
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This actually ruins a theory I had.
! expected Far From Home to be a story that occurred while the others were dusted living an alternate dimension life. But if Happy/Pepper are “alive” then that makes the concept null and void.
There was no way a movie that comes out after Avengers 4 was going to be set during it. They were already forced to do that with AntMan and Marvel, they weren't about to stretch that out more than they needed.
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I'll not be rewatching the whole MCU, but I'll cherrypick a few:
Just watched or rewatched:
Cap Marvel, Cap America 1 and Guardians 1Will Watch (at netflix):
Cap 2, Avengers 1 and 2, Guardians 2Yarr matey (or random movie screening):
Civil War, Infinity warI'd like to rewatch:
Dr. Strange, Thor 3I'm ok with not rewatching:
Ironman 1 and 3, Black Panther, Spiderman, Antman and antmant&waspI will not rewatch:
Thor 1 and 2 (even tho I kinda want to see the reality stone in action again), Ironman 2Forgot until checked the list, haven't watched and have no intention to watch:
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Checking back on the internet, all points that Far from home had to be fasttracked and be revealed early by cross company pressure.
I'm ok with enabling hard suspention of disbelief during the movie, but.. yeah, should have keept phase 4 completely trailerless or medialess.
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Checking back on the internet, all points that Far from home had to be fasttracked and be revealed early by cross company pressure.
I'm ok with enabling hard suspention of disbelief during the movie, but.. yeah, should have keept phase 4 completely trailerless or medialess.
That would have been impractical from a business standpoint. Besides, we all know that in order for things not to suck after Infinity War's conclusion, they'd have to do something that would reverse all the damage so OF COURSE the good guys are going to make a comeback and keep making movies. Maybe not all of them but obviously the ones who haven't had their own trilogies yet. Look how long these films have been going on. Look how much success has been generated knowing that they would all be tied together from the end-credits scene in Iron Man. You can't stop that hype train no matter how much you want to avoid spoiling Endgame and beyond.
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Goddamnit rocket. Without a word…
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Kinda spoilery FYI, though nothing people couldn’t guess from what was shown before and the Marvel team lies in trailers so…
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That fotage of Tony, Steve and Thor tho walking together tho.
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That fotage of Tony, Steve and Thor tho walking together tho.
Don't believe their lies, literally every scene could be altered, lmao. xD
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Meanwhile, Captain Marvel reached 1 billion worldwide. jeh, where's the haters God now??
