wolfwood has transformed into dogwood :-)
New MANGA Plus service from Shueisha (global, legal, simul, free, English releases)
-
-
On iOS it doesn't rotate on horizontal while reading. Am I the only one encountering this issue ?
I wasn't expecting such an offer after Viz. Now I can move to the official schedule, and unsubscribe to a few twitter/youtube accounts that will spoil me with scanlation release…
Post Level: God .
-
By tradition it should be wolfwoof.
But all jokes aside this is really great. Totally blindsided by it all
-
Latest chapters are free? Nice.
-
Wow this is a gamechanger for me. Finally I can stop using the scanlations for One Piece, Promised Neverland, World Trigger, Boruto, Dr. Stone and Dragon Ball.
To dedicate myself to this service I’ll stop using Jaimini’s and mangastream’s websites and get my manga primarily from apps.
The manga rock app will have to provide me with my remaining manga (Origin, Jagaaaaan, FT: 100 YQ, Edens Zero, Onepunch Man, Berserk & Attack on Titan). Fortunately I get notifications to my phone so a lot of unnecessary time and energy can be avoided checking the websites time and time again.
-
@CCC:
Nope! Different, separate services for different demos.
The Viz territories get the full "vault" (backlog) for sub ($2/month), and three latest chapters for free.
Shueisha's MANGA Plus gets first + latest chapters for free, and digital volumes for purchase. Not a subscription. Money comes from ads.People in Viz territories can use one or the other (or both); rest of the world can (legally) use MANGA Plus.
Well explained, thank you!
-
Wow this is a gamechanger for me. Finally I can stop using the scanlations for One Piece, Promised Neverland, World Trigger, Boruto, Dr. Stone and Dragon Ball.
To dedicate myself to this service I’ll stop using Jaimini’s and mangastream’s websites and get my manga primarily from apps.
Post Level: Hero God
-
This is brilliant, I'm extremely pleased to now have the option to do this. I'll be transitioning off jamini & mangastream without a single backwards glance.
-
So, shueisha should go L on the first chain of the scanlation link, send slightly different copies for areas of Japan, to narrow down the source, with things like number of sweatdrops on a character, number of speed lines or radial beans on a speech bubble, something completely invisible unless you are looking for it.
Like once you get a month Worth's of scans from a region, you try to narrow it down further. Currently do they know how many different raws make it to the internet? Only one has to make it for the issue to leak, but just because of that, there shouldn't be many sources, as the second serving is pointless.
-
Prints will always be exploited, there is no way around it. Unless they go full digital first there is no way around it. Awareness is also very important. Your average scan goers will not know about the free official options right away, it will take time. Some may never find out. We are lucky here since this forum supports official channels and makes an effort to rise awareness about it.
-
Yah but you should periodically cull the weeds, like if they were to do a crackdown this week, and like for a month theirs is first, then a lot of people would go to them, and even when the others grow back, some will stick with the official channels. And periodical crackdowns, if the scans are in an irregular schedule, while Manga + is regular, more people will go to it.
If they don't abandon physical, then a complete victory is impossible, but there are a lot of win cases between what they have and 0% piracy.
-
The website fixed the issue with the double pages if you read it in horizontal mode.
-
How can I make it so I read single pages but it shows double pages together?
Currently either choose single pages and suffer split double pages or double pages all the way which is annoying.
-
How can I make it so I read single pages but it shows double pages together?
Currently either choose single pages and suffer split double pages or double pages all the way which is annoying.
Aren't you asking something impossible ?
Also one piece has a lot of pages which are with a 2/3 1/3 ratio. Having reread it in digital, having only 1 page displayed makes it hard to read a lot of times -
Aren't you asking something impossible ?
Also one piece has a lot of pages which are with a 2/3 1/3 ratio. Having reread it in digital, having only 1 page displayed makes it hard to read a lot of timesLiterally all fan translations does this, so I'm not sure what you're talking about.
-
Aw man, oh dude! Finally after all these years I can enjoy One Piece legally. I was not expecting this, getting things to be licensed here (Iceland) can be a real pain in the butt.
Fantastic news! -
Literally all fan translations does this, so I'm not sure what you're talking about.
At a guess, those actually physically merge the spreads together into a single image.
While the official stuff is loading them as separate pages, the way they go to the printer.
And yes, asking the official release to go through and hand edit thousands of two page spreads in any series they pop up in is a ridiculous ask when you can just… display two pages at a time like it would be in the actual magazine.
-
Thankfully, this app seems like a nice alternative to the Viz app, which has been hot garbage for me ever since the big switch in December. Has anyone else experienced this? I use the Viz app on my iPad mini, and ever since the big change it's been the laggiest, most frustrating app I've ever used. Honestly, I'll probably be forced to cancel my subscription because using the app is a pain in the ass, and I don't like reading through my browser. I contacted tech support about it and they said they're working on making it better, but I've seen no differences. Fortunately, this MANGA+ app works quite nicely.
At a guess, those actually physically merge the spreads together into a single image.
While the official stuff is loading them as separate pages, the way they go to the printer.
And yes, asking the official release to go through and hand edit thousands of two page spreads in any series they pop up in is a ridiculous ask when you can just… display two pages at a time like it would be in the actual magazine.
They don't have to go through and hand edit the two page spreads, but it would be nice if they displayed the pages next to each other without the big annoying black bar in the middle. That's about my only gripe with this app. Other apps, including the official Viz app, don't have this problem.
-
There's probably settings somewhere. Or will be, eventually.
-
At a guess, those actually physically merge the spreads together into a single image.
While the official stuff is loading them as separate pages, the way they go to the printer.
And yes, asking the official release to go through and hand edit thousands of two page spreads in any series they pop up in is a ridiculous ask when you can just… display two pages at a time like it would be in the actual magazine.
I'm just asking for hybrid reading mode, currently each mode does one thing, vertical shows single pages but split spreads, and horizontal shows merged spreads but merged singles as well, which is not comfortable to read on a computer monitor, or a tablet IMO.
I don't think asking official release for something amateurs do for free is ridiculous, and as a consumer it's not my job to find excuses for them.
Thankfully, this app seems like a nice alternative to the Viz app, which has been hot garbage for me ever since the big switch in December. Has anyone else experienced this? I use the Viz app on my iPad mini, and ever since the big change it's been the laggiest, most frustrating app I've ever used. Honestly, I'll probably be forced to cancel my subscription because using the app is a pain in the ass, and I don't like reading through my browser. I contacted tech support about it and they said they're working on making it better, but I've seen no differences. Fortunately, this MANGA+ app works quite nicely.
This is true as well. Having free online readers better than official premium one is ridiculous, not a good look IMO.
This one is much better thankfully, although only handful chapters are viewable on this reader.
-
It seems this app is using Stephen's translation. I thought it might have been like the English dubs of DBS, where they have a US English one, and an international English one.
-
I don't think asking official release for something amateurs do for free is ridiculous, and as a consumer it's not my job to find excuses for them.
… it is a free service, though.
Anyways, like Robby said, in a magazine you get two pages together, regardless of them being a doublespread or not. It is only logical they follow the same standard as the real publication (and it is this format the mangakas have in mind when they plan the chapter) than the one fan sites created.
I personally prefer the ones used by fans because it keeps me from peeking at the next page before I had finished the first, but still it just makes perfect sense for them to go like this (if you ever bought digital manga you would know this has always been used in those as well).
What I find weird is that they allow a vertical 1-page reader too... -
This was explained by Robby a while ago, when in Naruto a stupid spread of Sasuke's face closeup, that while in a browser is "whatevs" in print would be a complete face looking at you, and not only at least draws a reaction, it is also the author's intent, I think that it was also mentioned in interviews around the launch of Alpha shonen jump, one of the conditions the authors put for publishing in the system.
Is like korean webcomics, who use the super long strip format, transitioning those to print would be awkward as the idea is to read them while scrolling.
-
Wow this is a gamechanger for me. Finally I can stop using the scanlations for One Piece, Promised Neverland, World Trigger, Boruto, Dr. Stone and Dragon Ball.
To dedicate myself to this service I’ll stop using Jaimini’s and mangastream’s websites and get my manga primarily from apps.
The manga rock app will have to provide me with my remaining manga (Origin, Jagaaaaan, FT: 100 YQ, Edens Zero, Onepunch Man, Berserk & Attack on Titan). Fortunately I get notifications to my phone so a lot of unnecessary time and energy can be avoided checking the websites time and time again.
The latest chapter of both Eden's Zero and Attack on Titan is available legally for free in Crynchyroll's Manga app, I think in most places of the world. You can read the backlog with a subscription.
-
This is one of instances where the official should copy the bootleg/pirate tools. The manga reader in jaiminis and others is an open source and available for anyone to use, they can use it as a reference or improve it. While double spreads can be tricky in portrait mode that can be fixed by combining the 2 pages, but come on if fans and photoshop novices can do it official publisher can do it in a breeze. Then app can detect the size of double spreads and offer side scrolling in portrait mode(left and right).
This comes from someone who made his own manga reader to practice coding so I know it is very easy to do. If you tell me combining all the double spreads for all the different series will take long, yes and no depending on how many they're willing to hire for this task specifically.
Or they can skip combining pages all together and just use code i.e (page1, page2, page3a,page3b,page4) page3 is a double spread so it has 2 parts a and b. This is just an example.
Hopefully they'll improve it more in the upcoming days/weeks. Presentation and usability are very important. Many scanlation sites have their own advanced, yet simple readers.
-
If it's cathartic to voice criticism here that's fine but (as some of you have) I hope you're giving the techies feedback as well. As we can tell by the fact that these applications exist, they are listening and they want you to be happy.
-
I reported the spread thing and that got fixed. There's a couple other QoL things I mentioned in the same feedback submission (proper fullscreen options on desktop and going to the next chapter automatically with the arrow keys) but since those are probably anti-screen scraping measures my hopes aren't high.
But what's all this about not wanting the single pages together as spreads? That's how they're designed to sit and be read I like getting the impression of an open book in front of me. You can see how it's all laid out so that panels run off the edge of the pages but never into the spine unless it's a spread, which is a design element that just gets missed on the scan versions. Back during the days of the colour volumes first being ripped people complained about a few volumes that came out in that state as well. Never got it then either.
! I have all of my cough cough downloaded cough manga saved completely as spreads. It's nice opening a folder and seeing every file in it the same size, and those middle spaces left for the spines line up all the way down the window in the thumbnails. I buy the English volumes physically and the colour volumes digitally, pls no judgement :ninja:
-
By the way is there a reason why Yuragi is the only serie from shonen jump not available on Manga+ ?
-
This is great news for those who can't use the Viz version. I haven't checked this one out but I've heard it could still use improvements, still a Jump in the right direction.
the /r/onepiece community previously complained about Viz not working overseas, but this news didn't seem like it got much traction there either. I hope other communities eventually adapt to this new system.
-
This is great news for those who can't use the Viz version. I haven't checked this one out but I've heard it could still use improvements, still a Jump in the right direction.
the /r/onepiece community previously complained about Viz not working overseas, but this news didn't seem like it got much traction there either. I hope other communities eventually adapt to this new system.
Sadly that's a group dedicated to the old ways of enjoying manga and supporting methods of manga enjoyment that are financially beneficial to spoiler providers and reviewers. In the next five years we'll see a turnover and acceptance of these exciting new mediums.
-
I wish cops would bust up the operation that makes the jump scans available, now that it is not needed cause we have offical worldwide release.
Or that scanlators would stop scanlating the titles available and focus on other magazines which dont have this service. But obvioulsy they want the ad revenue or in mangastreams case even donations, lmao.
To support Viz and SHUEISHAs MANGA Plus service hosting all Jump manga for FREE, WORLDWIDE and day of release, Arlong Park will now support the official release.
Official chapter discussions now start Sundays at Noon, EST.
Please do not post threads when scan sites release their version.
-
While double spreads can be tricky in portrait mode that can be fixed by combining the 2 pages, but come on if fans and photoshop novices can do it official publisher can do it in a breeze.
Again, that is not how it works. I work in publishing and comics specifically, and have been doing this for 20 years.
Their core files are almost certainly seperate pages, even when they are spreads. They are just taking their existing "to the printer" files, lowering the resolution for internet rather than print, and uploading them. This is something that can be automated, with a press or two of a button.
If they were making the files and pdfs from scratch, placing each page from loose files would take 15-20 minutes per chapter. That's just how long it takes in the pdf to go to "file find" "copy" "paste" "align to the margin", about a minute a page. That's if you're absolutely on your game, not wasting any time, clicking the correct page the first time every time, and imputting the allignment numbers correctly… but it can very easily turn into a longer process. And to do an actual full trade of any length is several hours of work just to do one volume. That's just how long it takes to assemble a basic 20 page pdf, assuming all the pages are numbered and sized correctly from the outset.
And that's without doing any editing to merge pages or rename them, that absolutely adds more time on top of that.
The fan scanlations merge their spreads by doing it on a week by week basis as they come out. They can manage that because they've done it all along like that, they're not doing anything else and just dealing with a dozen pages a week.
What you're asking the companies to do, is go back and physically look at every chapter of every title, merge the pages together, rename them, save a separate set of files, drop them into the layout template again, and then set it converting for upload.
That's something you can do as a labor of love on a small scale case by case basis. Merging a spread is easy individually, yes, and a professional publisher can absolutely do it. But merging XX,000 spreads in X00 different tiles over XXX volumes? Especially in a series like OP where Oda does multiple splash pages pretty much every chapter? That's a huuuge demand on manpower and resources for hundreds of hours for ultimately, very little reward.
Even if they do have a program that recognized "this page is labeled as A, this page is labeled as B, treat as a spread" that still involves many many hours of going through and manually renaming all the pages, and then updating the pdf so it can find them and display them at proper resolution. That also takes time.
Or you can just set your browser to display two pages at time like it does in the magazine and get the intended experience that they laid it out for in the first place.
-
Was browsing the site clicked on tokyo ghoul and realized they even link to the german publisher to buy the volume if one wants to. That is nice. I thought it would be primarily links to english publishers only at first for some reason. xD
-
Or you can just set your browser to display two pages at time like it does in the magazine and get the intended experience that they laid it out for in the first place.
With the physical release, sure.. because then you can angle the volume and focus on one page its very easy and fluid.
But with a computer monitor the 2 pictures are in your face and your eye easily wonder to the second one, its not comfortable at all.
-
I wish cops would bust up the operation that makes the jump scans available, now that it is not needed cause we have offical worldwide release.
Or that scanlators would stop scanlating the titles available and focus on other magazines which dont have this service. But obvioulsy they want the ad revenue or in mangastreams case even donations, lmao.
This. I've spent the last day discussing/arguing with people who still wanna read the scans on twitter.
Of the few people I talked to the main reasons that still existed where pretty much two.
1. They enjoy the routine of watching OP youtubers who do chapter reaction vids, and since they've all continued to use the scanlations, the viewers still will.
and
2. They simply don't want to wait. Some of these people even used the ridiculous excuse of "Well, then the official should come out two days earlier". These people don't seem to comprehend how an industry with a product of media content works.
Unfortunately, these people felt that the responsibility wasn't on THEM -the people choosing to illegally read One Piece early- it was on the Youtube content creators they enjoy, (somehow) Viz and Shuiesha for needing to make it easier(which is a bullshit excuse, they simply want earlier chapters because they can't take one week to adapt to the schedule).
I doubt until legal action is once again taken by Shuiesha against the scanlation sites, much can be done. Unless some of these content providers start choosing to wait, their viewers won't. So it just creates this cycle that encourages scanlations.
A few years down the line, this shouldn't be an issue. In the same way we don't have a fansub group trying to fansub One Piece every week. It just doesn't make sense if a superior, free version is simultaneous. The only difference here is the schedule of getting scans a few days early.
-
With the physical release, sure.. because then you can angle the volume and focus on one page its very easy and fluid.
But with a computer monitor the 2 pictures are in your face and your eye easily wonder to the second one, its not comfortable at all.
The books are drawn with two page format in mind. They aren't meant or intended for tablets or computer screens. They just aren't and there's not really any way of getting around that, except for the author to not indulge in two page spreads. And that may be something future authors keep in mind and take into account, but its not something the current crop is going to deal with.
Oda in particular is a nasty culprit because he does 2/3 spreads all the time, with panels on the bottom and the side, and that makes it really awkward to follow sometimes. But then you get something like Bone or Elfquest which go their entirety without a single two page spread, and they'd serve much better in the format. (Okay, Elfquest had one two page spread)
Webcomics are done more with the format in mind, thats why they tend to be thin and strips like traditional newspaper comics.
-
A few years down the line, this shouldn't be an issue. In the same way we don't have a fansub group trying to fansub One Piece every week. It just doesn't make sense if a superior, free version is simultaneous. The only difference here is the schedule of getting scans a few days early.
I hope it won‘t be an issue down the line, same with services like spotify, netflix etc. providing easy and fast access, which made the piracy of music etc. obsolete.
Problem is they will have to stop early magazine distribution, otherwise this problem will never go away. I am sure if fansubers could get their hands on op episodes 2-3 days in advance, they would still sub it.
-
is there a reason why Yuragi is the only serie from shonen jump not available on Manga+ ?
I remember Yuragi was criticized by Japanese newspaper called Tokyo Newspaper on 7th, July in 2017 due to sexism.
Considering official English volume for Yuragi is already out, it may not be the reason for Shueisha not to release it yet in Manga+ app, though.
[hide]
[/hide]Speaking of sexism, Shonen Jump editor office in Japan was also criticized in the same year due to the fact that they chose this drawing below drawn by "To Love-ru" author as a sign board for ladies restroom in their office.
They later made excuses such as "Shonen Jump office has no female editors, so there is no problem." "It was just a joke"…:sad:
official manga[hide]
[/hide]Huffington Post (language: JP)
https://www.huffingtonpost.jp/2017/04/21/shounen-jump_n_16137590.html
https://blogos.com/article/219455/ -
Umm what are people in Japan, China and Korea suppose to do for English translations?
-
Japan, Korea, and China already have dedicated digital distribution channels in their respective languages, apparently(?). That's why the English service won't/can't exist concurrently.
…The solution there is still VPN.
-
But what about the Mooninites, CCC? Huh? Have the heartless monsters behind the scenes considered their birthrite to free manga?
-
Just noticed on the Manga Plus that we can see the rankings to the side. I wonder if they will have any affect on series cancellations or anything below that magnitude that Jump calculates?
-
I look forward to a couple months from now where the backlog will have expanded a bit. Those re-editions make me wanna re-read a bunch of the classics. If this expands to the possibility to buy whole series i'm going to go broke on stacking up my digital library lol
-
@CCC:
Japan, Korea, and China already have dedicated digital distribution channels in their respective languages, apparently(?). That's why the English service won't/can't exist concurrently.
Do you know if they intend to also offer the subscription model (Viz-like) in the near future? As far as I can tell you can buy E-books (volumes) for 5€ each, but that's a horrible deal if one is already buying physical copies of the manga regularly :S
-
So this might be off topic a little and I apologize, but it seems like the reason so many people pirate One Piece and other series isn't simply because weekly (free) translations aren't in available in their country now, it's simply because they want to read it as soon as possible. To me, it seems like the only solution at this point is for weekly Jump in Japan to go completely digital. Or at the very least, as soon as Oda or other mangaka are done making a chapter, it immediately comes online digitally on these official websites and for people that still want a physical copy of Jump, they just get it a week or two later. While sales for the physical Jump would be down, I feel like the the rest of the world not have any excuses for reading jump legally should make up for those sales.
-
Dunno. Japan seems like a pretty conservative nation to me. I mean if it took them this long to latch on to global digital channels it seems quite a stretch that they'd go for a route that essentially dooms their actual book sales any time soon. You'd probably have to wait for the older generations of management to retire before anything like that happens.
-
People who buy the jump magazines will continue to buy them regardless, so shifting to digital release first and magazine distribution after could be possible and still give them those sales. Release the digital version a day earlier than the scans usually come out, wih the magazine coming 2-3 days later.
It obviously won't happen, but would be nice.
To support Viz and SHUEISHAs MANGA Plus service hosting all Jump manga for FREE, WORLDWIDE and day of release, Arlong Park will now support the official release.
Official chapter discussions now start Sundays at Noon, EST.
Please do not post threads when scan sites release their version.
-
Or you can just set your browser to display two pages at time like it does in the magazine and get the intended experience that they laid it out for in the first place.
Horizontal mode is perfect now, all double spreads display correctly. It the best way to view in the browsers(full screen mode, view->fullscreen) and screens in general (landscape mode on phones and tablets).
The image's quality is also better than before.
Even if they do have a program that recognized "this page is labeled as A, this page is labeled as B, treat as a spread" that still involves many many hours of going through and manually renaming all the pages, and then updating the pdf so it can find them and display them at proper resolution. That also takes time.
I just looked at the page's source, every page has a uuid, meaning each page has its own unique file name and I bet that is ordered correctly in each chapter's folder/database tables, however they're doing it on the server side. It could be many things.
example for the pages UUIDs:
! Page 1 chapter 930 (77913c51-e867-4279-a594-32e15f5e43d1)
Page 2 chapter 930 (8a8c4271-d3a3-4773-b63e-d1588766f6d0)
Those are the names they use to display the pages/file pathCould be just normal folders with simple file names and the script that serves them to app/web assigns the uuid names to mask their name/location on the server.
So they already have system for naming the pages. They also have IDs for the chapters, regardless of the series.
example for the chapter IDs:
! OP
Chapter No. ID
001 1000486
002 1000487
929 1001129
930 1001130
! MHA
Chapter No. ID
001 1000390
002 1000391
214 1001191They also have IDs for the series:
OP 100020
MHA 100017With such system in place renaming and future update will be easy.
-
People who buy the jump magazines will continue to buy them regardless, so shifting to digital release first and magazine distribution after could be possible and still give them those sales. Release the digital version a day earlier than the scans usually come out, wih the magazine coming 2-3 days later.
It obviously won't happen, but would be nice.
Yep, this is what I mean. You are right, Susheia wouldn't do this for the same reason american comics still focus on print sales rather than digital. they are too rooted in the past.
-
Do you know if they intend to also offer the subscription model (Viz-like) in the near future? As far as I can tell you can buy E-books (volumes) for 5€ each, but that's a horrible deal if one is already buying physical copies of the manga regularly :S
I don't know, personally, but I kind of doubt it?
Because then Shueisha would be competing with itself (??) within the territories that Viz does have its thing going (Viz is a subsidiary of Shueisha).But I can't picture them letting Viz takes its vault worldwide either, since Shueisha wants that $$$ for itself (Manga Plus is making ad money off of Viz's translation/lettering/editing work).
It's a somewhat odd dynamic.
