Has anyone ever read any news from the Wikileaks emails?
(Just wanna ask as I don't know if anyone has read them or not?)
Yup.
I've been hearing about them but haven't actually gotten into the nitty gritty of them.
Has anyone ever read any news from the Wikileaks emails?
(Just wanna ask as I don't know if anyone has read them or not?)
Yup.
I've been hearing about them but haven't actually gotten into the nitty gritty of them.
I've seen some. They seem pretty fake.
The Redskins beat the Eagles today, so if the Redskins Rule holds Hillary will win the election :P
I've seen some. They seem pretty fake.
The alien one or Planet X?
They do sound far-fetched coming from the emails….
Has anyone ever read any news from the Wikileaks emails?
(Just wanna ask as I don't know if anyone has read them or not?)
Yup.
Not much point given most of them are already proven fakes. Shoddily constructed ones at that.
Not much point given most of them are already proven fakes. Shoddily constructed ones at that.
True. But still. Hmm?
What are you asking?
"Has anyone wasted their time reading documents that we all know are fake?"
What are you asking?
"Has anyone wasted their time reading documents that we all know are fake?"
It's a topic widely discussed in the media right now, so we should probably talk a bit more about them.
The only recent Wikileaks release I read was the set of Hillary's Wall Street speeches. I skimmed them and didn't see a smoking gun, but didn't really have the time to go further.
@Monkey:
But still what .
Naw! It's just nothing. Maybe some other time. Right now. I gotta buy some games like Sun & Moon.
Sorry for the short derail, guys? :sad:
I guess there was nothing to discuss. :P
The Free Syrian Army has driven ISIS from Dabiq.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/16/americas/syrian-rebels-capture-dabiq/
Meanwhile, the battle for Mosul has finally begun.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/16/middleeast/mosul-isis-operation-begins-iraq/
@xan:
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/13/africa/nigeria-chibok-girls-released/
All the talks about ISIS going on around the world people keep forgetting that Boko Haram is still as powerful as ever and probably even way more dangerous than ISIS
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barclay-bram/why-arent-we-hearing-more_b_9044842.html
Meanwhile, in Great Britain, Jeremy Corbyn, the leader of the major left-wing party and a Putin shill, told anti-war activists to not protest at the Russian embassy, but at the American embassy because they're the REAL perpetrators of the Syrian civil war.
The Free Syrian Army has driven ISIS from Dabiq.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/16/americas/syrian-rebels-capture-dabiq/
Meanwhile, the battle for Mosul has finally begun.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/16/middleeast/mosul-isis-operation-begins-iraq/
Boots to asses…...which won't be reported on during the debate.
The Free Syrian Army has driven ISIS from Dabiq.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/16/americas/syrian-rebels-capture-dabiq/
Meanwhile, the battle for Mosul has finally begun.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/16/middleeast/mosul-isis-operation-begins-iraq/
Bracing for the offensive, ISIS in recent days allowed wounded fighters in Mosul to move to Raqqa, Syria, the group's de facto capital, a source inside Mosul said.
Well, Assad, what are you and Russia going to do about that? If you all fully focused on ISIS you all could actually really help eliminate them from significance.
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Meanwhile, in Great Britain, Jeremy Corbyn, the leader of the major left-wing party and a Putin shill, told anti-war activists to not protest at the Russian embassy, but at the American embassy because they're the REAL perpetrators of the Syrian civil war.
Speaking of which, I'm still confused about how America was supposedly involved in the Syrian civil war beyond the typical America has its hands in everything plot. I mean, sure, we have an investment in how the situation turns out and we've offered assistance to one side but the real perpetrators or the antagonist/cause of it? Nope.
Speaking of which, I'm still confused about how America was supposedly involved in the Syrian civil war beyond the typical America has its hands in everything plot. I mean, sure, we have an investment in how the situation turns out and we've offered assistance to one side but the real perpetrators or the antagonist/cause of it? Nope.
The general line of reasoning is that America destabilized Iraq (to put it mildly), causing the chain of events leading to ISIS getting as powerful as they did.
Of course by this reasoning we can blame Russia for literally everything wrong in the Caucasus and Eastern Europe.
It's a topic widely discussed in the media right now, so we should probably talk a bit more about them.
The only recent Wikileaks release I read was the set of Hillary's Wall Street speeches. I skimmed them and didn't see a smoking gun, but didn't really have the time to go further.
And they are FAKE. We know as fact that they are FAKE., or at the very least, filled with enough fakes to discredit anything else in the pile.
Why spend time reading badly written Russian fanfiction?
@Cyan:
The general line of reasoning is that America destabilized Iraq (to put it mildly), causing the chain of events leading to ISIS getting as powerful as they did.
Of course by this reasoning we can blame Russia for literally everything wrong in the Caucasus and Eastern Europe.
Ah, so that's where Trump kept getting that Obama created ISIS line. While forgetting Obama wasn't in office until 2008.
The Free Syrian Army has driven ISIS from Dabiq.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/16/americas/syrian-rebels-capture-dabiq/
lol, there goes their superstitious doomsday prophecy with an appropriate whimper.
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Ah, so that's where Trump kept getting that Obama created ISIS line. While forgetting Obama wasn't in office until 2008.
Trump is also an idiot who thinks saying "We will capture Mosul" is a super super secret plot that we can't let ISIS know about.
Which is roughly like thinking that announcing that capturing Berlin will tip off the Nazis to our anti-Nazi aims. Except imagine the Nazis had 2.5 cities instead of dozens upon dozens.
And they are FAKE. We know as fact that they are FAKE., or at the very least, filled with enough fakes to discredit anything else in the pile.
Why spend time reading badly written Russian fanfiction?
They may be fake, but the media isn't doing a great job of reporting that from what I've seen. I was expecting more of a discussion here than what we ended up with, though.
….because they're fake. And we knew that within hours of them being released. And even if they were legit, there weren't exactly any bombshells in there. There's literally nothing TO talk about?
And Trump's pussy scandal hit before that.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barclay-bram/why-arent-we-hearing-more_b_9044842.html
I'm just guessing here, but maybe it's because we're doing really well against ISIS and the GOP doesn't care enough to do real world research?
….because they're fake. And we knew that within hours of them being released. And even if they were legit, there weren't exactly any bombshells in there. There's literally nothing TO talk about?
And Trump's pussy scandal hit before that.
So we're left with kind of a Benghazi thing then, where there's basically nothing to talk about and the conspiracy theorists are the only ones heard because everyone else finished talking long ago.
….because they're fake. And we knew that within hours of them being released. And even if they were legit, there weren't exactly any bombshells in there. There's literally nothing TO talk about?
And Trump's pussy scandal hit before that.
Do you happen to have a link about any of that? A quick google search and I'm coming up with nothing about authenticity, but many talking about how nothing too substantial were in those emails.
Meanwhile, in Great Britain, Jeremy Corbyn, the leader of the major left-wing party and a Putin shill, told anti-war activists to not protest at the Russian embassy, but at the American embassy because they're the REAL perpetrators of the Syrian civil war.
He's pretty nuts, yeah. Apparently he wants the labor party to be 50% female by the next election. "Let's fire men and replace them with women" seems like a strange and dangerous goal for a political party to have.
I'm just guessing here, but maybe it's because we're doing really well against ISIS and the GOP doesn't care enough to do real world research?
Those aren't it.
Actually, even though ISIS is losing significant ground they're still mentioned a lot because of the potential threat they pose in foreign countries with recruitment, inspiring attacks, and planned attacks. And it isn't just the GOP who gives ISIS more attention than Boko Haram because everyone outside of Africa does that too, regardless of the political party. Hell, one of the reasons the articles gives for why Boko Haram doesn't get as much attention is because even in West Africa where they're doing the most damage politicians refuse to acknowledge the seriousness of the problem and try to downplay it.
He's pretty nuts, yeah. Apparently he wants the labor party to be 50% female by the next election. "Let's fire men and replace them with women" seems like a strange and dangerous goal for a political party to have.
Of all his crazypants positions, THAT'S the one you have a problem with?
He's pretty nuts, yeah. Apparently he wants the labor party to be 50% female by the next election. "Let's fire men and replace them with women" seems like a strange and dangerous goal for a political party to have.
No, I'm pretty sure he's aiming for more support of female MP candidates.
Of all his crazypants positions, THAT'S the one you have a problem with?
It's the only one I'd heard about recently, so I mentioned it.
@Cyan:
No, I'm pretty sure he's aiming for more support of female MP candidates.
Yes, but those candidates are chosen primarily based on their gender. That's just… really dumb.
Ah, so that's where Trump kept getting that Obama created ISIS line. While forgetting Obama wasn't in office until 2008.
It's the old "Let's blame anything on Obama" line. The follow-up to that is "Anything Bush did negatively shift blame to Obama."
They may be fake, but the media isn't doing a great job of reporting that from what I've seen. I was expecting more of a discussion here than what we ended up with, though.
The only thing AP Forums trust less than the OP Wiki is Wikileaks.
Wikileaks is seen by most at AP Forums as a waste of time, for we are better off spending that time using Google.
The only thing AP Forums trust less than the OP Wiki is Wikileaks.
Wikileaks is seen by most at AP Forums as a waste of time, for we are better off spending that time using Google.
It's a real shame that Wikileaks has turned into something so… partisan.
@The:
Do you happen to have a link about any of that? A quick google search and I'm coming up with nothing about authenticity, but many talking about how nothing too substantial were in those emails.
I saw it tossed around several places on facebook.
But in general wikileaks can't be trusted at this point since they have a heavy anti-Clinton bias.
From July.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/7/26/1552616/-Russian-Hackers-Altered-Emails-Before-Release-to-Wikileaks
From August.
https://theintercept.com/2016/08/06/accusing-wikileaks-bias-beside-point/
From last week.
http://heavy.com/news/2016/10/is-wikileaks-reliable-legal-illegal-biased-dnc-hacks-the-podesta-emails-russian-hackers-trump-putin/
http://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin-sidney-blumenthal-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-benghazi-sputnik-508635
https://www.occupycorporatism.com/exculsive-wikileaks-dump-contains-fake-email-to-discredit-clinton-cnn/
HOWEVER. Checking snopes, It seems that since I first read those things a few days ago, it had been clarified that its the Russian stuff that Trump was reading that's been edited, and not the entire info dump.
So, there's fake stuff in there, and falsified emails that are poorly done, and its what Trump and Fox News were using. That's all fake and lies.
BUT the other dumps may be genuine. So there may be some harmless authentic stuff to look at that hasn't turned up anything except for people forcing a point by taking things out of context.
Either way, nothing seems to be coming out of it.
The "Podesta emails" are what you'll want to look at specifically if you want to go any deeper.
But in general wikileaks can't be trusted at this point since they have a heavy anti-Clinton bias.
Considering the anti-Semitic tweets and Russian connections, I doubt that they would be acting all that much differently if Clinton weren't the Democratic nominee. Sure, there's the added personal vendetta this way, but they'd have motivation to oppose anybody running against Trump.
Dunno if this has been brought up before, but I just heard about it today. The supreme court basically decided that if you've committed a crime, you have no fourth amendment rights.
On a lighter note, I heard about this one listening to a news podcast, Who's Paying Attention:
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-clown-santa-clarita-20161016-snap-story.html
TL;DR: Man is outside smoking one morning, spots a man dressed as a clown, fires a warning shot at the clown then proceeds to call the police. Police arrive, and arrest the man for possession of weapons and narcotics, proceed to find a clown, but not the one that the man originally saw.
On a lighter note, I heard about this one listening to a news podcast, Who's Paying Attention:
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-clown-santa-clarita-20161016-snap-story.html
TL;DR: Man is outside smoking one morning, spots a man dressed as a clown, fires a warning shot at the clown then proceeds to call the police. Police arrive, and arrest the man for possession of weapons and narcotics, proceed to find a clown, but not the one that the man originally saw.
So random people really are firing guns at random clowns now?
The swiftness with which certain individuals have co-opted "Lives Matter" –whether they put on a costume, or a uniform-- when it's very serious slogan meant to convey a life and death civil rights & basic liberty issue for black people seems extremely callow, afaiac.
The swiftness with which certain individuals have co-opted "Lives Matter" –whether they put on a costume, or a uniform-- when it's very serious slogan meant to convey a life and death civil rights & basic liberty issue for black people seems extremely callow, afaiac.
In some ways yes, but the entire discussion tends to be pretty callow in my experience. What should be a discussion about the militarization of our police and their eagerness to kill is now entirely about race.
What should be a discussion about the militarization of our police and their eagerness to kill is now entirely about race.
The polices' eagerness to kill is sorta tied deeply into race, if you haven't noticed.
And what & who exactly decides what the discussion "should be" about, or what should be the most important issue to confront?
Those issues you mentioned aren't exactly mutually exclusive when it comes to policing in America anyway.
@Cyan:
The polices' eagerness to kill is sorta tied deeply into race, if you haven't noticed.
I'm still waiting for the proof on that. Bias exists and will be a part of some situations, but those are individual cases. Years of research haven't shown that modern police are more willing to kill black people based on race.
In addition, it looks really bad when people riot over and over and over again without having a smoking gun, especially when those rioters repeatedly target a specific group of people based on their skin color.
And what & who exactly decides what the discussion "should be" about, or what should be the most important issue to confront?
Those issues you mentioned aren't exactly mutually exclusive when it comes to policing in America anyway.
Fair enough, Black Lives Matter has every right to promote exclusively race-based issues.
Have we had a cop shooting an unarmed black man just reading this week yet?
Have we had a cop shooting an unarmed black man just reading this week yet?
A black cop shooting an unarmed black man is a serious issue, yes.
Have we had a cop shooting an unarmed black man just reading this week yet?
Chalk up a police officer shooting and killing a 66 year old woman who was having a psychotic/emotional episode.
There's plenty of evidence that nonwhites are targeted, arrested, assaulted, and killed by police at a disproportionate rate. To be willfully ignorant of that evidence at this point is a personal problem that only makes matters worse for the rest of the country.
According to the most recent census data, there are nearly 160 million more white people in America than there are black people. White people make up roughly 62 percent of the U.S. population but only about 49 percent of those who are killed by police officers. African Americans, however, account for 24 percent of those fatally shot and killed by the police despite being just 13 percent of the U.S. population. As The Post noted in a new analysis published last week, that means black Americans are 2.5 times as likely as white Americans to be shot and killed by police officers.
especially when those rioters repeatedly target a specific group of people
So the silverlining on that story was that they were fixing to stomp his head in, but stopped once they realized that he wasn't white.
I'm still waiting for the proof on that. Bias exists and will be a part of some situations, but those are individual cases. Years of research haven't shown that modern police are more willing to kill black people based on race.
In addition, it looks really bad when people riot over and over and over again without having a smoking gun, especially when those rioters repeatedly target a specific group of people based on their skin color.
Man, that was a really disheartening read. BLM's representative better have had spoken out against it.
does BLM have representatives? I thought they are a sort of loosely tied together group supporting a cause without defined leadership
I might be wrong though
They don't really have much of with in the way of leadership. Which is how you get some of them interrupting campaign rallies of presidential candidates.
There's plenty of evidence that nonwhites are targeted, arrested, assaulted, and killed by police at a disproportionate rate. To be willfully ignorant of that evidence at this point is a personal problem that only makes matters worse for the rest of the country.
This probably has something to do with some other statistics about them being more likely to commit violent crimes and (I imagine, though I don't know if there are any statistics about this) more likely to not listen to police officers when confronted.