They have to jump out of his body first coming out of a lower gate from his chest
Maybe he has a rear exit too. After all we're talking about a very class man-castle here
They have to jump out of his body first coming out of a lower gate from his chest
Maybe he has a rear exit too. After all we're talking about a very class man-castle here
They are going, just like Luffy is going to be pirate king and defeat Blackbeard. He had no reason to believe they would since he made sure to make the later sound carefree and promise to come back. Luffy was even shown to be okay with trusting Sanji until his crew got on his nerves.
Also knowing Luffy character, he already knows he has more chance dealing with them peacefully. Luffy would simply start shouting his disagreement and pushed a confrontation with Big mom, while he believe he can take care of it rationally. Luffy gave him the leading post, he acted the best he could.
I agree with you, seem more level headed. Sanji did take a good opportunity to make sure the crew rest of the crew mates were safe, all I'm saying is that moment when Nami / Brook told Sanji to come out of Capone he choose to stay instead of jumping out and reasoning with Capone.
@desa:
He could either fight or comply. Capone made pretty sure the thing was a summon and he would not have it any other way. No way the guy that has been this underhanded in his tactics will be ok for waiting Sanji's backup(which newspaper tell him include 2 supernovas).
And clearly Sanji understood the way things work with Capone, since he only manage to keep the others out of it by making sure backup was already here. If Capone play it safe by letting non-essential individual go when Neko is here, he is not waiting for the other party to get backup.I'm sure I would show some concern for him rather than tell everyone who cares they are being stupid and sould simply for get about him.
He clearly say way more than that, such has accusing him meddling in Big Mom business.
And again Capone clearly said he was not here to negotiate and that if do not show up at a tea party it's no good. Sure he could have fight, but then that would simply mean having 2 yonko on their back when he could avoid such thing and putting the minks into a new fight.
I also think the translation might have been off by a tad not sure if Zoro was really that harsh about Sanji it does come off as mean but he still has a point. If Sanji was capable of calming Big Mom down with a negotiation Zou wouldn't have to suffer that'd be part of the deal or even make an agreement to meet on another Island to discuss the arrangements which Sanji's family has put forth.
There's other ways this could've played out. Like Chopper, Nami, and Brooke not getting caught so easily. They didn't even fight at all. But for plot purposes they got hit with idiot ball so they got captured in seconds and Sanji wouldn't have to protect everyone. But hey that's plot for you.
Finally something I can agree with. Yeah, I really didn't see much sense in how they acted back in chapter 812. I know they were trying to protect the minks, but they were away from the city and there was no mink around, I am pretty sure Nami and Chopper should have simply thought "the hell, we can take care of these guys" and left Sanji, Caesar and Brook to take care of Capone. Honestly, their reaction in chapter 812 felt way forced.
However, after that situation was established, I sustain that Sanji held things the best possible way (chapter 813). Actually, I think Sanji actions were the only ones I agree with in this whole situation.
EDIT: Now that I think about it, Vito was the one who captured Nami and Chopper. Maybe that could explain why they were caught so easily, he seems to be stronger than your average crook. So I will give them the benefit of doubt.
hats off to the person who said vinsmoke family was a family similar to the zoldyck family from hunter x hunter.
What if.. Sanji dies when all is said and done? I think I would drop the series, thankfully Oda would never do that :')
Zoro being "too" harsh with Sanji, he's just telling it how it is, if Sanji was kidnapped and was facing death of course he would not be singing the same tune, as far as he's aware Sanji is in perfectly good health and is merely going to sort out some family business, whereas the rest of the crew have Kaido to deal with… Robin even states how Yonkou are a whole level above the rest, a lot of people think fucking with two Yonkous is child's play. The first ever death we saw in this series was by a Yonkou crew member, these guys don't play around. He's putting things into perspective and making sure everyone knows the situation they're in. It's a rather grave one so of course he will be more blunt than usual. Zoro is the voice of reason for the crew, he has extremely high expectations for Luffy, when he got knocked out in Punk Hazard he reminded Luffy this is the New World and he can't afford slip ups, one slip up could cost a crew member's life and if any of these guys die Luffy will give up on his own dreams no doubt, like others said Sanji did what he thought would be best and prioritized the safety of his crew. That's not stupid that's intelligence and shows he's worthy of being a leader. We don't know the level of threat Vinsmokes present so just have to wait and see.
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Oh, coming back to Zoro sacrificing himself for the crew in Thriller Bark, he knocked out Sanji so that he can take it upon himself to take on the pain against Kuma, Sanji would have died, he sensed that and took action. He cares about Sanji and I'm sure there are plenty of examples where Zoro puts his crew first, so I'm not going to sit here and just let people suggest how he apparently is selfish and doesn't care about Sanji (or whoever the hell). They can't all be muscle heads like Luffy who's obvious solution to everything is "kick your ass!"
Can anyone recommend a source to read One Piece all the way from chapter one? I don't want mangasee, I don't believe that site is safe.
Can anyone recommend a source to read One Piece all the way from chapter one? I don't want mangasee, I don't believe that site is safe.
Powermanga. I think it's the best one. Try reading in colored form, might up the enjoyment twofold.
What bothers me the most in those lines is that it makes me feel that Zoro believes Sanji is actually capable of leaving the crew in trouble (imminent conflict with Kaidou) just to handle some trivial family business. Like the others, I would expect him to worry about what they said to him to make him do that instead of being a jerk.
But anyway, I'm glad the other crew members are there to do that.
Hilarious chapter.
Why is Zoro not oficially the 1st Mate yet?
He totally is but..He is not.
this thing has been discussed already a thousand times..
if you go by who is the second strongest,yep it's the first mate..if you go by what exactly a first mate does…nope
Wasn't around for the spoiler thread yesterday and don't have time to read through every page of this thread so ignore me if this has already been discussed, but is "assassin" the best translation?
It seems like the word Pekoms uses in the raw is 人殺し which is an all-encompassing word for "murderer" as far as I can tell, if that's the case then they could just be a cruel underworld family who kills recklessly among managing other operations (like sake-steel weapons manufacturing perhaps?) instead of solely dedicating themselves to assassinating specific targets for hire
It's clearly Van Damme
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Can anyone recommend a source to read One Piece all the way from chapter one? I don't want mangasee, I don't believe that site is safe.
There's nothing wrong with Mangasee. It's basically Batoto if you don't want to register an account.
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Powermanga. I think it's the best one. Try reading in colored form, might up the enjoyment twofold.
That only works for Chapters 717-806 in Black & White, plus 700-716 in color.
What bothers me the most in those lines is that it makes me feel that Zoro believes Sanji is actually capable of leaving the crew in trouble (imminent conflict with Kaidou) just to handle some trivial family business. Like the others, I would expect him to worry about what they said to him to make him do that instead of being a jerk.
But anyway, I'm glad the other crew members are there to do that.
Yeah, one thing i really liked about this chapter was how the others, Nami in particular, exposed Zoro for the jerk he can be. Let's face it, Zoro isn't particularly smart to consider himself the "voice of the reason", not to mention he doesn't know the whole picture, so he just came across as an arrogant prick.
In fact, what Sanji did avoided putting two Yonkou in their way at the same time, which is what was worrying Zoro. No way in hell Big Mom would sit down and wait patiently (as Bege and his men were very clear).
Wasn't around for the spoiler thread yesterday and don't have time to read through every page of this thread so ignore me if this has already been discussed, but is "assassin" the best translation?
It seems like the word Pekoms uses in the raw is 人殺し which is an all-encompassing word for "murderer" as far as I can tell, if that's the case then they could just be a cruel underworld family who kills recklessly among managing other operations (like sake-steel weapons manufacturing perhaps?) instead of solely dedicating themselves to assassinating specific targets for hire
I get the impression that if the scanlations said that it was just a family of "murderers" it would have sounded far weaker than thinking of "assassins". Also i've seen some posts analyzing the first Sanji's flashback, and it may or may not foreshadowed something:
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It seems that he was still fresh from "assassinations" stuff told or seen by him, since later on he seems to have dropped that side of him as he grew up. It's also true that between Mr. Prince in Alabasta and his plan on Enies Lobby he seems skilled in sneaking around.[/hide]
Anybody believe that it may be possible that Zoro will split from the crew to pursue Jack or Kaidou, along with the Samurais and potentially the Heart Pirates; we won't hear from that party for a year or two until the Big Mom, Vinsmoke, and Sanji stuff blows over, afterwards when we return to the events happening in Wano, we transition from the year(s) of Sanji to the year(s) of Zoro?
Anybody believe that it may be possible that Zoro will split from the crew to pursue Jack or Kaidou, along with the Samurais and potentially the Heart Pirates; we won't hear from that party for a year or two until the Big Mom, Vinsmoke, and Sanji stuff blows over, afterwards when we return to the events happening in Wano, we transition from the year(s) of Sanji to the year(s) of Zoro?
and for what reason should zoro go alone?
especially after he just said that sanji was an idiot for going alone?
I didn't think that Zoro was calling him a idiot for going off alone, but for jeopardizing the current goals of the crew for selfish reason; albeit Sanji really didn't have a choice in the matter.
I didn't think that Zoro was calling him a idiot for going off alone, but for jeopardizing the current goals of the crew for selfish reason; albeit Sanji really didn't have a choice in the matter.
Zoro is just being tsundere.
I agree with you, seem more level headed. Sanji did take a good opportunity to make sure the crew rest of the crew mates were safe, all I'm saying is that moment when Nami / Brook told Sanji to come out of Capone he choose to stay instead of jumping out and reasoning with Capone.
But Sanji being inside is the bargaining ship. Sure Sanji could come out, but that would simply transform the situation into a full fledge battle with the wound minks and half of the crew, on his side.
How can Sanji know he won't be able to negociate? He shooted Pekoms without hesitation and dismissed Sanji's opinion early on. The reason he cannot isn't because he doesn't have something Capone want(he got the others free that way) but because Capone would not let his advantage go away(minks healing and 2-3 supernovas).
I also think the translation might have been off by a tad not sure if Zoro was really that harsh about Sanji it does come off as mean but he still has a point. If Sanji was capable of calming Big Mom down with a negotiation Zou wouldn't have to suffer that'd be part of the deal or even make an agreement to meet on another Island to discuss the arrangements which Sanji's family has put forth.
Meh. The wording isn't the problem, but the intent and visual. MS probably spiced it up but they surely did not invent Zoro dismissing Sanji from his confortable position or blaming the Big mom situation on him.
Considering Brook explained the way Sanji end up in his position, he should be able to see Capone was not going to live Zou without Sanji or give them time to regroup. So really his whole Big Mom comment(which is suppose to make him right) does not hold up.
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This page is gold! Especially panel 2, I haven't laughed this hard from a chapter of OP in a long time.
Makes me wonder if Kid Sanji was on a "mission" during his flashback working on the cruise ship.
Who are the current front runners that people think are part of Sanji's family? So far I think:
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So it seems the crew is going after Sanji, if only to "talk to him." There will be an attempted rescue sure enough. I suppose the samurai are going to follow him there too given that the guy they're looking for isn't there and they don't have anything else to do. But who knows? Same with Law. He could come with or stay behind on Zou. Depends on if something will happen on the island to sidetrack them while they try to depart.
Also, Pedro's lack of personal space is indeed hilarious.
Totally unrelated to anything else, but I've just realized that Brooke has never won a hard-fought battle the entire time we've seen him. You know, where he actually takes damage, but isn't beaten.
I realize it's a little difficult for Oda to do with him, since breaking a bone would normally pretty much sever whatever was broken for a skeleton, but in any case, hope we get to see to see him overcome something meaningful in the coming arc.
Robin could use some more of that, too. And I guess Chopper.
@Long:
Luffy was doing quite fine at sneaking into impel down into buggy flashily got caught
You make it sound like he ninja'd his way in there all by himself.
The scale of this "island" is so much better in this chapter vs other islands post time skip. It felt huge and the perspective is really nice.
I'm calling it now. Brook has a grudge against Sanji's dad and he will fight him 1v1 at some point. Boy would that be awesome…
Brooke was in the florian triangle for 50 years so I think grandfather is more likely.
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You make it sound like he ninja'd his way in there all by himself.
Well i'm just saying when he wants to be sneaky and doesnt decided to kick down the front door he can be quite stealthy himself, Its just depending on his mind frame, he took his mission to save ace really seriously fwiw
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Why would they come after Brooks crew ?
Puts on theory goggles*
Maybe the king didnt take it to kindly when his " general " or whatever his position was just left, perhaps brook abdicated his title during a war ( between non WG nations perhaps ) and the opposing side won. The scorned king might have had to flee in disgrace like wapol and if he took any money…. He could have put a pretty penny on brook's head ( not knowing about his DF of course ) in revenge.
Or something like that
Makes me wonder if Kid Sanji was on a "mission" during his flashback working on the cruise ship.
If he was why would he be defending the ship so crazily against Zeff like he did? Seems like a pirate attack would be the ideal time to kill his target. Or if he was en route to sneak away and create as little attention as possible to himself lol.
Naw, I think it's clear he ran away from his family or something like that.
@Devil:
The title of the chapter was a given, heh. Nekomamushi wins a lot as a character with each passing chapter, what a guy.
By the way, Jack appears in the newspaper Kureha's holding.
When I saw let's go in the chapter title but had to get to class before I could open it I though the words after it would be, Save Sanji
Glad luffy isnt automatically deciding to save sanji and is listenening here. Dont know what happens next but it'll be interesting
Interesting that Luffy said a new crewmember will join if Sanji gets married.
A number of different scenarios can happen:
1. Sanji actually does get married, but somehow Luffy isn't under Big Mom
2. Sanji and his bride to be absolutely hate each other and never get married.
3. Sanji and his bride to be don't get married…..but they actually do fall for each other.
I for one actually hope something good comes from this. I wouldn't like if it's just a gag.
Hopefully the bride to be is an important figure. I hope she's not another crybaby. If Oda really is foreshadowing and the bride joins the crew, I hope she's pretty chill.
@Jin:
Usopp says in japanese: "おい! チョッパー何固まってんだ", which, based on my limited knowledge of japanese, seems to mean something close to mangastreams translation.
The verb 固まる (katamaru) means: "to harden/solidify/become firm".
Mangapanda would have translated it as " wow chopper your getting pretty hard there "
As Meremaid Man would say to Sanji if he was in One Piece.
It doesn't really make sense as Sanji, had he refused or striked back, would still have picked on the fight anyway.
By letting himself go, he at least guarantees the safety of the other Straw Hats for the time being.
Yes, but being targetted by Big Mom isn't nearly as bad as having to get Sanji back from her. He knows Luffy will come after him no matter what. I can't think of a scenario where what Sanji did isn't either selfish por dumb.
I think Zoro's got a point but we'll see.
Do we know what happened to Momo ? He's been missing throughout the flashback !!
In this chapter Zoro uses the logic and reasoning of a Zoro-fanboy.:ninja:
lol at chopper getting stiff. I liked the chapter, neko was awesome. Really liking zou so far
They have to jump out of his body first coming out of a lower gate from his chest and then run to you to surround you. It's not like you can't see them coming.
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Well if they're were fighting back at that point, we would be going with the direction of them fighting to escape. Not rolling over like they did.
The complete WTF factor of it happening, capone's bizarre power Im referring too, probably stunned them for a few seconds
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This page is gold! Especially panel 2, I haven't laughed this hard from a chapter of OP in a long time.
Breaker breaker, This is new nakama patrol, we have detected a quirk
I kind of like the fact that Pedro is a jaguar mink which makes sense since jaguars often times are native to Spanish speaking countries.
After Nekomamushis words i can already picture Kaidou´s hundred beast army vs SHs and they have the mink-tribe behind them…epic animal battle!!
@Don:
After Nekomamushis words i can already picture Kaidou´s hundred beast army vs SHs and they have the mink-tribe behind them…epic animal battle!!
That would be metal.
@Galaxy:
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Thanks a bunch. I recall reading this now, but it skipped my mind earlier.
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16 chars of LOL
For you guys calling Zoro a jerk, he at least only talks and voice his opinion! as the cook, Sanji failed big time when he poisoned and put razors in Zoro's food! now that was scorn worthy.
Still he was insensitive, but he may have put himself in Sanji's shoes(with or without knowing the whole story) and felt that was irresponsible. With Luffy as the captain, the crew should be extra careful pulling such stunts; Not like Sanji had a better choice or did he? well, at least Zoro had to put that out, whether out of concern for Sanji or the crew..
Zoro is just making sure that everyone understand what it means to face two Yonkos.
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After the next bounty increase, these guys+Jimbe will scare the hell out of any wannabe scary monster. I can already picture it
I'm glad kaido is on the backburner right now. He's the strongest out there and both of his crewmembers (jack and drake) have been show ln to be incredibly capable.
Linlin on the other hand is buffoonish, broke and has far less impressive subordinates
What I hate are:
What I hate are:
- Sanji not try to clarified the situation to Nami and other with his letter.
- Brook keep silent about Vishmoke and singing like didn't care.
- Zoro being jerk blame everything to Sanji.
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It was too dramatic (forced to creat a mistery) ... I feel just read a novel.
But One Piece is a novel and it has been dramatic for a long time