@Don:
do you never thought that something as mighty as haki exists in the new world, some guys who came from there told the people on the GL…"guys there are some heavy dudes out there who are using something called hakiii"
they should be aware that this exists even when most of the people who actually can use it sure are in the NW.
People don't return from the New World… maybe??
People don't return from the New World… maybe??
How did Whitebeard get to Marineford?
lol, sorry, I know your just trying to provide an opposition to the original question but that was funny.
~Kyoujin Pirates Treasurer~
i can't remember but did Kidd and Law mention anything when silvers did Haki 101?
Robin has been searching for poly thingies, and since Haki doesn't seem to play a part (i may be woefully wrong here) she had no interest of finding out about it. she was focusing more on running away from potential harm than fighting i guess.
Robin knows about Haki, she just doesn't want to ruin the thrills of people figuring it out on their own.
~Kyoujin Pirates Treasurer~
A while back there was some discussion about quake and haki. People said Haki has no visual representation and so on. But what the heck is going on here?
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Glowing fist was said to be quake ability some time ago when some folks had an argument over it. But clearly no quake affects happen during the first hit. The second hit which clearly has no "charging" visual is absolutely quake due to the air being cracked and the landscape getting destroyed. So my question is has White Beard mastered is aura to the point that we can see it? It would also explain why some random guy thought Aokiji was hit with the Hakified enhanced version of White Beards weapon, as in it was glowing because of haki and not Quake. Thoughts anyone?
Folks who read One Piece… Just better people. ¯\(ツ)/¯ 
^ You should post the pic in a hidden tag, it is expanding the whole page.
Could be a really fast punch and that is air being displaced… Maybe not.
How did Whitebeard get to Marineford?
lol, sorry, I know your just trying to provide an opposition to the original question but that was funny.
No problem, but in all honesty my response was to this
do you never thought that something as mighty as haki exists in the new world, some guys who came from there told the people on the GL…"guys there are some heavy dudes out there who are using something called hakiii"
they should be aware that this exists even when most of the people who actually can use it sure are in the NW.
here the poster talks about a very specific group of people and my response was directed at him based on this specific group of people.
Whitebeard, Shanks, Moria and Mihawk etc don't fit. The only character I can think of that would fit this group would be that Phoenix dude and his crew (from anime filler) and he is not canon.
I know you were just joking but since you mentioned it I thought about clearing it up for any other person that might get confused.
A while back there was some discussion about quake and haki. People said Haki has no visual representation and so on. But what the heck is going on here?
[qimg]http://dl01.mangashare.com/manga/One-Piece/575/006.jpg[/qimg]
Glowing fist was said to be quake ability some time ago when some folks had an argument over it. But clearly no quake affects happen during the first hit. The second hit which clearly has no "charging" visual is absolutely quake due to the air being cracked and the landscape getting destroyed. So my question is has White Beard mastered is aura to the point that we can see it? It would also explain why some random guy thought Aokiji was hit with the Hakified enhanced version of White Beards weapon, as in it was glowing because of haki and not Quake. Thoughts anyone?
How is that any different than this?
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How is that any different than this?
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Well I don't see any quaking effects from that.
So I'd assume he imbued his weapon with haki.
He'd be the only person to this point of the manga to cause a glowing effect when using hacki. The fact that nobody else has ever done anything like that is what makes me think the glowing is his fruit power. That doesn't mean that he wasn't also using hacki, though.
How is that any different than this?
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There is no difference as far as I can tell. I'm just thinking back to an arguement where someone went on about no Haki users shown so far had any visual representation of their attacks. And someone swore up and down that glowing stuff was quake. Just wondering for those doubting does the latest chapter put any confusion to rest? Or am I clearly missing something?
Maybe you all settled on that arguement some time ago and I just didn't catch it. The glowing is Haki right?
The fact that nobody else has ever done anything like that, the fact that Whitebeard has used hacki on a logia user without a visual representation, and also the fact that when he first used that glowing effect he caused a quake on a Devil Fruit-less Marine's head, is what makes me think the glowing is his fruit power. That doesn't mean that he wasn't also using hacki as well, though.
^^ Fixed.
The glowing is Haki right?
Wrong. The glowing is his (presumably 'compressed') ability. Hancock has shown us that Ambition and Devil Fruit powers can be combined, but no one ever has shown a visual representation of Ambition. Also, as mentioned above, Whitebeard has used Ambition without a visual representation as well as used that visual representation when using only a quake. Ergo all evidence points towards it being his ability.
^^ Fixed.
Wrong. The glowing is his (presumably 'compressed') ability. Hancock has shown us that Ambition and Devil Fruit powers can be combined, but no one ever has shown a visual representation of Ambition. Also, as mentioned above, Whitebeard has used Ambition without a visual representation as well as used that visual representation when using only a quake. Ergo all evidence points towards it being his ability.
I see, though i'm not entirely convinced. So even when he does use quake it won't always make cracks everywhere?
Folks who read One Piece… Just better people. ¯\(ツ)/¯
I see, though i'm not entirely convinced. So even when he does use quake it won't always make cracks everywhere?
No, it wont. There were no cracks when he tilted the island, and that was unquestionably his fruit power.
Since it was mentioned:
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I see, though I'm not entirely convinced. So even when he does use quake it won't always make cracks everywhere?
Correct. We have seen people use Ambition without a visual representation, but we have not seen a person use Ambition with a visual representation. We have seen Whitebeard use his ability with visual representation, including attacks that had no "quake" effect (IE: cracks), as well as attacks that did not utilize Ambition. We have also seen Whitebeard use Ambition without a visual representation or quake, which reflects the above statements. Lastly, we have seen Boa Hancock use Ambition with a Devil Fruit power, so we know it should be possible for Whitebeard to do the same.
No, it wont. There were no cracks when he tilted the island, and that was unquestionably his fruit power.
Since it was mentioned:
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Thank you both, but it was this example which really clears it up for me.
Are these boobs from the One Piece movie that is only remembered for its boob animation? http://apforums.net/customavatars/avatar13472_2.gif
(I've yet to see a movie, but would watch this one)
Anyone know which Movie he's talking about.
I've only seen the first 4, and am in the process of watching the others.
How did San Juan Wolf fit?
Oda does not use a visual representasion when we already know a chracter has haki
@Uzumaki_D_Kenichi:
Anyone know which Movie he's talking about.
I've only seen the first 4, and am in the process of watching the others.
It's from the filler episodes right after Thriller Bark. 2 episodes made from like 2 panels of the comic. Again, not a movie, episodes right after thriller bark.
I started watching One Piece a few years ago but just started reading the Manga last year.
First, when people in Japan buy the One Piece Manga, is it in black and white or is it in color?
Second, when we get to view the latest episodes of the Manga (Manga Stream or another Manga host site) are we seeing the latest version that folks in Japan see or are we a few weeks behind what they have seen?
Thanks
It's in black and white.
As for the other question. No, we're not a few weeks behind. The weekly chapters come out to sale on mondays, but we get them several days beforehand (on wednesdays). So we're reading the same chapter as the Japanese people, but they are reading it only a few days later.
It's in black and white.
As for the other question. No, we're not a few weeks behind. The weekly chapters come out to sale on mondays, but we get them several days beforehand (on wednesdays). So we're reading the same chapter as the Japanese people, but they are reading it only a few days later.
wait what??? we get the scans after not beforehand right?
you read it here more earlier than when you would live in japan and would buy the shonen jump.
Unrevealed: Loki/Rocks/the man marked by flames/Im-san
Island: Elbaf/Raftel/GodValley
Unresolved: Weevil´s plan/Joy-Boy/Zunisha´s story/Rocks flashback/Void Century/Rioponeglyph/Uranus/the D.clan
DFWind/Metal/Acid/Liquid/Time-Stop
Yes we read the pirate manga so we are proud of the pirates of the scanlations 
It's in black and white.
As for the other question. No, we're not a few weeks behind. The weekly chapters come out to sale on mondays, but we get them several days beforehand (on wednesdays). So we're reading the same chapter as the Japanese people, but they are reading it only a few days later.
We get cam raw on Wednesdays… HQ usually come on Thursday or Friday right??
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wait what??? we get the scans after not beforehand right?
No, thats wrong. You have already read chapter 575 right? Well, in japan they wont be able to do that until monday. Why do you think spoiler providers have to be that careful?? They could even end up in jail just because of posting the spoils…
No, thats wrong. You have already read chapter 575 right? Well, in japan they wont be able to do that until monday. Why do you think spoiler providers have to be that careful?? They could even end up in jail just because of posting the spoils…
hmm looked it up myself and it turns out you're right
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/5999/scan001z.jpg
We get cam raw on Wednesdays… HQ usually come on Thursday or Friday right??
depends… we have had cam raw from tuesday-thursday and hq from wednesday-friday
and this thread should be merged with http://www.apforums.net/showthread.php?t=22347
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Oda does not use a visual representasion when we already know a chracter has haki
It's not about whether one has it, but about when one uses it.
@kmohyudin:
So this means it can't be done??
'Fraid so. Just type "Computer says no" and you'll get the picture.
Thanks for the information.
When Ace was younger, asking villagers about the possibility of Roger having a son and those villagers told nasty things about what they would do to Roger's son, was that Fuschia Village or a neighboring village? The people at Fuschia Village have been shown to proud of Luffy's doings and they should know that Luffy's dream is to be the Pirate King. I just find it hard to believe that the villagers who talked horribly about Roger and his son are the same villagers who years later would be praising Luffy's success as a pirate.
When Ace was younger, asking villagers about the possibility of Roger having a son and those villagers told nasty things about what they would do to Roger's son, was that Fuschia Village or a neighboring village? The people at Fuschia Village have been shown to proud of Luffy's doings and they should know that Luffy's dream is to be the Pirate King. I just find it hard to believe that the villagers who talked horribly about Roger and his son are the same villagers who years later would be praising Luffy's success as a pirate.
Ace's background is really unclear. We know he was taken in by Garp and perhaps this event occurred around the time he was with Dadan. Garp brought Luffy to Ace and Dadan, at that time Luffy already had his scar so apparently this was after Shanks left Fuusha Village.
Then Luffy sets out again from Fuusha Village even though he should have been where ever Ace and Dadan were… So, the best answer I can think of is that Luffy was brought to another place where Ace was, then before setting out to see he wanted to meet his old friends in the Village.
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I thought Ace was just still on some island in South/West Blue beating up those villagers before they went to Fuusha village at w/e time.
When Ace was younger, asking villagers about the possibility of Roger having a son and those villagers told nasty things about what they would do to Roger's son, was that Fuschia Village or a neighboring village? The people at Fuschia Village have been shown to proud of Luffy's doings and they should know that Luffy's dream is to be the Pirate King. I just find it hard to believe that the villagers who talked horribly about Roger and his son are the same villagers who years later would be praising Luffy's success as a pirate.
This is question actually has a fairly straight forward answer, which is this page. As you can see, Ace was fighting with the dudes who were unknowingly insulting him before he ever met Luffy. This was most likely on the island he was on before he came to Fuschia Village.
But it can be seen though that Ace was on East Blue when he was a baby.
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-000/page019.html
So it's definitely at least near Fuschia Village because Ace was already moved to East Blue when he was a baby. And it shows Fuschia Village in that scene too. I don't know. It's this possible contradiction that the villagers show that really confuses me. Unless of course Ace was in a neighboring village when he talked about Roger.
But it can be seen though that Ace was on East Blue when he was a baby.
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-000/page019.html
So it's definitely at least near Fuschia Village because Ace was already moved to East Blue when he was a baby. And it shows Fuschia Village in that scene too. I don't know. It's this possible contradiction that the villagers show that really confusees me. Unless of course Ace was in a neighboring village when he talked about Roger.
Yeah, that is a problem. That page clearly shows Ace in Fuschia as a baby. It's almost certainly not Fuschia Village later on with the villagers, though, or he would have met Luffy. A neighboring village is possible, or it's also possible that Ace traveled around more than we realize. Perhaps that scene is before Garp left him with Dadan elsewhere. It's also a possibility that Oda made a mistake. I really do believe it's not supposed to be Fuschia where the problems are occuring, though.
I really liked the idea of Ace having those problems on Batteria. It would make sense, since several of the villagers there were rounded up and killed on suspicion of banging Roger (carrying his child). They'd almost certainly hold a grudge against him.
In an unrelated question, this page has started bothering me recently. There was absolutely nothing obstructing Ace from looking up at the sky on the execution platform.
Unless Luffy wasn't born on Fuschia/Fuusha village either as far as Ace already meeting Luffy.
There is no wind blowing in the calm belt right?
Why are the clouds swirling in these pics?
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/542/04-05/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/547/16-17/
On another note, look carefully at Lafitte's clothes and hands, the cloth design was changed and the hands are gone, and instead wings are there. Does this mean Lafitte's a zoan and not a paramecia?
Hi!
I've been thinking and I believe Oda made a mistake when Akainu kills Ace. Akainu says something like "Magma can burn even fire", but, in terms of temperature, fire is almost always hotter than lava or magma. So, to me, the way Akainu killed Ace is wrong physically speaking. Of course, nobody gives a damn about my ramblings, but I felt it was necessary tell everyone about this for my mental health. Furthermore, Ace was one of my favorite characters so I feel it is my duty to make clear that Akainu was mistaken and Ace's fire was capable of withstand the Admiral's lava and survive unharmed.
Here I have some comparatives between magma/lava temperatures and those of the fire:
Fire first:
Under normal gravity conditions and with a closed oxygen valve, a Bunsen burner burns with yellow flame (also called a safety flame) at around 1,000 °C. Flame temperatures of common items include a blow torch - which can burn usually up to around 1,600 °C, a candle at 1,400 °C, a propane torch at 1,995 °C, or a much hotter oxyacetylene combustion at 3,000 °C. Cyanogen produces an even hotter flame with a temperature of over 4,525 °C (8,177 °F) when it burns in oxygen.
Magma and lava on the other hand:
It should be noted that magma and lava are two different things, magma is molten rock that lies beneath the surface of the earth; once exposed, magma becomes lava.
Felsic lava can erupt at temperatures as low as 650 to 750 °C. Intermediate or andesitic lavas are lower in aluminium and silica than felsic lavas, and also commonly hotter (in the range of 750 to 950 °C). Mafic or basaltic lavas are typified by their high ferromagnesian content, and generally erupt at temperatures in excess of 950 °C. Ultramafic lavas are thought to have erupted at temperatures of 1600 °C.
Magma is a complex high-temperature fluid substance. Temperatures of most magmas are in the range 700 °C to 1300 °C, but very rare carbonatite melts may be as cool as 600 °C, and komatiite melts may have been as hot as 1600 °C.
So, the outcome of said battle, (I'm a physicist, so speaking as a One Piece-lover-physicist) would have been, in the worst scenario a tie. But Ace would have the upper hand in other possible scenarios.
Thanks for reading my idiot ramblings this far, I know they're futil but still I had to tell everyone that magma or lava can't burn even fire, Akainu's power is colder than Ace's…
Nevertheless, Ace died, Oda wrote it, and that's that.
P.S. Sorry if my post isn't that clear, I'm still working on my english skills.
P.S.2. Again, sorry if someone else has already said something like this before.
That or Ace stayed solid to save Luffy .
Hi!
I've been thinking and I believe Oda made a mistake when Akainu kills Ace. Akainu says something like "Magma can burn even fire", but, in terms of temperature, fire is almost always hotter than lava or magma. So, to me, the way Akainu killed Ace is wrong physically speaking. Of course, nobody gives a damn about my ramblings, but I felt it was necessary tell everyone about this for my mental health. Furthermore, Ace was one of my favorite characters so I feel it is my duty to make clear that Akainu was mistaken and Ace's fire was capable of withstand the Admiral's lava and survive unharmed.
Here I have some comparatives between magma/lava temperatures and those of the fire:
Fire first:
Under normal gravity conditions and with a closed oxygen valve, a Bunsen burner burns with yellow flame (also called a safety flame) at around 1,000 °C. Flame temperatures of common items include a blow torch - which can burn usually up to around 1,600 °C, a candle at 1,400 °C, a propane torch at 1,995 °C, or a much hotter oxyacetylene combustion at 3,000 °C. Cyanogen produces an even hotter flame with a temperature of over 4,525 °C (8,177 °F) when it burns in oxygen.Magma and lava on the other hand:
It should be noted that magma and lava are two different things, magma is molten rock that lies beneath the surface of the earth; once exposed, magma becomes lava.
Felsic lava can erupt at temperatures as low as 650 to 750 °C. Intermediate or andesitic lavas are lower in aluminium and silica than felsic lavas, and also commonly hotter (in the range of 750 to 950 °C). Mafic or basaltic lavas are typified by their high ferromagnesian content, and generally erupt at temperatures in excess of 950 °C. Ultramafic lavas are thought to have erupted at temperatures of 1600 °C.
Magma is a complex high-temperature fluid substance. Temperatures of most magmas are in the range 700 °C to 1300 °C, but very rare carbonatite melts may be as cool as 600 °C, and komatiite melts may have been as hot as 1600 °C.So, the outcome of said battle, (I'm a physicist, so speaking as a One Piece-lover-physicist) would have been, in the worst scenario a tie. But Ace would have the upper hand in other possible scenarios.
Thanks for reading my idiot ramblings this far, I know they're futil but still I had to tell everyone that magma or lava can't burn even fire, Akainu's power is cooler (in terms of temperature) than Ace's…
Nevertheless, Ace died, Oda wrote it, and that's that.
P.S. Sorry if my post isn't that clear, I'm still working on my english skills.
P.S.2. Again, sorry if someone else has already said something like this before.
@Kairouseki:
That or Ace stayed solid to save Luffy
But still, Akainu and Ace clashed before and Ace got "burned". That's when Akainu said his "magma-can-burn-even-fire" bullshit.
When Ace was younger, [..] was that Fuschia Village or a neighboring village?
This was most likely on the island he was on before he came to Fuschia Village.
But it can be seen though that Ace was on East Blue when he was a baby. It's this possible contradiction that the villagers show that really confuses me.
You brought this up in December, NANLIT. Maybe you forgot. Either way, I think my response then covers most of the bases that we can cover until Dadan is introduced and/or we get more flashback information. Forgive how messy the post is. To answer the question though, no, I don't believe that was Fuscia. The primary reason being that Fuscia is a small village full of windmills and cows (hence the name), whereas the one we see Ace at had full streets with multi-story buildings and/or houses. Plus, as Urouge points out, it was all seemingly before he met Luffy. Anyway, my other post:
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Yeah, this is something that has confused me for a while now. Chapter 0 has Garp and Ace in Fuscia village, as can be seen by the FISH Market sign, the Windmills, and a younger Woop Slap and Makino. That's before Luffy is born though. Later on, in Chapter 440, we see Woop Slap commenting on whether or not Dadan knows about the Enies Lobby incident as well. Obviously that is referring to him having raised Luffy, which we know from Chapter 551 takes place after Luffy meets Shanks, but what confuses me is that Garp takes Luffy to live with Ace and Dadan; as in, takes Luffy away from Fuscia and to another city or town. Aside from the implication, the most recent chapter shows Ace hanging out in the same spot whenever Dadan or Garp comes to find him, which appears to be the same one as Chapter 551. We know from this recent chapter that the hill must be near the place Ace stayed at, which was obviously not Fuscia if you judge from the size of the buildings. It's certainly no plot hole, but Woop Slap clearly knows Dadan from the comment in Chapter 440 despite Chapter 551 implying that Ace and Dadan live elsewhere. I know we always assumed Ace and Luffy grew up (post-Shanks) at Fuscia, but this whole setup suggests otherwise. Which makes me wonder where exactly they "trained" and "grew up", and why Luffy was seen leaving Fuscia Village in Chapter 1 instead of the other city he may or may not have been raised at. It could all be as simple as "they moved" or "Luffy returned home" or similar, but it makes me wonder…
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Best we can say about Ace vs. Akainu…
Crazy Oda physics.
Or how about, with the different usages of devil fruit powers, Akainu can mostly attack with his magma at the highest temperatures recorded, while Ace fights with the average temperature of fire. Then there's people saying that magma holds more thermal energy than fire, and that magma can smother a fire. Or...just nod your head and go with it?
i wonder if moria was collecting shadows in the current arc. I used to imagine moria fighting in the battlefield in daylight, he'd be sucking up shadows and everyone dying in his path
Yes lava "burning" fire is ridic, but lava beating fire on the whole makes sense. Lava/magma is just superheated (and pressurized) molten rock, and lava pouring out of a volcano is going to consume any fire it comes across.
I'm just going to say it was regular not as hot as Magma fire, and that's why it happened. Ergo, it was the type of fire that's hotter then Magma, then he'd been OK.
Okay not that I am a Physics expert or even that physics should be involved with Manga, but people keep bringing this up so I am going to say what I want (this is what I thought happened)!!
Fire is just a visual representation of heat and heat (in its basic form) is just rapid movement of atoms (or something like that) so in essence fire (without anything to burn it on) is just heated air (or gas).
For those who think it is just energy, the only form of energy that can exist without form is light cuz of its dual nature, every other energy must have some form of mass to support it. So Ace is heated air!!
Magma is heated solids (that have become liquid) with mass. Magma (if its hotter then fire, IDK) when coming in contact with a body with lower temperature (i.e. Ace) will transfer its heat (there is a law or something like that IDK) and the transfer will keep taking place until an equilibrium is reached. Which means Akainu will keep heeting up Ace until he is at the temperature of Magma.
Note that this whole time the motion of Ace's atoms have been increasing (that is what heat is) and when atoms move fast enough, they break apart (from each other, nothing "nuclear" going on here) well he has gone far above what he is capable of hence he takes damage!!
Okay if anyone agrees with all this, I will be very surprised.
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