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    • Daz
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      Even considering Kubos miserable track record, i thought he would at least try a little for the series ending. You know, asess the fallout of the conflict, and how people respond to the conflict. Lessons learned. Arcs completed. Dreams achieved. Themes reaffirmed. Some sense of closure for the characters, and a memorable outtro.

      Instead, Kubo mostly skipped the ending, and went straight for the epilogue, which ain't the same thing. Especially considering the handling of the giant empty void by the name of Kurosaki Ichigo. But really, how can you make a compelling resolution when your main character has no character? Ichigo had nothing that he wanted, no dreams or ambitions, and the best Kubo could come up with for a drive was the relentlessly generic "he wants to protect things". Eh, lets stick him in the family clinic as a doctor despite showing no interest in said profession, I guess that'll do. Throghout the arc, nay, series, villains would relentlessly try and forge some emotional connection between Ichigo and the current arc, and time and again Ichigo would fail to respond to it beyond surface level "!?". Ichigos increased manbearpiggedness, recurring revelations that his life has been masterminded, confrontations with his mothers murderer ultimately mean nothing, because Ichigo never seems to reflect on it, the story doesn't DO anything with it. Just look at this week where Ywhach is free to vomit out accusations and philosophy at Ichigo, who respond is nothing more than "…"

      Ichigo is an empty husk of a character, and Bleach itself has never aspired to any themes more complex than "fighting", as per Kubos own words. So in the end, Kubo zooms in on the easy way out; the way of fanservice. "What will X look like 10 years from now" and "what would X and Ys kid look like" is the kind of stuff people put in over the credits once the actual ending is done. Its the kind of cute extra that Oda might cook up in an SBS. The closest thing to an actual story resolution we get is Aizen monologuing to an empty room in order to explain what actually fucking happened in the final battle, while incomprehensible nonsense happens with Ywhachs black goo. Thats the note we leave the SS characters on; looking at some swirling goo vanishing. And the ultimate message we get is just "COURAGE!", superimposed not on Ichigo doing something heroic, like a two page spread of rescuing some poor ghost from a hollow, but on Ichigo having a random argument with Rukia.

      Character design updates while a character gives a deadpan literal explanation the moral of the story using flowery language. Thats the note Bleach ends on.

      Speaking of, I appreciate that Aizen got locked up again as opposed to Orochimaru running free, but are you seriously telling me that Aizen let himself be captured, and that AIZEN gets the reading of the saccharine moral of the story? At least Oros continued horrible experimentation was in character.

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        Everything turned out fine in the end

        with Ichigo still living at his parent's house

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          @Raistlin:

          I thought Ichigo x Rukia was the only saving grace of the manga left.

          Yeah, because those two screwing would have totally undone all the crappy plot up until now, right?

          You shippers are insane.

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            Is Harribel still locked up in the rape dungeon?

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              i can't believe Isshin just died offscreen like that

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                @MetaMario:

                Is Harribel still locked up in the rape dungeon?

                Chad saved her, and now she's his manager.

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                  @SomeRandomGuy:

                  Yeah, because those two screwing would have totally undone all the crappy plot up until now, right?

                  You shippers are insane.

                  It won't and I'm pretty sure he doesn't mean that.
                  It won't undo a single shit because it doesn't need to. The only purpose for the shipping to happen was because it was well deserved.
                  It was one of the limited aspects left of this Manga that kept us attached to it.

                  It's likely the same thing if one day One Piece loses any comprehension in story telling but people still love it for the sole interaction between the crew members.
                  Won't happen it's an example. Might be a bad one, but you get the point.
                  It's the same reason why people keep reading Spider man no matter how many terrible reboots it have.
                  There's a certain sense of attachment to the relationships in the Manga

                  Just because 99 out of 100 good stuff about Bleach turned into 1 out of 100 doesn't dismiss the 1.

                  It's not that difficult to figure out why we grow so attached to certain characters despite a shitty plot.
                  It's been years and we wanted a satisfying conclusion for them, something we feel deserved.

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                    About that Free Pass Karin talked about, was that some kind of mention of an incest?

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                      Especially when Ichigo and Rukia chemistry is literally the only decent interaction that Kubo has ever written. And this is coming from someone who has never really liked Rukia to begin with.

                      This chapter was a great example of that as Ichigo and Rukia's bricking were the only stand out part of the chapter while everyone is just shitty background noise that nobody really gives a fuck about.

                      Having watched the earlier parts of the series, i can definitely say that Orihime's character never seemed to fit in even in the beginning and just seemed like she was thrown in because shonen needs to be more than one female characters in the main character. She adds nothing to the interaction, or the plot itself. And knowing the ending pretty much reinforces why her character is so goddamn pointless.

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                        I'm sad that Chad's opponent wasn't revealed to be Mamoru Takamura
                        that'd be the most appropriate way to finish him off

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                          Am I just witnessing a shipping drama… on Arlong Park... in a Bleach thread... with some Naruto thrown into the mix? How do I get back... to my own universe?

                          All hail Machvise-sama, Arlong Park Character Tournament 2016 Champion!

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                            About that Free Pass Karin talked about, was that some kind of mention of an incest?

                            Wouldn't that be referring to that special pass thing that the humans who were left behind got from one of the captains as a one time ticket to the afterlife? Which then joined the list of things that were never brought up again.

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                              W-was not even Kon seriously in the last chapter? What.

                              NNID: Panekai

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                                Bleach is one of the few shows I've watched where in the end, I say "What the fuck was even the point in this". And also "What the fuck was this shit even about".

                                My fucking god, it's ridiculous.

                                Bleach is one of those shows which never had a goal - which is fine. So Kubo SHOULD have focused it on Ichigo's coming of age; his experiences with both real life, and also shinigami life - which he actually DID d early on… but then stopped it shortly after the Vizard arc began. Consequently, that's when Bleach fell apart:

                                Kubo never really had a long term plot for the show: he said himself that the Aizen twist was written on the spot, and that he tends to write in a bunch of characters when he gets writer's block.

                                Put two and two together, and you see why Bleach became a meandering shitfest of endless fights between new characters with no development, and supporting characters that have little development (that they shoehorn in at the end of the fights).

                                And in the meanwhile, the former main characters like Ichigo, Chad, Orihimie, Uryu, Rukia (and even the side characters they were gonna be major like Tatsuki and Ichigo's sisters) either COMPLETELY LOSE their characters... or just fucking never appear anymore.

                                And that's bad, since again, Bleach never had a clear journey-style plot like Naruto and One Piece did.. it NEEDED Ichigo and his love ones/friends to be involved, since that's the only way Bleach could actually work as a show. But because those characters were fucked... the show fell apart as well.

                                I mean Naruto's last chapter was shit as well (why skip the very moments that the show was building up to? Kishi should have spent time showing the chapters after the Kaguya fight and letting everyone acknowledge Naruto. ).

                                But Bleach was even worse, because the show never even built up to any moment. It's epilogue was full of characters that no one really gave any shits about anymore, or had stunted character development. It didn't tie up that many loose ends. It didn't give any message, conclude any THEMES the show used to have, etc.

                                Bleach is the textbook example of how to not write a story past a certain point. PLAN AHEAD WHEN YOU WRITE.

                                FMA 03> FMA Brotherhood

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                                  @Somewhere:

                                  Wouldn't that be referring to that special pass thing that the humans who were left behind got from one of the captains as a one time ticket to the afterlife? Which then joined the list of things that were never brought up again.

                                  I'm talking about this.
                                  http://mangastream.com/r/bleach/686/3613/14

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                                    So I guess there is no negative side to having no Soul King?

                                    _How much can you do? Just grab a ball and juggle.

                                    All those balls in the air, How hard can it be?

                                    So hard you're getting dizzy!

                                    Keep those balls in the air, Keep those balls in the ai-air!

                                    Balls in the air!_

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                                      @ShinigamiKing:

                                      Bleach is one of those shows which never had a goal - which is fine. So Kubo SHOULD have focused it on Ichigo's coming of age; his experiences with both real life, and also shinigami life - which he actually DID d early on… but then stopped it shortly after the Vizard arc began. Consequently, that's when Bleach fell apart

                                      I've always appreciated the irony of that point in the story being in a volume titled "Goodbye, Halcyon Days"

                                      Spoiler:

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                                        What happened with Ichigo's classmates?

                                        His dad and Uryu's dad?

                                        Chad?

                                        There's probably more. I don't wanna repeat my post on the last page but Bleach is really a textbook example of of a bad show.

                                        And it sucks because it started out so good.

                                        I think Bleach was written by two different people.

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                                          @KageKageKing:

                                          I'm talking about this.
                                          http://mangastream.com/r/bleach/686/3613/14

                                          Oh. That strikes me more as more teasing about one side of the relationship than referencing actual past events.

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                                            @ShinigamiKing:

                                            What happened with Ichigo's classmates?

                                            His dad and Uryu's dad?

                                            Chad?

                                            There's probably more. I don't wanna repeat my post on the last page but Bleach is really a textbook example of of a bad show.

                                            And it sucks because it started out so good.

                                            I think Bleach was written by two different people.

                                            Chad was there. He was the reason they gathered up at Ichigo's place. To watch his boxing match.

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                                              What's Ichigo's character? When I look at the frist 180 chapters, I see a well-written character. But now it's a flat regurgitation.

                                              What does Bleach really mean in the end (story-wise)?

                                              Bleach is the example of a non-satisfying story.

                                              Its ending is worse than Reborn - YES, because Reborn simply shit on the fans. But Bleach was an ending that we all knew would be bad, and more importantly, perfectly summarizes the issues of the show effortlessly.

                                              FMA 03> FMA Brotherhood

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                                                Bleach is Bleach. Back in the beginning it was really, really, good. Both manga and the anime. At some point it almost turned into a parody of itself. The ending is rushed as hell, nonsensical and unsatisfying. But that doesn't wipe (fully) that the first parts were probably one of the best I've seen in these formats.

                                                Can't deny that the delicious shipper tears from that 2ch link pleasure me greatly, though.

                                                "Where we're going, we won't need eyes to see."

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                                                  @ShinigamiKing:

                                                  What's Ichigo's character? When I look at the frist 180 chapters, I see a well-written character. But now it's a flat regurgitation.

                                                  What does Bleach really mean in the end (story-wise)?

                                                  Bleach is the example of a non-satisfying story.

                                                  Its ending is worse than Reborn - YES, because Reborn simply shit on the fans. But Bleach was an ending that we all knew would be bad, and more importantly, perfectly summarizes the issues of the show effortlessly.

                                                  No…nothing tops that nightmare,to me.

                                                  “When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it–always.”

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                                                    Damn, I'll have to complete reading Reborn one of these days (like during Winter or something), just to see what all the fuss is about.

                                                    Originally Posted by Outerspec

                                                    Trying to understand Bleach is like trying to drink a bottle of bleach.

                                                    It makes no sense and you'll be dead before you're finished.

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                                                      Gotta love Orihime being nothing as character as the series went on, and her becoming a full-blown housewife with little dialogue in the final chapter.

                                                      @Cyclone_Baroness:

                                                      Chad was there. He was the reason they gathered up at Ichigo's place. To watch his boxing match.

                                                      I meant his fights

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                                                      No…nothing tops that nightmare,to me.

                                                      Yes bro, yes. Reborn was insulting as a ending, but Bleach's ending is flat out how to not write a show to begin with.

                                                      FMA 03> FMA Brotherhood

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                                                        Speaking of Reborn…

                                                        ! What the fuck was the name of Kaoru's flames?

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                                                          @Bartholemew:

                                                          Well at least it's somewhat deep considering that it's quite a debatable question whether black and white are considered colours.

                                                          It is?

                                                          @MajinArekkusu:

                                                          And regarding Orihimes big ass…well she is a milf now afterall. xD

                                                          All that chest fat transferred elsewhere it seems.

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                                                          I would think that Japan and Jump would have, considering how much money Bleach made with the movies, live action musicals, merchandising and frankly 10+ years of runtime in Jump would have earned it the chance to least end on a nice number like 700, not halfway through was clearly the last half of the arc. 14 more chapters probably wouldn't have fixed everything, but it would have let the series more breathing room to end. To wrap up points like the Soul King, Ukitake, those soul tickets that were revealed but ended up doing jack shit, etc.

                                                          Pffft that's being awfully presumptuous.

                                                          @Daz:

                                                          And in the end, the only thing Orihime does in the finale- the same girl who once drew this as her future self - is appear with an apron for one page. We don't even see her cook. We don't see anyone even eat.

                                                          Kubo seems to be unaware that the guys in the anime made a short that shows she can't cook.

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                                                          I'm sad that Chad's opponent wasn't revealed to be Mamoru Takamura
                                                          that'd be the most appropriate way to finish him off

                                                          A better way for him to get finished off would've been to pair him with someone. Though I guess Chad had to be denied that too:ninja:

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                                                          I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting

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                                                            Gotta love Orihime being nothing as character as the series went on, and her becoming a full-blown housewife with little dialogue in the final chapter.

                                                            Ichigo is literally using her as a stool in the Colour Spread.

                                                            Still better than a robot tank that shoots missiles from the boobs.

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                                                              But you really gotta love Chad, who once promised never to fight except to protect people, now fighting for a living

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                                                                But you really gotta love Chad, who once promised never to fight except to protect people, now fighting for a living

                                                                Guess he gave it up since he sucked at it.

                                                                Originally Posted by Ubiq

                                                                I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting

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                                                                  Well, that happened. At least Chad got away from that group of losers he used to hang with (and Rukia)… too bad he didn't take Tatsuki with him.

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                                                                    So let's see…

                                                                    -Why waste time with Hiyori when you could have put literally anyone there? Yoruichi and Urahara anyone?

                                                                    -where the hell is Isshin? Did he die offscreen so Ichigo could take over the clinic? If so why does no one say anything about him? Kubo remembered all of Ichigo's friends but forgot his dad? wth

                                                                    -Fuck off namedropping one of Orihime's fairies. We know you either forgot them or decided it was too much effort to draw them (or both) a loooong time ago, Kubo.

                                                                    -Chad turned into one of the first characters he jobbed to: Kyoraku Shunsui. Must be an easy job boxing against normal humans when your punches can demolish buildings. The jobber has become the uh... jobbee?

                                                                    -Uryu is everyone's friend but he can't take the day off to watch Chad's match because he's married to his job in a profession he didn't want to pursue last I remember. Keep on Kuboing, Kubo.

                                                                    -Kubo's last act of trolling is starting a shipping apocalypse via cliche married w/ kids epilogue rather than an attempt at an actual ending. The kids bring up questions I'm already seeing people ask like "how is Rukia's kids the same age as Ichigo's besides the obvious "because cliche main characters' kids are the same age" trope?" and "how is Ichigo's kid able to just poof into Shinigami mode?" What I'm even more confused by is how Ichigo's kid can just neutralize Ywach by touching the black goop which, by the way, is inexplicably not only in the living world as well as SS somehow but conveniently in the room Ichigo's kid was in at the moment of all places? Really? Nice job making last chapter's cliffhanger turn into a convenient anticlimax that rivals Uryu's deus ex machina arrow actually working to finish Ywach off.

                                                                    -Glad Kubo got at least th OTP of the series right by reuniting Aizen and Chair. Fucking lol at the series' most iconic villain being the one to give the literal moral of the story speech in the end though.

                                                                    -Still not clear how Ywach's plan would have meant no more death. Ukitake's grave was focused on just last chapter! Soul people can die, real people can die, how does merging the two stop this process? Unless souls just can't leave the single unified plane of existence he wanted, but then you could still get lethal injuries/terminal illness but just have to live with it? So everyone can be Kira in Ywach's world, posing with gaping festering holes in their sides... Cancer patients eventually either get a cure or become walking tumors, decapitated people suddenly have to lug their head everywhere ala headless horseman, etc. I imagine Ywach's real reason for a world w/o fear of death isn't for some utopia but just so he can continue being a sadistic prick cutting people up, blasting holes in people, and other various would-be-lethal things but the victims have to just live on in fear and pain with Ywach as some psychopathic deity.

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                                                                      And now my Bleach Epilogue video. Hope you enjoy

                                                                      [And if the band you're in starts playing different tunes
                                                                      I'll see you on the dark side of the moon]

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                                                                        At least Ichigo and Rukia had a bond. Actual moments.

                                                                        Fucking Orihime and Ichigo barely had shit. Ichigo doesn't even talk to Orihime in this chapter.

                                                                        The last time we see Ichigo? He's talking with Rukia like they've done since chapter 1.

                                                                        At least Naruto repsected and admired Hinata the way she admired him, so you could believe that. (or believe it, get hehe)

                                                                        But Ichigo didn't have that with Orihmie - more importantly, he had an acutal connection with Rukia that was stronger.

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                                                                          @Nobodyman:

                                                                          And now my Bleach Epilogue video. Hope you enjoy

                                                                          "Everyone else died of AIDS and shit" Hahahaha this was a better ending then whatever crap we got.

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                                                                            Oh oh oh! I got it. Why Ichigo's kid could remove Bach from existance. He's got Orihime's powers of undoing. There. Solved it.

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                                                                              Oh oh oh! I got it. Why Ichigo's kid could remove Bach from existance. He's got Orihime's powers of undoing. There. Solved it.

                                                                              Kubo: "Oh, good idea. Ima steal that."

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                                                                                Final chapter, that's when the shippers finally find their reason to be: entertain us with their salty tears.

                                                                                Sadly it seems nobody cares too much about Bleach anymore, so the uproar is not as big as I was expecting (where are the IchiRuki?)… I need to relive the days of NaruSaku fans breaking all over the internet (I was actually rooting for that pair, but the reactions were so hilarious I couldn't help).

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                                                                                  At least Ichigo and Rukia had a bond. Actual moments.

                                                                                  Fucking Orihime and Ichigo barely had shit. Ichigo doesn't even talk to Orihime in this chapter.

                                                                                  The last time we see Ichigo? He's talking with Rukia like they've done since chapter 1.

                                                                                  At least Naruto repsected and admired Hinata the way she admired him, so you could believe that. (or believe it, get hehe)

                                                                                  But Ichigo didn't have that with Orihmie - more importantly, he had an acutal connection with Rukia that was stronger.

                                                                                  Yeah his "friendship" with Rukia was much more stronger than his friendship with his alleged BFF Chad:ninja:.

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                                                                                  I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting

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                                                                                    Final chapter, that's when the shippers finally find their reason to be: entertain us with their salty tears.

                                                                                    Sadly it seems nobody cares too much about Bleach anymore, so the uproar is not as big as I was expecting (where are the IchiRuki?)… I need to relive the days of NaruSaku fans breaking all over the internet (I was actually rooting for that pair, but the reactions were so hilarious I couldn't help).

                                                                                    "Praying circle for IchiKia Fans We really need it. Have faith, Kubo will not throw away 600+ chapters of IchiKia development in just one chapter.

                                                                                    random link Look at that for some hope please.

                                                                                    But also respek IchiHime fans. Just like us they have their moments and we will respek it while still shipping this Ship!"

                                                                                    Now say "still shipping this ship" three times very quickly.

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                                                                                      What the heck is Soul Kng? Lol.

                                                                                      Life without a fear of death? Hell, because he is basically a God, why Ywach didnt just eliminate it and we all can go upsy daisy all along together instead of eliminate all n rebuild a new world. Villain mind are so….

                                                                                      Hold on, hold on…. This candle's burned out I won't let it go....

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                                                                                        I don't know what to say, I've never been a Bleach fan, but this ending is as unsatisfying as anything we've been getting from Bleach lately. (not really lately, it's actually been a while since we got something good.)
                                                                                        Actually, I think Kubo avoided a lot worse final chapters, but this is just a result of what he was building up these last years.

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                                                                                        ! Note that the magazine brings more money and faster than all the volume sold of the series of the magazine. And by more I'm talking a lot more. Just the direct sales is enough, but than you have advertisement to add to that.
                                                                                        What a magazine needs is a group of interested series that attract more readers with time and keep the old ones. Bleach for 5 years has been the blacksheep of the magazine.
                                                                                        ! People also seem to forget, but the magazine pays, a lot, an author per page. I believe that 10k Yen(around 100$) per newbies and as they grow they can start getting more and more. When Oda earnings were estimated in one year they estimated that he was earning around 50k Yen(around 500$). I would assume that Kubo, a veteran author that works in Bleach for such a long time also gets around that value per page. Bleach as around 17 pages per chapter, right? That means he gets around 8,500$ per chapter. An amateur mangaka would only get 1,700$.
                                                                                        ! And not only that, but the magazine also pays an annual salary to the authors. And the royalties for the volumes are also bigger. The base is believed to be 10% and is believed that it can go up until 15%. So from the 400k copies per Bleach volume Kubo is getting 60k of them. An amateur that is able to reach those sales would get 40k. 20k less.
                                                                                        ! So the magazine has a manga in decline that is constantly loosing audience and that doesn't brings nobody to the magazine and it still pays this author in a VIP manner.

                                                                                        Thanks for clarification, I always knew these information but for some reason I didn't take them into consideration, I just thought this just isn't that big of a deal for them.

                                                                                        ! The defense about "wait for Bleach all this time and rush it just as the final fight was occurring" is a big faulty one.
                                                                                        ! First, who is to say that the final fight was occurring because of the rushing or the rushing started by the final fight?
                                                                                        ! Second, this about waiting a long time and than suddenly giving up argument is wrong. Things don't work like that. Things pile up, and the fact of all that time passing is a reason in favor not against. You can't say that a victim because it endured half a decade, it should now endure another half. If a wife endured and punch in the face by her abusive husband it should also endure a second one. If Shonen Jump endured Bleach horrible results for 5 years that should endure for a 1 or 2 more.

                                                                                        What I was trying to say here wasn't Jump wait for Kubo longer time, but rather telling him that he should end his manga way in advance.
                                                                                        By that I mean, if the Bleach was really canceled I think Jump would tell Kubo that they would like him to end it during this year, and maybe tell him that the next two volumes should be the last, at least that's what I would expect for such a long running series.
                                                                                        And if that was really the case we would've seen Kubo trying to tie up every loose plotline before ending the manga, however that was completely not the case. This is very noticeable when we consider that the first half of the final volume is just Yhwach rambling about how almighty he is, if Kubo was really trying to wrap up the series and is being rushed I wouldn't think the last volume would look like this.

                                                                                        Last but not least, this discussion will not result in anything important, what matters here is that Bleach has ended.

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                                                                                          "Praying circle for IchiKia Fans We really need it. Have faith, Kubo will not throw away 600+ chapters of IchiKia development in just one chapter.

                                                                                          random link Look at that for some hope please.

                                                                                          But also respek IchiHime fans. Just like us they have their moments and we will respek it while still shipping this Ship!"

                                                                                          Now say "still shipping this ship" three times very quickly.

                                                                                          There are already some suggestions by some people that since IchiRuki is the more popular ship in Japan, Kubo pulled the IchiHime ending to dick his publishers as a final F-You since less of the final volumes would be bought by pissed off Japanese fans. Although it sorta fits Kubo for him to be this petty, think this is all grasping at straws to be honest by those wanting to excuse Kubo for this mess. From around Deicide onwards was all Kubo being a terribel writer.

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                                                                                            What the heck is Soul Kng? Lol.

                                                                                            Life without a fear of death? Hell, because he is basically a God, why Ywach didnt just eliminate it and we all can go upsy daisy all along together instead of eliminate all n rebuild a new world. Villain mind are so….

                                                                                            Because Gremmy actually was Yhwach's thrown away own brain. So I guess him having brain or not doesn't make any difference at all, though.

                                                                                            Forum user Bartholemew Bear passed away in a very moving and touching way. I, ARTEMlS, therefore carry on the Will of DArth for good unto its final fulfilment.

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                                                                                              Ichika is a loli Senna, just realized

                                                                                              Also Kubo threw in some not subtle at all brocon subtext with Yuzu, which weirdly has been accumulating through this series.

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                                                                                                I don't know what to say, I've never been a Bleach fan, but this ending is as unsatisfying as anything we've been getting from Bleach lately. (not really lately, it's actually been a while since we got something good.)
                                                                                                Actually, I think Kubo avoided a lot worse final chapters, but this is just a result of what he was building up these last years.

                                                                                                Thanks for clarification, I always knew these information but for some reason I didn't take them into consideration, I just thought this just isn't that big of a deal for them.

                                                                                                What I was trying to say here wasn't Jump wait for Kubo longer time, but rather telling him that he should end his manga way in advance.
                                                                                                By that I mean, if the Bleach was really canceled I think Jump would tell Kubo that they would like him to end it during this year, and maybe tell him that the next two volumes should be the last, at least that's what I would expect for such a long running series.
                                                                                                And if that was really the case we would've seen Kubo trying to tie up every loose plotline before ending the manga, however that was completely not the case. This is very noticeable when we consider that the first half of the final volume is just Yhwach rambling about how almighty he is, if Kubo was really trying to wrap up the series and is being rushed I wouldn't think the last volume would look like this.

                                                                                                Last but not least, this discussion will not result in anything important, what matters here is that Bleach has ended.

                                                                                                Just to note that the volume meeting where is decided what will go into the volume is made way before the volume actually gets to the public. Oda in an SBS told that it took some weeks I believe even months before. This means that he knew about the cancellation at least a chapter right before volume 73. This is chapter 663, 23 chapter from the ending, around half an year before the ending, and when yoruichi transforms.

                                                                                                Also is important to note that Kubo knew about its manga situation in the magazine, the magazine was 4-5 years constantly in the bottom, and him as a veteran mangaka certainly knew about his situation and obviously he had to be closing stuff up.

                                                                                                I don't know why fans and readers assume the mangaka got the notice of cancellation at the same time as the public or close to it, but that doesn't has to be true and it makes little sense to be that way.
                                                                                                We know that a new manga that is cancelled most times receives the notice to wrap things up around chapter 10, said by many mangakas, but most of the series are end around chapter 25(3 volumes), so they are given 1.5 more time then what they had until that point.

                                                                                                As an example of when the author receives the cancellation notice we have the author of Bobobobo-Bo Bo-Bobo that after that series tried making a new one in Jump but got the cancellation and the author didn't even cared about finishing the given chapters to wrap things up and just left the manga incomplete. That was at chapter 7, and the manga name is "chagecha".

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                                                                                                  Man, I didn't expect the thread to devolve into shipping discussion, of all things

                                                                                                  We're such sad, lonely people.

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                                                                                                    I like that Rukia's kid is literally named "Strawberry".

                                                                                                    Despite ten years of peace, Renji still manages to take an L.

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                                                                                                      Ding dong, "the Heart" is dead.

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                                                                                                      I like that Rukia's kid is literally named "Strawberry".

                                                                                                      Despite ten years of peace, Renji still manages to take an L.

                                                                                                      Isn't it the opposite? He plowed Rukia and made a kid by her, and just to top it off named the kid "strawberry". Seems like an intentional "fuck you" to the IchiRuka fan base.

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                                                                                                        Ichigo had the power to be anything and he chose to be Zoro

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