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Momo's probably referring to Ace which he mistook as Roger himself hahaha
The only thing Ace has in common with Roger is the Gol D. part of the name, Momonosuke talks specifically of meting Roger.
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People are forgetting that Momonosuke knew Nekomamushi and Inuarashi before and knew about their relationship with his father. There is some fishy about Momonosuke age. And now with this meeting Gol D. Roger increased it.
His father could just have told him about Inuarashi and Nekomamushi. Or maybe Oden visited Zou at some point and brought Momo with him.
No big deal, really. Also, Usopp asks if he is confusing Roger with someone else, which implies it was a different person.
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it'd seem Ace went there before he joined WB's crew because he was still with his pirate crew when he met Oars Jr.
His pirate crew joined the WBs as well but even if it was prior to WB… Maybe he got some infos after meeting Shanks or whatever
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shitty time for a break, as always…
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I'm loving this Nami. She's making faces and physically interacting with the crew a lot. I'm very glad we'll focus on the other part of the crew.
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All right, great chapter! There's been so much exposition lately!
So, in theory, we're gonna end up with the Straw Hat Pirates, the Heart Pirates, the Minks, the Samurai of Wano, the remnants of the Whitebeard Pirates (Marco and possibly others), maybe the Straw Hat Grand Fleet, and maybe more people fighting Kaido and the Beast Pirates + the Shogun. When we call it the "Pirate Alliance" saga, that really is no joke.
I still kinda wish all the Straw Hats were going together to Whole Cake, but if we have to off-panel some of them, at least the ones who didn't get screentime in Dressrosa are gonna get a chance to shine. I guess it's possible that whatever happens with Jack and Zunisha may change some things, though.
As for the break…well, of course a week without One Piece is always a bummer, but we want Oda-sensei to stay healthy so he can keep doing a good job, right? Besides, it looks like, for most of last year, there were breaks every three chapters. (Certainly, I saw that there were breaks after 803, 806, and 809.) So far this year, we've had a five-week streak and then a four-week streak. Seems like Oda-sensei is working hard for us, so even if the breaks are a bummer, at least it's better than it was before.
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Damn what a nice chapter. Would've liked it better if Mangastream didn't keep redirecting after ever page.:getlost:
-Yeah little Inu and Neko knew and sailed with WB and Roger cool.
-The crew had some cute moments : Nami was adorable and Franky and Brook are still thinking about Tom and Crocus/Laboon. Its pretty cool how Nami, Brook, and Chopper are going to help Luffy get Sanji.
-Momo met Roger as far as he knows???
-I'm surprised Marco isn't dead after fighting BB
-Zunisha crying… Welp
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His pirate crew joined the WBs as well but even if it was prior to WB… Maybe he got some infos after meeting Shanks or whatever
Nvm. I checked the chapter. You can see WB's symbol on Ace's back.
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No big deal, really. Also, Usopp asks if he is confusing Roger with someone else, which implies it was a different person.
Usopp might be only asking that to lull us into false sense of security. You know as well as I do that Oda doesn't just drop lines to fill space.
If it was Momo's wishful thinking or imagination or confusion, it would have been more simple to debunk it straight away via Kinemon or someone else. The fact it wasn't addressed further allows a possibility that it might be important.
If that translations is correct, of course.
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Nope, the last island has all the info about the poneglyhs and Raftel in normal writing(one that everybody can understand).
A normal pirate crew would travel to the last island and find that One Piece was related with Raftel and the Poneglyths. With that info they would start searching for poneglyths. Possible Big Mon, Kaido and others pirates did that entire voyage and now are in continuously search and war for the poneglyths and Raftel.
Yes that could make sense. But then, you wonder why Nami needs her log pose now since they mostly travel by Vivre cards :-)
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Holy Cowabunga
So, it looks like we're gonna have:
(-kickin Jack's butt)
-Sanji's rescue with Luffy+Curlyhats+Pekoms+Jimbe
-Neko/Inu going after Marco, which will probably bring Weevil in the mix
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So the next arc will involve the opposite members of the SH then. The ones who left dressrosa early (i.e. Nami, Chopper, Brook and Sanji). That makes sense. I wonder what the rest of them will do? Stay on Zou? I also wonder how they plan on getting there, it is not like Pekoms has a ship but I guess some of Inurashi's muskateers will take them in their ship?
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So there IS something off with momo's age. He claims to remember roger. And he remembered dog storm and cat viper being friends, and they stopped being friends after they came back to zou.
What year do the minks think it is? The samurai? Momo? How long has wano been under kaido? Less than the timeskip or the whole great age of pirates.
Oden's crime wouldn't allow to postpone the execution, would it?
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Usopp might be only asking that to lull us into false sense of security. You know as well as I do that Oda doesn't just drop lines to fill space.
If it was Momo's wishful thinking or imagination or confusion, it would have been more simple to debunk it straight away via Kinemon or someone else. The fact it wasn't addressed further allows a possibility that it might be important.
If that translations is correct, of course.
Kin'emon has always stated that Momo is 8 years old, even chastizing Luffy for arguing with a 8-year old.
And just last chapter, we saw Kin'emon saying that Luffy was the only person who treated Momo like an adult. And Momo himself saying "Even I wish to become an adult".
If Momo wasn't truly a kid, then Kin'emon wouldn't really have minded it so much.
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So there IS something off with momo's age. He claims to remember roger. And he remembered dog storm and cat viper being friends, and they stopped being friends after they came back to zou.
What year do the minks think it is? The samurai? Momo? How long has wano been under kaido? Less than the timeskip or the whole great age of pirates.
Oden's crime wouldn't allow to postpone the execution, would it?
I don't think the Roger thing has to be taken seriously…
Unless Bonney is involved:ninja:
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Kin'emon has always stated that Momo is 8 years old, even chastizing Luffy for arguing with a 8-year old.
And just last chapter, we saw Kin'emon saying that Luffy was the only person who treated Momo like an adult.
If Momo wasn't truly a kid, then Kin'emon wouldn't really have minded it so much.
I'm not saying Momo is older, but there might be something fishy there.
Like that time travel crap I joked about. Really hope it's nothing like that. But you never know.
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Okay, Zou arc is among my most favorite arcs in One piece history now (Or rather for a while now)
Luffy + Chopper + Nami + Brook + Pekomamushi + Sanji + Jinbei + Caesar (he has to be in there somewhere) adventuring on a cake
If that is not ending up to be a hilarious arc I will be disappointed.–- Update From New Post Merge ---
Like that time travel crap I joked about. Really hope it's nothing like that. But you never know.
Time Travel destroys every story that just uses it as a plot device. Every single one.
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I'm not saying Momo is older, but there might be something fishy there.
Like that time travel crap I joked about. Really hope it's nothing like that. But you never know.
This is Oda for god sake, give him a bit more credit than that.
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Lots of info and crew interactions! Great chapter!
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I'm going to guess it's a new dynasty. I'm sure most of the Japanese audience knows about Shogunates and why they were made, but juxtaposing why they came to be in the same way in the series might be a bit too much exposition.
That's the thing though dude, Oda doesn't really need that exposition heaviness for a Japanese audience. This is 101 History for them in the same way Americans like us know about the Revolutionary war and stuff like that.
I mean I know my recent posts on this might seem like "Zephos being the history nerd again" but in this case this is only more obscure history to non-Japanese people. The details and whatnot would be widely familiar there.And One Pieceifying the Shogunate/Emperor relationship would honestly be really simple and easy. Basically framing it like the Meiji revolutionaries did. "Our poor glorious emperor under the dastardly thumb of those nasty Shoguns!".
I mean honestly that's barely that different from the Dressrosa plotline. A good and just royal line ursurped by a bad and unjust one. With just a few added caveats like the old royal line being kept around as pitiable powerless puppet rulers under the nasty new actual rulers.But that's moot because yeah it looks like Oda is either not including an imperial family, or certainly Momonosuke doesn't belong to it anyway.
It's still possible there will be a powerless emperor. After all the emperor didn't launch the revolution against the last Shogunate, various daimyo families mainly did.
And the main daimyo family that became the hotspot of anti-Shogun activity was the Choshu Mori clan (where most of those real life important dudes you see in Kenshin were from), who had been a daimyo family badly punished by the Tokugawa shoguns in the past.
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What I've really liked about this arc is that we've had a lot of Strawhat interactivity, it's been really nice to see how close and relaxed the crew are around each other, especially Robin.
I'm quite happy about the straight party swap that's happening for the next arc too. I've missed Nami
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Okay, Zou arc is among my most favorite arcs in One piece history now (Or rather for a while now)
Luffy + Chopper + Nami + Brook + Pekomamushi + Sanji + Jinbei + Caesar (he has to be in there somewhere) adventuring on a cake
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Time Travel destroys every story that just uses it as a plot device. Every single one.
So I hope it won't be part of One Piece.The only satisfying time travel stories I think I've seen are the first Back to the Future and Chrono Trigger. That's it!
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This is Oda for god sake, give him a bit more credit than that.
I don't understand the argument.
We're talking about steam punk rubber pirate manga featuring magical fruits and weird phenomenons all throughout. And somehow the idea that there could be time travel (via fruits or ancient machines or weird phenomenons) is out of place?
Also, when did time travel become equal to shitty writing? A lot of authors did just fine with it. If it's kept simple, that is.
What does "this is Oda" even mean?
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We're talking about steam punk rubber pirate manga featuring magical fruits and weird phenomenons all throughout. And somehow the idea that there could be time travel (via fruits or ancient machines or weird phenomenons) is out of place?
Speaking about this, if One Piece were to set in a particular era in our world, which century would it fit in?
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I presume Oden might have been the 2nd division commander of WB, which could explain why there was an open spot for the 2nd Division when Ace joined.
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I'm not saying Momo is older, but there might be something fishy there.
Like that time travel crap I joked about. Really hope it's nothing like that. But you never know.
I wouldn't put it past Oda to throw a troll note in there.
So far options are:Momo was mistaken or lying.
Momo was mistaken and he met Ace.
There is something seriously wrong with Momo's apparent age.
Time travel will be introduced.Might as well throw a couple of other possibilities into the ring:
Momo is not human but a dragon transformed into one (we have no idea what was up with the artificial DF he ate, it's just assumed it's a Dragon-model or it was a working DF at all).Wano is isolated not just by it's borders but in time (a device, or a powerful DF). The reason it seems antiquated is because time actually passes slower there for some unknown reason and the 27+ years passing since Roger visited has only been 2 or 3 to those inside the country.
Personally I'd rather it was any of those options but time travel.
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I wouldn't put it past Oda to throw a troll note in there.
So far options are:Momo was mistaken or lying.
Momo was mistaken and he met Ace.
There is something seriously wrong with Momo's apparent age.
Time travel will be introduced.Might as well throw a couple of other possibilities into the ring:
Momo is not human but a dragon transformed into one (we have no idea what was up with the artificial DF he ate, it's just assumed it's a Dragon-form or ate a working DF at all).Wano is isolated not just by it's borders but in time (a device, or a powerful DF). The reason it seems antiquated is because time actually passes slower there for some unknown reason and the 27+ years passing since Roger visited has only been 2 or 3 to those inside the country.
Personally I'd rather it was any of those options but time travel.
One more: translation is bad.
Yeah, time travel usually means the story is about to start sucking bad. But if it's not that or Momo's age, I'm not sure what else it could be.
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Given how many secrets the samurais have been hiding, Momo's age could very well be one of it. But i can also kinda see Oda making Wano arc something like Momo being the smallest powerless weak character against the giant super powerful enemy Kaido, and with the theory of Kaido's dragon fruit (that would make sense with Kinemon resentment against them too), we would have also another parallel with Momo's artificial dragon fruit.
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Would there be a possibility of Momo being able to communicate with roger via "magical mysterious voice power"? Maybe Roger was able to do it with his predecessor. I always found it strange how he strolled right up to some bum on a boat (Rayleigh) preaching about changing the world.
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They keep trying to throw us off on who is going to get Sanji and the like but is it really going to be in the showdown between Luffy and Jack? Will it be a team effort? I'm thinking Jack is not going to climb something he's going to kill. Are they going to fight on the ship/ocean like I've been craving? I think from here it's going to be a conversation between Zunisha and Luffy and then it's time for a battle/battles and the towards the end of the arc. It's looking like it'll be done by the summer/fall if I had to take a guess. And I have no idea what's next.
Also I hope they really quit it with this off panel epic battles we might never see!! First was Jack VS the Marines and now this "payback war??" Holy shit! Marco and whoever's left of WB's crew is going to make an appearance too?! Sweet! I smell a Weevil apperance soon too. Also one last thing is I noticed Nami is really intent on seeing/saving Sanji. Maybe she likes him more than I thought?
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The Weevil encounter is gonna be some next level shit I can already feel it, not really surprised Marco and the others couldn't really take the Blackbeard Pirates. No idea what the Gorosei were on.
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Guys lets be real. It was only a pun, Momo is a kid and every kid lie so he can be relevant to other people. Its like saying you got a big brother in "enter super awesome job" or something.
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So wait are Momo/Law and company actually going to Wano or just wait around on Law's sub until Luffy returns and then they all go to Wano?
If its the latter than Oda doesn't need a reason to keep all the SH/Law in the story for at least a year….Successful negro doesn't need a signature.
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All right, great chapter! There's been so much exposition lately!
So, in theory, we're gonna end up with the Straw Hat Pirates, the Heart Pirates, the Minks, the Samurai of Wano, the remnants of the Whitebeard Pirates (Marco and possibly others), maybe the Straw Hat Grand Fleet, and maybe more people fighting Kaido and the Beast Pirates + the Shogun. When we call it the "Pirate Alliance" saga, that really is no joke.
I still kinda wish all the Straw Hats were going together to Whole Cake, but if we have to off-panel some of them, at least the ones who didn't get screentime in Dressrosa are gonna get a chance to shine. I guess it's possible that whatever happens with Jack and Zunisha may change some things, though.
As for the break…well, of course a week without One Piece is always a bummer, but we want Oda-sensei to stay healthy so he can keep doing a good job, right? Besides, it looks like, for most of last year, there were breaks every three chapters. (Certainly, I saw that there were breaks after 803, 806, and 809.) So far this year, we've had a five-week streak and then a four-week streak. Seems like Oda-sensei is working hard for us, so even if the breaks are a bummer, at least it's better than it was before.
It is not enough he needs to work harder a break every 3 chapters is unacceptable what about all peoples weekly one piece fix?. In fact he should release double issue chapters sometimes for all the fans.
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Blackbeard hardly ever kills his opponents, he's like Luffy in that sense, when a pirate is defeated and has to live on with that defeat that's more painful than death. He's fought Ace, was still alive at the time, fought Magellan, still alive, fought Bonney, she's still alive fought Marco still alive. Where he does differ though is when he wants to gain something for himself and the only way to get it is through killing the enemy. Whitebeard, Thatch. He won't be as successful against revolutionary army though, I think that one will be a tactical retreat. Marco has an insane regenerating ability so he's all well and good I'm sure. I'm liking the Nami scenes as of late she's adorable lol.
As others have said Momo probably saw Ace, not Roger and Luffy will be intrigued by this. Any mention of Marco and Rayleigh in the same chapter is an instant 10/10 for me, two of my favorite characters and if Marco joins the alliance that will be amazing.
Year of Sanji, let's go!
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Best news is that we are getting an arc with the SHs being comprised of Chopper, Nami, and Brook. All 3 have been very underused and don't have many significant encounters under their belt in recent years (from TB onwards) so it will be interesting to finally see them kick some ass again. I also loved how they jokingly allow Brook to join in on the operation "just 'cuz" – though honestly if they did plan on sneaking in, Brook's music would be very helpful.
The Marco thing is also interesting. The fate of the crew had been up in the air for a while and while there were hints that Blackbeard took Whitebeard/Marco's spot as Yonkou this cements it. Also given that there will be an upcoming arc involving finding Marco and most likely more crew members, I expect that the Weeble buisiness will come to head around that time period. Out of sheer desperation, Marco & co may actually rebuild the crew under him by convincing themselves he's actually WB's son.
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Annnnd you lost me at Momonosuke is like 20 years old…
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The biggest reveal was when Inu said that the Log poses are "programmed" to Point on isles with poneglyphes, so if translating that ancient language was not forbidden, everybody could sail to Raftel. Really interesting info.
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my god i love this new onepiece,the one where oda it's finally using all the world building and he's just having fun by mix and match characters and factions
i have never saw an episode of game of thrones,but if this is the influence they hd on him,long live GoT,it's such a different structure that i the pre-timeskip era.
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Ussop is being a chronicler writing down all of the information he is hearing. So since his character is partly inspired by Aesop's Fables and Pinocchio, I'm thinking he is going to publish a book called something like "Usopp's Travels: Brave Warrior of the Sea".
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The search for Marco definitely means Weevil will be getting involved in some way, maybe sooner or maybe later.
I see what Oda's doing by having Nami Chopper and Brook go with Luffy to Whole Cake Island, giving them the much-needed spotlight. Though I really would have picked Zoro or someone of upper-level strength to break into a Yonko's lair.
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This was a pretty awesome chapter, the swirly pirates are going to get their captain back.
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Hopefully they all get moments to shine, last arc Robin was robbed of a good fight.
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So wait are Momo/Law and company actually going to Wano or just wait around on Law's sub until Luffy returns and then they all go to Wano?
If its the latter than Oda doesn't need a reason to keep all the SH/Law in the story for at least a year….They will go to Wano and prepare until Luffy catches up. Robin said she wanted to read Kaido's poneglyph while Luffy tries to copy Big Mom's.
How does she now it's on Wano, anyway? I don't remember any of the samurai saying it's actually on Wano. Though it would make sense if Kaido held it close to him.
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Though I really would have picked Zoro or someone of upper-level strength to break into a Yonko's lair.
He'd end up in Shanks' or Blackbeard's base.
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Ussop is being a chronicler writing down all of the information he is hearing. So since his character is partly inspired by Aesop's Fables and Pinocchio, I'm thinking he is going to publish a book called something like "Usopp's Travels: Brave Warrior of the Sea".
Or he'll give that info to one of the 3 Kids (pepper, carrot or onion) the one who wants to be an author. When he'll Hand it tothat kid his condition will be:"make me the hero of the Story! ;-D"
In DR's case this would not even be a lie.
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Zou has really been an arc for tying the loose ends all together and setting up the story for its endgame. I guess Oda's now giving that straw hats who left Dressrosa their screentime. There's so much cool stuff on the horizon, too bad we're going to have to deal with Jack before any of that.
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The search for Marco definitely means Weevil will be getting involved in some way, maybe sooner or maybe later.
I see what Oda's doing by having Nami Chopper and Brook go with Luffy to Whole Cake Island, giving them the much-needed spotlight. Though I really would have picked Zoro or someone of upper-level strength to break into a Yonko's lair.
Well Luffy doesn't plan to fight Big Mom just talk to Sanji…. but then again things don't always go as planned .
Brook, Chopper, and Nami are easily scared but it is endearing of them risking a showdown with a Yonko for Sanji <3
And lol half the crew disregarded Zoro's advice.
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The search for Marco definitely means Weevil will be getting involved in some way, maybe sooner or maybe later.
I see what Oda's doing by having Nami Chopper and Brook go with Luffy to Whole Cake Island, giving them the much-needed spotlight. Though I really would have picked Zoro or someone of upper-level strength to break into a Yonko's lair.
The point is not to break into the lair though. They don't want to fight Big Mom for now.
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The biggest reveal was when Inu said that the Log poses are "programmed" to Point on isles with poneglyphes, so if translating that ancient language was not forbidden, everybody could sail to Raftel. Really interesting info.
Almost forgot about that too. Very important detail given that almost 15 years ago the gameplan was to simply follow the log pose to Raftel.
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Blackbeard hardly ever kills his opponents, he's like Luffy in that sense, when a pirate is defeated and has to live on with that defeat that's more painful than death. He's fought Ace, was still alive at the time, fought Magellan, still alive, fought Bonney, she's still alive fought Marco still alive. Where he does differ though is when he wants to gain something for himself and the only way to get it is through killing the enemy. Whitebeard, Thatch. He won't be as successful against revolutionary army though, I think that one will be a tactical retreat. Marco has an insane regenerating ability so he's all well and good I'm sure. I'm liking the Nami scenes as of late she's adorable lol.
As others have said Momo probably saw Ace, not Roger and Luffy will be intrigued by this. Any mention of Marco and Rayleigh in the same chapter is an instant 10/10 for me, two of my favorite characters and if Marco joins the alliance that will be amazing.he has a crew full of ruthless killers - I doubt he intentionally let them live, they must have retreated when they realised they couldn't win. Given he's on the hunt for DF powers, i can't see him letting such a super rare ability like
Marco's get away from him deliberately.
Or Jozu';s fruit for that matter, which is a great defensive ability to have, would work well with Burgess imo..
