Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !

[Galleon Panthera]

@Greg said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

I've said this before but, One Piece is not written for anyone at this forum. If you're dedicated to the series enough to the point where you discuss it at length on a daily or even weekly basis, you are not OP's target audience. OP's target audience is casual fans. One Piece is intended to be the perfect toilet reading material.

This pretty much. I may be one of those people too, but I have noticed for a long time that hardcore fans are way too invested in the story of One Piece to the point they literally make it part of their lives. People are overthinking everything about this story, and perhaps, yeah, I'm one of those people, but I also try to not become too obsessed by it. In the end, its a fictional story, that's pretty much it.

There was also this quote, I think, was said by Oda, that One Piece isn't that super deep of a story, but I'm not sure of this.

[Bugs]

It's in the SBS for volume 43 where he confirmed that Sodom and Gomorrah were named after the two biblical cities (because he liked the reference), but then the questioner started to read too much significance into the naming; something about their destruction being parallel or the like.

[andre]

@Greg said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

it's like Oda waved a magic wand to get his characters healed up and then set for hijinks in a very A to B to C progression.

The worst offender for this is Zoro. I can't understand why Oda'd have him so far gone that he sees the Grim Reaper and do nothing with it. Maybe he'll do something with that, but maybe not. Such a strange choice.

[Greg]

@andre said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

@Greg said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

it's like Oda waved a magic wand to get his characters healed up and then set for hijinks in a very A to B to C progression.

The worst offender for this is Zoro. I can't understand why Oda'd have him so far gone that he sees the Grim Reaper and do nothing with it. Maybe he'll do something with that, but maybe not. Such a strange choice.

Oda will address it. That and the grave. The grave I dunno in the main story (though I'd have to imagine so unless he's just cruel) but the grim reaper thing is also part of why I imagined the Fire Festival would play an important part in the finale and why I thought the resolution would be unique. ((((((if it was actually an agent of Yomi)))))

[Captain M]

I was just saying this in another thread, but the Zoro stuff has me thinking back to Sanji and Whole Cake Island. Despite it being Sanji's arc and all about his development, the character "flaw" that caused the biggest problem for the crew so far, his inability to fight women, wasn't even touched on. Focussing on Sanji's kindness and having him learn to ask for help is a fine character arc, but if you'd asked me before WCI where Sanji needed growth that wouldn't be where I started. The possibility of Germa genes awakening or Judge having developed a raid suit for him were widely speculated on and hyped up and debated over during the arc, all for none of that to materialised, and it definitely disappointed some people.

And all of it came back up in Wano to make him a surprise standout character (at least to me). The women trouble was even combined with the asking for help growth to resolve the conflict in a satisfying way without having to change a core character trait. Having the raid suit and genetic enhancements come up only to be rejected in a moment of strong characterisation was enough to please both the people who saw it as a lost opportunity not to explore them at WCI and those who argued it would undermine the strength he'd built independently. Wano was absolutely great for a character who'd supposedly had his own arc, and just the thing needed to complete for Sanji what WCI set up.

So when we talk about things like Shimotsuki heritage and sword lore and grim reapers being "dropped" or "forgotten" just because they haven't been closed off in the apparent Zoro-centric arc, that's what I think about. The series is ongoing. There are more arcs to come, and Oda loves to circle back around to things.

Basically every major plot point in the whole damn series has been built up over 25 years with one little bit of info and a "we'll get back to that later." We should all be a little more used to that by now.

[Shiebs]

I was under the impression that Zoro seeing the Grimm Reaper and saying he’d become the King Of Hell was gonna tie into Pluton possibly, I mean Pluton was the King Of Hell and helped the dead, plus Greg said that the end war would see the Straw Hats all at different locations, I believe he said, 10 Marinefords

My guess is it all comes into play when Zoro fights Shiryu at Wano, but that’s just me guessing

[Greg]

I maintain that 'souls' and Yomi and 'haki' will be relatively closely linked aspects of the world.

While I STRONGLY did not believe the reaper to be an actual reaper (and can still make an arguments for it not being such) after considering that Oda could have used it as a soft entry into the concept of souls (beyond Brook's) at the Fire Festival, my stance changed quite a bit.

.....and then Oda didn't do anything with it. At all ^o^ I don't consider it as disappointing as the Momonosuke handling, not even disappointing really, just surprising that IF he intends to introduce such an element (and if the reaper is real) that he had a golden opportunity at the festival but completely ignored it. It's a surprising move and I'd be lying if I said I wasn't happy that he surprised me, but if he's going down that route, I can't see why he didn't use the Fire Festival to max efficiency from a dramatic and narrative perspective.

If he does intend to do all I imagine, I can't help but think he's a bit paranoid about theorists now and is (somewhat insecurely) holding his cards close to his chest on purpose.

[wolfwood]

I mean i would've assumed that Oda set out to tell a story he wanted to tell, and not just pander to the most casual reader. And that this whole what would weekly readers most enjoy is something that grew out of being the big money machine. Or who knows, maybe Oda was a sales numbers guy from the get go

[ea77]

@Captain-M point of correction re Sanji and women, It was touched on

[auem]

@Greg said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

I maintain that 'souls' and Yomi and 'haki' will be relatively closely linked aspects of the world.

While I STRONGLY did not believe the reaper to be an actual reaper (and can still make an arguments for it not being such) after considering that Oda could have used it as a soft entry into the concept of souls (beyond Brook's) at the Fire Festival, my stance changed quite a bit.

.....and then Oda didn't do anything with it. At all ^o^ I don't consider it as disappointing as the Momonosuke handling, not even disappointing really, just surprising that IF he intends to introduce such an element (and if the reaper is real) that he had a golden opportunity at the festival but completely ignored it. It's a surprising move and I'd be lying if I said I wasn't happy that he surprised me, but if he's going down that route, I can't see why he didn't use the Fire Festival to max efficiency from a dramatic and narrative perspective.

If he does intend to do all I imagine, I can't help but think he's a bit paranoid about theorists now and is (somewhat insecurely) holding his cards close to his chest on purpose.

You mean parallel to Momotarou didn't play out?
Why do you think Oda ditched working on the concept? Also Momo practiced sword so much, but didn't use it anyway. Why do you think Oda wasted panels depicting it?

[Greg]

I don't know that he ever entertained the idea in the first place. I certainly hoped that he did and dramatically it was all pointing in that direction, not to mention when viewing his work in a mirror, but alas....

Yeah, if he never intended to do it, or had to change it, those training sequences were all a lost of hot air weren't they?

They weren't useless as they introduced concepts that were used for the Scabbards and Zoro but Oda failed to tie them into the resolution of the narrative. It's almost baffling but hey, it's his work.

[andre]

@ea77 In my mind this scene is solidifying Sanji's inability to hit women as a good trait because it comes from a good source and opening up the way for him to ask for his help (an even better trait) in WCI, which Captain M talked about. I know Sanji has a lot of haters, but I truly do feel that he is the character Oda is best at developing.

[theackwardstation]

Momo trained swordsmanship to show us his determination to grow up and become reliable -- it's characterization. His entire story is trying to fill in the shoes of his responsability and the legacy of Oden... thus it would be lacking if it were never shown him putting in the effort to become a great samurai.

But I never expected Momo to become a great swordsman before the end of the arc. He was still too green if we go by the standard of the series.

[andre]

Here's a big question for you @Greg . Do you believe that Kaido and Big Mom are dead?

[Greg]

Mom no. Kaido I strongly doubt it because then Luffy is a killer. I actually talked about that at length with German YouTuber Genso. I think the video is online.

[Shiebs]

Greg who do you think the man with the burnt face is? And why would he know where the last Poneglyph is? At least that’s why I thought Killer was bringing it up

And why didn’t Oda show us Rocks in Kaido’s flashback? Do you think he’s saving him for something big? Is he still alive? And if he is still alive is it possible that he might reform the Rocks Pirates with Kaido and Big Mom?

[Greg]

@theackwardstation said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

Momo trained swordsmanship to show us his determination to grow up and become reliable -- it's characterization. His entire story is trying to fill in the shoes of his responsability and the legacy of Oden... thus it would be lacking if it were never shown him putting in the effort to become a great samurai.

I disagree. Momo's entire 'I'm striving to be better' dramatic and narrative points were all hit leading up to his 'I want to defeat Kaido' line in the whale. Anything beyond that is just extra. We didn't need scene after exposition-laden scene of him training if it wasn't setting up something for him personally.

But I never expected Momo to become a great swordsman before the end of the arc. He was still too green if we go by the standard of the series.

Nor did anyone else. He can't be. But he should have been able to land a solid strike when it counted. That's all he needed to do. This is an entirely realistic and moot point.

A karate expert can be felled by a sucker punch.

A sniper can be shot from behind.

A yonkou-worthy pirate can lose an arm when they're focused on a goal.

Momo never needed to be an expert, he just needed to swing (or even aim) a sword well, once, when it counted most.

It's a failure on Oda's part to create an ending that brings all pieces together as expertly as he has in the past, even if by serendipity.

It's not a bad story. But it is a poorly wrapped-up One Piece story.

I don't know how to place quotes from other posts in here. Shiebs mentioned a person with a burned face. Just confirming, do we know that it's a face? Did I miss that?

[Johnny B. Decent]

I feel like Momo would do more damage to Kaido with his DF then a sword, to be honest.

[Shiebs]

No your right, they said burnt scar, they didn’t say anything about a face, idk where I got that

[theackwardstation]

@Greg It just looks to me like "everything's a checkhov's gun", so if the boy was shown training for a few panels because he wants to become stronger, then that must pay off through a swordsman feat later. Well, it never crossed my mind.

Btw, Momo didn't even go to Onigashima carrying a sword with him (any sword, much less the Ame no Hibakiri), which contradicts any intention of him personally slashing Kaido.

[Cinder]

It's a lot easier to quote from multiple posts if you use the full Reply button for the side-by-side pane and highlight-quote instead of the quick reply. I hope that's not too bothersome.

Edit: confirmed that as long as you have the Reply pane open, clicking on the Quote link beside anyone's posts will add it into the window!

[Johnny B. Decent]

Hey, there's me. ^_^

[andre]

@Greg Found it!

I'll check it out when I get the chance.

It's at about the 57 minute mark.

[Johnny B. Decent]

I imagine instead of simply melting like most people would when falling into magma, both of them are encased in it like statutes (ala Raoh and Kenshiro's brothers from the Land of Asura arc), but will break out of their encasements when the plot needs them once more.

[Shiebs]

Greg do you think there’s any chance we’ll meet Buggy’s crew on Elbaf? Now with him being a new emporor’s I was thinking how Luffy and the crew would run into him, and the one thought I had was that Hajrudin and his crew before joining Luffy worked for Buggy, so maybe that will help integrate both parties into that islands story arc?

Also do you think there’s a chance Sanji and Sir Crocodile might have a quick clash? There both an emporor’s secondhand man, they both have history with Iva and Croc still might remember his voice as Mr. Prince, who screwed up his plans entirely back at Alabasta

[Greg]

@Johnny-B-Decent

While you can totally feel however you want, the shonen trope of a young person doing one simple thing extremely effectively is alive and well.

When people picture Momo being 'damaging' I think they're picturing Momo staring down Kaido in a duel, not as I envisioned any number of methods which could have seen him launched directly into Kaido thanks to Luffy. That way it's Luffy's toughness/power allowing Momo to do a very simply task, extremely well.

@theackwardstation said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

o if the boy was shown training for a few panels because he wants to become stronger, then that must pay off through a swordsman feat later. Well, it never crossed my mind.

Because it's not not just those panels. It's his demeanor, words, actions, and development leading up to them that I considered, not just a few panels.

The point about Momo not having a sword is a flaccid one. There were swords literally everywhere. Momo even could have done a mousetrap series of actions that allowed the GIANT sword to be worked into Kaido's defeat.

I'm not sure why I'm bringing up these points because it's a done deal and despite holding onto my reasoning (which I believe is solid) I haven't lost sleep over this. I also don't have any great love for Momo as a character (though Oda polishing it off like that WOULD have given me reason to respect the bugger) it's just that Oda was building to a dramatic character moment over a decade and....he flubbed it.

Here, how about this....

What if Kaido is alive (probably is) and although he might not go for the jugular against Luffy, he's out to make a bad day for the, well, the world. When things come to a head, if he attempts to make everyone's lives miserable, if Momo is then able to stand in and do something MAYBE it could be redeemed but here's my issue with that.

It would be bullshit because it would be 'cool'.

The entire point of Momo giving a massive blow to Kaido as a child or at very least during the end of Wano, would have been that it wouldn't have been 'badass'.

If he does it as an adult in human form, he'd have to be all the things he wasn't as a child.

Cool
Tough
Powerful
Fearless

And that? That would just make his victory the same as any other. What's more? He shouldn't be able to pull off anything badass against Kaido with such little time. It would be a complete wreck of balance if he rocked up and did some cool attack against Kaido. It would cheapen everything that came before it. The whole point of him being a child is that he'd have stood up against something BEYOND impossible that he knew he'd die for. Facing Kaido as an adult? Pretty much impossible. But as a kid??? Get outta here! That is what would have made it meaningul and feel at home in Oda's work.

[.access timeco.]

@Greg , any opinion on the panel on chapter 1041 where a young Linlin tells Kaido she is the woman who will become the King of the Seas?

Maybe it's me reading too much into it because I am a fan of hers, but I was really confused Oda would make such a straight parallel between Linlin and Luffy's most classical and defining line (assuming the parallel is there in Japanese too). That's something I would expect Oda to do with Roger, but not her.

[puffing.cinema]

I though Momo attack on Kaido (even though it was only a bite) kinda did what Greg was talking about. Although I do agree that it lacks anything dramatic. It seems Oda didn't want to give Momo a great scene yet...? We didn't get anything particularly impressive against Kaido (the most memorable scene being he stating that he truly IS a Kazuki), when handling Onigashima or Zunesha and against Aramaki (c'mon now Boro Blast lost impact through repetitive use).

[The Light of Shandora]

@Greg
After watching the interview between you and GensoTV, you mention that Kaido might accept Luffy to be Joyboy, but what will he do, if he's still alive and on Wano?

Could he be a teacher for Momo, so he can master his devil fruit?
Or do you think Kaido and Big Mom got blasted away a la Team Rocket style?
At last where do you think the current cover story will end? My wish is, Germa will end up meeting Vegapunk. Of course they would have to pick up Queen on the way there, so we can have a reunion of the epic science squat.

[andre]

@The-Light-of-Shandora
I'm not Greg, but I'd like to offer my thoughts in discussion if you don't mind:

Narratively, the only thing that would make sense is for him to sacrifice himself for the cause. Kaido enslaved, and killed, and destroyed; he doesn't get a good ending. But if he sacrifices his life, not for glory and power, the things that I believe he identified with One Piece, but for the freedom Luffy/Joy Boy promise to bring to the world, then his death isn't the dream that he wanted, but the one that helps the overall good.

If he is alive and wants to help Luffy, that's about all that makes sense to ME, but I'm not saying any of this is any more probably than anything else.

[Shiebs]

Greg any idea of where we are headed next?

[Kaiolino]

Now that the chapter is out.... Greg, what are your thoughts on this whole Yamato thing? Always a red herring? Or do you think this is a character he ultimately decided to cut to make the final couple years more lean?

[rayleigh92]

I read here and there (and for a few moments I thought as well) that Yamato's postponed joining is due RED fitting the nearest possible to canon. We have Uta in-story, Yamato not on the ship and we just lack of

spoiler

Is it possible that the whole Yamato's evolution has been put on hiatus just cause editors, Shueisha, Toei or even Oda wanted to play this card?

[Deicide]

@rayleigh92 I don’t think that’s possible. None of the movies ever fit in the timeline, and I find more likely for a movie to spoil the manga by having a new crewmate revealed earlier than for the manga to postpone a crewmember just to slot a movie in its continuity.

[Shiebs]

I would also love to know why Oda had him say he would sail with them and then just decide to drop it so suddenly, was he having fun with the readers? I mean when he told the crew he would be traveling with them and everyone reacted positively I went from being on the fence about Yamato joining to totally convinced

Why would Oda do that, seems like a gigantic Fuck You to the readers

Maybe he was having fun reading the back and forth debates about Yamato vs Carrot and just thought he’d have fun

[puffing.cinema]

It's...not that personal

[Greg]

@Shiebs said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

I would also love to know why Oda had him say he would sail with them and then just decide to drop it so suddenly, was he having fun with the readers? I mean when he told the crew he would be traveling with them and everyone reacted positively I went from being on the fence about Yamato joining to totally convinced

Why would Oda do that, seems like a gigantic Fuck You to the readers

Maybe he was having fun reading the back and forth debates about Yamato vs Carrot and just thought he’d have fun

A 'fuck you' to readers? No. But deliberately toying with expectations? Sure. He's done it in the past and he'll do it again.

Yamato is another Vivi.

Someone who is all but a member of the crew riding on the ship. The only difference? Oda didn't conceive of the character before the start of the series. This arc would have given us the answer to whether or not he was willing to mess with the core crew 'as he envisioned it at the start' and the answer is pretty much...no.

....but also yes?

When it comes time for those characters to play their role as a part of the crew, they will. I mean think how long we went through the same thing with JB before he finally (FINALLY) officially joined.

I don't think Oda wants any fan to be angry, but he does intentionally play with expectations if he can see (ultimately) a positive outcome.

[Shiebs]

@Greg said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

@Shiebs said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

I would also love to know why Oda had him say he would sail with them and then just decide to drop it so suddenly, was he having fun with the readers? I mean when he told the crew he would be traveling with them and everyone reacted positively I went from being on the fence about Yamato joining to totally convinced

Why would Oda do that, seems like a gigantic Fuck You to the readers

Maybe he was having fun reading the back and forth debates about Yamato vs Carrot and just thought he’d have fun

A 'fuck you' to readers? No. But deliberately toying with expectations? Sure. He's done it in the past and he'll do it again.

Yamato is another Vivi.

Someone who is all but a member of the crew riding on the ship. The only difference? Oda didn't conceive of the character before the start of the series. This arc would have given us the answer to whether or not he was willing to mess with the core crew 'as he envisioned it at the start' and the answer is pretty much...no.

....but also yes?

When it comes time for those characters to play their role as a part of the crew, they will. I mean think how long we went through the same thing with JB before he finally (FINALLY) officially joined.

I don't think Oda wants any fan to be angry, but he does intentionally play with expectations if he can see (ultimately) a positive outcome.

I apologize, saying it was an F you to fans was very harsh, I still love this series so much and I’m thankful to Oda for writing it, I just felt like the rug had been pulled out from under me on this chapter, I didn’t mean to offend

But I really hope we get to see Yamato ride with the crew someday weather that be later in the series, the epilogue or some one piece gt shenanigans

[Robby]

The big difference with Jimbro is that he had multiple arcs (Impel, War, Fishman, WCI) and cover story before joining. It took him a damn decade but he had exposure along the way, and there was still TIME in the series .

Anyone that's still left there's just... no more time if Oda is to be believed at all about his timetable. (Yeah, he's not going to make it in three years and we all know that but...) Anyone not travelling with the crew right now isn't getting the bonding or the antics or the color spreads or the real life giant bronze statue... whatever their official classification they're just going to be one of dozens of old recurring characters returning for the final war.

The surprise twist (off camera) turn just doesn't sit well with me. It's absolutely Oda's job to surprise and go directions we don't expect... and I'm even okay with Yamato deciding to stay after all that in concept... but the actual execution was really really botched. That major character shift was NOT a moment that should have been off camera.

This is the first time I feel kinda straight up lied to rather than carefully misled.

Combine this with the clumsiness of the Gear 5 Nika exposition dump, and how much Oda whiffed the Kaidou finale... it's just been a really awkward dozen chapters.

[Kishido]

I don't see Yamato even close to Vivi. Last chapter gives Momo the most Vivi treatment while Yamato isn't treated different as for example Kinemon.

[Radec]

Instead of merely singling one character out, it's more apt to say that Oda gave all three of them - Momonosuke, Kinemon, and Yamato - the Vivi treatment, since Luffy handed the invitation to the three to have them on board in the future if they want to be pirates.

[Kdom]

Greg, do you think Oda suffered from an arc length fatigue as some of us did ? It seems to be a shared opinion that this end of arc is sub-par compared to what we are used to. It almost seems that after Oda introduced the gear 5 which he told he wanted to for a long time, he also put the plot speed in gear 5. From the end of the fight with Kaidou to this final chapter a lot of things are rushed or skipped. And even if some things didn't want the way we expected, we didn't have the iconic moment that usually comes at the end of an arc.
In one of your previous post, you say that Oda writes One Piece for casual readers. So maybe I'm a too old reader now and my expectation have been set too high because he did such great things in the past. Maybe he is satisfied with how he has written Wano, but if he is not, I hope that it gives him a warning that "casual" writing is not sufficient when one enters the finish line of a 25 year long serie.

[wolfwood]

It is weird how a longrunner would not account for the people who have been along for the ride since the start. The author aging out of his long term fans and setting his eyes on hooking the new most casual fans seems like it should feel weird from a writer standpoint. From the economical angle i'm sure it looks great, but i had sort of assumed that Oda had elevated himself to a status where him not making tons of money for the publisher was virtually impossible. I dunno, seems weird for a guy who wrote a story for a quarter of a century to feel that those who came on at year 2021 should be more catered to than the people who have been waiting for the pay off their entire lives.

[desa]

Writing for the demographic rather then how it takes to finish doesnt seems like a bad idea. Experiencing it in real time it might become less compelling but once is fully done and people can experience the full thing as one continuous story it probably makes for a more consistent story. Its just that Oda took 25 years to write it.

[Riddler]

I'm not sure it's really the economical side of things that motivate him. Oda has always been adament that he mainly writes One Piece for 15 year olds. I'm sure he is very grateful for loyal fans that have stuck around a decade or longer, but I could see him viewing it as a failure of himself if his work was only read by old fans in their twenties or thirties instead of his intended audience. So working hard to make One Piece accessible to new, young readers is understandable from that angle.

But honestly, I don't even think it's really true that he doesn't write for his more hardcore fans at all. The case of Tengu being Sukiyaki comes to mind. For casual readers, this must have come completely out of left field. Hardcore fans who analyze every detail of every panel might have made the connection way early in the arc due to very subtle clues like Tengu being introduced as a dollmaker in his intro box and then Brook randomly mentioning that he found some dolls in a room inside the palace. I remember there being discussions on here what Tengu's connection to the palace could be. Back then, I think, the most common theory was that he was a spy for Orochi, but of course Sukiyaki hadn't even been introduced yet then.

Nevertheless, when the reveal came, I was still surprised, but it was more in the sense of "Ahh so that's what the thing with the dolls was about!" Oda did setup this reveal very subtly, but it wouldnt make sense to even introduce these small hints at all if not for the hardcore fans, since the casual readers will definitely not pick up on them or remember them when the reveal happened.

A similar thing is when old characters are re-introduced into the story. Oda sometimes provides a little explanation box so new readers aren't completely lost but it must be clear to him that long term fans will get the most out of scenes like Vivi appearing in the story again or meeting Shirahoshi and Rebecca, Kureha and Dalton having a little standoff with Wapol etc. You can't tell me he doesn't at least think a little bit what these scenes will mean for the old fans when he writes them.

[wolfwood]

I mean it is what it is, i just find it strange that instead of leaning in to the story getting a bit long in the tooth and embracing that aspect you'd rather try to remain young and evergreen despite being a 50 year old man with 25 year old story. Like Oda doing that hello my fellow kids meme. Like George R.R deciding that the next book should be based on what a 13 year old would be the most impressed by. The mindset to always write for todays kids when you write a story crossing several generations seems like it could be a recipe for a poor end product.

[desa]

Was the target of the first ice and fire book 13 years old?

I think most movies or books that are loved by younger generation are made by people much older then their demographic. Like whoever made teen titans popular or did mean girls/ superbad were probably older. Also its not like one piece even remotely covers the inner struggle of the youth where you can need to deeply relate. His attachment to demographic is basically avoid sliding too deep in the mature themes and having enough cool moments to keep the audience enterained.

[loner89]

Say Greg at the last chapter Hiyori said The Kurozumi were born to burn and there are people who are upset by it here’s a tweet from twitter…’’ The Kozuki damned all of Wano by committing a genocide of the Kurozumi, instigating a hostile takeover/subjugation by survivors of that genocide-- requiring an outside force to reset the status quo and Oda's message at the end of all of it is, "Yeah, let's double down on that." Do you agree with this? I feel like he is defending and justifying Orochi’s deeds!

[desa]

I'm pretty sure the Kozuki didnt kill the Kurozumi. The populace did.

I dont think the tweet is about Orochi being right. It's about Wano having a terrible culture when it comes to passing punishment beyond one who commited the fault and the line leaves the door open to it.

[Robby]

@loner89

It's apparently not AS bad in Japanese where the charcoal pun is more obvious but... it's still pretty iffy.