Indecision 2016 - In Soviet Russia, we elect american president!

Katzztar

Well some of expected this to happen…. Trump is trying to get out of the Fraud Trial.

Donald Trump lawyers will discuss settlement in Trump University fraud lawsuit

Daniel Petrocelli, Trump’s lead attorney on the case, also asked to delay the trial to early next year, saying his billionaire client needs time to work on the transition to the presidency.
“This has been a gut-wrenching campaign, as everybody knows. And the nation is just beginning the long healing process. And I think the last thing we need right now is to have a trial about events that occurred six years ago or seven years ago,” Petrocelli said.

Ohhhh so its okay to accuse Hillary of a supposed "crime" (investigation lead to no trial) that happened years ago but an actual case that is going to court should not happen right away just because it happened 6 or 7 years ago? They don't to attend a trial right now before they get into office? Well I can already see them making an excuse for not having the trial "early next year" as it would be in the early period of his presidency, and "shouldn't he be able to focus on his term this early?"
Hypocrites. Guess what chump, president-elects are not immune to the law. Let the trial go forward as it was scheduled on Nov.28 2016.

Riddler

@Louis-1988:

Yeah, absolutely they should have 1/3rd the say, but only 1/3rd of the say. That's why those titan states have a massive amount of electoral votes on the table for the winner. Remember, 1/3rd of the population is still the minority and they do not represent the will of the remaining 2/3rd's. It should not come down to the 1/3rd to decide the leader of the country when the overwhelming majority of the other 2/3rd's has made it clear what they want.

That's not a terrible idea.

I don't follow…if you would do away with the Electoral College and just go by the popular vote, why would 1/3rd of the population be able to decide on their own who will be the leader of the country?

wolfwood

I'm not entirely comfortable with the whole X doesn't count as shit behaviour because Y does so much worse line of reasoning.

I can only see gradual escalation down that path.

Meo

@CCC:

Agree to disagree, broseph.
I'll take 10,000 broken windows over 1 human killed or maimed in the name of bigotry. Just kidding. Why would 10,000 be the cutoff? Infinite broken windows.

This is missing the point. No one should be breaking windows in protest of our new president elect. And it seems like the Trump supporters are on the receiving end of actual violence like the link Louis-1988 posted.

Fact is the true liberals lost control of their party and the true candidate of the people, Bernie Sanders, was in my honest belief, sabotaged from deep within the Democratic party. The left put out the ONLY CANDIDATE that could have lost to Trump.

But the truth is that the left (note: not liberals) does not represent the American people anymore. Don't even bother saying Trump lost the popular vote when basically half of the country didn't vote. And now you're all in here freaking out figuring out ways to stop the evil overlord Donald Trump from making actual progress on the economy.

Most people are sick of globalist ideas and Americans are sure as the sun comes out tomorrow sick of policing the world for free. Whenever Russia makes any aggressive moves everyone looks over and says, "Hey America. What are you gonna do about this?" It's not our job. It's not our job to police the world. It's our job to make our country as good as it can be and practice fairness and the pursuit of happiness.

The evil people you think are behind Trump is a media spun story. And if there's anything Liberals should have learned from this election it's that they cannot trust their ABC and NBC and Washington Post ect…, to tell the truth. Because they didn't.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/upshot/presidential-polls-forecast.html

Kaiolino

The true candidate of the people who lost by 3.5 million votes in a primary.

Meo

@Kaiolino:

The true candidate of the people who lost by 3.5 million votes in a primary.

That simply speaks to the level of corruption in the party itself. If you think everything was on the up and up and that primary was fair…

I have a nice, slightly used bridge to sell you.

Face it: Your media and the democratic party failed you.

Kaido King of the Beasts

@Cyclone_Baroness:

Definitely not a piece with it. But I'm not going to riot either. Actually I'll be doing my best to not be visible.

Yeah, "at peace" wasn't the best term for me to use but I couldn't think of anything else that would encapsulate my point. I know many people will not be OK with the government and will be taking action should it go as they expect it to, but they're not going to the point of rash/wanton destruction.

I was more or less trying to address how people on each side leap on the other side's actions when both of them are problems.

Femme

@Meo:

This is missing the point. No one should be breaking windows in protest of our new president elect. And it seems like the Trump supporters are on the receiving end of actual violence like the link Louis-1988 posted.

Fact is the true liberals lost control of their party and the true candidate of the people, Bernie Sanders, was in my honest belief, sabotaged from deep within the Democratic party. The left put out the ONLY CANDIDATE that could have lost to Trump.

But the truth is that the left (note: not liberals) does not represent the American people anymore. Don't even bother saying Trump lost the popular vote when basically half of the country didn't vote. And now you're all in here freaking out figuring out ways to stop the evil overlord Donald Trump from making actual progress on the economy.

Most people are sick of globalist ideas and Americans are sure as the sun comes out tomorrow sick of policing the world for free. Whenever Russia makes any aggressive moves everyone looks over and says, "Hey America. What are you gonna do about this?" It's not our job. It's not our job to police the world. It's our job to make our country as good as it can be and practice fairness and the pursuit of happiness.

The evil people you think are behind Trump is a media spun story. And if there's anything Liberals should have learned from this election it's that they cannot trust their ABC and NBC and Washington Post ect…, to tell the truth. Because they didn't.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/upshot/presidential-polls-forecast.html

O_O woah you can't be serious

SpaceCowboy

@Sheep:

Could we please stop with the WW3 shit?
Trump will cause WW3 because he's a dipshit, Hillary would've caused it by proxy from being a war hawk, Bush should've caused it with his abysmal actions in the middle east, Obama meant certain doom as well
Every time when someone new becomes president it's the same thing

It´s nothing more than a cliché by this point.

@Femme:

Seemed to me at the time that it was a way of saying that democrats are stupid for nominating a black and/or muslim person because such a person is not fit for the job, and would also be stupid enough to nominate Kanye West in future years. But if it wasn't an intentionally racist comment then I'll take my accusation back.

I think he was implying that a black muslim candidate would lose the race since there´s still a lot of prejudice, even amongst swing voters. Which in itself seems kind of dumb since a black guy was president for the last 8 years but whatever.
Maybe he feels like the muslim thing is stepping over the boundaries? No idea, the Kanye West reference confused me.

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@Meo:

That simply speaks to the level of corruption in the party itself. If you think everything was on the up and up and that primary was fair…

I have a nice, slightly used bridge to sell you.

Face it: Your media and the democratic party failed you.

They had a clear favorite and made sure to support her. From that to "everything is rigged" is a big step.

Meo

@SpaceCowboy:

They had a clear favorite and made sure to support her. From that to "everything is rigged" is a big step.

Who uhh….who are they to decide what Americans want? I thought the whole entire point of a Democratic Republic was to serve the interests of the people.

And yeah, let's take that step because I'm not afraid to. It was rigged. Just like the entire left-wing media is rigged.

Louis-1988

@Femme:

O_O woah you can't be serious

Again, though, It goes both ways. An homeless elderly woman was attacked just a couple of weeks ago for supporting Trump.

Outerspec

@Meo:

Who uhh….who are they to decide what Americans want? I thought the whole entire point of a Democratic Republic was to serve the interests of the people.

And yeah, let's take that step because I'm not afraid to. It was rigged. Just like the entire left-wing media is rigged.

Oh yes, go on ahead and keep on stepping. Go ahead and take that step right off the edge into 'Lala Land'.

maxterdexter

@Louis-1988:

Again, though, It goes both ways. An homeless elderly woman was attacked just a couple of weeks ago for supporting Trump.

So what do you want us to do? Stop being horrified?

Meo

And this is hilarious too this accusation that people voted for Trump were racially driven.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/11/11/moore-trump-voters-arent-racist-many-voted-barack-hussein-obama

That's your dude Michael Moor telling people it was an ECONOMICALLY MOTIVATED MOVEMENT.

Your news is lying to you and they want to retain as much control as they can. This lazy sweeping generalization of all Trump supporters is just an attempt to save face because they lied. And they're afraid of losing clout. Wake up people, stop being controlled so easily. This election is a step forward for the constituents. Maybe this will finally force the Left to start sorting out its numerous problems.

Kaiolino

Is this another Earthquake account?

Meo

@Outerspec:

Oh yes, go on ahead and keep on stepping. Go ahead and take that step right off the edge into 'Lala Land'.

Where's that 96% chance of Hillary sweeping the Nation? Oh yeah, it isn't real.

You're the one in Lala land and the smart ones are waking up to the reality of the lie the left has been fabricating about this election among many other things.

Kaiolino

Economic anxiety: http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2016/11/10/white-supremacists-urge-trolling-clinton-supporters-suicide/93617792/

maxterdexter

How can people act like hodi fucking Jones?

Meo

@Kaiolino:

Economic anxiety: http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2016/11/10/white-supremacists-urge-trolling-clinton-supporters-suicide/93617792/

The problem is you aren't willing to admit that Trump supporters are people.

That's why deep down sore losers think it's ok to incite violence on Trump voters. It's not a person your hitting with feelings, hopes, dreams, and fears. It's an idea. And that idea was fed to you by the very same media who told you your Clinton had this in the bag no sweat.

But keep on feeding in to it. Believe in the lie. That way you can use it as an excuse to take out your anger.

Louis-1988

@maxterdexter:

**So what do you want us to do?**Stop being horrified?

An equal degree of disgust and sympathy for aggressors and victims on both sides.

Meo

@maxterdexter:

How can people act like hodi fucking Jones?

For the 100,000,000 time this was not racial

if people like you continue to claim this and do what you do then we will have a full blown race war.

and it will be ugly.

You're like Chimps with machine-guns.

Cyclone_Baroness

Racially motivated or not. A lot of white people just let the Trumpening happen. Let's face it. A good chunk of Trumps followers aren't going to do anything to people who aren't the "right" type of white or don't "appear" gay.

I get being pissed at the DNC but voting Trump into power puts more people in danger. Although the protests we are getting now probably would have happened from the other side due to cries of the system being rigged for months. Nobody was going to be satisfied but one outcome makes a whole bigger mess.

SpaceCowboy

@Meo:

Who uhh….who are they to decide what Americans want? I thought the whole entire point of a Democratic Republic was to serve the interests of the people.

I don´t know any single party in any country whose members don´t take preferences of candidates to be their front runner for whatever executive job they have. This is common. This isn´t deciding what Americans want. It´s taking preferences regarding who they believe better its the job description.

How the parties and their affiliates deal with these divisions is what changes. America might be the only country in which these manage to cause internal raptures inside their own party, leading to a shit ton of smaller internal movements constantly blaming and threatening each other.

And yeah, let's take that step because I'm not afraid to. It was rigged. Just like the entire left-wing media is rigged.

Whatever makes you sleep better at night.

Femme

I tend to roll my eyes any time someone says "wake up people." We are awake, this isn't a conspiracy.

Yes, the violence goes both ways but it's innacurate to think that trump supporters are suffering more than the categories of people who were targeted in Trump's campaign.

It must be nice to be able to ignore all the harm Trump has caused because it doesn't affect you.

Kaiolino

@Meo:

For the 100,000,000 time this was not racial.

But this is your 7th post.

CCC

@Meo:

For the 100,000,000 time this was not racial

if people like you continue to claim this and do what you do then we will have a full blown race war.

and it will be ugly.

You're like Chimps with machine-guns.

guy claiming stuff isn't racist calls opposition chimps

Thread ban for you, friend! At least Louis can refrain from the pejoratives, but you're clearly an alt who joined today and went in whole hog.
That shit isn't flying around here anymore. Keep it civil.

EDIT: lol someone beat me to it!

Foolio

That was a Donald D. Trump alt. We're trying to allow discussion regardless of viewpoint but guys, it doesn't work when you're just out to pick a fight.

RomanceDawn

This is some real talk, please take a read.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/commentary-the-unbearable-smugness-of-the-press-presidential-election-2016/

Mr. Zoro

@Femme:

I tend to roll my eyes any time someone says "wake up people." We are awake, this isn't a conspiracy.

Yes, the violence goes both ways but it's innacurate to think that trump supporters are suffering more than the categories of people who were targeted in Trump's campaign.

It must be nice to be able to ignore all the harm Trump has caused because it doesn't affect you.

The fascinating thing is that those who say "wake up, people" are actually the delusional ones who need to do the ACTUAL waking up.

Femme

@Mr.:

The fascinating thing is that those who say "wake up, people" are actually the delusional ones who need to do the ACTUAL waking up.

Sooo true x__x

Outerspec

@Meo:

And this is hilarious too this accusation that people voted for Trump were racially driven.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/11/11/moore-trump-voters-arent-racist-many-voted-barack-hussein-obama

That's your dude Michael Moor telling people it was an ECONOMICALLY MOTIVATED MOVEMENT.

Your news is lying to you and they want to retain as much control as they can. This lazy sweeping generalization of all Trump supporters is just an attempt to save face because they lied. And they're afraid of losing clout. Wake up people, stop being controlled so easily. This election is a step forward for the constituents. Maybe this will finally force the Left to start sorting out its numerous problems.

Let me help you out. I know you're new here but Michael Moore isn't our "dude". Michael Moore is the dude talking about impeaching Donald Trump and encouraging Democrats to be obstructionists the same way Republicans were under Obama. If you were here a day ago Michael Moore is the dude I took a dump on for saying that stupid shit.

For Reference: http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=43000&page=545&p=3720160&viewfull=1#post3720160

Is that the man you're trying to defend? Hahahaha. Ok, fine, but let's get some things straight. Just because Michael Moore says something, it doesn't mean he's right. Ok? And when the KKK endorses, votes, and holds victory parties for a candidate there's racial motivation there. Ok? And when people say a lot of Trump supporters hold racist, misogynistic, sexist, prejudiced, and bigoted views do you know what that means? It doesn't mean every single Trump supporter holds those views. What it does mean is that a lot obviously support those messages and the ones that don't care or are ignorant of Trump's campaign being racist, misogynistic, sexist, prejudiced, and bigoted are part of a larger problem. And that apathy to such a nasty campaign and refusal to acknowledge it is problematic. Ok?

@Meo:

Where's that 96% chance of Hillary sweeping the Nation? Oh yeah, it isn't real.

Oh really? Now tell me what does this have to do with anything being said on here besides you coming in and mentioning it? Like, even conservative polls had it very wrong so what exactly is your point?

You're the one in Lala land and the smart ones are waking up to the reality of the lie the left has been fabricating about this election among many other things.

Uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh.

Ok, so why don't now you do me a favor and help me out here by filling in the blanks.

The DNC primaries were rigged because… [fill in the blank]

Winning by nearly 4 million votes in the primaries is not representative of a democratic republic because…[fill in the blank]

The media is left-wing propaganda which lied about… [fill in the blank] (Hint: Lying and being wrong are 2 different things)

dropper

@Meo:

Your news is lying to you and they want to retain as much control as they can. This lazy sweeping generalization of all Trump supporters is just an attempt to save face because they lied. And they're afraid of losing clout. Wake up people, stop being controlled so easily. This election is a step forward for the constituents. Maybe this will finally force the Left to start sorting out its numerous problems.

I double on that.

Kaiolino

@RomanceDawn:

This is some real talk, please take a read.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/commentary-the-unbearable-smugness-of-the-press-presidential-election-2016/

Trump didn't activate some hidden electorate, he got less votes than Romney
If it was really economic anguish these people have, then why didn't they vote for the party that had detailed economic plans instead of the party that wants to abolish welfare and give tax cuts to the rich?
The low classes all voted for Hillary, the middle and high classes voted Trump
See table posted above, then come back and say race is irrelevant
Is the media seriously pretending it didn't spend 18 months talking about Hillary's emails, her unlikability and the Trump foundation?

Outerspec

@Femme:

I tend to roll my eyes any time someone says "wake up people." We are awake, this isn't a conspiracy.

Yes, the violence goes both ways but it's innacurate to think that trump supporters are suffering more than the categories of people who were targeted in Trump's campaign.

It must be nice to be able to ignore all the harm Trump has caused because it doesn't affect you.

@Foolio:

That was a Donald D. Trump alt. We're trying to allow discussion regardless of viewpoint but guys, it doesn't work when you're just out to pick a fight.

Yes, if you're going to come in here to defend Donald Trump do not come in here with the "WAKE UP SHEEPLE" argument as that will be swiftly put down and/or ignored.

Mainly because it's a terribly stupid argument.

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Ok, I'm a little mad Meo's not around anymore to fill in the blanks of his nonsensical rant.

Louis-1988

@Outerspec:

Yes, if you're going to come in here to defend Donald Trump do not come in here with the "WAKE UP SHEEPLE" argument as that will be swiftly put down and/or ignored.

Mainly because it's a terribly stupid argument.

The issue plaguing the democratic establishment isn't that it's rigged. They are just so disconnected from their potential voter base and truly believed that they wanted more of the same in yet another corporatist establishment candidate. That's why you see them propping up Tim Kaine for 2020 already instead of rallying behind actual progressives like Warren. They've learned nothing.

Foolio

@Outerspec:

Mainly because it's a terribly stupid argument.

Mainly because it's hostile. Stupid arguments aren't against the rules.

firelord111

How do racist people react to iranian americans ?

Outerspec

@Louis-1988:

The issue plaguing the democratic establishment isn't that it's rigged. They are just so disconnected from their potential voter base and truly believed that they wanted more of the same in yet another corporatist establishment candidate. That's why you see them propping up Tim Kaine for 2020 already instead of rallying behind actual progressives like Warren. They've learned nothing.

Ok, where are we getting this DNC is propping up Tim Kaine for 2020 news? Is it from that one youtube video?

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@firelord111:

How do racist people react to iranian americans ?

I'm guessing the same way a racist person would react to anyone they're racist against. With irrational hate and misunderstandings.

firelord111

The thing is some of them voted for trump i am just confused about wtf usa is
And if iran gets attacked by usa i dont think russia will give a damn so no WW3

SpaceCowboy

@Louis-1988:

The issue plaguing the democratic establishment isn't that it's rigged. They are just so disconnected from their potential voter base and truly believed that they wanted more of the same in yet another corporatist establishment candidate. That's why you see them propping up Tim Kaine for 2020 already instead of rallying behind actual progressives like Warren. They've learned nothing.

Louis, it´s literally been 2 days. Tim Kaine isn´t the chosen one to rid of world of the evil Trump plague.

Outerspec

@firelord111:

The thing is some of them voted for trump i am just confused about wtf usa is
And if iran gets attacked by usa i dont think russia will give a damn so no WW3

The thing to consider is "some". Not "most". Well, probably not most. I'm not sure. No one group is a monolith.

dropper

@Outerspec:

Yes, if you're going to come in here to defend Donald Trump do not come in here with the "WAKE UP SHEEPLE" argument as that will be swiftly put down and/or ignored.

Not calling anyone sheeple but it's about time every one woke up to the established main stream narrative, not only did they paint the wrong image of Clinton's campaign but it's fulled hate into the mouths of every 'entitled' voice that supposedly defend and fight against hate.

Hillary's foundation is 100 times more hateful than Trump and his campaign. You would never see it reported however.

MetaMario

@dropper:

Hillary's foundation is 100 times more hateful than Trump and his campaign. You would never see it reported however.

That's a very bold claim.

Please elaborate.

SpaceCowboy

@Kaiolino:

Trump didn't activate some hidden electorate, he got less votes than Romney

If it was really economic anguish these people have, then why didn't they vote for the party that had detailed economic plans instead of the party that wants to abolish welfare and give tax cuts to the rich?
- The low classes all voted for Hillary, the middle and high classes voted Trump

See table posted above, then come back and say race is irrelevant

Is the media seriously pretending it didn't spend 18 months talking about Hillary's emails, her unlikability and the Trump foundation?

Source?

@Cyclone_Baroness:

Racially motivated or not. A lot of white people just let the Trumpening happen. Let's face it. A good chunk of Trumps followers aren't going to do anything to people who aren't the "right" type of white or don't "appear" gay.

No offense, but that´s a lazy logic.
He got the same % of white votes has Romney did and the second got completely rekt, both on popular vote and electoral college. If anything, the votes Trump got were the ones to be expected in a worse case scenario.
I can perfectly flip what you said by claiming it´s the minorities fault since they actually gave Trump a bigger percentage of the total votes than they gave Romney, and that could have been avoided since their affluence to the voting booths was smaller than during the last election, and we can both agree that would be a pretty dumb statement.

Outerspec

@dropper:

Not calling anyone sheeple but it's about time every one woke up to the established main stream narrative, not only did they paint the wrong image of Clinton's campaign but it's fulled hate into the mouths of every 'entitled' voice that supposedly defend and fight against hate.

Hillary's foundation is 100 times more hateful than Trump and his campaign. You would never see it reported however.

So I guess the fight for Trump was a campaign of love and acceptance???

And what wrongful image did the media paint of Hillary's campaign as they covered countless hours of Benghazi, hearings, emails, and other scandals? Like, I'm not seeing this positive outlook the media made about her. People "hated" Hillary from all the things they heard about her in the media.

Cyclone_Baroness

@SpaceCowboy:

Source?

No offense, but that´s a lazy logic.
He got the same % of white votes has Romney did and the second got completely rekt, both on popular vote and electoral college. If anything, the votes Trump got were the ones to be expected in a worse case scenario.
I can perfectly flip what you said by claiming it´s the minorities fault since they actually gave Trump a bigger percentage of the total votes than they gave Romney, and that could have been avoided since their affluence to the voting booths was smaller than during the last election, and we can both agree that would be a pretty dumb statement.

Sorry I may be sleep deprived. But where are there an overwhelming amount of minorities that voted for Trump? Also we are still minorities at the end of the day. We can really only do so much. That's what that chart was showing.

At any rate. Only half the country voting overall is extremely frustrating.

Kaiolino

@SpaceCowboy:

Source?

http://edition.cnn.com/election/results/exit-polls/national/president

maxterdexter

@Meo:

For the 100,000,000 time this was not racial

if people like you continue to claim this and do what you do then we will have a full blown race war.

and it will be ugly.

You're like Chimps with machine-guns.

OK, what was I reacting to? To Femme link BTW.

Ubiq

@SpaceCowboy:

Source?

She won the two lower income brackets handily; Trump edged her in the rest with his best performance being a +4 in the 50-90K range.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/president

The people Trump did best with tended to be older, better off, and less educated. Basically Baby Boomers and up, who faced an entirely different economic situation growing up than people today.

maxterdexter

@Louis-1988:

An equal degree of disgust and sympathy for aggressors and victims on both sides.

Yeah, its not the same, a boisterous trump supporter screaming and getting attacked while also condemnable its not the same as these people who are being attacked without rhime or reason (or economic reasons according to some "experts")