Crow and Raven are the same thing, right?
Apples and oranges, man. Apples and oranges.
Chapter 763: Human Declaration
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Just a quick question, the 33 years ago from this chapter… That means 33 years ago from the current time right?
Not 33 years ago from the flashback.
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About the dream Doflamingo had at the beginning of the chapter where they hung from windows: was that something that actually happened, or just a nightmare Doffy had about his general experiences?
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About the dream Doflamingo had at the beginning of the chapter where they hung from windows: was that something that actually happened, or just a nightmare Doffy had about his general experiences?
Pretty sure that was a flashback/nightmare.
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Sabo getting the Mera mera fruit totally threw me off. That fruit doesn't fit him in any damn way, it's the first time Oda is giving a character a fruit that doesn't suit his/her personality or looks.
Sabo all Martial art is based on a DRAGON, how in the hell fire doesn't fit him in any damn way?
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I got news, characters can be based on multiple persons.
Dofla isn't a shorty but he also isn't suffering from paranoid delusions and attacking buildings.
I think it's just a play on words by Oda, doubt anything about Dofla was based on Napoleon. Of course, I'm no expert on Napoleon.
Doflamingo as a completely spanish name, wears Spanish clothes and is king of a Spanish(south east European) based country. Why would he be based in a french man? And why Napoleon?
Law is the one that is based in french people not Doflamingo. If someone is based in Napoleon that one would be Law, not Doflamingo.
Given that the battle of Trafalgar was France Vs Spain, it makes a lot of sense that Doflamingo, the enemy that law wants really to kill, has a Spanish relantionship. -
Yes it is from the current time. If we count from the flashback Doflamingo isn't even born.
Yeah that was what I was thinking. Thanks lol
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What if Doflamingo exaggerated that nightmare?
I mean from a kids perspective what ever happen to him is 100x worse than it actually is.
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Sabo all Martial art is based on a DRAGON, how in the hell fire doesn't fit him in any damn way?
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Doflamingo as a completely spanish name, wears Spanish clothes and is king of a Spanish(south east European) based country. Why would he be based in a french man? And why Napoleon?
Law is the one that is based in french people not Doflamingo. If someone is based in Napoleon that one would be Law, not Doflamingo.
Given that the battle of Trafalgar was France Vs Spain, it makes a lot of sense that Doflamingo, the enemy that law wants really to kill, has a Spanish relantionship.Battle of Trafalgar was between British Vs France and Spain. Get your shit together dude.
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What if Doflamingo exaggerated that nightmare?
I mean from a kids perspective what ever happen to him is 100x worse than it actually is.
It sorta plays well, it still shakes him up as an adult. Even though he was younger, the effects are still just as traumatizing.
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It sorta plays well, it still shakes him up as an adult. Even though he was younger, the effects are still just as traumatizing.
I'm just confused on how Corazon didn't turn into a spoiled psychopath. Being a younger brother to Doflamingo I'd expect some of that to rub off on him.
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Crow and Raven are the same thing, right?
It's kinda funny, in Japanese:
Crows and ravens are both karasu.
Crocodiles and aligators are both wani.
Apes and monkeys are both saru.Of course official terminologies are different, (for example ravens are watari-garasu, and most karasu in Japan are crows) these are general common terms.
Just a tidbit. ;)
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So, if Law is France and Sabo is British, oh god, Spain's getting wrecked.
Wait. Are you implying Law IS france?
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It's kinda funny, in Japanese:
Crows and ravens are both karasu.
Crocodiles and aligators are both wani.
Apes and monkeys are both saru.Of course official terminologies are different, (for example ravens are watari-garasu, and most karasu in Japan are crows) these are general common terms.
Just a tidbit. ;)
I hope there are more of those.
I mean, going to start learning Japanese and the alphabet will have me by the balls alone.
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Battle of Trafalgar was between British Vs France and Spain. Get your shit together dude.
Doflamingo as a completely spanish name, wears Spanish clothes and is king of a Spanish(south east European) based country. Why would he be based in a french man? And why Napoleon?
Law is the one that is based in french people not Doflamingo. If someone is based in Napoleon that one would be Law, not Doflamingo.
Given that the battle of Trafalgar was France Vs Spain, it makes a lot of sense that Doflamingo, the enemy that law wants really to kill, has a Spanish relantionship.Also, Spain is not a south eastern European country, it's almost the most western country in Europe except for the UK and Portugal. Croatia and Greece are in the east and it definitely isn't based on any of those countries seeing there are far better ways of depicting anything that has to do with for instance Greece. Dressrosa is without a doubt based on Spain.
About Law: now that his name has been revealed (Water Law … Waterloo) he is more of a Belgian than a Frenchy although it can be said Belgium was part of the French Empire at the time of Napoleon, still, at this time it is Belgian territory and his name being a reference to a famous naval battle does not mean that his nationality (I wonder how much this matters anyway) should be derived from the borders at that time. If anyone is French it's Sanji, not Law.
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Doflamingo as a completely spanish name, wears Spanish clothes and is king of a Spanish(south east European) based country. Why would he be based in a french man? And why Napoleon?
Law is the one that is based in french people not Doflamingo. If someone is based in Napoleon that one would be Law, not Doflamingo.
Given that the battle of Trafalgar was France Vs Spain, it makes a lot of sense that Doflamingo, the enemy that law wants really to kill, has a Spanish relantionship.So because of that everything about Dofla has to be connected to Spain?
You know, the Napoleon inspiration might have been just for parts of his life, like those 2 losses at Trafalgar and Waterloo. Law already messed his plans up once, on PH. Twice if you count in how he stopped him from getting CC and Momonosuke. Maybe there's nothing more than that. Or maybe there is.
But you could have quoted someone who actually came up with the idea in the first place.
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Or rather, they would, but then you have certain other fellows to worry about. Like Admirals.
Nevertheless, I love that whole scene. It makes me really interested in how Oda will handle the Revolution.
Consider: This is probably first time where downtrodden fighting the privaleged are not portrayed in purely positive light. I bloody well love it. Scenes like this are one of the reasons I loved the series in the first place.
Putting yourself in a situation where only somebody willing to take on an admiral is going to attack you isn't really willingly putting yourself in danger in terms of normal people though.
Yeah, Oda does love his gray areas and spins doesn't he?
_"_Now! This is it! Now is the time to choose! Die and be free of pain or live and fight your sorrow! Now is the time to shape your stories! Your fate is in your hands!" - Auron
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Fighting Fish Zoan? Really?
As pointed out, when he engaged Blue Gilly in combat he sprouted a Fin on his back, his eyes have been shown to have the same look as an enraged fighting fish, and his hat and appearance has the theme of one. It's strongly hinted that he's a Fighting Fish Zoan.
I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.
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Putting yourself in a situation where only somebody willing to take on an admiral is going to attack you isn't really willingly putting yourself in danger in terms of normal people though.
Ah, but such is the way of gods.
Yeah, Oda does love his gray areas and spins doesn't he?
Shame that most people would simply go something along the lines of "Yeah, torture and lynching is great as long as it happens to people we don't like!".
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Didn't he cut off his father's head around the age of ten? I always thought he got the ability around then. I may be wrong though.
I'm pretty sure it is implied he got it within the past 13 or so years, at least since when Law knew him - because he said if he only had the Opi-Opi no mi's power he'd have taken control of that National treasure in Mariejoa, plus he said he had no intention of giving that fruit to Law so…...
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As pointed out, when he engaged Blue Gilly in combat he sprouted a Fin on his back, his eyes have been shown to have the same look as an enraged fighting fish, and his hat and appearance has the theme of one. It's strongly hinted that he's a Fighting Fish Zoan.
It was also strongly hinted that no fish zoans exist.
I'd bet more on some kind of animal mimicry fruit, or something akin to that.
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Ah, but such is the way of gods.
Exactly, despite what that traitorous Homing may say!
Shame that most people would simply go something along the lines of "Yeah, torture and lynching is great as long as it happens to people we don't like!".
Everybody feels justified with a rope in their hand it seems.
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Seems kinda silly that Homing didn't come with his private army or something. Maybe hire some mercs for protection? Or throw money at the villagers when they came with pitchforks? Why a settled island?
I'm not satisfied with how Homing handled this.
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It was also strongly hinted that no fish zoans exist.
I'd bet more on some kind of animal mimicry fruit, or something akin to that.
We had Aquatic animal Zoan before http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axolotl
So fighting fish as weird as it seems would open up possibilities for Oda to introduce evn bigger variation of Zoans in Kaido arc.
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I think that Dellinger might have been feed with Devil Fruit as a newborn so it could have affected his looks.
I mean we seen that when Zoan DF users have no control over their fruit it shows up by partial or full transformations. We have Chopper who ate DF model human but he still has his horns/ animal traits, over the time he shows being closer to human posture and looks.
So I think we can have human infant who was feed with DF and that affected his looks so he was rejected by his family / some different scenario.Surely if he has Zoan than his bloodlust would have even better explanation- In W7/Ennies Lobby it was said that Zoans affect personality of user if I remember correctly.
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An amphibian is still a different thing that a fish. Axolotl can survive on land if I remember correctly.
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An amphibian is still a different thing that a fish. Axolotl can survive on land if I remember correctly.
I think Axolotl cant live outside of water for long, would have to check. Its Salamander(land animal mostly) devil fruit, model Axolotl.
Okay if all from my previous post wont happen then…
He can be half fishman who ate Bull Devil Fruit :ninja:
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Seems kinda silly that Homing didn't come with his private army or something. Maybe hire some mercs for protection? Or throw money at the villagers when they came with pitchforks? Why a settled island?
I'm not satisfied with how Homing handled this.
He seems like quite the idealist, it probably never occurred to him that his family would be attacked.
Silly, silly man.
_"_Now! This is it! Now is the time to choose! Die and be free of pain or live and fight your sorrow! Now is the time to shape your stories! Your fate is in your hands!" - Auron
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He seems like quite the idealist, it probably never occurred to him that his family would be attacked.
Silly, silly man.
He's probably as crazy as the other CDs, only not as twisted.
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I think Axolotl cant live outside of water for long, would have to check. Its Salamander(land animal mostly) devil fruit, model Axolotl.
Okay if all from my previous post wont happen then…
He can be half fishman who ate Bull Devil Fruit :ninja:
I think there was some kind of metamorphosis involved, something like that.
I'd be fine if he was half fishman. Dofla pirates do seem to be missing their token fishman crewman, anyway. It would also explain his strength. Not that strength in OP needs any explanation.
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Maybe Law attached the horns and he has the fin fin fruit. Seems useless at first but suddenly it appears to be OP like paw paw…
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Maybe Law attached the horns and he has the fin fin fruit. Seems useless at first but suddenly it appears to be OP like paw paw…
The main purpose of fins is to help steering and stabilize motion while in water or air.
Maybe he's a stability man. Except mental.
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He seems like quite the idealist, it probably never occurred to him that his family would be attacked.
Silly, silly man.
There's also the fact that the population of a supposedly non-WG-aligned island still had met enough CDs to hold a centuries-old grudge against them. Isn't the whole point of being outside the WG to not have to answer to CDs and their insane privileges at all ? Others have mentioned before that this might have been a set-up, and we may indeed learn later on that this particular country had broken away from the WG after a violent revolution or something.
But still, the point remains that for all his naivete, Homing didn't expect his family to have landed in a hostile territory. When they first arrived, I was under the impression that people in this remote country would not even know what a Celestial Dragon is.Maybe part of the problem is that we still don't know much about the nature of the interactions between the WG and non-aligned countries. Does the WG treat them like neglectible weak neighbours that they can trample at will due to huge differences in military power? Are they in a state of permanent war like the two Koreas? Cold War? Colonialism? Do they trade? It may vary depending on countries (Wa no Kuni and its samurais would definitely fare better than the poor slobs we're shown in the flashback, for example), there are just too many questions left unanswered.
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I know you're joking but if it's a DF I surely hope it's not meant to stabilize motion in water because he might be stable but he'll sink anyway :P
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_"_Now! This is it! Now is the time to choose! Die and be free of pain or live and fight your sorrow! Now is the time to shape your stories! Your fate is in your hands!" - Auron
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Well centuries of possible inbreeding would do that to you, really.
They don't necessarily inbread though, it has been shown they choose commoners as wives and have several of them. (which should actually be gross to them seeing they don't even want to breath the same air as commoners which should say a lot about their opinions about intercourse and sharing bodily fluids with commoners)
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There's also the fact that the population of a supposedly non-WG-aligned island still had met enough CDs to hold a centuries-old grudge against them. Isn't the whole point of being outside the WG to not have to answer to CDs and their insane privileges at all ? Others have mentioned before that this might have been a set-up, and we may indeed learn later on that this particular country had broken away from the WG after a violent revolution or something.
But still, the point remains that for all his naivete, Homing didn't expect his family to have landed in a hostile territory. When they first arrived, I was under the impression that people in this remote country would not even know what a Celestial Dragon is.Or it was the easiest place for people fleeing the CD's cruelty could get to. Or a place many of their victims were exiled to.
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There's also the fact that the population of a supposedly non-WG-aligned island still had met enough CDs to hold a centuries-old grudge against them. Isn't the whole point of being outside the WG to not have to answer to CDs and their insane privileges at all ? Others have mentioned before that this might have been a set-up, and we may indeed learn later on that this particular country had broken away from the WG after a violent revolution or something.
But still, the point remains that for all his naivete, Homing didn't expect his family to have landed in a hostile territory. When they first arrived, I was under the impression that people in this remote country would not even know what a Celestial Dragon is.Maybe part of the problem is that we still don't know much about the nature of the interactions between the WG and non-aligned countries. Does the WG treat them like neglectible weak neighbours that they can trample at will due to huge differences in military power? Are they in a state of permanent war like the two Koreas? Cold War? Colonialism? Do they trade? It may vary depending on countries (Wa no Kuni and its samurais would definitely fare better than the poor slobs we're shown in the flashback, for example), there are just too many questions left unanswered.
The threat of an admiral coming to kick your ass is the same for anyone, regardless of WG affiliation. I'd think the WG made sure everyone knew about the consequences of attacking CDs.
Also, we know that WG treats all the countries as future WG members and if they refuse, they are attacked, defeated, forcefully absorbed, their people get sent to build a bridge at Tequila Wolf etc…
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They don't necessarily inbread though, it has been shown they choose commoners as wives and have several of them. (which should actually be gross to them seeing they don't even want to breath the same air as commoners which should say a lot about their opinions about intercourse and sharing bodily fluids with commoners)
I learned that principles are much easier to follow if you don't have a boner. :sad:
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Or it was the easiest place for people fleeing the CD's cruelty could get to. Or a place many of their victims were exiled to.
There could be any number of reasons as to why this particular island isn't associated with the world government but seeing their history with them it doesn't seem they would want to be part of such an organisation. Maybe there are so many victims just because this island was never a part of the World Government and that is why they were enslaved. The WG doesn't take kindly to those opposed to their ideas and why should they?
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Oda has already introduced an interesting zoan group. The bug zoans(bugs are the largest group in the animal kingdom).
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I'm pretty sure it is implied he got it within the past 13 or so years, at least since when Law knew him - because he said if he only had the Opi-Opi no mi's power he'd have taken control of that National treasure in Mariejoa, plus he said he had no intention of giving that fruit to Law so…...
Alright so I am wrong. Thanks for the clarifications.
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Seems kinda silly that Homing didn't come with his private army or something. Maybe hire some mercs for protection? Or throw money at the villagers when they came with pitchforks? Why a settled island?
I'm not satisfied with how Homing handled this.
I guess he wanted to live like "regular" people who can't afford 24 hours protection.
Rereading the chapter, apparently Homing allowed his son to walk around in CD garbs and also act like one…
They were also living in a HUGE mansion (the only house in a large area) which is pretty conspicuous. They also have tons of gold with them.
No wonder why people knew they were CD.
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I guess he wanted to live like "regular" people who can't afford 24 hours protection.
Rereading the chapter, apparently Homing allowed his son to walk around in CD garbs and also act like one…
They were also living in a HUGE mansion (the only house in a large area) which is pretty conspicuous. They also have tons of gold with them.
No wonder why people knew they were CD.
Homing really didn't think things through AT ALL.If he wanted to live like regular people then he wouldn't have accepted all the gold and a huge mansion to put it in, seems like he considered himself a human, but not a common human.
Doffy didn't go around wearing traditional CD wear though, now that really would have been silly.
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I guess he wanted to live like "regular" people who can't afford 24 hours protection.
Rereading the chapter, apparently Homing allowed his son to walk around in CD garbs and also act like one…
They were also living in a HUGE mansion (the only house in a large area) which is pretty conspicuous. They also have tons of gold with them.
No wonder why people knew they were CD.
Homing really didn't think things through AT ALL.Yeah, if that's all there is to it, I can't say Oda has done a swell job. Sure, it can be explained with Homing's naivete or insanity, but it seems lazy. Hope there is more. Like other CDs actually plotting to ruin him since they couldn't allow their image to be ruined like that.
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Yeah, if that's all there is to it, I can't say Oda has done a swell job. Sure, it can be explained with Homing's naivete or insanity, but it seems lazy. Hope there is more. Like other CDs actually plotting to ruin him since they couldn't allow their image to be ruined like that.
That's almost 100% sure to have happened. The CD's took care of everything from housing to fortune to location and it was even said "we can't take you any further". Why would that be… Because they dumped their defected comrade on an island which is certain to mean their death sentence. The "filthy human" part of it seems to point this way as well, all the while Homing thought that the CD's were still on his side... Silly man. I'm guessing that a rumour was spread over there that CD's were living on the island amongst regular humans and that they were stripped of their titles. That's how you make an angry mob with pitchforks :)
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Yeah, if that's all there is to it, I can't say Oda has done a swell job. Sure, it can be explained with Homing's naivete or insanity, but it seems lazy. Hope there is more. Like other CDs actually plotting to ruin him since they couldn't allow their image to be ruined like that.
Well it certainly does seem unlikely that one town like that could be inhabited by so many people with such large axes to grind in regards to the Celestial Dragons without some kind of further explanation.
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Homing's intentions were good and anyone could tell his character is different from the usual Celestial Dragons. He was just naive and underestimated the amount of hate people had and the situation just got out of hand. Even if Doffy is still a bastard, I still can't bring myself to dislike him.
Here’s how Naruto should end: Last panel is Naruto standing proudly over Konohagakure. Slowly zoom out to reveal Luffy staring into a snowglobe with a miniature Konoha inside it. Usopp asks him what he’s doing. Luffy replies “Thinkin’ bout ninjas! Ninjas are cool!” and then chucks it off the ship
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If he wanted to live like regular people then he wouldn't have accepted all the gold and a huge mansion to put it in, seems like he considered himself a human, but not a common human.
Doffy didn't go around wearing traditional CD wear though, now that really would have been silly.
Good point but even regular people wants money. However, if he wanted the wealth and mansion, he could have just stay at marijoa and live like a "human". The other CD can't kick him out if he chose that lifestyle.
Doffy is wearing a skirt (?)that looks like what the CD wears minus the bubble coat. His outfit is definitely more toned down. Regardless, Doffy look really conspicuous in that outfit.Yeah, if that's all there is to it, I can't say Oda has done a swell job. Sure, it can be explained with Homing's naivete or insanity, but it seems lazy. Hope there is more. Like other CDs actually plotting to ruin him since they couldn't allow their image to be ruined like that.
The CD already has a terrible reputation among the common people. Their image is pretty much ruined.
As other have pointed out, the other CD could have deliberately send him to that place just to make him suffer.
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Homing's intentions were good and anyone could tell his character is different from the usual Celestial Dragons. He was just naive and underestimated the amount of hate people had and the situation just got out of hand. Even if Doffy is still a bastard, I still can't bring myself to dislike him.
I imagine the manner of Rocinante's death will really cement Doffy's status as a total bastard.
_"_Now! This is it! Now is the time to choose! Die and be free of pain or live and fight your sorrow! Now is the time to shape your stories! Your fate is in your hands!" - Auron
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I imagine the manner of Rocinante's death will really cement Doffy's status as a total bastard.
I was actually thinking the same thing.
