Things in manga/anime you're sick of seeing

Lorce

Yes, BUT. Fan scanlations are not publishers.
There's no strong reason to "only jump on the popular titles" in droves other than if sleazy profitting from piracy is involved.
Yeah. You know who I'm talking about..

Yeah when you put it like that… it is true that SOME sites even just publish the mainstream mangas atm... no need for names, but on the other hand there are other scanlations sites that have done some less popular mangas, otherwise the sites wouldn't be so full of different mangas from different magazines. Easy Going Scans has a nice variety of manwhas and mangas that aren't necessarily popular... it's just about venturing and finding the right ones I guess.

Warp Predator

I am basically forced to read obscure manga, cause we need projects to translate and every one more or less popular is already taken.("Cattle farming" one is hilariously mundane and heartwarming). And local translating community is a pool of poorly educated sharks. Second problem is that there are some good stuff, that aren't translated to english, cause it's not popular enough. Which is sad.

…
Anyway is a matter of quality and personal opinion. Manga can be innovative but boring..or include all cliches and still be catching.

Aohige_AP

What's funny is though, the FMA Cattle Farming Silver Spoon is very popular in Japan.
With no anime boost, less volumes out, and nearly no merchandising (what, you gonna sell COW STICKERS?), just the sheer power of the manga alone, sells more than the anime boosted Magi, vast majority of Jump titles, and in the top 10 best selling series of the year.

But I guess foreign readership can care less about farming shit, FMA or no FMA.

DarthAsthma

Silver spoon is a weird manga, for me it's the tetris of manga. The things that happen in it are so mundane but somehow reading it gives me this really trance like feeling like when you're playing tetris and you get really into it.

TLC

@Aohige_AP:

What's funny is though, the FMA Cattle Farming Silver Spoon is very popular in Japan.
With no anime boost, less volumes out, and nearly no merchandising (what, you gonna sell COW STICKERS?), just the sheer power of the manga alone, sells more than the anime boosted Magi, vast majority of Jump titles, and in the top 10 best selling series of the year.

But I guess foreign readership can care less about farming shit, FMA or no FMA.

Well to be fair, the author has a reputation which is why it's so popular in Japan. Look at how well Ass Class is doing based on its author's reputation.

Aohige_AP

Reputation? You mean Neuro?
As much as Neuro was a fun read, the actual success and reputation is pretty tame you know.
4 million copies sold with 23 volumes of tankoubon, it's a pretty low-hitter for a jump series running that long.
(even Nurarihyon no Mago, which was running a pretty low score card, did 11 million in 24 volumes)

I think AC's success is more attributed to itself than "author fame".

TLC

Really? That's a shame. Neuro is one of my favorite series ever. I guess Ass Class truly deserves every bit of its fame then :)

GiantGuy

I'm not sure it's as general of a problem as I may think, as I've not read that many mangas, but… The in-universe gender distribution in mangas. There is shonen with a mostly male cast and a couple of useless females (Dragon Ball, One Piece to a minor degree), harem (Love Hina) and shojo with a mostly female cast and a couple of useless males (Tokyo Mew Mew as far as I remember). Fairy Tail of all mangas is the only one I think of where there used to be some equal distribution, but now it has more or less drifted over in Natsu and his harem territory.

Straight man jokes which are employed much in Japanese humor, can also be tiresome. Really, as far as simplicity goes, even toilet humor may be more complex - a stupid person says something dumb, a smarter person points out the stupidity. I'm not sure how the Japanese people feel about sarcasm/irony, or if they even have a true understanding of it, because they certainly don't use it much in their comics - as opposed to us Westerners who have made many series where deadpan sarcasm is the only source of humor. Okay, subtle irony happens now and then, but actual sarcasm seems almost absent.

And sometimes, Japanese culture is just too weird for my taste. That's probably why I prefer reading mangas like One Piece which take place in fantasy worlds. One Piece actually seems escapist at times: Lots of loud and boisterous characters who are not afraid to stick out from the norms/authorities and show emotion but are still portrayed very sympathetically. That's not quite as accepted in real life Japan as far as I know.

Smiley

@Aohige_AP:

What's funny is though, the FMA Cattle Farming Silver Spoon is very popular in Japan.
With no anime boost, less volumes out, and nearly no merchandising (what, you gonna sell COW STICKERS?), just the sheer power of the manga alone, sells more than the anime boosted Magi, vast majority of Jump titles, and in the top 10 best selling series of the year.

But I guess foreign readership can care less about farming shit, FMA or no FMA.

Hey i did read:ninja:(even if i'm not much into farm) though i'm kinda behind on it since i don't remenber the site were i read it.

desa

Magi has been beat by a farming manga!!!!!!! Really suprise me. Most be good.

Gliblord

@Aohige_AP:

You guys realize there's new volumes of over 1000 titles being released every month in Japan, right?
You may want to venture away from "big popular shounen manga", because Japan is NEVER in lack of variety and originality.

Did you know there's a popular series running in Sunday about CATTLE FARMING?
Did you know there's a popular manga running in Monthly Big Comic Spirits where entire manga is composed of nothing but "images of a girl eating delicious food"?
Did you know there's a popular manga about Jesus Christ and Buddha living in an apartment in Japan as young, eccentric hipsters?
Did you know there's a popular manga about conspiracies of TV medium, ties with Yakuza, and a beautiful news caster protagonist being the mastermind behind it all?
Did you know there's a long running popular manga about a vigilante swindler who only swindle other professional swindlers, exacting revenge and justice on them?

Guys, the list can go on for hundreds of lines. And I'm not even exaggerating.
These are just the current manga, if I include the last fifty years of manga, the list would be counted in thousands.

Every single time I see someone complaining about lack of variety, it's the same focus on "but but but it's not running in Jump! So it must not exist!"
Blame the English speaking fan communities for feverishly only focusing on "popular big shounen titles", neglecting vast majority of the market out there.

I actually picked up the first volume of Saint Young Men having never heard of it before, I just had to buy it. I still haven't read it though lol

What's that one with the beautiful reporter protagonist?

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As boss as Silver Spoon undoubtedly is, I admit I was put off when the protag got all disgusted when he found out chickens lay eggs out their ass. Uh, dude... Duh?

Archie Griffs

@Lorce:

Seeing this that must mean you only ever watched/read those mangas… Did I understand that right? :p

Well if you're interested in new mangas, my list from before gives you enough options, and since you saw how big my list of dislikes was, I would only recommend mangas that are above standard and original as can be ;D try some :) (I hope I don't look like I'm blowing my own horn here :p)

You know just to show you some of the ones I read: Vagabond, One Punch Man, Hungry Joker, Tough, The Breaker, Oroborous, Hammer Session, Gambler Fish, Green Blood, ReMember, Ganz (mature), Buster Keel, Suicide Island, Sun Ken Rock (mature) and some more, but these are top of my head best ones I know :)

Yeah you hit the nail on the head, I'm stuck on the first few ones I was introduced too, and can't seem to tear myself apart. It's been what like 3 years since I've done anything with DBZ, somehow time manages to fly way too fast and the list of things I want to read/watch never gets done.

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@Aohige_AP:

Every single time I see someone complaining about lack of variety, it's the same focus on "but but but it's not running in Jump! So it must not exist!"
Blame the English speaking fan communities for feverishly only focusing on "popular big shounen titles", neglecting vast majority of the market out there.

I agree I've been neglecting that part of the market, and since I'm from the U.S. and everything has to be hand fed or thrown in my face to see it (sarcasm). If anything I think it's that I'm overwhelmed by so much manga/anime that I often don't know where to begin, what to do next, what I'll even be able to read in my spare time, or if I'll even have spare time in the first place. For that reason I often stick to what I have seen, and that keeps me occupied. What I do see in those, is that they're awfully similar, but I guess when they're that successful why change it? I've gotten some pretty good advice from both you and Haros though, so I'll have to explore those new options, thanks :D.

Waytoo

Probably covered but:

The main villain is so strong that no one but the main protagonist can even touch them. Off the top of my head the Shishio fight in Kenshin was really bad at this. Sano's double layer physics-breaking punch did literally nothing to Shishio..DBZ got pretty bad about this at times too, but Bleach takes the cake for me when all the captains working together couldn't even scratch Aizen..

It's fine to have your main character be the strongest, but when you have a large cast of heroes the worst thing to do is make them all useless, have them contribute, even if only in a small way. Strawhats vs Oars and the final fight from FMA especially are good examples of how to have everyone pitch in.
/rant

Aohige_AP

@Hiroy:

You know, this sort of reminds me of people that don't really think other comics exist outside the "cape" genre from DC/Marvel. Which is kind of a shame.

Luckily, unlike say Strangers in Paradise or Maus, the non-"shounen biggies" in Japan actually has a very significant following.
They aren't considered a niche market at all. Japanese comic book market has been blessed with maturity, unlike say, its film and music market.

@Waytoo:

Probably covered but:

The main villain is so strong that no one but the main protagonist can even touch them. Off the top of my head the Shishio fight in Kenshin was really bad at this. Sano's double layer physics-breaking punch did literally nothing to Shishio..DBZ got pretty bad about this at times too, but Bleach takes the cake for me when all the captains working together couldn't even scratch Aizen..
/rant

The thing is, Hiko could take care of ALL the villains in the whole series had he had the desire to.
Shishio was only untouchable because the TRUE "strongest swordsman" was a lazy retired bum.

Hiroy

@Aohige_AP:

Luckily, unlike say Strangers in Paradise or Maus, the non-shounen biggies in Japan actually has a very significant following.
They aren't considered a niche market at all. Japanese comic book market has been blessed with maturity, unlike say, its film and music market.

I would not say "lucky", but it's awesome seeing that the media has that much attention and respect. I can somewhat understand why it's really niche here as there's the film industry is at the top of entertainment. That, and the rise of western comics outside the Marvel/DC spectrum still seems rather young to me.

I'm curious to see several of these titles from Japan though. Especially some with random off-the-wall humor in a particularly normal setting(akin to Calvin and Hobbies). Like Yotsuba or Nichijou.

Sniper King

The power of friendship is the best thing in the entire world and nothing could ever defeat it.
Until one of those fucking "friends" is evil!!
But wait! I can still save him/her! She/he is not truly evil! Not in his/her HEART!

Being a hero requires patience, heart, courage and, above all, a sense of responsibility.

Aohige_AP

@Gliblord:

I actually picked up the first volume of Saint Young Men having never heard of it before, I just had to buy it. I still haven't read it though lol

What's that one with the beautiful reporter protagonist?

Denpa no Shiro (Castle of Airwaves) from manga veteran Hosoho Fujihiko.
The author was a bigshot shounen manga artist (Gu-Gu Gummo, Sasuga no Sarutobi, etc) back in the 80s with multiple TV animated manga, and was also responsible for Dirty Pair costume designs. But since the 90s he changed his style completely from shounen slapstick humor to seinen mature themed mysteries and thrillers. Gallery Fake and Double Face were pretty popular, and current Denpa no Shiro has been going on for six years.

@Sniper:

The power of friendship is the best thing in the entire world and nothing could ever defeat it.
Until one of those fucking "friends" is evil!!
But wait! I can still save him/her! She/he is not truly evil! Not in his/her HEART!

Being a hero requires patience, heart, courage and, above all, a sense of responsibility.

Oh come on now, if Bruce was ever to go off the deep end, Clark would do everything in his power to help him out.

Sniper King

@Aohige_AP:

Denpa no Shiro (Castle of Airwaves) from manga veteran Hosoho Fujihiko.
The author was a bigshot shounen manga artist (Gu-Gu Gummo, Sasuga no Sarutobi, etc) back in the 80s with multiple TV animated manga, and was also responsible for Dirty Pair costume designs. But since the 90s he changed his style completely from shounen slapstick humor to seinen mature themed mysteries and thrillers. Gallery Fake and Double Face were pretty popular, and current Denpa no Shiro has been going on for six years.

Oh come on now, if Bruce was ever to go off the deep end, Clark would do everything in his power to help him out.

Yeah, but they wouldn't do it with the power of friendship. They'd beat the shit out of each other, and probably add in a few speeches.

I don't like bullies, no matter who they are.

phoenix_fire

I hate it, when there are just endless fights and the plot is only advanced during or through battles.
Especially when there was that big epic battle and now the situation calmed down and the heroes are heading home and just in the same or next chapter the next foe appears or the heroes are once again starting a new mission or fight.

Mizrath

Denpa no Shiro actually sounds pretty interesting, do you know anywhere where that has engish scanlations of it?

pyromonki

Tsunderes need to go.

Shingeki no Souma just made me realize how much I hate Tsundere.

desa

The more you multiply the weaker you became.

Cyclone_Baroness

Someone confessing their love at long last. But the other person didn't hear it because headphones/loud rain/asleep/something in their ear/etc.

A long coming confession of love happens. Relationship goes back to zero next chapter from an outside misunderstanding.

Deviant_Mugen

Hearing girls shout "Waah! Some guy flipped my skirt/saw my panties, now I can't be a bride anymore!" It happens way too often and always in response to some relatively trivial offense.

Unrealistic endings (yeah, yeah, manga, I know). This is mostly a problem that shoujo manga have, but I've also seen it elsewhere. The biggest offender I can think of right now is Bokura ga Ita's ending, and anyone who's read it should know what I'm talking about.

Not sure if I've mentioned this one before, but a friend whose sole purpose is to exacerbate problems/misunderstandings by saying the stupidest shit at the worst moment (like that douche from Nisekoi). The series where it bothered me the most were Yume de Aetara and Orange Yane no Chiisana Ie, because the female protagonists always let their opinion get swayed by a joke that was mostly made in passing. Though, given that both of those series are by the same mangaka, maybe I should just say I have a slight problem with Yamahana Noriyuki (though, I still enjoy his work)…

@Baroness: Ugh, two more that I can't stand.

HXHAlex

Im sick of seeing a great/good manga series become terrible because it overstayed it's welcome and stretched its story out

Cyclone_Baroness

I'm also sick of characters not believing friends when weird stuff happens to them constantly and they witnessed other strange events too but people insist that the friend is just being goofy or being paranoid.

IceBorg

@Cyclone_Baroness:

I'm also sick of characters not believing friends when weird stuff happens to them constantly and they witnessed other strange events too but people insist that the friend is just being goofy or being paranoid.

This only annoys me when it happens in a fantasy series where characters should know stuff like that is possible, I can't find a example right now, but I'm pretty sure I read some series where that happens. Well if its used for comedy purposes then its okay I guess.

Cyclone_Baroness

@IceBorg:

This only annoys me when it happens in a fantasy series where characters should know stuff like that is possible, I can't find a example right now, but I'm pretty sure I read some series where that happens. Well if its used for comedy purposes then its okay I guess.

I find that it happens far too often in JJBA…I really want to throttle a lot of the characters lol.

But I have seen it occur in fantasy stuff too. It's so weird to me when characters that have the ability to cast magic or hang around people that can are super skeptical to the point of it being stupid.

MDL

@pyromonki:

Tsunderes need to go.

Shingeki no Souma just made me realize how much I hate Tsundere.

they're definitely too common, but i really like Taiga from ToraDora. she makes it work somehow.

Deviant_Mugen

@MDL:

they're definitely too common, but i really like Taiga from ToraDora. she makes it work somehow.

Yup, she does it by being the best tsundere ever; I loved Taiga…

Cruithne

I don't mind tsunderes if they're, you know, called out on it.

But nope, usually it's played off as being funny or cute.

MiyamotoMusashi

@MDL:

they're definitely too common, but i really like Taiga from ToraDora. she makes it work somehow.

What? Taiga is the worst of them all

bepo

its funny how i mostly agree on the things you all hate(in harem series) and they all apear in nisekoi, but stil i like the serie

DarthAsthma

Sket Dance - Saaya, that was some funny shit

Black Leg

A good tsundere shouldn't be 90% bitch then 10% dere after she pushes it too far, there should be a balance between the tsun and the dere. Recently it seems like most tsunderes aren't striking a balance which is why I'm beginning to hate an archetype I used to quite enjoy

TLC

I actually have a soft spot for tsunderes. I just like the archetype. Dunno why. I think my favorite tsunderes are Kaname Chidori from Full Metal Panic and Queen Arika (Negi's mother) from Negima.

MDL

@MiyamotoMusashi:

What? Taiga is the worst of them all

nah, at least taiga had some depth to her and actually delivered some emotional/soft/weaker moments.
(Ryuuji dressing up as the santa bear and making her night, unwittingly confessing to ryuuji in her sleep during the blizzard, screaming "nobody touch him, he's mine!" when ryuuji almost drowned, breaking down sobbing when she admits to herself that she loves ryuuji barely a few moments after encouraging him to go after another girl, the tender bedroom kiss scene, etc)

she had personal conflicts with several other characters, especially ami who made her feel horrible, to the point of slapping her in retaliation.
and she came off as a badass at times, especially when she beat the fuck out of sumire for a significant portion of their fight.

it's all opinions of course, but i hold her in pretty high regard with all things considered.

i'd say that Louise from Zero No Tsukaima got on my nerves far more often than taiga.

Retro

Proabably mentioend already but the whole "walking accidently into a bathroom on a female naked and characters getting shouted/beat up" over it and being presumed they're perverts because some stupid bimbo either never tells them before hand or the house has soundproof walls. Seriously don't houses in Japan have locks on bathrooms? Or I don't know, the characters have good hearing enough to know when a shower is running? I know this is a common joke in manga but most of the time it's just quite annoying to me.

Cyclone_Baroness

Does Moriganna from Magi count as a Tsundere? Cause if so I think she's the most likeable. She at least has a good reason for being standoffish.

Yeah Retro. Bathroom situations are always weird. No matter what happens the male is at fault. Which is bizarre to me since it usually seems to be a girl walking in on a guy.
Or the even more forced over reaction. Male falls through the roof or out of the sky and lands in the bath with some girl. Automatically labeled a perv.

Black Leg

@Cyclone_Baroness:

Does Moriganna from Magi count as a Tsundere? .

I'd say she was dandere before a tsundere, but really both are just labels that doesn't perfectly describe the personality of a character like Morgianna

Big_Bad_Lith

I'm sick of people being told to take showers after they've come in out of the rain, "so they don't get a cold."
Bonus sickness points if someone walks in on them while they're showering. As you guys said, bathroom mishaps are bad enough, but when you JUST SENT THE GUY IN THERE don't go in after him, dumbshit.
also sick of people suddenly touching their forehead against another's, to test their temperature, without even saying anything beforehand.
also sick of people colliding into eachother and ending up on top of one another, and staying there for more than half a second, too paralyzed by their japanese honor and embarrassment to just fucking move out of the goddamn way.
extra curricular sickness points if any of these scenarios lead to crotches on faces, and hands on boobs.

basically I'm sick of to-love-ru I guess.

Black Leg

That reminded me of the one thing I hate the most.
When a character gets a cold and then they're stuck in bed for 2 weeks with a cold equivalent to cancer! Seriously fuck this!

Cyclone_Baroness

Sort of a weird thing I'm about to admit…But I don't like seeing people suddenly deciding to play for the other team after days of near or full on molestations.

Random guy: Ah I just realized I love that guy now! I was totally not into men at all, but I can tell how much he loves me by how much he sexual harasses me.

IceBorg

@Cyclone_Baroness:

Sort of a weird thing I'm about to admit…But I don't like seeing people suddenly deciding to play for the other team after days of near or full on molestations.

Random guy: Ah I just realized I love that guy now! I was totally not into men at all, but I can tell how much he loves me by how much he sexual harasses me.

That looks like something from bad fanfiction, where did you even find that in manga/anime?!?:blink:

Cyclone_Baroness

@IceBorg:

That looks like something from bad fanfiction, where did you even find that in manga/anime?!?:blink:

Sometimes when I finish reading my weekly manga I just see what mangahere recommends me based off those series. Mangahere recommends a lot of yaoi lol.

MiyamotoMusashi

@Cyclone_Baroness:

Sort of a weird thing I'm about to admit…But I don't like seeing people suddenly deciding to play for the other team after days of near or full on molestations.

Random guy: Ah I just realized I love that guy now! I was totally not into men at all, but I can tell how much he loves me by how much he sexual harasses me.

Now that you say this, i am reminded of a manga (forgot the name) in which the female protagonist gets raped by some musicians who raped her as revenge against her boyfriend. In the end she decides to stay with the musician even though he put her through hell.

evilvanessafan

probably mentioned a billion times already, but the thing that annoys me the most is rescue arcs, bleach even did this twice in a row….

:getlost:

Crossword

@IceBorg:

That looks like something from bad fanfiction, where did you even find that in manga/anime?!?:blink:

My understanding is that a fair number of (crappy) Boys Love manga run with this. Sexual harassment is okay because in actuality you did want it, you were just in denial or some shit!

Blargh.

DarthAsthma

Anime characters speaking english, german or french(and probably other foreign languages but these are the ones I actually know and understand). Haven't seen it being done correctly yet. German is the worst offender I swear. Engrish can be sometimes funny and charming though in small doses.

It's really annoying and sometimes revolting when there is a really tense situation happening and the character has to speak in all his coolness gibberish that kind of sounds like the language (uncanny valley of languages).

I think the opposite holds also true but haven't seen any movies since I started learning japanese where the characters speak japanese.
Seriously the last movie I remember was the last samurai, also probably not really comparable since different production standarts.

Deviant_Mugen

@DarthAsthma:

Anime characters speaking english, german or french(and probably other foreign languages but these are the ones I actually know and understand). Haven't seen it being done correctly yet. German is the worst offender I swear. Engrish can be sometimes funny and charming though in small doses.

It's really annoying and sometimes revolting when there is a really tense situation happening and the character has to speak in all his coolness gibberish that kind of sounds like the language (uncanny valley of languages).

I think the opposite holds also true but haven't seen any movies since I started learning japanese where the characters speak japanese.
Seriously the last movie I remember was the last samurai, also probably not really comparable since different production standarts.

Go watch Azumanga Daioh dubbed and you'll see that it does indeed hold true. I could only stomach a few minutes of it before closing the tab and never going back. Granted, I don't speak Japanese, but I've watched enough anime to spot mispronunciations in a dub. Also, Squid Girl features a foreign character speaking fluent English and it was a pretty nice surprise (

). That's the only clip I could find of that scene and Cindy, the blonde, only has that one line in it, but you can easily tell that the seiyuu is fluent in English.

And to contribute some more annoyances to this thread: Nice guys never getting the girl because the popular, possessive asshole got them first. This is mostly a staple of shoujo, but since that's one of the genres I read on occasion, it pops up quite a bit.

Also, shy girls and dense guys in rom-com stories. The reason you lose your childhood friend/crush to the assertive (possibly tsundere) girl is because you don't just flat out tell the guy you've been in love with him for decades. And the guy usually mentions afterwards how he would've taken pretty much any girl as his girlfriend, so, yeah, that just adds insult to injury. Worst of all, the shy girl usually ends up alone/still in love with the guy at the end of the story, even though he's been with his girlfriend throughout the entire story. I know it's fiction, but come on, mangaka…