Eh, the whole business with Abs was better than I thought it would be, but was still pretty boring. I really hope we just cut to Luffy's fight next chapter, and get something interesting going on.
Chapter 471 "MY FRIEND" Discussion
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Ok so apparently since it was ignored in the spoiler thread I'll post it again (and it'll probably be ignored again covered by the loud panting of the greasy Perona fanboy legions) , Perona's dream is to be the ruler of a country filled with cute animal zombies she'd treat like Bearsy, aka treat like utter shit.
That is so Strawhat material.
I agree, Perona is not Strawhat Flavor, Perona will not join.
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Trans was great. Can't wait for scanlation.
I believe I may just have to skip annoying posts about Perona now. I like the girl's design, and she is pretty cute, but afro skeletons amuse me more.
And now I know that Brooke is just too tired to get up now, so he's gonna get out of the way. I was wondering if he was planning something somewhere else, so this clears it up.
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There's a lot less Odz in this chapter than I was anticipating. I would've ranked it a bit lower than the 'so-so' I was expecting in the spoiler discussion, but Laura gave some saving grace to the Nami subplot. She came off pretty likeable and I thought their friendship was nice (it may be grasping at straws but I'll consider that part of Nami's productivity this arc. … Yeah..)
But geez, get some self-respect woman. This guy finally gets to the point of shooting you, and you still want to marry him? Laura's a bit like a female version of Sanji in this respect, and that's NO GOOD.
I was expecting Nami's finishing move to just come off as patronizing, but now it's got an extra undercurrent - it's a little depressing too. She just looks so pleased with herself.
That two-page spread at the end is without a doubt the best part. I didn't even notice the pillar-chucks in the little spoiler pics. Though this chapter was mediocre, it does get you pumped for the next one. Hope we're going to see some ingenious team-work, strategizing, combo attacks and other crazy shit.
(I'm kind of itching to see more Moria though.)
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I can't believe no one's mentioned the FMA references yet XD~
I mean come on! FMA!
And that Nami getting mad over her friend…beautiful. Just beautiful.
Side note: Aldrich your sarcasm scares me :ninja:
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brooke is probably going to be the weakest strawhat to join if he indeed does join the crew. also if perona's dream really was that cute zombie kingdom would she really be abandoning thriller bark and moria? i think in the end she's probably just a character with no real goals but if she joins the strawhats she may end up setting a goal and try to achieve it. it would certainly be different from the other strawhats who already have goals when they join the crew. even though she acted cold towards bearsy she was still pissed when he was purified so she does have some feeling towards her subordinates. listen i'm not really dying for brooke or perona to join the crew but i'm just throwing things out there. for all we know neither of them will join and the next crewmate will come from merman island.
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@seventyseven:
it's cool that the "weak" trio in the end, really did fight the top 3 of TB !
neatyup, that aspect definitely made my day. Any one who had mentioned that outcome in the god forsaken fight matchup thread a couple of months ago got flamed up the side of the head. So… since they defeated moria's three top underlings... I suppose that means usopp, chopper and nami are stronger than zoro sanji and franky? Isn't that a shounen law of some sort?
@Taz:I was expecting Nami's finishing move to just come off as patronizing, but now it's got an extra undercurrent - it's a little depressing too. She just looks so pleased with herself.
But not even nami expected that one attack to finish off Absalom. If Abs had countered, nami would have pulled out a couple of more impressive tricks… but no matter. Nami's quite likely to get a good matchup on fishman island. Sea water transmits electricity well and a navigator fishman's knowledge of currents should rival Nami's. The nice thing about one piece is that every character gets their day of glory eventually.
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I thought this chapter was pretty cool. A small face came on my face when Lara got blasted.
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Just had a thought… Zoro is sitting next to a killer whale shark. Jimbei?
It's not very likely.That whale is wearing a crown.
Now…
Who else is often seen wearing a crown throughout this arc?
DUN DUN ...FORESHADOWING!! O.OBrook is getting less and less panel time lately. His triumphant fight was interrupted and he's been looking pretty damn bad ever since Tallaran. I hope he'll get crunched into bits by Oz/Moria in order to fuel Luffy's emo-fire so he'll start kicking some serious ass. :X
Oh God, make it stop.
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Oh God, make it stop.
I'd like to say the same to everyone who thinks "Perona isn't joining" needs to be said another hundred times.
Loving the colorspread. I like how Luffy looks straight at you.
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Alright, Brooke is not that weak. He schooled talleran which even franky and robin had a hard time doing, granted he knew how to purify him. However the purification was after he got owned.
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@Pass:
I'd like to say the same to everyone who thinks "Perona isn't joining" needs to be said another hundred times.
Loving the colorspread. I like how Luffy looks straight at you.
I was leaning more to the fact that the over analyzing in the posts baffle me, but sure.
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Sorry but no.
Lola is a form of Dolores and is an spanish name, it comes from "Virgen de los Dolores" like Rocio comes from "Virgen del Rocio", Pilar from "Virgen del Pilar"… in other words, they are traditional catholic names in spain and the name made an evolution.
In the other part, Laura is a Latin name that means "the victorious one" and its meaning is different from Dolores/Lola that means "suffering", both have latin origins.
With all respect to your etymology of names here, it really means nothing on what I commented. The original name is katakanized as "Ro-Ra" which allows following romanizations: Rora, Rola, Lora, Lola. And next when you consider that you can also switch o with au you have the options Raura, Raula, Laura and Laula. So yes, among others both Lola and Laura are valid romanizations based on the Katakana. Which you prefer is up to you.
The explanations you´ve just posted are good background infos in order to make you decide your own favorite but they don´t have much to do with proper romanizations based on the original spelling.
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The others expected Nami to try to save them and she turned round and did the opposite. Plus she sold Luffy out to Buggy when she first met him. And her main concern is always only treasure before everything else.
Really is that the best you've got? It was before she even really knew Luffy. And the CP9 received a lot of character buildup, well at least Kaku, Calipha, Lucci and Blueno (the ones working previously for the Galley La basically) but that didn't mean any of them were potential crewmates
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soo… i keep wondering where Hildon, the midgets, capt john and the gunslinger went....
is hildon bellydancing somewhere by himself? or what is that guy up to?
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Hildon is obviously sneaking into the Sunny Go, prepping up to be the next crew member. He has so much so much going for him, that I'm not going to bother to list them….and he's ssssooooooo KKaaaawaaaiiiiii!!!!:wub:
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I'm hoping Ussop snipes perona as she gets into a boat to leave going "Lead star, Mother fucker" knocking her into the ocean to be eaten by zombie dolphins who then throw her up so her fanboys can wack off to it.
Just to end all this nonsense.
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An OK chapter. After reading the translation, I think its hilarious that not even the Strawhats knew how to pronounce Odz's name.
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Decent chapter. I just hope Perona gets beaten quickly so people can stop with the crew joining nonsense.
And yeah, the confusion over Odz's proper name is both hilarious and strangely creepy. It's as if Oda is watching us…
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I'm hoping Ussop snipes perona as she gets into a boat to leave going "Lead star, Mother fucker" knocking her into the ocean to be eaten by zombie dolphins who then throw her up so her fanboys can wack off to it.
Just to end all this nonsense.
Thus ultimately setting in stone that Perona's sole purpose in OP is to make the series lose fans(boys) when she doesn't join, but simultaneously gain applause and respect from all of us who just want the retarded Perona fanboys to shut up.
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Xcept Enel was still coughing out blood and looked like he was in no shape to fight. Perona… Not so much.
Especially when the reason why she wasn't fully incapacitated wasn't because he didn't have the means to knock her out for the count but because of some garbage Sanjiesque "ILL NEVER HIT THE OWNER OF A VOJOIIIIINA" pseudo chivalry.
Uh, considering the fact that all Enel really has to do is look at somebody to kill them, it really isn't a big deal. That, and he obviously had enough "shape" left to pilot the Maxim into space.
Don't ever recall Usopp saying he doesn't hit women. In fact, he willingly battled against Miss Merry Christmas. Now you're just making up shit.
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Alright guys, ENOUGH ABOUT PERONA. It's old, it's annoying, and it's not going to make a difference to yell at each other about Perona joining or not joining, so I hope this post ends it. Though I doubt it.
Let's talk about something else. Let's talk about possibly what is to come? I'm really pumped for next week's chapter.
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Wow, Absalom's pathetic return and Nami's annoying "i wiiin" reaction are a new low point in the series.
Jump's cover and the amazing colorspread helped to save the week, though. -
Hildon is obviously sneaking into the Sunny Go, prepping up to be the next crew member. He has so much so much going for him, that I'm not going to bother to list them….and he's ssssooooooo KKaaaawaaaiiiiii!!!!:wub:
Actually, you just made me think of something. Hildon is kind of a scout for the Thriller Bark crew, isn't he? Well, wouldn't he see Perona trying to escape then?
Now, I don't know where that would lead to, but it does open some possibilites.
Wow, Absalom's pathetic return and **Nami's annoying "i wiiin" reaction are a new low point in the series.**Jump's cover and the amazing colorspread helped to save the week, though.
That was cute though.
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May I ask what is it with Brooke bashing lately? All of a sudden nobody likes him anymore!
I tell you, he WILL JOIN!!!
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if you ask me, Perona suffers from the same unoriginal design disease as the Buster Call admirals
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Ohh, I don't think this has been posted yet.
Here's another version of the raw, grabbed from share. No watermarks, spread and cover included. I didn't scan it, I'm far from getting any issues of jump. (Mediafire mirror)
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Thank you
To be honest, I really didn't like this chapter that much. It was kind of like "Oh, Absalom got beat again, meh…" and Lola going "I'm your friend"...blech. And now the Straw Hats' fight with Oz is going to resume. It kinda feels like nothing happened. Still, I guess this gives a brief break rather than having a constant stream of fights in a row.
I guess I'm just getting impatient for the Luffy/Moria fight :/
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The best thing that could happen to Perona is that she'll get her own mini-arc.
Yeah I know you're all getting sick of Perona joining posts but it was the same with Paulie joining as well. Then we were all wrong after we saw Franky in action. Holy crap did we not see that coming!
Right now I'm wondering what will happen while shes on the ship. Maybe she'll sail by where the Straw-Hats all make a jump on Sunny and then realize that there are zombies on the ship and start kicking their asses and Perona is just shivering in fear. I don't think Straw-Hats would attack someone whos afraid of them and I don't think they'll just let her drown if she jumps off the ship in fear.
To kill the "annoying" theories of her joining the crew. She must not be on the ship, but I don't really care if she doesn't join the crew, it would be nice if she did because that would mean I'm right and all you nay-sayers and FREAKING WRONG.
But I'm not holding my breath. I'll be happy when the crew is complete.
OH and remember, this is a shounen series. Don't suspect too many girls…...I should really read my posts once in awhile.....
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Really is that the best you've got? It was before she even really knew Luffy. And the CP9 received a lot of character buildup, well at least Kaku, Calipha, Lucci and Blueno (the ones working previously for the Galley La basically) but that didn't mean any of them were potential crewmates
Oh theres more then that, it seems people forget some of Nami's basic personnelity. Here is another example: She also would have walked out on the crew when they first arrived in the GL due to Baroque Works, had it not been for Mr.13 drawing a picture of her just to save her own skin as she didn't wanted to be messed up with a shichibukai. She also surrendered to Enel after his test when she was the last man standing because she was afraid.
Come on… This is the Nami's we've grown to know, she is the kind who sends others to do her work first and fights when no one else is there to do so, even then her basic instincts is to run first. Sure she has learnt to fight on her own since she got her weather weapon and does so whenever she has no other option... But even in EL there are examples of her trying to avoid the danger. The only thing you can say is that she has a line she will not cross and an example is in this latest chapter.
It seems a lot of people see Nami differently to how she acts. Is it the fanboyism clouding their judgement? Or is everyone ignoring her bad points now? :wassat:
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I also point out she is in the bottom tier of the crew (with Usopp and Chopper) whose instincts when face with danger is to avoid it largely due to the lack of strength all three pocess that the likes of everyone else has. As for crossing the line, she isn't as bad in cowardice as Usopp, but even Usopp has found a way to be brave sometimes.
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Anyone noticed that Oda portrayed himself in the colour spread?
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Perona said that she will put all the treasures on TB into the thousand sunny…sooo nicce the SH will have money after this arc....so perona has a really important role ahahahha....
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I liked this chapter - I hope we get to meet the person Lola's shadow came from. They're probably pretty cool.
Is that a huge vein I see on Franky's forearm in the spread at the end? I didn't think he had any flesh left there…
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With all respect to your etymology of names here, it really means nothing on what I commented. The original name is katakanized as "Ro-Ra" which allows following romanizations: Rora, Rola, Lora, Lola. And next when you consider that you can also switch o with au you have the options Raura, Raula, Laura and Laula. So yes, among others both Lola and Laura are valid romanizations based on the Katakana. Which you prefer is up to you.
The explanations you´ve just posted are good background infos in order to make you decide your own favorite but they don´t have much to do with proper romanizations based on the original spelling.
Pure Fascism from your part.
First the name is Lola but is readed Lora, you can choose if you want to read as Lora of Lola, remember that is a Japanase character.
But saying that Lola and Laura are the same thing only because you read "L-o-r-a" when you see "Laura" is just an insult to the reality, Laura and Lola are different female names.
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Apart from the awesome color spread and the generic bad ass spread at the end of the chapter, that sure was about the worst chapter this year. Nami is more worthless than ever, and, although I liked Absalom and his fight with Sanji alot, he was even more worthless than Nami. The only highlight was him shooting Lola though, as Lola in terms of being an extremely annoying and worthless character is worse than Vivi.
But I guess a single bad chapter so far in this arc can be considered a pretty awesome record, and at least there was some Perona and Oz.
Sorry for some light flaming I guess, but I was kinda looking forward to this. ;(
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hey i dont know if anybody mention it yet but on page 15 panel 5 the old zombie. i think he is the judge from water seven which sentence tom to jail.
ps. sorry for my bad english :sad:
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Yeah, I thought about it, they look really the same :
Same face, same hat and same expression…
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Actually, you just made me think of something. Hildon is kind of a scout for the Thriller Bark crew, isn't he? Well, wouldn't he see Perona trying to escape then?
Now, I don't know where that would lead to, but it does open some possibilites.
…....did you just take my post with any slight seriousness?
And Carter, your comment about will probably go over everyone's head, but you're probably aware of that...
Pure Fascism from your part.
First the name is Lola but is readed Lora, you can choose if you want to read as Lora of Lola, remember that is a Japanase character.
But saying that Lola and Laura are the same thing only because you read "L-o-r-a" when you see "Laura" is just an insult to the reality, Laura and Lola are different female names.
Oh God, make it stop.
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@Cyringohn:
Don't ever recall Usopp saying he doesn't hit women. In fact, he willingly battled against Miss Merry Christmas. Now you're just making up shit.
He doesn't have to say it, just look at his acts. Why the hell didn't he blast the shit out of her with one of his explosive stars instead of scaring her into fainting? Surely it'd have been more efficient.
if you ask me, Perona suffers from the same unoriginal design disease as the Buster Call admirals
She doesn't have beady eyes and doesn't look grim, Perona chan is not generic!
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Calling Perona generic is like calling the Titanic unsinkable.
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@IT'S:
Calling Perona generic is like calling the Titanic unsinkable.
I don't think you quite understand what they're getting at…...
I would explain, but that would ruin the humor of it all.
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Pure Fascism from your part.
Careful with that language please.
First the name is Lola but is readed Lora, you can choose if you want to read as Lora of Lola, remember that is a Japanase character.
But saying that Lola and Laura are the same thing only because you read "L-o-r-a" when you see "Laura" is just an insult to the reality, Laura and Lola are different female names.
I understand what you are trying to say, but I guess you´re missing my point. I never questioned that Lola and Laura are two totally different names, what I was saying is that the Katakana allows two different romanizations that´s all. What you and I say doesn´t contradict each other.
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@Cap'n:
if you ask me, Verona suffers from the same unoriginal design disease as the Buster Call admirals
Fixed.
I'm personally still wondering where ussop pulled that giant wooden pole out from.
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I still don't see the SHs taking OwhateverZ down. I guess it's round two, which may make him break a sweat (as much as a zombie can! xD), but that'll be it. He's a freaking unstoppable demon tyrant of some nortern legends. If he's to go down, it should be due to Moria calling the shadows back. And I hope Luffy has to go berserk-mode during that fight. It wouldn't be right for a Shichibukai be taken down Buggy-style.
On other news, the part with Brook being told to get out of the way was way too satisfying. xD
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Come on… This is the Nami's we've grown to know, she is the kind who sends others to do her work first and fights when no one else is there to do so, even then her basic instincts is to run first. Sure she has learnt to fight on her own since she got her weather weapon and does so whenever she has no other option... But even in EL there are examples of her trying to avoid the danger. The only thing you can say is that she has a line she will not cross and an example is in this latest chapter.
It seems a lot of people see Nami differently to how she acts. Is it the fanboyism clouding their judgement? Or is everyone ignoring her bad points now? :wassat:
I've really got to say that you are giving nami a bum rap. Sure she's selfish and prioritizes self preservation more than the average shounen hero, but there are also many examples of her risking life and limb for the sake of the other strawhats.
For example:
-she attacked buggy's pirates rather than killing luffy
-she defended the incapacitated usopp and sanji against the fat brothers in skypiea
-she turned against Enel on the Maxim despite knowing that meant near certain death
-she stood against he entire might of the WG to save Robin.
-she attacked a CP9 agent that she knew had already defeated sanji.Sure, nami runs when she feels that she has no chance of victory and is willing to let the others monopolize the big fights, but that does not make her any kind of turn coat coward like Perona is turning out to be.
Nami's still willing to fight a losing battle for the sake of her nakama. Doesn't that give her at least a a semblance of credibility as a strawhat crewmember?
He doesn't have to say it, just look at his acts. Why the hell didn't he blast the shit out of her with one of his explosive stars instead of scaring her into fainting? Surely it'd have been more efficient.
We're discussed this before, but you know that beating the shit out of Perona would have led to waves of angry letters from the japanese fanbase calling Usopp a sadistic bastard who should be righteously smited for beating a woman. Good guys don't hit pretty girls in this genre. You're gonna have to get used to that.
Besides, isn't traumatizing her to the point of wetting her self at the mere thought of Usopp good enough? If she thought she had a chance against him, she probably would rejoin the battle. As it is, Perona's running away with her tail between her legs. Isn't that victory enough?
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She doesn't have beady eyes and doesn't look grim, Perona chan is not generic!
She's like a Rock Lee sexy jutsu gone bad.
I still don't see the SHs taking OwhateverZ down. I guess it's round two, which may make him break a sweat (as much as a zombie can! xD), but that'll be it. He's a freaking unstoppable demon tyrant of some nortern legends
Don't underestimate the strength of the nakama.
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but that does not make her any kind of turn coat coward like Perona is turning out to be.
Oh please. Everyone goes on about her turning her back on her crewmates, but if you read the damn chapter you should figure out what ought to be going on here.
Look at the information package that shows up right after she wakes up:
A) OwhateverZ took down all of the general zombies.
B) OwhateverZ is wrecking TB right in front of her eyes.
C) OwhateverZ punches out several of her underlings.
D) OwhateverZ trampled Hogback (and obviously they don't know that it was unintentional).
E) OwhateverZ is looking for a "girl" - as he says it.So, counting all this together, I presume she's thinking that OwhateverZ is rebelling. That Moria has no power to hold him in check. Thus, OwhateverZ, after taking out Hogback, is now after her (as OwhateverZ said it!). She thinks they're enemies now. As she said it, OwhateverZ and SHs are tearing TB down. As she sees it, their whole battle potential is taken out, Moria may be out, and whole ship is going down. Running away while there's a chance hardly seems like a bad idea.
Now stop calling Perona-chan a turncoat! This is totally different! >:(
Edited for grammars and adding the second last two sentences to it. Made a typo and such due to writing this while undergoing furious fanboy orgasms. >:O
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@IT'S:
Calling Perona generic is like calling the Titanic unsinkable.
She's not generic really.
Just not really different at all from other minor villains to warrant this "Perona will JOIN!!!" movement.
and I still have no idea why she is the series' sex symbol. I mean I don't think we even had this problem with Conis a Vivi, but we have degenerates with porn of her in their avatars and declaring her their lover etc.
It's really quite annoying. Especially considering she's really nothing special. Personality or design wise.
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I still don't see the SHs taking OwhateverZ down. I guess it's round two, which may make him break a sweat (as much as a zombie can! xD), but that'll be it. He's a freaking unstoppable demon tyrant of some nortern legends. If he's to go down, it should be due to Moria calling the shadows back. And I hope Luffy has to go berserk-mode during that fight. It wouldn't be right for a Shichibukai be taken down Buggy-style.
Yeah, I still don´t see them taking Odz down for sure. Just as they say, that he shouldn´t underestimate his superfriends they shouldn´t do the same vice versa. It´s not like the Strawhats are different from Luffy in terms of standing up after a beat down. Besides, even if he would have the spirit of a loser implanted he would still stand up again and again because he´s a zombie. So I agree that if they can do anything then it´s making him break a sweat but they shouldn´t be able to beat him down.
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Y Besides, even if he would have the spirit of a loser implanted he would still stand up again and again because he´s a zombie.
Wouldn't that work the other way too? Even if he has an extremely strong spirit, since he's a zombie, he'd be purified if exposed to large amounts of salt or fire.