@black-leg-jex yeah the Queen one is the big talking point, but info (allegedly) from a bunch of other cards is floating around as well. The wiki seems to have the full list of new EX characters somehow, so the new sets have to be floating around somewhere.
Vivre Card: One Piece Visual Dictionary
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Since Brazil is locked out of Twitter, I can only get the rehashed info from other boards.
So, Queen has a 36yo child that he abandoned at 10. Fanbase is going wild saying it's Franky, while some theorize it's Weevil.
I would need to check on Franky's flashback to see if the timeline fits, but there's definitely a lot of similarities - theme-wise - going for it.
Weevil could also work, with the striking visual similarities. It would be easy to explain it (he could be the one in MADS responsible for creating Weevil, and fooled Bucking into thinking he was made with hers+Newgate genetic material instead of hers+Queen).
I definitely prefer the Weevil theory, simply because having Queen be Franky's father and they never even interacting or having this being brought up during the story would just add to the pile of terribly executed stuff Wano has going for it. Meanwhile Weevil being the his son could still be used in some way, even if just for a gag (also it would be cool if Weevil's strength ended being thanks to his mother intead of Newgate).
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@access-timeco said in Vivre Card: One Piece Visual Dictionary:
Since Brazil is locked out of Twitter, I can only get the rehashed info from other boards.
So, Queen has a 36yo child that he abandoned at 10. Fanbase is going wild saying it's Franky, while some theorize it's Weevil.
I would need to check on Franky's flashback to see if the timeline fits, but there's definitely a lot of similarities - theme-wise - going for it.
Weevil could also work, with the striking visual similarities. It would be easy to explain it (he could be the one in MADS responsible for creating Weevil, and fooled Bucking into thinking he was made with hers+Newgate genetic material instead of hers+Queen).
I definitely prefer the Weevil theory, simply because having Queen be Franky's father and they never even interacting or having this being brought up during the story would just add to the pile of terribly executed stuff Wano has going for it. Meanwhile Weevil being the his son could still be used in some way, even if just for a gag (also it would be cool if Weevil's strength ended being thanks to his mother intead of Newgate).
Yeah, Oden meeting Franky 26 years ago mentions he was just abandoned by pirates.
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The timeline definitely fits with Franky. My only issue is that Queen and Franky look nothing alike. The only similarity between the two are a science/mech association and that they like to dance.
It does also make it weird that Oda wouldn't have them interact at all. Weavil would make more sense, he looks like Queen. The only issue with Weevil is that he's one year too young.
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@black-leg-jex said in Vivre Card: One Piece Visual Dictionary:
The timeline definitely fits with Franky. My only issue is that Queen and Franky look nothing alike. The only similarity between the two are a science/mech association and that they like to dance.
It does also make it weird that Oda wouldn't have them interact at all. Weavil would make more sense, he looks like Queen. The only issue with Weevil is that he's one year too young.
Um, how could Queen have been a pirate at sea with his own ship if he was working as a scientist in the lab in MADS?
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@electricmastro said in Vivre Card: One Piece Visual Dictionary:
@black-leg-jex said in Vivre Card: One Piece Visual Dictionary:
The timeline definitely fits with Franky. My only issue is that Queen and Franky look nothing alike. The only similarity between the two are a science/mech association and that they like to dance.
It does also make it weird that Oda wouldn't have them interact at all. Weavil would make more sense, he looks like Queen. The only issue with Weevil is that he's one year too young.
Um, how could Queen have been a pirate at sea with his own ship if he was working as a scientist in the lab in MADS?
Franky mentiones he was abandoned by pirates and he hates them. Queen joined Kaidou as soon as he abandoned his child. It may be that Franky was abandoned because Queen joined Kaidou, hence the wording.
I don't like the development at all but it fits. Weevil is 35, not 36, and while this may seem minor... when you leave hidden clues in ages and cards, you cross your t-s.
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This gallery has all the actual card pictures I've seen so far. Hopefully the full set will be out by tomorrow morning.
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BIG NEWS!!!
Kaido's animal is... DRAGON! Mihawk's is... HAWK! Yamato... WOLF!And going by Mihawk's card, it seems Buggy's crew now will have its own color like the other Emperors (magenta? I don't know, I am very basic about color names).
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Given how ages work, Weevil could still be 35 and be born 36 years ago. There's more connecting Weevil to Queen than Franky.
Either way it's not confirmed unless Oda says it
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To be fair, current Queen looks like Weevil, but the young one from MADS times looked a lot more like Franky,
I think both cases could work with a few tweaks here and there, and connections could be made for both.Except if it is Franky, Oda would have majorly dropped (another) ball in Wano, not to mention one very particular to Franky himself (and it's not like Franky got many character centric moments so Oda could have the luxury of cutting something like this). Meanwhile, if it's Weevil, there's no harm in any way and this could be incorporated later into the story.
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@black-leg-jex said in Vivre Card: One Piece Visual Dictionary:
Are you refering to all the Queen info that came out? But I agree, there's a lot of misinfo that gets spread around thanks to Artut filling in blanks with assumptions that people take as fact.
Artur’s Original Sin is actually that he claimed Oda personally oversees the Vivre Cards which the entire fandom has taken as fact (and subsequently take the Vivre Cards as fact).
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Oda having no connection with it, loosely overseeing it or directly checking every line written on it is irrelevant (according to Greg, it's more the second btw. He is part of it, but just to identify major mistakes or provide some new trivia). The problem is when you have a ton of people who simply can't understand the difference between flavor text from actual statements. Or how a side databook that is meant to mostly summarize already known things is not meant to offer insight and new understanding of previous events.
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I already like him, but to find out his name might be spelled as Guernika??? He truly was a legend
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It looks like Vivi's colour has been updated from white & gold to Platinum, which makes more sense (unless I missed this update in a previous card).
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@Cockycent said in Vivre Card: One Piece Visual Dictionary:
I already like him, but to find out his name might be spelled as Guernika??? He truly was a legend
The Nika we didn't deserve.
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@access-timeco said in Vivre Card: One Piece Visual Dictionary:
To be fair, current Queen looks like Weevil, but the young one from MADS times looked a lot more like Franky,
I think both cases could work with a few tweaks here and there, and connections could be made for both.Except if it is Franky, Oda would have majorly dropped (another) ball in Wano, not to mention one very particular to Franky himself (and it's not like Franky got many character centric moments so Oda could have the luxury of cutting something like this). Meanwhile, if it's Weevil, there's no harm in any way and this could be incorporated later into the story.
Yeah Oda would do it... Like the amazing Zoro family backstory... Told in SBS mostly
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Queen potentially being Franky’s father is something that totally should be in the main story or not happen at all. Franky knew his parents, are you telling me he never came accross info on the Beasts Pirates in the weeks before the raid or never put 1 + 1 together?
Oh, well, at least now we have more data for my MADS timeline. This will potentially solve my question to if Vegapunk tortured Kaido and King or if he arrived in Punk Hazard after their escape. I’ll put it together when I come home.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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@black-leg-jex That's because Smoker will take the 'white' color among the Straw Hats...
Luffy, Zoro, Nami, Usopp, Sanji, Chopper, Robin, Franky, Brook, Jimbei, Carrot, Vivi, Smoker
"ONE PIECE, IT EXISTS" - The Great Pirate Edward Newgate
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@Deicide Could've also come up on Egghead when Vegapunk met Franky; like he could've recognized the familial connection somehow. I would've liked to see more Franky / Vegapunk interactions in general.
Luffy, Zoro, Nami, Usopp, Sanji, Chopper, Robin, Franky, Brook, Jimbei, Carrot, Vivi, Smoker
"ONE PIECE, IT EXISTS" - The Great Pirate Edward Newgate
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@StrawHatJedi said in Vivre Card: One Piece Visual Dictionary:
@Deicide Could've also come up on Egghead when Vegapunk met Franky; like he could've recognized the familial connection somehow. I would've liked to see more Franky / Vegapunk interactions in general.
Good point, this definitely ruins the theory of the child being Franky.
Queen's (real name Scien, btw) timeline states he left MADS, abandoned his child and joined the Beast Pirates all in the same year (when his child was already 10yo).
If the child was Franky, there would be no chance he and Vegapunk wouldn't know (and recognize) each other already. -
I don't think it's set in stone that Queen is Franky's father, though the timeline is indeed a perfect match. Weevil would also make a lot of sense even if he's '35 years old'. Some dates and ages may be slightly off; Vegapunk recently stated that it has been 25 years since Roger was executed which moves the timeline forward another year or suggests that the on-panel events of the story both pre and post timeskip accounts for roughly one year of time passing. Roger was originally said to have died 22 years before the story began and Luffy set sail. Adding the 2 year time skip + 1 year of events happening on panel and between panels / story arcs, gives us 25 years since the Great Age of Piracy began.
The biggest issues for me with Queen being Franky's father are that, assuming Franky spent any time at all with his father (Queen / Scien), he should recognize Vegapunk, and he should have also known the name 'Vinsmoke'. Franky and Sanji's fathers being research partners 20 odd years ago would also be a pretty big coincidence. The only way around this is if Franky didn't actually grow up with Queen, but was picked up and then abandoned by him again on route to the New World.
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Here's my updated MADS timeline. I may have forgotten something as I archived the original in my Twitter account, which I for now can't access due to Brazil shenanigans:
- -65: Vegapunk's birth
- -56: Scien's birth
Vinsmoke Judge's birth - -55: Caesar Clown's birth
- -47: Alber's birth
- -39: Scien was mass-producing weapons while already in MADS.
- -38: God Valley incident
- -36: Scien's child's birth
Franky's birth - -35: Edward Weevil's birth (clone?)
- -34: Alber (13yo) is captured and sent to Punk Hazard
Eventually Kaido escapes and frees Alber, naming him "King" - -33: Kaido is forming the Beasts Pirates
Kaido invites Queen to join him - -29: Scien leaves MADS
- -28: Higurashi meets Kaido to propose Wano's takeover
- -26: WG takes MADS' team into custody
Scien abandons his child and joins the Beasts Pirates, becoming "Queen"
Franky is abandoned by his parents
Vegapunk meets Clover and refuses his offer - -24: Roger's death
Reiju's birth - -22: Ohara Incident
Vegapunk meets Dragon in Ohara - -21: Sanji's birth
- -4: Punk Hazard is destroyed
This proves Vegapunk was not directly involved with torturing/researching on King and Kaido, he probably just got access to previously extracted preserved tissue.
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If he is indeed Franky's father, I'm not that worried about it not being revealed on Wano or in the manga itself yet because I think there's a decent chance Queen somehow joins up with Judge and Caesar as part of Neo MADS who are bound to pop up again in the future. Not like the Vinsmoke story had closure, so I'm sure they'll show up again.
The Vivre Card doesn't actually state it's Franky, so I think this is a little different from Oda outright revealing pivotal info in SBS or a databook. For most casual and younger readers this would be considered a very subtle hint rather than outright confirmation. It's obvious to those of us who have been reading OP very closely for decades and keeping track of the timeline, but Oda writes these 'hints' in a way that casual or younger readers can feel smart for having put the clues together when it's eventually fully revealed in the manga itself.
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Yeah, I don't think Franky is Queen's son, despite the timelines matching.
I'm on the Weevil side, but Weevil is indeed described as being similar in strength to a young Newgate so I'm guessing he really is an experiment made in MADS.
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Vivi's Vivre Card says she sleeps 12 hours a day, from 10:00 PM to 10:00 AM.
Just a fun trivia.
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FYI, I posted the translations of most of the Vivre Cards I could find a good scan of in my Discord Server.
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@onepiecefeats just post new card here then
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Next Vivre card packs!!
Twitter: https://twitter.com/Mugiwara_23
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With Egghead over now we get the Vegapunk pack!
But forget that, because I imagine the Kuzan pack will have cards for all the SWORD members and that's more important.
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Interesting. Looks like a focus on the cutaway sequence rather than the Buster Call fleet/Five Elders as a counterpart to the obvious Vegapunk/Egghead pack.
Unfortunately, that means we might be waiting a while for cards from the second half of Egghead. The previous New Starter Set got four follow-up booster packs, then the databook went silent for more than two years before the current set of releases started. These ones just announced will make four boosters following New Starter Set vol 2, and possibly the end of this run, for a similarly long hiatus.
What I'm saying is no Five Elders' cards until probably 2026, following another starter set of Strawhats in their Elbaf outfits.
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@King-Cannon said in Vivre Card: One Piece Visual Dictionary:
Vivi's Vivre Card says she sleeps 12 hours a day, from 10:00 PM to 10:00 AM.
Just a fun trivia.
With all the worrying and risks she took for her country, she still manages t sleep that long?
good for her.
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Buggy's Vivre Card points out the first drafts of the Cross Guild poster included more characters and teases the possibility of the group growing:
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@access-timeco That's no doubt Perona.
I've been expecting her to bring Moria do Cross Guild since we learned she had rescued him in Hachinosu, so this became even more likely.
In the left draft, you can clearly see Buggy on top, Perona on lower right, Mihawk on lower center, then what appears to be two characters on lower left. In that corner, the head on botton seems more like Crocodile's, but it's really hard to identify who the other character is. It has some Moria proportions (long neck? Is that a smile?), but it doesn't have enough features to even be sure if it's indeed a head or something else.
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Forget Queen's kid and the colour of Aramaki's sword, Perona joining Cross Guild is a Vivre Card conspiracy I can get behind.
And if she's maybe going to bring a rescued Moria into it, perhaps that reveals Cross Guild's true purpose of collecting as many former Strawhat enemies as possible to bring into the endgame, at least those who haven't already found a place in other factions.
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Yeah, Cross Guild is shapping up to be the faction for every non-affiliated Straw Hat friend or foe.
Every fan favorite or semi-story relevant character thats not officialy friends with Luffy or a Marine will join.Besides being a bit of fan service I guess it does help Oda tie up a bunch of loose strings easily.
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@access-timeco said in Vivre Card: One Piece Visual Dictionary:
Buggy's Vivre Card points out the first drafts of the Cross Guild poster included more characters and teases the possibility of the group growing:
One has Perona's eyes, so maybe her.Isn't that Weevil in the bottom left? I thought it was a Samurai helmet but then I realised it was Whitebeard's mustache. But it can't be him so it has to be Weevil instead.
Moriah joining Cross Guild is very obvious and I think you can see his smile behind Persona, so I think the two of them are on the bottom right. Weevil is more surprising. Maybe that's his end game or maybe Oda changed his mind on Weevil's story.
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That's possible, though I hope they do 2 extra sets this time. There's enough material from the second half of Egghead; The Five Elders, Garling (if he's not in the cutaway pack), Bonney & Kuma's flashback, etc. I could see one for the Elders, one for Bonney & Kuma; Saturn and Kuma on opposing covers could make sense.
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Guarantee no bounties will be shown with the Blackbeards.
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Completely irrelevant, but as I was wondering why some trivia are given to some characters and not to others, I noticed there is a pattern regarding the info on the "Profile" box (for non-SH only):
- the character's first card will only have the basic info (gender, ship, birthday, age, height, zodiac sign, blood type, birth place, favorite food, bounty, voice actor)
- the second card adds: least favorite food, hobby, animal,
- the third card adds: flower, profession if not ___, favorite season/island.
Ace, Sabo and Lucci were the only exceptions. Probably because they got their 2nd card before the pattern was decided (they were the only non-SH that got 2 cards before the boosters) .
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@StrawHatJedi said in Vivre Card: One Piece Visual Dictionary:
@black-leg-jex That's because Smoker will take the 'white' color among the Straw Hats...
Do you honestly believe this or are you joking?
Honestly with how every good marine has been given time to shine except smoker and how if he joined the straw hats he would be a perfect foil for Aokiji in the Black Beard Pirates, I honestly wouldn’t be surprised anymore, I used to think it was ridiculous I’m not so sure anymore
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@black-leg-jex said in Vivre Card: One Piece Visual Dictionary:
Isn't that Weevil in the bottom left? I thought it was a Samurai helmet but then I realised it was Whitebeard's mustache. But it can't be him so it has to be Weevil instead.
Moriah joining Cross Guild is very obvious and I think you can see his smile behind Persona, so I think the two of them are on the bottom right. Weevil is more surprising. Maybe that's his end game or maybe Oda changed his mind on Weevil's story.Oh, I can see what you think is the mustache! However, I can't discern any other features.
But indeed, Weevil joining Cross Guild is another possibility and it fits with ex-Warlords uniting under Buggy's banner.
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Neo Mads too look like they gonna join Cross Guild
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@Shiebs I'm completely serious (about Smoker joining; crew color, idk). I've been on the 'Smoker will be a Straw Hat' agenda since pre-TS lol
Luffy, Zoro, Nami, Usopp, Sanji, Chopper, Robin, Franky, Brook, Jimbei, Carrot, Vivi, Smoker
"ONE PIECE, IT EXISTS" - The Great Pirate Edward Newgate
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@StrawHatJedi said in Vivre Card: One Piece Visual Dictionary:
@Shiebs I'm completely serious (about Smoker joining; crew color, idk). I've been on the 'Smoker will be a Straw Hat' agenda since pre-TS lol
Originally I thought that was crazy but I wouldn’t be surprised anymore, especially with Aokiji joining the Black Beard Pirates and Smoker being the only good marine to not get any spotlight and Koby completely eclipsing him as Luffy’s Marine rival
In short, I’m starting to agree with you
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Even though it's not confirmed, I do believe Franky is Queen's son. Weevil being Queen's son imo feels like massive cope.
Oda will most likely reveal it in a future SBS.
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@DarkWitch said in Vivre Card: One Piece Visual Dictionary:
Even though it's not confirmed, I do believe Franky is Queen's son. Weevil being Queen's son imo feels like massive cope.
Oda will most likely reveal it in a future SBS.
Feels a little too convenient for them to be related and even more odd since Queen was a scientist during his time with MADS and not a pirate.
