The Opening theme is a nice song, I'm looking forward to seeing how the animation looks.
God, those flashbacks look gorgeous. I hope we get to see them in full and not just as miniature screens.
Dragonball Discussion Kai: Broly but this time it's not Broly
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Demon world in dragon ball Daima and hopefully a Bleach hell arc sometime this decade
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The animation looks SO good. It all being done way in advance is amazing and should happen more often.
Knowing this is the last thing Toriyama worked on... no matter how silly, bad or good it ends up being, it's going to be a little bit special.
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Cannot wait for the show to air.
The trailer is gorgeous, I just know Daima will be good. Kid Goku is back, its almost like GT, but with more love put into it? -
The series was produced specifically so that it would be as on-model as possible. I'm not a fan of that mentality, but I am hoping that later episodes go more wild with the drawings and animation to up the intensity beyond just having everything look like Nakatsuru corrected it.
The number of big name animators working on this series is insane.
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Still not thrilled about the premise, but this pretty much has to be seen since it was the last thing Toriyama worked on. Also, it's supposedly going to run for only 20 episodes, which is much preferable to it being dragged out for 100+ episodes like Super.
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It's probably a two cour anime, and they're working on the final fight right now, so I really wouldn't be surprised if it's upwards of 26 episodes. Back in April there was apparently already sixteen episodes finished.
Since there was a series that Toriyama was going to be heavily involved with I'm not surprised that it's only two cours.
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@JulieYBM said in Dragonball Discussion Kai: Broly but this time it's not Broly:
The series was produced specifically so that it would be as on-model as possible. I'm not a fan of that mentality, but I am hoping that later episodes go more wild with the drawings and animation to up the intensity beyond just having everything look like Nakatsuru corrected it.
The number of big name animators working on this series is insane.
This is only possible because this is a short series done for months. I bet if it was like say, Wonderful Precure like weekly series, the animation would be terrible.
But then again I wish this became standard in the industry. Overworking animators so the animation can look pretty in a cruel schedule is awful. Daima for the win for breaking the trend.
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I love the idea for the series. GT went off the rails, but I agree with the justification for it. Super didn't work well for me (at least up to the tournament stuff) because raising the stakes in DB, from a storytelling perspective, has in my opinion brought increasingly diminishing returns. I'm more interested in seeing these characters, especially Vegeta, in an actual adventure having to grit and grind. I hope it works.
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The problem with Super is that it lacked time for the staff to actually be engaged with and properly tell their stories. When you have less than five episodes done before the first one airs and basically zero time to catch up before needing to produce a story, you're going to wind up in this position where nobody is able to actually put a story together as effectively as they could with more time. Toei Animation assigned skilled series directors to the series and consistently fucked them over by giving them no time to actually oversee the creation of a high-quality project.
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Filler DBZ can be quite brutal. So did the inhabitants of all the other planets which Boo destroyed get revived in empty space, without their planets restored at all?
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@ARTEMlS said in Dragonball Discussion Kai: Broly but this time it's not Broly:
Filler DBZ can be quite brutal. So did the inhabitants of all the other planets which Boo destroyed get revived in empty space, without their planets restored at all?
The dragons can be real "to the letter literal" genies when they want to be. Like when they revived everyone on Namek EXCEPT the people Vegeta killed because it made an arbitrary distinction that he wasn't under Frieza at the time. (But didn't revive Nappa even though Vegeta WAS working for him then.)
On the other hand sometimes they go "You want Krillin brought back to life? Uh, do you want the pieces put back together first? And do you want him clothed?" Or "I can't summon Goku to that place, it would kill him!"
The dragon makes weird distinctions with Vegeta in general really. "I guess you count as a good person, you can be revived."
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@ARTEMlS said in Dragonball Discussion Kai: Broly but this time it's not Broly:
Filler DBZ can be quite brutal. So did the inhabitants of all the other planets which Boo destroyed get revived in empty space, without their planets restored at all?
One would think so considering they had to explain when they tried reviving Goku that moving him back to where Namek was would cause him to die being Namek no longer existed and therefore would not being able to breathe in the vacuum of space.
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The Dragon Balls get modified between arcs, anyway, so it's not like the rules are ever consistent.
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I see. So they are mystery balls.
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It's basically a case of "I need the Dragon Balls to not do this for plot reasons" and "I need the Dragon Balls to do this for plot reasons" when it comes to how Toriyama wrote the series. It definitely goes to show how much of the series—all of it—was written by the seat of his pants.
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@Time-Control-Magician said in Dragonball Discussion Kai: Broly but this time it's not Broly:
One would think so considering they had to explain when they tried reviving Goku that moving him back to where Namek was would cause him to die being Namek no longer existed and therefore would not being able to breathe in the vacuum of space.
I think it was King Kai that said that rather than any of the Dragons. Far as bringing Goku back went, Porunga first refused to do it on the grounds that their wish as stated would have yanked Goku's soul of his body since he was still alive and then because he didn't want to come straight back to Earth.
So Porunga, at any rate, wouldn't just wish somebody back to life in space but would warn you about the unintentional consequences of that wish. Well, unless you pissed him off somehow.
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@Ubiq said in Dragonball Discussion Kai: Broly but this time it's not Broly:
@Time-Control-Magician said in Dragonball Discussion Kai: Broly but this time it's not Broly:
One would think so considering they had to explain when they tried reviving Goku that moving him back to where Namek was would cause him to die being Namek no longer existed and therefore would not being able to breathe in the vacuum of space.
I think it was King Kai that said that rather than any of the Dragons. Far as bringing Goku back went, Porunga first refused to do it on the grounds that their wish as stated would have yanked Goku's soul of his body since he was still alive and then because he didn't want to come straight back to Earth.
So Porunga, at any rate, wouldn't just wish somebody back to life in space but would warn you about the unintentional consequences of that wish. Well, unless you pissed him off somehow.
Well shit.
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Crunchyroll confirmed that they will be streaming Daima
https://www.crunchyroll.com/news/announcements/2024/9/12/dragon-ball-daima-crunchyroll-october-11
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No surprise, but I'm glad that there's no weird delay like there was with Dragon Ball Super. I'm definitely looking forward to seeing how the story unfolds and if the directing is more interesting than what we've seen in the trailers.
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Sorry I thought it was a new trailer
Crunchyroll had posted it recently and I couldn’t watch it at work, so I just posted it without knowing
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Bringing Stephanie Nadolny back as Goku after she’s barely done any voice acting in over a decade feels like the same sort of misguided nostalgia that led to very clearly old and profesionally retired sounding people doing the voices of Rogue and Wolverine.
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Stephanie sounds fine in the trailer in my opinion. I would've been fine with Colleen being DB era Goku as well. Since I thought she did a fine job with the Funimation dub of Curse of the Blood Rubies.
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God, that was bad. Like, Nadolny was never a successful actor with a lot of roles for a reason, so bringing her back—even when Clinkenbeard is not a great voice actress for boy roles—is honestly just really dumb. Instead of going with the actress with a lot more experience you're...literally going back to someone who hasn't acted in fifteen years and even then only did one real role for ten years?
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The last thing I know that Stephanie did before Daima was few episodes of OK KO during the first season before she got replaced. Since she was the original voice of KO.
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K.O. is her only voice credit in the past 15 years: https://www.behindthevoiceactors.com/Stephanie-Nadolny/
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I dunno, that just sounds like dub kid Goku to me. The Funi dub never really had anyone else, right? I was never a fan of it but that's just... the voice they had for Goku.
Still better than Sean Schemmel who even after playing the role for 25 years and hundreds of episodes and games, I still don't like as Goku. (I'm long since used to him being Goku, and give credit where it's due, he goes all out for the screams, but he's just never ever captured the playful eternally young-at-heart happy side of Goku)
The real answer is they should just get MasakoX to be young Goku but Japan would throw a fit.
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@Robby said in Dragonball Discussion Kai: Broly but this time it's not Broly:
I dunno, that just sounds like dub kid Goku to me. The Funi dub never really had anyone else, right? I was never a fan of it but that's just... the voice they had for Goku.
Colleen Clinkenbeard took over the voice of kid Gohan in 2010, and at the same time took over the role as kid Goku to keep that tradition alive. Because Kid Goku is barely in anything (unlike Gohan who was obviously a main character in DBZK and is a mainstay in every videogame), this usually amounted to snippets of dialogue every decade and a half.
The problem with Clinkenbeard is that despite being a perfectly fine VA, voicing Luffy for almost 2 decades has absolutely ravaged her voice. So where in 2010 she was able to do a good child voice for Gohan, she now has the same problem as the person she replaced: she sounds like a chain smoker on helium. Since she has publically talked about how she’s not able to reach certain registers anymore for child voices, it wouldn’t surprise me if she herself bowed out of the role (she still voices Kid Goku in Sparking Zero, but “Mini Goku” is left undubbed). And from Crunchyroll’s perspective, they probably don’t want Luffy and Goku to sound almost the exact same time (a luxury problem now that One Piece is significantly more popular than it was 15 years ago). But I would’ve much preferred they got someone brand new rather than bring back the krusty the clown laugh.
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@Kaiolino said in Dragonball Discussion Kai: Broly but this time it's not Broly:
Colleen Clinkenbeard took over the voice of kid Gohan in 2010,
Ah so technically they switched it out, but its entirely a technicality because OG and GT were both dubbed by then and Kid Goku hasn't been in anything else.
Makes sense.
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Nadolny is the third actress to voice young Gokuu for FUNimation. Saffron Henderson and Ceyli Delgadillo voiced Gokuu as a child first for them.
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The weird thing is, I'm fine with Colleen voicing Gohan in Kai (since he's not AS predominant as adult Goku), it's just when I hear her voice used for kid Goku that it completely throws me off, it's too close to Luffy (voice AND being the main protagonist). Yes I know it makes no sense.
Interestingly enough Colleen also voiced #18 in the Kai dub but for everything else after (games, movies, Super), they got back her previous voice actress.
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@MetaMario said in Dragonball Discussion Kai: Broly but this time it's not Broly:
Yes I know it makes no sense.
Makes sense, it's a dissonance. I don't know if any art theorist ever wrote about voice actors ever becoming so enfranchised with a role that hearing them in another role becomes uncanny. Me thinks it can be applied either to a micro or macro scale (H. Jon Benjamin, Patrick Warburton and Norm Macdonald are probably exceptions as to they way they approach VA).
I to this day can't watch some series in pt due to some VA connections, exemple TOH's Eda has the same VA as Totally Spies' Clover and still sound the same, hearing it caused a dissonance within me.
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@pariston_hill You know, that's a good way to put it. I've heard her in other roles, she has range (ex. Erza from Fairy Tail) but the high-pitched fun shonen mc voice she used has always been reserved for Luffy in my head.
If they went to the trouble of redubbing the OG Dragon Ball series I think my brain would get some psychic damage...
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Ryota Suzuki (Ryusei on Dr. Stone) will be voicing Yamcha on Daima.
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Glad to see a new Yamcha has been selected!
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Doc Harris, the narrator of the Ocean dub of Dragon Ball Z have passed away.
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The first Daima episode was as bad as anyone who isn’t a full Toriyama loyalist could’ve expected. I don’t care the animation is good when they’re wasting it on another Goku vs. Vegeta sparring match or magic Pilaf spending the first 10 (!) minutes of the show literally watching scenes of the Buu saga.
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I thought it was probably the best Dragon Ball writing in forever, mostly because it felt like it did a great job setting up and establishing who the new characters are and what their motivations are. Even thought Degesu seems to be a sycophant, his facial expressions and his desire for at least one of the wishes makes me wonder if he isn't plotting to stab Gomah in the back. Meanwhile, Gomah is sneaky and cynical, which really helps charactierize him. He's an opportunist, but I'm curious if he won't wind up becoming more powerful by the end of the series. I actually get the sense that Gomah will make it out of Daima alive, while Degesu and Dr. Arinsu are the ones who ultimately fall.
There's also some interesting new lore dropped that can be mined for good character work. I'm curious how much influence on the plot Kakihara, Yashima and Komaki had while working with Toriyama. I'm hoping they got to include their own ideas to really make this more than the usual Toriyama slop of "a little bit of fun dialogue up front and action all in the back with no real character growth."
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I enjoyed the first episode of Daima. I didn't mind the recap of the Buu saga, it was cool to see the Buu saga events in modern animation. The explanation about Kaioshin and Kibito being split makes sense to me.
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The explanation makes sense but it contradicts what they said in Super (that they used the Namekian Dragon Balls to split up) so I'm curious if the show will both addressing that or not by the end of it.
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Typically you don’t address plot holes.
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So basically the show is the GT plot. I dont expect to be great but it could an easy way to pass time. Which I think is fine with how massive the franchise has become.
A loooot of recap time in this episode. I didnt mind having some but it went for too long. Hopefully its just an episode 1 thing.
I find the idea for the namek origin interesting enough. Reminds me Goku revealed as a saiyen. And I liked the humour.
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I really want to see more of the good old Dragon Ball humor. Hopefully at least one of the wishes gets completely wasted. I'd so love it if the Namekian just wishes for a toothbrush, as well as a reserve one, so that he wastes the remaining two wishes completely.
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Episode #1 was already really funny. I was happy not to have any of the usual sexual harrassment and mistreatment of the female characters so far, too. I hope that having Kakihara Yuuko as the head writer and Komaki Aya as the series director led to those kind of ideas being shot down.
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