Chapter 1124: Close Friend
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Yeah, Zoro's callousness doesn't get better with Stephen's translation. Congrats to all Zoro fans who just want him to be the edgiest of all edges.
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@Goukan said in Chapter 1124: Close Friend:
Yeah, Zoro's callousness doesn't get better with Stephen's translation. Congrats to all Zoro fans who just want him to be the edgiest of all edges.
And this is coming from someone who went into a rage over an old man he barely knew after Orochi ordered to shoot at him.
It might make Zoro look worse actually, because it gives the impression he assumes Luffy is too emotionally fragile, even though he knows he was able to get over Ace’s death after having his moment to mourn.
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Morganz is such a diva, I loved how non-chalantly he has defied Black Beard and already claims this era his own.
Borsalino's moment is coming a bit late in time, but this exchange with Sakazuki is gold television. Saw someone from the brazilian fandom calling him Jair Borsalino which is quite funny, lol
Zoro being grief's inspector is always a bit strange to me.
Hope we get Elbaf's reveal soon, I believe we are due to a few showing of people around the world - I particularly think Boa's suppose to appear again soon.
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Feel like for the last 6 chapters or so my opinion has been alternating between "lukewarm" and "absolutely love it" each week, this one I loved even though it was short. For starters, any chapter with Morgans in it, is already an 8/10 at least, but the highlight of the chapter was definitely Kizaru for me. I'm a huge sucker for tragic friendships (Noland/Kalgara is my favorite story in the whole manga) so that scene even made me tear up a little. Showing us a rare moment of Sakazuki's human side as well, I wonder if he was thinking about his fight with Kuzan and how he ended up sparing him or if there's another backstory we are yet to learn.
Good to see Luffy mourning Vegapunk, definitely would not have felt right if he didn't acknowledge that he failed. Seeing the giants cabin was really fun, I imagine that's gonna be a pain in the ass for Oda (and the anime staff later) in Elbaph, having to draw everything huge and then the regular sized straw hats next to it, bound to mess up the scale here and there (not that that's Oda's strong suit anyways).
No idea about the silhouette character (or the one in the cover story if that's important), but excited to see what's coming next.
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Good chapter.
I would love if Vivi partnered with Morgans in the future to lead the World Economic Times. That panel of them arguing over the truth worked wonders, it had me wishing she could become a co-editor just to see more of their dynamic.
The part with Kizaru was much needed, it's nice to have some insight into his mindset at last. With this I'll put my hand in the fire that he is indeed the person who gave Luffy instant food when everything seemed lost, buying a tiny extra chance for Bonney and Sentamarou to survive.
Speaking of, I appreciate that someone gave Sentamarou a way out. He stood his ground and had done nothing to deserve a gruesome death, I will be glad to hear about whatever he does in the future. Hopefully Kizaru's doing ; it could also have been the work of Stussy, but in this case I would expect to see her on the boat.Translation had its up and downs. The wording of Vivi and Morgan's argument felt convoluted compared to the natural angry flow of TCB; however, the part with Lilith leaves room to suggest that she also gave them the long version before what we hear, which makes the shocked Straw Hat faces feel more natural.
The mysterious final figure is something I absolutely can't get myself to care about, though. We have so little information that this farce of a cliffhanger feels like a quirk of Oda wanting to place silhouettes at all costs, rather than an actual element of storytelling. I would honestly have been fine with a couple more panels of partying and an "onwards to Elbaph" narrator box concluding the chapter.
Also a bad note, Zoro's heartless comment was especially bad. Delivering stoic one-liners is one thing, but sometimes stoic silent badass is an improvement. I'm with whoever wrote in the spoiler thread that he should rather have kept his mouth shut.
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@Seafarer33 said in Chapter 1124: Close Friend:
Good chapter.
I would love if Vivi partnered with Morgans in the future to lead the World Economic Times. That panel of them arguing over the truth worked wonders, it had me wishing she could become a co-editor just to see more of their dynamic.
The part with Kizaru was much needed, it's nice to have some insight into his mindset at last. With this I'll put my hand in the fire that he is indeed the person who gave Luffy instant food when everything seemed lost, buying a tiny extra chance for Bonney and Sentamarou to survive.
Speaking of, I appreciate that someone gave Sentamarou a way out. He stood his ground and had done nothing to deserve a gruesome death, I will be glad to hear about whatever he does in the future. Hopefully Kizaru's doing ; it could also have been the work of Stussy, but in this case I would expect to see her on the boat.Translation had its up and downs. The wording of Vivi and Morgan's argument felt convoluted compared to the natural angry flow of TCB; however, the part with Lilith leaves room to suggest that she also gave them the long version before what we hear, which makes the shocked Straw Hat faces feel more natural.
The mysterious final figure is something I absolutely can't get myself to care about, though. We have so little information that this farce of a cliffhanger feels like a quirk of Oda wanting to place silhouettes at all costs, rather than an actual element of storytelling. I would honestly have been fine with a couple more panels of partying and an "onwards to Elbaph" narrator box concluding the chapter.
Also a bad note, Zoro's heartless comment was especially bad. Delivering stoic one-liners is one thing, but sometimes stoic silent badass is an improvement. I'm with whoever wrote in the spoiler thread that he should rather have kept his mouth shut.
Zoro seems to be one who assumes how people are feeling instead of actually taking the time to understand how they’re actually feeling.
If Luffy was moping days after Elbaf, then his comment would be more fitting, but this is literally right after.
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Between Borsalino already picking the phone telling Sakazuki to "shut up" and the line about Lilith's hunger going as "Vegapunk cutting greed off his brain", the official translation had some... questionable choices.
Hadn't noticed before that Usopp was tinkering in that panel (with something we can't see). Don't want to get my hopes up, but hopefully this is the first sign of his characterization coming back to him.
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@access-timeco said in Chapter 1124: Close Friend:
Between Borsalino already picking the phone telling Sakazuki to "shut up" and the line about Lilith's hunger going as "Vegapunk cutting greed off his brain", the official translation had some... questionable choices.
Hadn't noticed before that Usopp was tinkering in that panel (with something we can't see). Don't want to get my hopes up, but hopefully this is the first sign of his characterization coming back to him.
I imagine Oda has been saving some standout Usopp moments for Elbaf, because Wano and Egghead didn’t really have that many.
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@Goukan said in Chapter 1124: Close Friend:
Yeah, Zoro's callousness doesn't get better with Stephen's translation. Congrats to all Zoro fans who just want him to be the edgiest of all edges.
That was stupid by Zoro specially from someone who spent most of the battle having trouble with a CP0 agent while Luffy and Sanji we’re fighting The Elders, an admiral and the entire Marine armada. He didn’t even finish off the agent.
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@access-timeco said in Chapter 1124: Close Friend:
Hadn't noticed before that Usopp was tinkering in that panel (with something we can't see). Don't want to get my hopes up, but hopefully this is the first sign of his characterization coming back to him.
If he didn’t keep at least one of the bubble guns, he failed terribly at his job.
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The admirals having actual conversations is very nice and humanizing. But Vegapunk and him being so close feels a little out of the blue. I would've prefered it if he was talking about axe guy, since their relationship had some IRL years on it.
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I'm feeling like these last few chapters are trying to fill in details, but it seems like we still have a long way to go. The Strawhats have one Vegapunk who will do who knows what, the world knows about the One Piece, and Elbaf is coming. There seems like there has a be a ton of aftermath from this arc, but the last two chapters only covered Vegapunk's death plan and Kizaru's sorrow. Sure, we need these, but we need to touch on Kuma and Bonney, the Giants and maybe Shanks, the fate of Law and Kidd, or maybe the reactions of however many character saw this new knowledge. I have to wonder how these chapters will pace themselves.
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@Goukan said in Chapter 1124: Close Friend:
Yeah, Zoro's callousness doesn't get better with Stephen's translation. Congrats to all Zoro fans who just want him to be the edgiest of all edges.
Yeah I think it would've been better for Oda just to have a "....." panel.
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So all the Vegapunk’s are alive? Like there connected in lilith’s head? Like WiFi or something?
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Ooooooooohhhh, wait a second! Zoro wasn't AROUND to hear Luffy's promise to get Vegapunk off the island. So I don't think Zoro knows! So to him, it does just seem like some old dude who they had no obligations to died, so why should they be that beat-up about it. I think. I can't be bothered to go back and check through all those chapters.
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Carmel was able to pull off the trick and get Giants into the Marines and sell children to the WG. Then the Dorry/Brogy duel.
I wonder if Elbaf has multiple longstanding battles among their royalty that last just as long or longer. So called War Land. That and outsiders taking advantage and being in the royalty's ear. Makes me question if silhouette guy is someone who has been around Elbaf or just awaiting the crew.
In Wano's situation, it was Higurashi being in Kaido's ear. On the surface, it is easy to assume that it might just be Giants part of whatever possible conflict the crew come across. Giants have been shown to be a commodity via the WG valuing them, BM, and scientist chasing Gigantification. I would snoop around too in an attempt to use just 1 Giant. Especially a royal. As opposed to another Giant, can another schemer being using the Giants against the crew? Possible Usopp enemy?
Akainu was cautious of Wano and they were unaffiliated. Wano kept to itself and Gorosei were worried about borders opening. What is Elbaf's take on the world as it is now? Do they do business with the outside world? Do they have a resource like Wano has Kairoseki? Why are they unaffiliated? What is Oda trying to say with Ancient Giants and the other "mixed" races of Giants. Are the Elbaf royals in the race for the OP like the pirates?
Shimotsuki had their reason for leaving. Why did Jarul and Jorul initially set out? Saul is another interesting one. He was a Vice Admiral, but also referred to as the captain of the New Giant Pirates.
In fiction, Giants are usually gullible to an extent. They are a schemer's dream. Usopp plays so well because his lying, but his nature is more kindly and he admires them. That will be a test for Oda on the writing side of this. If some or many are gullible, there has to be a limit to not make them appear idiotic or too abused. The Tontatta even had their limits. For a while, i've felt he's purposely shown the Giants as really tough/enduring with the Gorosei being the latest example. Another old callback that can be used is the slave auction prices where the male is 5 times the cost of a female giant. He played with that early on where Zoro couldn't beat Kuina and her father put the seed in her head that when she got older, Zoro would just be stronger because he is a man.
I still have this vision of Kid and his crew dressed like those at the Elbaf bar or at Saul's spot cleaning up and going through their own personal development.
Then there is the fact that Shanks is cool with some of the Giants. Can there really be such of a problem if big bad Shanks goes in and out. Or is he just friends with the common folk and keeps his nose out of the Royals affairs? There was WB with Wano. He befriended Oden w/o touching their internal issues, but also wanted to stay out knowing Kaido was there.
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@Shiebs
Yeah the question I had after the chapter too.
Lilith certainly made it seem that way, so maybe we will know more in a few chapters, but it would kinda suck if she, Lilith, would know everything VP knows, unless Lilith won't be part of the crew for long. -
@Cockycent said in Chapter 1124: Close Friend:
Saul is another interesting one. He was a Vice Admiral, but also referred to as the captain of the New Giant Pirates.
Not sure if I missed something, but I think you are confusing with Hajrudin, he is the captain of the New Giant Pirates. Saul isn't even from Elbaf, he was born in the South Blue, so either his parents left Elbaf or there other giant tribes or families living outside of Elbaf.
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@The-Light-of-Shandora Hajrudin and Road were collecting the books at Ohara in the 1 panel and Hajrudin did not have bandages in 1066.
Dragon said their captain was a strange man all covered in bandages. The only one that we know of with that description is Saul.
Their captain told Dragon - "Ohara gave their lives to save this asset of humanity. We can't let it be erased from history".
2 pages later, the Giant with bandages that looks almost exactly like Saul allowed VP to read the books they rescued.
Robin asked specifically if the "Giant Captain" was Saul and Shaka refused to answer.
We later see Saul laughing during VP's message in 1114 as VP talks about deciphering PGs.
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@Seafarer33 said in Chapter 1124: Close Friend:
Translation had its up and downs. The wording of Vivi and Morgan's argument felt convoluted compared to the natural angry flow of TCB; however, the part with Lilith leaves room to suggest that she also gave them the long version before what we hear, which makes the shocked Straw Hat faces feel more natural.
Lol. The translation in english and german is more or less the same. TCB simplified it quite a lot. No musical metaphor and no mention of "hope" in TCB. It seems people do forget who is translating One Piece in english for a couple of years
For some weird reasons I liked how Oda built the bridge from sad to a cheerful mood by usins Luffy s quirk. In that contrast it also let Kizaru as a person shine.
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Egghead lingers on for one last coda, but it's worth staying for, closing those last few emotional openings that we'd all been wondering about. But there's kind of not a lot to say about it. The things that happen pay off the arc's buildup in ways that make sense, and they all work well in those functions. To try and overanalyse what makes them work would just sound like 'this is a good ending because it follows up on this, this and this happening earlier,' and at that point I'm just recapping the arc. But we don't need to go too deep to know this is a good chapter. It just has to be read for the feeling that it works to come across.
The Vivi and Morgans dynamic has proved unexpectedly fun since they got paired up, although I don't think Wapol contributes quite as much to it. Morgans is still such an enjoyable character on the whole, chasing only the money, whether that means defying the Government to tell the truth, or defying the truth to put a dramatic spin. His attitude toward the world sinking is the ultimate show of how it's all about him. Big fan of Vivi's 'don't expect to live through it anyway' attitude here. That's a girl with nothing left to lose. It makes me very excited to see what her role is going to be in the upcoming arcs and the series' finale.
I'm happy to see Sentomaru making it out, even if it's rough how left in the lurch the guy must be now. Too bad for him he couldn't make it to the giants' ship. But if Sentomaru is escaping alone, what will come of Stussy and (maybe) Edison? I'm still betting on a cover story.
Borsalino's breakdown absolutely steals the show this week. It hits home the subtext that's been building through the arc to make him a much more nuanced figure than I think anyone would have guessed from his introduction at Sabaody. Maybe more surprising is Sakazuki's acknowledgement of his own insensitivity. Makes you wonder what kind of conversation went down between him and Garp post-Marineford...
It's good seeing the crew acknowledge their failure to save Vegapunk and process it in different ways. Even with a way to soften the blow and move on almost immediately, there's good characterisation in Zoro's harshness, Franky and Jinbei's rationalising, and Luffy's despondentness. On the pick-up, I speculated last week that the links between Vegapunks would be a justification - they clearly share the stella's memories from before their creation. Lilith is obviously taking on traits and functions from the fallen satellites, but it's not clear how much of their minds and memories are coming with that data. And how is it being transferred with the connection to Punk Hazard severed? Hopefully she stays in the limelight through Elbaf so we can see the actual capacity at which the others are alive through her.
I'm a big fan of the art showing how small everyone is compared to giant furniture as well. That makes me excited for the Elbaf setting.
The last party scene makes for a beautiful spread, especially finally seeing Jinbei as a part of one of these. The new outfits so soon is an interesting touch as well. Are these the Elbaf fits, or will we get new, viking-inspired ones after making landfall?
And the final stinger might just be the guy drinking with Crocus from that one cover story! I've waited so long, please don't let it be a fakeout. What's with the 'war-land' epithet and ominous rumble on the Elbaf establishing shot though? Not sure we've seen those before. A somewhat ominous lead-in to the new adventure.
The short pagecount and another break are definitely unfortunate, but with a new island on the horizon, I'm more excited than upset. Oda's obviously been waiting to draw this one for a very long time, so I'm keep to see what he's got in store.
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@shadyagent I should have been more specific. Morgans' tirade is no issue, I did note and appreciate the metaphor. And I do know who has been translating all these years, thankyouverymuch. Still, Vivi's first reply sounds a little ...clumsy ?
"Did I say something to offend you, you falsehood-amplifying albatross ? The intelligent people of the world..."
I'm not a native english speaker, maybe that explains, but it didn't ring like the familiar langage someone angry often reverts to. The french (and bootleg) version seemed more natural in that respect. Maybe Stephen wants her to speak like educated royalty and kept it polite for that purpose, I don't know.
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@Seafarer33 said in Chapter 1124: Close Friend:
@shadyagent I should have been more specific. Morgans' tirade is no issue, I did note and appreciate the metaphor. And I do know who has been translating all these years, thankyouverymuch. Still, Vivi's first reply sounds a little ...clumsy ?
"Did I say something to offend you, you falsehood-amplifying albatross ? The intelligent people of the world..."
I'm not a native english speaker, maybe that explains, but it didn't ring like the familiar langage someone angry often reverts to. The french (and bootleg) version seemed more natural in that respect. Maybe Stephen wants her to speak like educated royalty and kept it polite for that purpose, I don't know. >
It is not my mother tongue either
In german it is translated as ".... you lying megaphone-bird" to probably underline that she is trying to make a point that he is spreading and reinforcing lies. In the TCB version he is only colored as a "overgrown squawking liar". Long story short, I see your point but I guess it is about the nuances and the "official translators" are putting emphasis on it -
@Seafarer33 I feel official translations are sometimes clunky because they try to not lose nuances from the japanese language because of Oda's tendencies of hiding mysteries behind words.
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So what happened to Vegapunk's devil fruit if he's dead now?
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Now that, is a good question. Did anything happen at all, in fact ? Based on this chapter the main body is "technically" dead, yet the brain apparently lives on and until proven otherwise so do Lilith, York and the other Vegapunk consciousnesses. At which point is a person dead enough for its Devil Fruit to reincarnate somewhere else in the world ? I have no idea and I'd love to see Oda give an answer to that in a SBS.
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@Seafarer33 we will more likely get an answer in-story, just not now because Oda loves to let mysteries last as long as possible.
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@electricmastro As long as the brain is alive in that jar, Vegapunk is technically alive and his DF doesn't go anywhere.
It was just the Stella + various satellites that got killed, they can theoretically be rebuilt again and reconnected with Punk Records
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@Rean said in Chapter 1124: Close Friend:
@electricmastro As long as the brain is alive in that jar, Vegapunk is technically alive and his DF doesn't go anywhere.
It was just the Stella + various satellites that got killed, they can theoretically be rebuilt again and reconnected with Punk Records
I'm feeling like this is the answer, and that we should take Lilith's words pretty literally. Vegapunk died a awhile ago, but thanks to his technology he's still technically alive and his devil fruit reflects that.
It's also a bit convenient, because with all Vegapunk could accomplish with his devil fruit, I imagine the World Government would really want to find it again should it end up in circulation. It's clearly a very powerful non-combat fruit, so much so that the WG should stay concerned about it.
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@onemoment said in Chapter 1124: Close Friend:
It's clearly a very powerful non-combat fruit, so much so that the WG should stay concerned about it.
I would nuance with the notion a brand new Brain-brain fruit is only powerful in the long term (the user first needs to gather all that knowledge) and if put in the right
handshead. Big Brain Zoro, for instance ? That guy has no interest in anything other than swords, the fruit wouldn't suddenly make him a scientific genius. -
@Seafarer33 said in Chapter 1124: Close Friend:
@onemoment said in Chapter 1124: Close Friend:
It's clearly a very powerful non-combat fruit, so much so that the WG should stay concerned about it.
I would nuance with the notion a brand new Brain-brain fruit is only powerful in the long term (the user first needs to gather all that knowledge) and if put in the right
handshead. Big Brain Zoro, for instance ? That guy has no interest in anything other than swords, the fruit wouldn't suddenly make him a scientific genius.This is true, but I imagine that the World Elders being immortal would fear for the long term the most. I associated the World Government with the Elders, so I forgot to mention that.
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Elbaf is being heavily pointed as the immediate next destination. Buuut if there’s a good place to meet the men with burn scars it would be in the ocean, between islands. It could also be the adventure after Elbaf.
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@Chams-0 said in Chapter 1124: Close Friend:
Elbaf is being heavily pointed as the immediate next destination. Buuut if there’s a good place to meet the men with burn scars it would be in the ocean, between islands. It could also be the adventure after Elbaf.
I get the suspicion Oda might throw a curveball here. Wouldn't be the first time. lol
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got high hopes next chapter we'll get far away from the SH crew
you know between arcs it's time for spicy chapters where you don't see chopper, usopp and the rest of the clowns
that means we'll have world building, lore drops ( most likely WG related ) and plenty of surprises. last time it did not disappoint.
I'm very very excited for the upcoming releases. ( spt & oct ) let's go baby there is no trash ahead of our way.
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Chapter between islands are reserved to showing the events going on at the world, catching up with old characters. The big thing here is that this all happened inside Egghead’s arc now. What’s the point of seeing the reactions of the world if we just saw that in relation to the transmission? Egghead had a huge intermission showing Sabo, Cross Guild and Koby’s rescue, stuff that usually would go between arcs. I wouldn’t be surprised if we go straight to Elbaf now, maybe some reactions from the Elders or Saturn’s return.
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Maybe the people who are left to act, so Dragon finally doing something besides standing around and doubting Sabo or he is the one to go after Blackbeard, we know that Blackbeard went after him so maybe its time for payback, especially cause they have either a living Garp or the corpse of him. Depending on their relationship that would be something cool to see.
Caribu could have his audience with Teach, maybe the Grandfleet reacting to it, all besides Hajrudin, cause he will welcome the crew at Elbaf.
But I do agree, we had soooo many intermission in the Egghead arc, that I doubt we will get more than 1 or 2 chapters away from the crew.
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How much does AKAINU know about the Gorosei and the celestial dragons and how much does he align with them?.
Garp knows they are bad people and want very little to do with them although we really don’t know to what extent Garp has followed or dismissed orders coming from them.
Kuzan might have been in the same boat as Garp but we saw Kuzan in Ohara doing their bidding.
We also have Fujitora who seems to be like Garp and Kuzan and then we have Aramaki who is definitely not like them. I don’t think Aramaki is like AKAINU either even though he admires him. He seems to be like a crazed Rob Lucci, very Aligned with the celestial dragons in whatever they want. I doubt that AKAINU even if he is ok with the Gorosei atrocities is such a follower and willing Pawn like Aramaki.
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would Oda have the guts to show us the Garp's aftermath ? absolutely no
however it's time for us to know a lot more about the divine knights and many other playing parties.
it's time to get out of this disgusting narrow perspective of the crew. we have tons of questions unanswered because we're constantly constrained to watch those clowns.
I need at least 4-6 chapters for recuperation.
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@Chams-0 said in Chapter 1124: Close Friend:
Chapter between islands are reserved to showing the events going on at the world, catching up with old characters. The big thing here is that this all happened inside Egghead’s arc now. What’s the point of seeing the reactions of the world if we just saw that in relation to the transmission? Egghead had a huge intermission showing Sabo, Cross Guild and Koby’s rescue, stuff that usually would go between arcs. I wouldn’t be surprised if we go straight to Elbaf now, maybe some reactions from the Elders or Saturn’s return.
Oda prob has moved on from the old format of saving worldly things for the newspapers and flashbacks in between arcs. There’s simply too much going on for that to be enough anymore.
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Exactly! Also, very unusual to have the characters from the next arc pick them up and take them to the island.
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@hideoushorrendous said in Chapter 1124: Close Friend:
would Oda have the guts to show us the Garp's aftermath ? absolutely no
however it's time for us to know a lot more about the divine knights and many other playing parties.
it's time to get out of this disgusting narrow perspective of the crew. we have tons of questions unanswered because we're constantly constrained to watch those clowns.
I need at least 4-6 chapters for recuperation.
Oda barely focus on the Strawhats anymore beside Luffy and Zoro. I'm surprised you need recuperation.
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I'm surprised anybody could enjoy reading One Piece while apparently completely hating the main characters lol
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@Chams-0 said in Chapter 1124: Close Friend:
Elbaf is being heavily pointed as the immediate next destination. Buuut if there’s a good place to meet the men with burn scars it would be in the ocean, between islands. It could also be the adventure after Elbaf.
I get this but one thing I like about One Piece is that the crew's journey has always been agentic, luck never determined the next step towards the One Piece. Stumbling upon the man with the fourth poneglyph randomly here in open sea would be extremely weird.
An alternative is that this man was waiting to give it to Luffy and now he knows where Luffy is thanks to the Egghead incident, which would make me extremely angry at Oda but would at least make sense.
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